| Because the japan views it as a joke. Simple |
Klad said: Because the japan views it as a joke. Simple ^ And the fact that being gay is not really accepted as well there either. |
| There are no gay people in Japan. And SSY has nothing to do with homosexuality per se, And honestly the depiction of gay people outside of Yaoi is much more realistic and friendly than in the realm of Yaoi. It may be used more jokingly but at least gay people aren't all rapists that go after straight people because they know that they are going to turn gay as soon as they rape them. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Yeah unfortunately, from the perspective of anime being gay is a joking matter. You can contrast American culture(making a gay couple almost required at this point in most shows), to japan where it can be treated as a joke Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
ArdanazApr 30, 2016 3:16 PM
| I started rereading Dragon Ball and... hmmm. The only reason for Blue to be gay is to cement him as an awful villain who deserves the homophobic insults protagonists are throwing at him... Tho we have Utena and Kill la Kill. |
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| I'm pretty sure Sailor Moon had some of that classy lesbian stuff...like Blue is the Warmest Colour (no idea why I'm referencing a French movie based off a comic book on MAL, nobody will get it) FrozenWhiskers said: RLinksoul said: It's not just in anime. Unless it's used as a joke, homosexuality is almost non-existent in western media. We're still a long way from people accepting the idea. thats not true, a lot of popular cartoons today have LGTB couples and characters: Clarence, Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Avatar legend of Korra... This. Also Patty Bouvier and Smithers from The Simpsons, Willow from Buffy the Vampire Slayer and C3P0 from Star Wars. And they've all been around a long time, since before a lot of people on MAL were even born. |
Bobby2HandsApr 29, 2016 9:40 AM
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| Well maybe that's because the country isn't full of butthurt SJWs and know how to take a joke.. wut?how? |
| Why is being gay always a joke in anime? Cause it funny? I mean, is there a male character who is gay and their sexual orientation is not just for the lolz? Yes, buy I dont remember them. In Shinsekai Yori, they are not really homo. |
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GesuYarou said: Well maybe that's because the country isn't full of butthurt SJWs and know how to take a joke.. wut?how? ... Oh wait, we're only talking about male homosexuality. Okay okay, then I'll mention NGE. |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
| i dont think japanese culture has much to do with it , i mean there's some japanese movies about lesbian and gays ( ihave never watched anyof this movies so cant tell how they reprenst this issue ) . I also found out that there is two girls who already married in japan ( real life ) . So perhabs its just jokes and no need to take it for real . You damn faggot |
| "This is my father's crime against me, which I myself committed against none" Al-ma'arri |
Clebardman said: GesuYarou said: Well maybe that's because the country isn't full of butthurt SJWs and know how to take a joke.. wut?how? ... Oh wait, we're only talking about male homosexuality. Okay okay, then I'll mention NGE. Still just as confused.. |
| The Japanese are backwards when it comes to some things. I mean, the majority are still xenophobic so it comes as no surprise that they have not fully warmed up to the idea of non binary genders - they're the representation of American ideologies back in the 1980's (they're far better off though from what I've read.) But it's all light hearted so I'm sure the lgbt community do not aggressively dislike it. Even if they do they can't change 40 years of anime cliches in one night. I can't pretend I haven't laughed at one or two of those. I don't brood over it as though I've done something wrong though haha. Anyway, the Japanese are alright. I've been through a couple forums and youtube videos and they've mentioned that they didn't have much of an opinion on the subject and that if a friend came out they'd b ejust slightly surprised but not to the extent of abandonment. Back in the Edo period people didn't really give a damn about all this extra dynamic (gender and all) , you just needed to have good qualities to be well liked. Foreign influence changed that, and since foreign principles are always changing it's hard to keep up. So I do not criticize the Japanese. |
AhoGamiApr 29, 2016 9:57 AM
| Its so sad for the poor Wolfram from Kyou kara Maou! , he loves so much Yuuri. Yup in the most animes its a joke, but i rlly prefer shoujo ai like Love Lab or Sakura Trick.There are no jokes in the characters"s relationships! :D |
| > Why is being gay always a joke in anime? Basically, because Japan is an outdated country in a lot of ways. * When a resident rich girl lives in a house that looks like it was outdated and unfashionable old and venerable in sengoku jidai, nobody bats an eyelid. (well, maybe I find it weird because most of my town was razed to the ground in WW2, and all the stuff we have is newer) * They still have arranged marriages (but at least young people understand they are horribly outdated) * Women become housewives when they get married. ...and many other things. Including inability to properly deal with homosexuality. |
GesuYarou said: Well maybe that's because the country isn't full of butthurt SJWs and know how to take a joke.. Our existence is defined as a joke. Gay people's sexuality seems to ONLY be in anime as a joking matter, something to laugh at. Yaoi/yuri is just there to fill fetishes I wouldn't normally have a problem with these two things but that's all that LGBT seems to be in Japan, one giant thing to laugh at. If you're gay, it's for comedic value or you want to rape/be raped. It's a sickening way to represent sexualities that in no way shape or form what that to be their defining factor. |
GesuYarou said: Clebardman said: ... Oh wait, we're only talking about male homosexuality. Okay okay, then I'll mention NGE. Still just as confused.. I don't think it's exactly a spoiler and you saw it...  Okay, the characters aren't exactly gay, but the anime is still tackling male homosexuality (and human relationships as a whole) with more maturity than most anime. I'm sure there's a bunch of other non-yaoi/yuri anime treating that subject seriously. But just like incest, you gotta dig a bit to find them. |
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| Because they can't make a good funny scene so they make some cheap disgusting scenes like boobs grape pantie shots / characters act gay, stupidly some people found it funny |
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Basically, near the end of NGE, Shinji (the main character) meets Kaworu, another boy, and they get along well (which isn't hard, because Kaworu is not as crazy as other people around Shinji). Many people see them as lovers, not friends. |
| I know of one manga that actually has a trans character and she is a total badass. They only made one "joke" about her being trans but apart from that it's not really played upon much which I love. The mangaka hasn't used her as a joke or anything of the sort but instead she is a total badass and has been a vital asset in certain situations. The manga is Imawa no Kuni no Alice. It's probably one of my fav manga (not because of the trans women but because it is a badass manga in general.) I wish the anime had more than four episodes and introduced her, she is such a badass character. I would have loved to have seen her animated. |
| Same reason we joke about it in the west. That doesn't mean it's always funny, of course. Clebardman said: I started rereading Dragon Ball and... hmmm. The only reason for Blue to be gay is to cement him as an awful villain who deserves the homophobic insults protagonists are throwing at him... LOL is that actually true? xD |
AltoRoarkApr 29, 2016 9:54 AM
Temmie said: GesuYarou said: Well maybe that's because the country isn't full of butthurt SJWs and know how to take a joke.. Our existence is defined as a joke. Gay people's sexuality seems to ONLY be in anime as a joking matter, something to laugh at. Yaoi/yuri is just there to fill fetishes I wouldn't normally have a problem with these two things but that's all that LGBT seems to be in Japan, one giant thing to laugh at. If you're gay, it's for comedic value or you want to rape/be raped. It's a sickening way to represent sexualities that in no way shape or form what that to be their defining factor. I haven't really come across any gay jokes involving rape but I have actually seen some serious yaoi/yuri relationships in anime. I don't really mind all the gay jokes (at least as long as they don't involve rape) when they have so many serious representations of homosexual relationships as well.. But what do I know? At only 57 completed shows I probably don't know a whole lot about how the LGBT community is represented in anime.. flannan said: Basically, near the end of NGE, Shinji (the main character) meets Kaworu, another boy, and they get along well (which isn't hard, because Kaworu is not as crazy as other people around Shinji). Many people see them as lovers, not friends. didn't read |
RLinksoul said: FrozenWhiskers said: thats not true, a lot of popular cartoons today have LGTB couples and characters: Clarence, Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Avatar legend of Korra... But in most of those examples it's just subtext. That's the best they can do right now. Adventure Time for example was threatened with cancellation if they made Princess Bubblegum and Marceline a confirmed, canon couple. So instead they weave around it as best as they can without outright confirming it. As well as the fact that Steven Universe have good portions about it censored in any country that picks it up But the thing is, the thing I don't think -most- people don't get, is that this is a beginning. We have LGBT representation in TV shows, in cartoons, in movies, in media. Anywhere you look now you could find something. The movement in America is amazing in some parts(of course, there are people who are too radical and then the mass amount of homophobic people), but I feel like this is progress and in decades to come it's only going to become more and more common. Steven Universe is a groundbreaking show in itself, and I feel that in the future we'll have more and more shows that are just as open minded as it. And hopefully, Japan may start to catch on too. |
RLinksoul said: Adventure Time for example was threatened with cancellation if they made Princess Bubblegum and Marceline a confirmed, canon couple. So instead they weave around it as best as they can without outright confirming it. How did whomever made this threat get away with it? Shouldn't he/she be thrown to prison or sued to poverty? |
| It actually is weird given Japanese history. They used to be much more open about homosexuality until the Meiji restauration. I don't know why that changed. But at least people there are not butthurt when they make jokes about it. |
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GesuYarou said: Temmie said: Our existence is defined as a joke. Gay people's sexuality seems to ONLY be in anime as a joking matter, something to laugh at. Yaoi/yuri is just there to fill fetishes I wouldn't normally have a problem with these two things but that's all that LGBT seems to be in Japan, one giant thing to laugh at. If you're gay, it's for comedic value or you want to rape/be raped. It's a sickening way to represent sexualities that in no way shape or form what that to be their defining factor. I haven't really come across any gay jokes involving rape but I have actually seen some serious yaoi/yuri relationships in anime. I don't really mind all the gay jokes (at least as long as they don't involve rape) when they have so many serious representations of homosexual relationships as well.. But what do I know? At only 57 completed shows I probably don't know a whole lot about how the LGBT community is represented in anime.. Notice how I put an "or" between comedic value and rape/be raped. I've never seen gay rape jokes, I'm talking about how we're either interpreted as 1. a joke or 2. yaoi rape doujins. Like I said. 1 is fine. I'm fine with joking around. Sexual orientation can be a funny thing, but I feel that it's the only recognition LGBT will ever actually receive in anime. Sure there's -a show- here or there, but they're far too rare to be counted. What I'm preaching here is that people are not represented, and anytime they ever pop up it's never even close to correct. |
| @GesuYarou Erf sorry mate, I never check people's list because of fucking templates that takes ages to load, I just took a look at our shared anime and saw you rated NGE, so I thought you had seen it Oo. Don't read a single line of what I said. And dun rate shows before finishing them for your own good (and for my bandwidth's sake) |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
Rojo said: I know of one manga that actually has a trans character and she is a total badass. Rakudai did a good job with Alice, I think. (I think the right way to describe Alice is "pre-op male-to-female transsexual") Well, as far as I can tell, because I've never met a transsexual person in my life. GesuYarou said: I haven't really come across any gay jokes involving rape but I have actually seen some serious yaoi/yuri relationships in anime. I don't really mind all the gay jokes (at least as long as they don't involve rape) when they have so many serious representations of homosexual relationships as well.. These are different situations: 1) In mainstream anime, there sometimes exists an annoying "comic relief" character who is homosexual. I remember that guy from Saber Marionette J was quite annoying. 2) In yaoi, a common plot is seme raping uke (who had no homosexual tendencies before that) until uke starts liking him. Which isn't that different from straight rape hentai, except that it apparently changes uke's sexual orientation. |
RLinksoul said: It's not just in anime. Unless it's used as a joke, homosexuality is almost non-existent in western media. We're still a long way from people accepting the idea. People throw a fit because a Disney show had a lesbian couple and started sending death threats to a toddler on said show. Some Disney fans make the deranged kind of idol fans seem alright |
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flannan said: Rojo said: I know of one manga that actually has a trans character and she is a total badass. Rakudai did a good job with Alice, I think. (I think the right way to describe Alice is "pre-op male-to-female transsexual") Well, as far as I can tell, because I've never met a transsexual person in my life. Wait who is Rakudai? Are we talking about two different manga lol? |
Rojo said: flannan said: Rakudai did a good job with Alice, I think. (I think the right way to describe Alice is "pre-op male-to-female transsexual") Well, as far as I can tell, because I've never met a transsexual person in my life. Wait who is Rakudai? Are we talking about two different manga lol? Rakudai is anime called "Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry". It's not the same work as the one you were talking about. http://myanimelist.net/anime/30296/Rakudai_Kishi_no_Cavalry |
Temmie said: GesuYarou said: I haven't really come across any gay jokes involving rape but I have actually seen some serious yaoi/yuri relationships in anime. I don't really mind all the gay jokes (at least as long as they don't involve rape) when they have so many serious representations of homosexual relationships as well.. But what do I know? At only 57 completed shows I probably don't know a whole lot about how the LGBT community is represented in anime.. Notice how I put an "or" between comedic value and rape/be raped. I've never seen gay rape jokes, I'm talking about how we're either interpreted as 1. a joke or 2. yaoi rape doujins. Like I said. 1 is fine. I'm fine with joking around. Sexual orientation can be a funny thing, but I feel that it's the only recognition LGBT will ever actually receive in anime. Sure there's -a show- here or there, but they're far too rare to be counted. What I'm preaching here is that people are not represented, and anytime they ever pop up it's never even close to correct. Oh, yeah.. Probably missed the 'or'. Well tbf that rape stuff is just something that the target audience is supposed to get off to. I think over here the thing is that there aren't a whole lot of gay people irl in the first place right? I mean I know that there are a lot but compared to the overwhelming heterosexual majority, the LGBT are only about a fraction of that population. So it's no wonder that legit gay people are under-represented. Also my educated guess is that the writers who make gay jokes probably have never really known a gay person at a personal level. They might have seen a gay person and found them funny, hence they never really considered discovering those kind of people anywhere beyond that.. Clebardman said: @GesuYarou Erf sorry mate, I never check people's list because of fucking templates that takes ages to load, I just took a look at our shared anime and saw you rated NGE, so I thought you had seen it Oo. Don't read a single line of what I said. And dun rate shows before finishing them for your own good (and for my bandwidth's sake) Too late. I'm currently on my way to the nearest bridge. Also I used to refrain from rating shows before I finished them but I found it to be redundant so I made up a 60% rule.. |
flannan said: Rakudai is anime called "Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry". It's not the same work as the one you were talking about. http://myanimelist.net/anime/30296/Rakudai_Kishi_no_Cavalry Oooh right ahah. I got slightly confused there aha.~ |
| Maybe they joke about being heterosexual too u just don't notice it because it seems so normal. There are no heterosexual jokes as those are just called "jokes" but if its about homosexuals then its a "gay joke" not a "joke". Ppl think they're being targeted when they just don't notice that norms are joked about too. |
| Just my perspective: The authors of all kinds of anime, joke on everything. I don't really see the harm in it. Its not like their purposely trying to offend people, or targeting a specific group. They're entertainers, if people get butt hurt about stuff like that in anime. Might as well not watch the shows. It's not like they only do gay jokes, they do all kinds. Haha. |
| Off the top of my head Akise Aru from Mirai Nikki and Itsuki/Gatekeeper from Yu Yu Hakusho. Ryu from Shaman King...is a weird example. He's bi...but whenever he hits on anyone it's played for laughs. Actually most of everything he does is for laughs. |
GesuYarou said: Also my educated guess is that the writers who make gay jokes probably have never really known a gay person at a personal level. They might have seen a gay person and found them funny, hence they never really considered discovering those kind of people anywhere beyond that.. Yap, this I think. Also yes, in Shinsekai Yori, the characters are openly bisexual because their society is totally open with the matter. I think that in no. 6 the characters are canonally gay, and their relationship is sweet. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. So it's like low-key homophobia. Plus I don't see why it would be ok for girls, but not for guys. @Temmie I love your talk on Steven Universe huhu. One of my favourite shows. |
ArdanazApr 30, 2016 3:12 PM
| Don't they joke about hetero stuff too? If that isn't a problem, I don't think jokes about homosexuality should be a big deal. Or would you rather have homosexuality get some kind of special treatment where certain kind of jokes can't be made! At the end of the day, they're jokes and they're not trying to push any kind of agenda. There shouldn't be any topic that is off the table when it comes to comedy. Whether it is done right or wrong is in the eyes of the viewer and opinion varies. |
Something witty that makes you think I'm funny Defeating a sandwich only makes it tastier |
| @ilovewendy16 But it's not about you, it's about them and their life choices, nah? Why feel affected by something that doesn't involve you? |
| Isn't it better than avoiding them like a plague? At least it shows that the author find them interesting and didn't mind that much about their existence. |
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| If you count manga adaptations, Sailor Moon's Haruka has not a comic relief role. I may over interpret Subaru's view on Seishirô in Tôkyô Babylon / X but I always saw it like this. And their story isn't what I would call "funny". And there are the works who include reincarnations where you get somewhere during the story or at the end serious relationships between two people with one being reincarnated from the same sex as the other. @Clebardman It was worth it just for Bulmas's look when she tries to surprise him. (plus, it might have been a play with a certain army, Blue being blond with blue eyes) The worst homosexual representation in DB is certainly Otokosuki. (great name by the way) |
Rei_IIIApr 29, 2016 1:12 PM
| That's a really good question. It is sad to see these characters used as a joke or comedic relief but atleast there are some writers that you can rely on not to shit all over those characters. It might get better in a few years. Edit: Good examples would include Psycho Pass, Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica, Shinsekai Yori, Tanaka-kun, Devilman Lady, Utena & Diebuster (for the yuri). |
MeleApr 29, 2016 1:13 PM
idk why I was here but I'm prob back to playing Hunt: Showdown 1896 again when you read this |
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