CookingPriest said: > implying that rape in narrative is a problem and should not be written about > implying that the author intends you to agree with the decisions of the protagonists, despite Tsukihime protagonist being intentionally written in a way as to make you afraid and uncomfortable. > implying that any of Nasuverse protagonists are meant to be "like the reader" or are made for a reader to relate to. Sexual themes have always bee intertwined with both supernatural and criminal fiction. And Nasuverse is mix of both. Implying I implied any of those things :P As I've said, I have no problem with rape in a narrative. What I do have a problem with, is the overuse of it as a writing device. If every time a person was tortured or threatened with torture they were tortured the same way (there are exceptions oc but this isn't one of them), I would be just as annoyed. I'll give you that Tsukihime is a slightly different situation, as I've mentioned. |
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| if it bothers you then just stop playing porn games |
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Nice catch, I totally forgot about that one. Another one I'd forgotten was that in Stay Night, Rider had rape in her backstory. Ah, also Caster's backstory, love potion stuff. Pretty sure that counts. |
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| it would not be a good porn game without rape would it? |
gabrielrroizApr 18, 2016 10:12 PM
| if its not real..... who gives a shit..... if a creator wants to put rape IN FICTION... why does it matter? why even question it? |
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| >"Abundance" of rape. >Provides 3 examples. No. Kezone said: It is largely agreed that rape is the cheapest way of generating drama and making the audience despise a villain.  |
on Quickly scanning over my post, I put about fifteen examples, under the spoiler tags because it was image heavy, and just now we came up with three more. I find it hard to name a female character-- in Fate, at least-- that wasn't raped or threatened with rape (Illya and Iri??). |
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Kezone said: Quickly scanning over my post, I put about fifteen examples, under the spoiler tags because it was image heavy, and just now we came up with three more. I find it hard to name a female character-- in Fate, at least-- that wasn't raped or threatened with rape (Illya and Iri??). No. You mostly provide threats of rape, sexual assault, and even murder, which wouldn't contribute the alleged abundance of rape in the Nasuverse. Unless you're using an extremely open definition of rape, in which case I'd disagree with you on that. Not to mention that the Nasuverse is a pretty large multimedia franchise, and this is all you can find. Not a very good case, I'd say. |
Mayuka said: Maybe you should stop playing bad games. Lol. Your opinion is now meaningless everywhere you go. SodiumChloride said: Hoppy said: Many of those series are dark like GATE or Btooom, it's not really an issue. GATE ?What part of GATE was dark ? ... Oh yeah.. A-1 pictures censored the hell out of Gate. It makes sense you dont know. Fai said: > implying that rape in narrative is a problem and should not be written about > implying that the author intends you to agree with the decisions of the protagonists, despite Tsukihime protagonist being intentionally written in a way as to make you afraid and uncomfortable. > implying that any of Nasuverse protagonists are meant to be "like the reader" or are made for a reader to relate to. Sexual themes have always bee intertwined with both supernatural and criminal fiction. And Nasuverse is mix of both. Being surprised that nasuverse contains those elements is just as stupid as being surprised dark fantasy fiction like The Black Company or A Song of Ice and Fire contains lots of sex(both consensual and non-consensual) Irrelative said: This may be why Tsukihime is getting a remake. Neutering Shiki's fucked up personality and psychopath tendencies would be the WORST thing to do with Tsukihime. Shiki being a rapist and a murderer is part of his character and psyche. Murder gives him sexual satisfaction and excites him sexually. ITs the defining part of his character. Taking that way would light-novel-ize him even more than even ufo did with Shirou. Nah you're wrong. Rape isn't a defining part of shiki's psychology. It's used as a cheap device to make sex happen or else it wouldn't even exist. The reason it's like this is because he's self-reflexive about the times he "kills" vomitting and everything, but the rape doesn't matter. In fact, you can write out all the h-scenes and the story would make sense, but you can't write out the almost realistic nightmares he has and have it make sense. Those scenes follow him throughout the VN while those rape scenes don't. He just resets back to normal Shiki like nothing happens afterwards. @Kezone Yeah. The nasuverse uses rape and the threat of sexual assault on women a lot. It's because of the trope rape is worse than murder. Someone just getting threatened to kill is actually not as bad as someone threatening to rape. |
Kezone said: Well they are from Greek mythology.Nice catch, I totally forgot about that one. Another one I'd forgotten was that in Stay Night, Rider had rape in her backstory. Ah, also Caster's backstory, love potion stuff. Pretty sure that counts. |
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DJ_Mayo said: did I miss something along the way? anime was trashIrrelative said: This may be why Tsukihime is getting a remake. tsukihime anime never existed u heathen |
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Yes it is. It's used as a cheap device to make sex happen or else it wouldn't even exist. Except tat those analogies and sexual satisfaction happens even when not related to actual sex scenes. And sex scenes being bizarre is justified by the fact that pretty much nobody is sane in the cast. The writing in the actual scenes leaves a lot to be desire, but the very point of them still fits the characterization of how perverted and twisted most of the cast is. The reason it's like this is because he's self-reflexive about the times he "kills" vomitting and everything, but the rape doesn't matter. In fact, you can write out all the h-scenes and the story would make sense, but you can't write out the almost realistic nightmares he has and have it make sense. Dude. He literally compares killing to ejaculating. He is not just "some tortured dude". He is deeply fucked up individual who deep inside enjoys what he does. Removing those flaws and darker aspects of character does even worse job than removing his sociopathy did to Shirou in ufoubw. Those scenes follow him throughout the VN while those rape scenes don't. He just resets back to normal Shiki like nothing happens afterwards. WHICH IS PART OF HIS CHARACTER? Its part of his characterization that makes him such a fucked up person. One moment he might be acting like a complete psychopath, and the next he might greet you like its another day in the office. Its why Shiki's character works. Removing the sexual aspect of his psychopathy would entirely miss the point of his character. Removing it is the same as removing Shirou's sociopath aspects or making Hakuno be motivated and upbeat about everything. The nasuverse uses rape and the threat of sexual assault on women a lot. Fun fact it also uses threat of being murdered, threat of gruesome deaths, threat of fate worse than death and shitload of other INCREDIBLY fucked up things like human furniture. Its a dark dark ark world, even if it is contemporary. But no, let's focus on few instances of "rape". Five or four instances is a lot y'all. Kezone said: Another one I'd forgotten was that in Stay Night, Rider had rape in her backstory. Ah, also Caster's backstory, love potion stuff. Pretty sure that counts. You DID read the greek mythos , right? You know, the same mythology where the key aspect of main god was "oh I just go around stealth-raping women I like to the point that my actual wife hates me". |
AhenshihaelApr 18, 2016 11:36 PM
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| I don't get comparing porn games to a popular anime. Of course one is going to be ridiculed more than the other. ExTamplier said: did I miss something along the way? anime was trash  |
antonn said: Sorry, I am not into circlejerks like youI don't get comparing porn games to a popular anime. Of course one is going to be ridiculed more than the other. ExTamplier said: did I miss something along the way? anime was trash |
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ExTamplier said: antonn said: Sorry, I am not into circlejerks like youI don't get comparing porn games to a popular anime. Of course one is going to be ridiculed more than the other. [img]http://pa1.narvii.com/5917/a653facd83fbdc09fbd44e26597ab56a980eabec_hq.gif[/img Shouldn't knock it until you try it. |
Kezone said: Nice catch, I totally forgot about that one. Another one I'd forgotten was that in Stay Night, Rider had rape in her backstory. Ah, also Caster's backstory, love potion stuff. Pretty sure that counts. To be fair that was part of their respective legends |
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| more rape scenes more fap material fuck my tissue!!!!!!!! nasu is a fuckin pervert.i'll fuck her real bad |
KreedTelos said: Kezone said: Nice catch, I totally forgot about that one. Another one I'd forgotten was that in Stay Night, Rider had rape in her backstory. Ah, also Caster's backstory, love potion stuff. Pretty sure that counts. To be fair that was part of their respective legends Not in Casters case, at least in my books on Greco-roman mythology (it sounded like Nasu threw some stuff stolen from Helen of Troy in there), but there're a lot of variations in versions. I'll back off on Rider tho. |
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| Notice how there is no rape in Mahoutsukai No Yoru? Nasu was an amateurish writer when he started out, so it's obvious he'd stay attached to cheap plot points to make villains more menacing. In Tsukihme and Fate Stay Night it at least stays relevant and ties intriguingly to the plot, with KNK it just feels like denpa |
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