Konosuba: God's Blessing on This Wonderful World! (light novel)
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Feb 24, 2016 10:27 PM
#151
LazyLuong said: That's quite the insightful post azanimefan, I enjoyed reading it =) NP; I probably took the feminist outrage too seriously. Personally I mostly think the "sexism" complaints are more a meme or form of moderate trolling then anything else. They're certainly shallow complaints compared to what a real tried and true feminist would be offended by in anime. Frankly this is a horrible form of entertainment for feminists or christians to find fun watching, as nothing about anime is particularly feminist or christian. Japan lags behind the west BADLY in women's rights, and it bleeds into most of their media, especially anime. The few "true" feminists I know and have known can't even sit through 5 minutes of pretty much any anime before becoming so offended and disgusted they won't watch anymore; so the idea that Konosuba is so unpalatable to feminists while the rest of the series airing this season get a pass strikes me as fake outrage |
azanimefanFeb 24, 2016 10:32 PM
Feb 25, 2016 12:52 AM
#152
AHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHHA Ratohnhaketon said: Someone, please save me from these people who can't take a joke! I'm going to lose my mind. Are you stupid?The whole anime is clearly a subliminal message of sexual discrimination!!Baka! |
Feb 25, 2016 3:48 AM
#153
I don't read the LN but all I can say that there is no one, absolutely no one deserves to be treated more badly than Aqua. — She is extremely rude. She made a mockery of Kazuma's death — She is a prick. She is only ever thinking why she must to be worshiped — She is all talk. She makes life harder for Kazuma when she was supposed to make it easier — She is unbelievably selfish. She only thinks about how to hog all (or majority) of the reward money — She has double standards. She only talks about equal share when there is debt, not to mention she was the reason for it — She lacks self respect. She is arrogant in one second (belittling Kazuma) and desperate in the next (clinging on to Kazuma) This is not about discrimination. This isn't even about abuse. This is well deserved and I like it the way it is. :) |
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Feb 25, 2016 4:55 AM
#154
Feb 25, 2016 7:52 AM
#155
^were all on topic :( @azanimefan I noticed you didn't even take into account the amount of times Aqua saved everyone (they turned evil but is that her fault? why don't blame the system?) and gets shit in return and treated like garbage, there is a clear contradiction and bias there, saving/reviving people = useless/debt So much anger cause he knows it's true. This must be a mistake by the author, a hard working Aqua and they get along? :O My goodness. |
Feb 25, 2016 9:29 AM
#156
Has to be a troll right? I think the only reason I log onto MAL now is for a dose of CherryLover. CherryLover said: Of course we aren't implying that all women who do not support our ideals for equal rights are outcasts. They just haven't understood the importance of feminism yet Seriously, I can't stop laughing. Too fucking good. |
Feb 25, 2016 10:28 AM
#157
ichii_1 said: ^were all on topic :( @azanimefan I noticed you didn't even take into account the amount of times Aqua saved everyone (they turned evil but is that her fault? why don't blame the system?) and gets shit in return and treated like garbage, there is a clear contradiction and bias there, saving/reviving people = useless/debt So much anger cause he knows it's true. This must be a mistake by the author, a hard working Aqua and they get along? :O My goodness. Low luck. Basically everything Aqua do will come back to bite her. All other Gods are sick of her being arrogant jackass so they get rid of her when they get the chance. You can even say that Kazuma choosing her is due to her bad luck. And as everyone said, author self-insert is not Kazuma. The author made both Kazuma and Aqua jackass for fun. Author self-insert is someone from Megumin's clans. The character is an aspiring chuuni writer. Guess what kind of anime is this? Why the fuck you take everything in comedy anime seriously anyway? Triggered because your life is similar to Aqua? Before you spout Aqua is held back by author nonsense again, I will tell you everyone get hold back by something too so shut up. |
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Feb 25, 2016 11:20 AM
#158
azanimefan said: LazyLuong said: That's quite the insightful post azanimefan, I enjoyed reading it =) NP; I probably took the feminist outrage too seriously. Personally I mostly think the "sexism" complaints are more a meme or form of moderate trolling then anything else. They're certainly shallow complaints compared to what a real tried and true feminist would be offended by in anime. Frankly this is a horrible form of entertainment for feminists or christians to find fun watching, as nothing about anime is particularly feminist or christian. Japan lags behind the west BADLY in women's rights, and it bleeds into most of their media, especially anime. The few "true" feminists I know and have known can't even sit through 5 minutes of pretty much any anime before becoming so offended and disgusted they won't watch anymore; so the idea that Konosuba is so unpalatable to feminists while the rest of the series airing this season get a pass strikes me as fake outrage GG, bro. I'm glad someone realized sexism and misogyny exist even when there aren't insults flinging or women being beaten. Sexism can be present even within a "gentlemen." I do, however, believe it's possible for a woman to support sexism and misogyny despite their gender. Not to the benefit of their group as with the creators of other isms, I think. The idea of the male hero always saving the girl and being a gentleman at all times in spite of the nature of the girl can be seen as very sexist. It reduces the heroine to the position of a valuable commodity that needs to be obtained and protected in order for the male hero to assert his moral character. He is always righteous, she is always attracted to him, he is always defined by his deeds, she is always defined by her worth in his eyes, etc. A helpless princess in a castle being saved by a knight in shining armor can be just as "sexist" as a male and female soldier from two warring nations ripping each other apart. I think it's not how the female character is treated but rather how she is treated because she is female. I do believe that sexism and misogyny is a serious problem in all places in the world including Japan and the United States (don't feed me the bullshit about how we're a developed country, tech/resources =/= racial/gender equality). And whether we realize it or not even as a male it can have devastating consequences on us as well, be it you're the son of a single mother who makes less as a woman than as a man, you having to sit through the pain of having a bunch of people asking your girlfriend what she was wearing at the time of said rape or how many drinks she had, or why you weren't with you. And let's not forget all of the societal expectations that force men into a mold of stoicism that restricts them from properly regulation their emotions that don't equate with anger, or dominance. The idea there isn't only superiority and strength and weakness doesn't exist within a "real" man, anything less makes you less than a human being in the eyes of others, including women. Sorry for the rant, I think Konasuba has sexist elements in it not unlike pretty much all works when you think about it, be it costumes, the goals of female characters, the satellite effect among men, or the inevitable nerf of character many seem to get once they fall in love. The blinkered perception some feminist have regarding certain topics doesn't disqualify the movement to it's core, it just shows how comfortable some have gotten with the "conveniences" that are, in fact sexist and fail to realize it. |
QWERTYFish25Feb 25, 2016 11:23 AM
Feb 25, 2016 11:22 AM
#159
azanimefan said: LazyLuong said: That's quite the insightful post azanimefan, I enjoyed reading it =) NP; I probably took the feminist outrage too seriously. Personally I mostly think the "sexism" complaints are more a meme or form of moderate trolling then anything else. They're certainly shallow complaints compared to what a real tried and true feminist would be offended by in anime. Frankly this is a horrible form of entertainment for feminists or christians to find fun watching, as nothing about anime is particularly feminist or christian. Japan lags behind the west BADLY in women's rights, and it bleeds into most of their media, especially anime. The few "true" feminists I know and have known can't even sit through 5 minutes of pretty much any anime before becoming so offended and disgusted they won't watch anymore; so the idea that Konosuba is so unpalatable to feminists while the rest of the series airing this season get a pass strikes me as fake outrage I'd love to hear why you think, for instance, ERASED is so much more sexist than Konosuba (which I don't think is particularly sexist) |
Feb 25, 2016 11:24 AM
#160
asaspades said: azanimefan said: LazyLuong said: That's quite the insightful post azanimefan, I enjoyed reading it =) NP; I probably took the feminist outrage too seriously. Personally I mostly think the "sexism" complaints are more a meme or form of moderate trolling then anything else. They're certainly shallow complaints compared to what a real tried and true feminist would be offended by in anime. Frankly this is a horrible form of entertainment for feminists or christians to find fun watching, as nothing about anime is particularly feminist or christian. Japan lags behind the west BADLY in women's rights, and it bleeds into most of their media, especially anime. The few "true" feminists I know and have known can't even sit through 5 minutes of pretty much any anime before becoming so offended and disgusted they won't watch anymore; so the idea that Konosuba is so unpalatable to feminists while the rest of the series airing this season get a pass strikes me as fake outrage I'd love to hear why you think, for instance, ERASED is so much more sexist than Konosuba (which I don't think is particularly sexist) I haven't watched that, not to slide off-topic but what would be the key sexist things regarding that anime? |
Feb 25, 2016 12:45 PM
#161
azanimefan said: The current demonlord for example is actually an edgelord loser she resurrected into this world, the mobile fortress destroyer which is basically a mobile genocide machine was made by another "cheater" she sent into the world, the Winter shogun, crimson demons, rookie killer, one shot bear, all horrible monsters or weird creations which were brought into being to plague this world by people aqua resurrected, in a way making her a greater menace then the demonlord Could not resist but... I know Aqua's a joke but damn this is just way too much lol, I just spoiled myself for a big laugh later on. Sad that the anime probably wont be covering it till this part, we need more funny anime like this. |
Feb 25, 2016 1:00 PM
#162
QWERTYFish25 said: asaspades said: azanimefan said: LazyLuong said: That's quite the insightful post azanimefan, I enjoyed reading it =) NP; I probably took the feminist outrage too seriously. Personally I mostly think the "sexism" complaints are more a meme or form of moderate trolling then anything else. They're certainly shallow complaints compared to what a real tried and true feminist would be offended by in anime. Frankly this is a horrible form of entertainment for feminists or christians to find fun watching, as nothing about anime is particularly feminist or christian. Japan lags behind the west BADLY in women's rights, and it bleeds into most of their media, especially anime. The few "true" feminists I know and have known can't even sit through 5 minutes of pretty much any anime before becoming so offended and disgusted they won't watch anymore; so the idea that Konosuba is so unpalatable to feminists while the rest of the series airing this season get a pass strikes me as fake outrage I'd love to hear why you think, for instance, ERASED is so much more sexist than Konosuba (which I don't think is particularly sexist) I haven't watched that, not to slide off-topic but what would be the key sexist things regarding that anime? Minor spoilers: I assume it's mainly that the MC (a guy) goes back in time to save a girl from his class who was killed (and his mother by extension, since she ends up being killed by the same person in the future). It's a little bit damsel in distress but it's executed effectively, and I don't think a trope is sexist in and of itself. I was just curious since he mentioned it was more sexist than Konosuba which is a criticism of Erased I haven't seen before. |
Feb 25, 2016 1:21 PM
#163
Ah, I figured, that's a tough one. I think as long as the creator doesn't try their damn-est to make the female least unnecessarily helpless or dependent on the male lead I think it's alright. I mean if the main girl is a 10-yea-marine vet and the guy is some stereotypical nerd there shouldn't be a reason he outdoes her in her own field. Granted if he is a "nerd" and depending on her precise job in the service there could be many ways for him to stand out in his own right in terms of ability or character. The contrast could him softening her up after years of war, rather than the typical other way around (like beauty and the beast But then again he was a selfish prick and she had a considerable level of independence that didn't seem to waver like with other characters.) I dunno, If I were to write a story I would try to avert gender roles unless the time period justifies it (1600s Europe, feudal Japan etc.) That's not say that Every character should lean away from femininity and every man should avoid to masculinity, to some degree, no mater how perfect a world is it has standards and cultural norms that persist, even in the near future. But what I do notice is male character are given much more should room in that regard. A man can be a her, a coward, a villain, or a regular person, where as a woman, is fitted into this role with some kind of catch, if they're not the villain they're often from exceptional circumstances. For instance; being the daughter of a noble or powerful family who had no male heirs and therefore she not only has to take up the role but overcompensate to quirky levels. There is some truth in this thanks to sexism in itself. Sadly, fiction is often a mirror of our surroundings. As I was saying gender roles wouldn't exist in a work of mine unless it was consistent to the setting or a particular plot. In my story the royal family of one of the countries is matrilineal, and the people of said country by comparison to others don't see women as helpless things that need to be secured. Nearly 40% of of their military are women. This, of course doesn't make the setting sexist proof but it does allow a greater variety of female roles ranging from the "normal" ones to the less common ones such as combat soldiers and female autocrats. |
QWERTYFish25Feb 25, 2016 1:28 PM
Feb 25, 2016 1:30 PM
#164
I'm going to go off-topic for some adovacating. Sexism has many flaws, there's no. denying that, but sexism is what causes men to bare the risk for a chance of the reward. It is also causes chivalry from men, and wanting to provide for their family and women. Since modern society treat sexism as the plague, so did the whole ideal of chivalry and providing everything for their women, carrying the women's burden as well. With the ideal of sexism, Kazuma is going out of his way to support the girls in his party despite their flaws and carrying the danger that comes with those flaws. He is willing to let the girls take advantage of him and his money while he is to carry the burden and debt cause by his team members. It is program into him from all his ero game being the male hero (diluting him into intially thinking he was special with cheat stats.) If it was not, he would have ditch the girls and the party a long time ago, because it is already establish that Kazuma is a jerk. Being in a component party will make his work and life safer. Is he bullying the girls because they are female? No, he reprimand and treat the girls the way he do in the series because they are all mess up, and in the same way Kazuma is mess up, the girls does the same back to him. |
Feb 25, 2016 1:46 PM
#165
How did it end up like this? But it seems my AquaKazuma-ship just hit an iceberg, which is pretty sad. D: *sob |
Feb 25, 2016 5:14 PM
#166
asaspades said: I'd love to hear why you think, for instance, ERASED is so much more sexist than Konosuba (which I don't think is particularly sexist) see this post QWERTYFish25 said: Sexism can be present even within a "gentlemen." I do, however, believe it's possible for a woman to support sexism and misogyny despite their gender. Not to the benefit of their group as with the creators of other isms, I think. The idea of the male hero always saving the girl and being a gentleman at all times in spite of the nature of the girl can be seen as very sexist. It reduces the heroine to the position of a valuable commodity that needs to be obtained and protected in order for the male hero to assert his moral character. He is always righteous, she is always attracted to him, he is always defined by his deeds, she is always defined by her worth in his eyes, etc. A helpless princess in a castle being saved by a knight in shining armor can be just as "sexist" as a male and female soldier from two warring nations ripping each other apart. I think it's not how the female character is treated but rather how she is treated because she is female. sums up why Erased is sexist pretty well. Now understand, When i was talking about other anime triggering feminist outrage, I wasn't supporting the outrage in the least. The USA has enough issues far more pressing then some lingering sexisum, if you've ever been homeless and hungry you learn very quickly how little any of this SJW nonsense matters in the grand scheme of things. It's like complaining about the toothache when you just had your arm chopped off. Sure the toothache sucks but there are far greater issues of concern in daily american life then to spend time getting angry over a japanese cartoon treating cartoon characters badly. Especially when it's done strictly for laughs. When you get a shotgun shoved in your face and a roomate is dead on the floor from that same shotgun and same gunman all over a robbery of < $20; you'll realize just how nonsensical most people's daily concerns and outrages are truly a first world problem. |
Feb 26, 2016 2:01 AM
#167
azanimefan said: I'd prefer not to play oppression Olympics with regards the problems which may be unique to us from time to time. I get what you're saying but there a bit of a problem with that logic, when I mentioned sexism being a first world problem I didn't mean it as a problem exclusive to those type of places. People here are more vocal about it because there's a tad more support, less risk (on average) and better networking. It's not a foreign, outlandish comcept. Much like how white people are kissing MLK's ass as he turns over in his grave to the last lingering thoughts of what he considered towards the end of his life the march into "a burning house" Those same kind of people would be the one's spitting in the faces of boycotters. Now even the most conservative Right-wing won't argure MLK was right in the end, that's the comfort zone the face of white people in America have acquired. The same thing can be said regarding sexism among other things. I wouldn't regard social justice as nonsense in the least, especially considering literally the same percentage of white people who believed racial equality was a reality back in the 50s and 60s say the same thing today. You wouldn't be taken serious as a human being if you said that about the 60s now.asaspades said: I'd love to hear why you think, for instance, ERASED is so much more sexist than Konosuba (which I don't think is particularly sexist) see this post QWERTYFish25 said: Sexism can be present even within a "gentlemen." I do, however, believe it's possible for a woman to support sexism and misogyny despite their gender. Not to the benefit of their group as with the creators of other isms, I think. The idea of the male hero always saving the girl and being a gentleman at all times in spite of the nature of the girl can be seen as very sexist. It reduces the heroine to the position of a valuable commodity that needs to be obtained and protected in order for the male hero to assert his moral character. He is always righteous, she is always attracted to him, he is always defined by his deeds, she is always defined by her worth in his eyes, etc. A helpless princess in a castle being saved by a knight in shining armor can be just as "sexist" as a male and female soldier from two warring nations ripping each other apart. I think it's not how the female character is treated but rather how she is treated because she is female. sums up why Erased is sexist pretty well. Now understand, When i was talking about other anime triggering feminist outrage, I wasn't supporting the outrage in the least. The USA has enough issues far more pressing then some lingering sexisum, if you've ever been homeless and hungry you learn very quickly how little any of this SJW nonsense matters in the grand scheme of things. It's like complaining about the toothache when you just had your arm chopped off. Sure the toothache sucks but there are far greater issues of concern in daily american life then to spend time getting angry over a japanese cartoon treating cartoon characters badly. Especially when it's done strictly for laughs. When you get a shotgun shoved in your face and a roomate is dead on the floor from that same shotgun and same gunman all over a robbery of < $20; you'll realize just how nonsensical most people's daily concerns and outrages are truly a first world problem. While I do understand there are more dire things in the moment of their that are rampant in our world we also have to understand that they have a root. Things like entertainment are often one of the biggest contributors of our thoughts and take on reality, even when we know them to be an exaggeration we still use them as a relative point for understanding things. And so the conveyance of media is a major player in how both men and women treat...well men and women. While I do believe the arguing over how sexist Kona Suba is is fruitless, flawed, and blinkered towards the anime industry as a whole I still do believe there is some significance towards the thoughts about it. My beef is how selective the complaints are towards this. I also believe people have a right to gripe about anything they feel is rigged or unnecessary. That's not to say talk about racism and oppression while you're performing open-heart surgery or something. But I don't believe the extent of suffering a human being may experience on the other side of the globe somehow invalidates what one may being try to do in order to make life more enjoyable, for all we know there may be a connection to it all. |
Mar 18, 2016 10:10 PM
#168
QWERTYFish25 said: People get so bent out of shape over this, I see nothing wrong. Too many times have I seen similar works where the guy is borderline loser (whatever that means) and the girl is a total babe with some "special qualities". The girls follow the guy and bitch him out along the whole way, he does something good it gets overridden by the accidental pervert trope. She gets into trouble he has to get her out of it with barely a real thank you. People complain this show is sexist or misogynistic but in reality it more realistic than "serious" anime. Here the girl bitches and gets bitched back at, rightfully so I will add. There's no puppy eyes and running into a corner for her until he apologizes for showing genuine emotion towards her stupidity. He's not willing to just stand there and be the breaking back for the group with nothing in it for him, he's not gonna sit there and be swindled out of his belongings simply because there is a vagina across from him, or he's not gonna allow a well deserved lesson be thwarted simply because a couple of women (that asshole knight's party) have a problem with him. He's a genuine character by comparison to a lot who share a genre. People in this thread complain about sexism. But where is the complains about the excessive nudity, the oblivious and overly innocent girls that infest anime who, by the way operate in a society that consistently regulates limited standards for them? And let's not forget the opposite, the "mature" often older woman who always seems to fall out of her clothes with each step? You know, the one who keeps throwing herself on the protagonist, has a history of being used by former lovers, or even, fawns over the protagonist in a way that screams "rebound." I don't know about you guys but as much as I like ecchi I really dislike the-dimensional, obnoxious, guiltless heroine with a built-in sensitivity-switch that manages to get her out of taking responsibility for any stupid deed she does or says. Very interesting. LazyLuong said: Lol. The way I see it most of them act out of self interest, and not really bullying. Aqua - create problems, greed, and tries to shift problems onto Kazuma out of self benefits. A complete drunk later on. Megumin - rejected by all other parties and blackmails Kazuma into inviting her into the party. Screw loose with her love for explosion. Darkness - Perverted Masochist, not really much to say there. Kazuma - Likes to seek (not exactly the right word) retribution on others regardless of gender. If given the chances, will be perverted, a scum lazing around, etc. later on. They all both negatively and positively affects each other. Aqua causes Kazuma to not be lazy and actually do work, and vice-versa, but Kazuma prevents Aqua from accepting obvious quest that would be considered suicdial. But in the case that death doea happen, Aqua can resurect the dead if time hasn't past by that long. Kazuma teaches Megumin the importance of learning other magic, but decided to let her stick to her explosion obsession. As for Megumin influence on Kazuma, is more on the negative side, but she does help a lot being the one who can make a blow strong enough to bypass their battle level limitation. Darkness causes Kazuma to have some connections, while Kazuma influnces. Darkness to be more flexible in her speech and decisions. Seems like it. Thanks for the perspective. Like a lot have said here, it's not as if she doesn't deserve quite a bit of it. At the start, I can only imagine how hurtful it would be if someone laughs hard on such a death then even hide dangerous footnotes before signing a contract. I can understand how it can be considered low comedy but I really enjoy it and I hope there'd be more of it. I also hope that there'd be more material for people who don't like the show due to another preference. I can understand some frustration due to the realistic nature of numbered studios, limited time and budgets. |
Mar 19, 2016 3:32 AM
#169
I get the point of Aqua being bullied, perhaps sometimes too much, but I really don't see where her gender comes into play. Kazuma calls her lazy, selfish, and a good for nothing, and bullies her because of that. That could apply to a guy all the same, and the other two girls actually tend to agree with him: did no one notice Darkness staring at Aqua in episode 10 when they needed more mana? In fact, this thread exists because people tend to think they should go easy on Aqua because "she's still a girl". That's not how equality works. If Aqua was a male character this thread would not have existed, and you know it. We'd get comment like "poor sod", "lol, lol, lol, Aqua getting trolled again", and that'd be the end of it. Regarding Aqua in the cage, again the other girls had the same stance on it as Kazuma, and Aqua wasn't traumatised. Real trauma doesn't dissappear after a quarter of an episode, after someone comes around that worships you as a goddess. It only served to underscore Aqua's haughtiness. Kazuma also said that specific episode that he just doesn't care about gender, and will strike against people if they have it coming, using whatever he can against them. I actually like Aqua as a character, I still ship Kazuma x Aqua, and I do think she's bullied too much sometimes, but really feminism and gender have nothing to do with it. azanimefan said: asaspades said: I'd love to hear why you think, for instance, ERASED is so much more sexist than Konosuba (which I don't think is particularly sexist) see this post QWERTYFish25 said: (...) sums up why Erased is sexist pretty well. But then,.. what about Hiromi? |
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Mar 19, 2016 11:24 PM
#170
Laionidas said: I get the point of Aqua being bullied, perhaps sometimes too much, but I really don't see where her gender comes into play. Kazuma calls her lazy, selfish, and a good for nothing, and bullies her because of that. That could apply to a guy all the same, and the other two girls actually tend to agree with him: did no one notice Darkness staring at Aqua in episode 10 when they needed more mana? In fact, this thread exists because people tend to think they should go easy on Aqua because "she's still a girl". That's not how equality works. If Aqua was a male character this thread would not have existed, and you know it. We'd get comment like "poor sod", "lol, lol, lol, Aqua getting trolled again", and that'd be the end of it. Regarding Aqua in the cage, again the other girls had the same stance on it as Kazuma, and Aqua wasn't traumatised. Real trauma doesn't dissappear after a quarter of an episode, after someone comes around that worships you as a goddess. It only served to underscore Aqua's haughtiness. Kazuma also said that specific episode that he just doesn't care about gender, and will strike against people if they have it coming, using whatever he can against them. I actually like Aqua as a character, I still ship Kazuma x Aqua, and I do think she's bullied too much sometimes, but really feminism and gender have nothing to do with it. azanimefan said: asaspades said: I'd love to hear why you think, for instance, ERASED is so much more sexist than Konosuba (which I don't think is particularly sexist) see this post QWERTYFish25 said: (...) sums up why Erased is sexist pretty well. But then,.. what about Hiromi? Kinda reminds me when Kazuma admitted he believes in some gender equality and would dole out a drop kick on a girl instantly LOL. Gonna rewatch the anime again but yeah I think on a few times, he was just mean like when Aqua arrived with extra food from somewhere then Kazuma ragged on her as being useless... but LOL when she crocodile teared the next day :P Yeah for now, I still like Kaz x Aqua in my own fantasy. Pointless but I would like to see an alternate where Kaz and Aqua hitched it of better, even as friends. That's what I thought where it was generally heading after ep. 1. ...not that I would no longer love the material if the author still kept doing usual slapstick (or w/e else its called) Kaz x Aqua. |
Mar 20, 2016 3:28 AM
#171
tubers said: I think on a few times, he was just mean like when Aqua arrived with extra food from somewhere then Kazuma ragged on her as being useless... but LOL when she crocodile teared the next day :P Yeah, I didn't like that part either, and commented on it before. I guess it happened at least a few times the other way around too though, and let's not forget that had Aqua showed some restraint, the entire party would have been loaded by now (city walls incident). I do think Kazuma and Aqua are in fact very close. Whenever he reflects on how he likes his life, even with or especially with his useless teammates, he always thinks of Aqua first (and often only). We're just not used to a main male character who is himself a tsundere. |
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Mar 20, 2016 9:26 AM
#172
Laionidas said: tubers said: I think on a few times, he was just mean like when Aqua arrived with extra food from somewhere then Kazuma ragged on her as being useless... but LOL when she crocodile teared the next day :P Yeah, I didn't like that part either, and commented on it before. I guess it happened at least a few times the other way around too though, and let's not forget that had Aqua showed some restraint, the entire party would have been loaded by now (city walls incident). I do think Kazuma and Aqua are in fact very close. Whenever he reflects on how he likes his life, even with or especially with his useless teammates, he always thinks of Aqua first (and often only). We're just not used to a main male character who is himself a tsundere. I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. It's a shame they skipped the chapter where Kazuma tried to solo a dungeon. Aqua actually showed her good side that time but in the end Kazuma still bullied her. |
Mar 21, 2016 12:50 AM
#173
Huex3 said: I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. The fact that heaven immediately got rid of her once they got the chance (by Kazuma choosing Aqua as his "special power") is actually the strongest evidence of Aqua losing her Godhood status :P (though that doesn't mean she will lose her God power. As long as the Axis cult stands strong & worships her, there simply no way she will run out of God power.) But Aqua x Kazuma is a different thing. It actually has no relation to whether Aqua retains her status as Goddess or not. (The writer can simply develop the plot that way. We've seen it millions of times, in many literature, Japanese or non-Japanese.) But it's still a difficult thing to happen. The biggest problem in an Aqua x Kazuma pairing is that the two of them, like Laionidas said, has gone close, too close. They're pretty best of friends and already used to seeing each other the way they see each other now, which nowhere near "romantic". To change the relationship from friendship to romance, one needs to change his/her way of view to the other, and that would create gaps in their relationship which will serve as the plot required to develop it. Problem is: where to start? Aqua is too thickheaded + she always tries to see things and react like what a God should have (though she's not the best at it.) That kind of love she would just skips and forgets it easily. Meanwhile Kazuma... yeah, you know Kazuma. He doesn't even rate Aqua as one of potential heroine. He sees Aqua as a friend, as a partner in his quest, and as his chosen cheat. Eris, Iris, Megumin & Darkness, and, to a certain extend, Yunyun and Wiz, are the girls he sees as heroines of his story. But I do think that there will be an Aqua x Kazuma development. though probably it'll be like Elsie x Keima in TWGOK. It won't resolve in a way you can call "romantic" but they'll end up together in the end, nonetheless. Well, unless they decide to do a parody of Code Geass, too, in which after taking the demon king role, Kazuma will die in the end :P |
Mar 21, 2016 3:27 AM
#174
Mar 21, 2016 9:39 AM
#175
Revvie-chan said: Huex3 said: I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. The fact that heaven immediately got rid of her once they got the chance (by Kazuma choosing Aqua as his "special power") is actually the strongest evidence of Aqua losing her Godhood status :P (though that doesn't mean she will lose her God power. As long as the Axis cult stands strong & worships her, there simply no way she will run out of God power.) But Aqua x Kazuma is a different thing. It actually has no relation to whether Aqua retains her status as Goddess or not. (The writer can simply develop the plot that way. We've seen it millions of times, in many literature, Japanese or non-Japanese.) But it's still a difficult thing to happen. The biggest problem in an Aqua x Kazuma pairing is that the two of them, like Laionidas said, has gone close, too close. They're pretty best of friends and already used to seeing each other the way they see each other now, which nowhere near "romantic". To change the relationship from friendship to romance, one needs to change his/her way of view to the other, and that would create gaps in their relationship which will serve as the plot required to develop it. Problem is: where to start? Aqua is too thickheaded + she always tries to see things and react like what a God should have (though she's not the best at it.) That kind of love she would just skips and forgets it easily. Meanwhile Kazuma... yeah, you know Kazuma. He doesn't even rate Aqua as one of potential heroine. He sees Aqua as a friend, as a partner in his quest, and as his chosen cheat. Eris, Iris, Megumin & Darkness, and, to a certain extend, Yunyun and Wiz, are the girls he sees as heroines of his story. But I do think that there will be an Aqua x Kazuma development. though probably it'll be like Elsie x Keima in TWGOK. It won't resolve in a way you can call "romantic" but they'll end up together in the end, nonetheless. Well, unless they decide to do a parody of Code Geass, too, in which after taking the demon king role, Kazuma will die in the end :P Sorry but how far are you in the Light Novels? You've read it right? I just want to clarify first. Did heaven really get rid of her? I mean she can still come back to heaven after they defeat the demon king just like what was agreed upon. They did get rid of her yes, but she is still a god. Probably heaven punished her to go clean up her mess but that doesn't mean she is not a god anymore(unless it was explicitly stated by someone from heaven). Well I haven't read beyond vol. 5 so I really don't know. It's ok to spoil me anyway. I've seen some spoilers from somewhere and I've read that Kazuma will die a lot. I just don't see Aqua getting away with breaking rules a lot of times and her actions always comes back to bite her that's why I'm thinking that heaven really might remove her goddess status. You just stated the problem yeah, the problem is she reacts like a god. so yes the problem is her godhood. Another problem is Kazuma won't like someone who doesn't like him. However I disagree with you about Kazuma seeing Aqua as his chosen cheat cause you see in vol. 1 he told her to go home if she doesn't want to help so yeah. I've just finished Vol. 5 and I wholeheartedly agree with you that their current relationship is platonic. However, their characteristics makes it impossible for their relationship to develop that way. Aqua is a goddess, to her Kazuma is a mere mortal. Even in the Anime they show how proud Aqua is about her being a goddess that she repeatedly says "I'm a goddess, Kazuma worship me blah blah". From that we can see that she does not see Kazuma as an equal and is beneath her(tho she does considers him her bestfriend or someone close.. probably) and there were times in the light novel that she referred to him as "her servant". Aqua and Kazuma developing feelings for each other while Aqua is a goddess is illogical due to Aqua's not seeing Kazuma as a love interest. Also, Kazuma says that he is just waiting for someone to fall in love with him so he can go for it (Darkness and Megumin are sending clear signals but Kazuma is not receiving them properly and is still in doubt so far... but we'll see in later volumes). Also I want to clarify that Aqua is not stupid all the time there are a lot of instances where she displayed better insight than Kazuma(but well she is still stupid a lot of times too). |
Mar 21, 2016 10:04 AM
#176
imo Aqua gets bullied mainly because she is stupid. |
Mar 21, 2016 10:43 AM
#177
Huex3 said: Revvie-chan said: Huex3 said: I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. The fact that heaven immediately got rid of her once they got the chance (by Kazuma choosing Aqua as his "special power") is actually the strongest evidence of Aqua losing her Godhood status :P (though that doesn't mean she will lose her God power. As long as the Axis cult stands strong & worships her, there simply no way she will run out of God power.) But Aqua x Kazuma is a different thing. It actually has no relation to whether Aqua retains her status as Goddess or not. (The writer can simply develop the plot that way. We've seen it millions of times, in many literature, Japanese or non-Japanese.) But it's still a difficult thing to happen. The biggest problem in an Aqua x Kazuma pairing is that the two of them, like Laionidas said, has gone close, too close. They're pretty best of friends and already used to seeing each other the way they see each other now, which nowhere near "romantic". To change the relationship from friendship to romance, one needs to change his/her way of view to the other, and that would create gaps in their relationship which will serve as the plot required to develop it. Problem is: where to start? Aqua is too thickheaded + she always tries to see things and react like what a God should have (though she's not the best at it.) That kind of love she would just skips and forgets it easily. Meanwhile Kazuma... yeah, you know Kazuma. He doesn't even rate Aqua as one of potential heroine. He sees Aqua as a friend, as a partner in his quest, and as his chosen cheat. Eris, Iris, Megumin & Darkness, and, to a certain extend, Yunyun and Wiz, are the girls he sees as heroines of his story. But I do think that there will be an Aqua x Kazuma development. though probably it'll be like Elsie x Keima in TWGOK. It won't resolve in a way you can call "romantic" but they'll end up together in the end, nonetheless. Well, unless they decide to do a parody of Code Geass, too, in which after taking the demon king role, Kazuma will die in the end :P Sorry but how far are you in the Light Novels? You've read it right? I just want to clarify first. Did heaven really get rid of her? I mean she can still come back to heaven after they defeat the demon king just like what was agreed upon. They did get rid of her yes, but she is still a god. Probably heaven punished her to go clean up her mess but that doesn't mean she is not a god anymore(unless it was explicitly stated by someone from heaven). Well I haven't read beyond vol. 5 so I really don't know. It's ok to spoil me anyway. I've seen some spoilers from somewhere and I've read that Kazuma will die a lot. I just don't see Aqua getting away with breaking rules a lot of times and her actions always comes back to bite her that's why I'm thinking that heaven really might remove her goddess status. You just stated the problem yeah, the problem is she reacts like a god. so yes the problem is her godhood. Another problem is Kazuma won't like someone who doesn't like him. However I disagree with you about Kazuma seeing Aqua as his chosen cheat cause you see in vol. 1 he told her to go home if she doesn't want to help so yeah. I've just finished Vol. 5 and I wholeheartedly agree with you that their current relationship is platonic. However, their characteristics makes it impossible for their relationship to develop that way. Aqua is a goddess, to her Kazuma is a mere mortal. Even in the Anime they show how proud Aqua is about her being a goddess that she repeatedly says "I'm a goddess, Kazuma worship me blah blah". From that we can see that she does not see Kazuma as an equal and is beneath her(tho she does considers him her bestfriend or someone close.. probably) and there were times in the light novel that she referred to him as "her servant". Aqua and Kazuma developing feelings for each other while Aqua is a goddess is illogical due to Aqua's not seeing Kazuma as a love interest. Also, Kazuma says that he is just waiting for someone to fall in love with him so he can go for it (Darkness and Megumin are sending clear signals but Kazuma is not receiving them properly and is still in doubt so far... but we'll see in later volumes). Also I want to clarify that Aqua is not stupid all the time there are a lot of instances where she displayed better insight than Kazuma(but well she is still stupid a lot of times too). since anime is over, Il think talking this here now won't really be that much of a spoiler. But still I keep to the rules of using spoiler tags. Nah, only as far what we, the international community, already have the "fan-fic" She can't come back on her own, but can come back via other gods/goddesses power. That's why her replacement on vol 1 (which later is replaced by Eris) said that they'll get someone to pick her up when the Demon King is defeated. That literally means heaven can pick her up whenever they want her back. Isn't that called "putting her aside"? :P I didn't say she's no longer a god. She just lost her place in heaven. but she's still a god (or something else that is equal to a god.) She still has her power, and also the traits of a god such as her power which is directly related to the amount of worships she gets. But what I'm trying to say is: removing her god status won't help at all for an Aqua x Kazuma development. We've both agreed about the platonic relationship and how their characteristics & view of each others are what hinder a romance between them to happen. But, in my opinion, Eris can go and tell her senpai that she (Aqua) loses her godhood and although she probably will sulk it for a while, she'll just bite back with her usual "idiot braggart" attitude. Instead of losing her godhood, I think she'll need something else, something that will make her godhood ability & experience looks like "it's not OP at all." She needs to lose believe in her power and herself, not actually loses her power or status. (aka typical romance drama development, not comedic drama.) If I am to say, I guess the best bet is the demon king. But that, too, will need a nice spin to continue from, since it's already confirmed that he is, in fact, Japanese, which probably means the whole problem to the story rest in Aqua not doing her job properly when she's still back on heaven. Still believe that somehow Aqua x Kazuma will get a bit development. (After all, Haqua did get her development with Keima, even if it's abruptly deleted at the end of TWGOK.) btw, Nah nah nah Aqua is the wisest of them all, because she's a god that had watched numerous worlds during her time doing god's duty. Being stupid doesn't necessarily mean you can't be wise. The antonym of stupid is smart. The antonym of wise is naive. The two words don't relate to each other at all, so both can coexist (even if it may sound weird.) Darkness is smart (if you read her arc and Iris' arc after this, you could see she's actually quite an able politician) but she's naive. Megumin is also smart, but she is also naive. (She knows the most effective condition to use her spell, but tend not to use that knowledge + has low insight of what her spell will do in the long run.) Kazuma is the smartest and also wiser than them two, but, as you say, Aqua has better insight to things than Kazuma. |
Mar 21, 2016 1:20 PM
#178
very nice post about intelligences and wisdom not being the same. I definitively agree with you on that. |
Mar 21, 2016 1:34 PM
#179
Revvie-chan said: Huex3 said: Revvie-chan said: Huex3 said: I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. The fact that heaven immediately got rid of her once they got the chance (by Kazuma choosing Aqua as his "special power") is actually the strongest evidence of Aqua losing her Godhood status :P (though that doesn't mean she will lose her God power. As long as the Axis cult stands strong & worships her, there simply no way she will run out of God power.) But Aqua x Kazuma is a different thing. It actually has no relation to whether Aqua retains her status as Goddess or not. (The writer can simply develop the plot that way. We've seen it millions of times, in many literature, Japanese or non-Japanese.) But it's still a difficult thing to happen. The biggest problem in an Aqua x Kazuma pairing is that the two of them, like Laionidas said, has gone close, too close. They're pretty best of friends and already used to seeing each other the way they see each other now, which nowhere near "romantic". To change the relationship from friendship to romance, one needs to change his/her way of view to the other, and that would create gaps in their relationship which will serve as the plot required to develop it. Problem is: where to start? Aqua is too thickheaded + she always tries to see things and react like what a God should have (though she's not the best at it.) That kind of love she would just skips and forgets it easily. Meanwhile Kazuma... yeah, you know Kazuma. He doesn't even rate Aqua as one of potential heroine. He sees Aqua as a friend, as a partner in his quest, and as his chosen cheat. Eris, Iris, Megumin & Darkness, and, to a certain extend, Yunyun and Wiz, are the girls he sees as heroines of his story. But I do think that there will be an Aqua x Kazuma development. though probably it'll be like Elsie x Keima in TWGOK. It won't resolve in a way you can call "romantic" but they'll end up together in the end, nonetheless. Well, unless they decide to do a parody of Code Geass, too, in which after taking the demon king role, Kazuma will die in the end :P Sorry but how far are you in the Light Novels? You've read it right? I just want to clarify first. Did heaven really get rid of her? I mean she can still come back to heaven after they defeat the demon king just like what was agreed upon. They did get rid of her yes, but she is still a god. Probably heaven punished her to go clean up her mess but that doesn't mean she is not a god anymore(unless it was explicitly stated by someone from heaven). Well I haven't read beyond vol. 5 so I really don't know. It's ok to spoil me anyway. I've seen some spoilers from somewhere and I've read that Kazuma will die a lot. I just don't see Aqua getting away with breaking rules a lot of times and her actions always comes back to bite her that's why I'm thinking that heaven really might remove her goddess status. You just stated the problem yeah, the problem is she reacts like a god. so yes the problem is her godhood. Another problem is Kazuma won't like someone who doesn't like him. However I disagree with you about Kazuma seeing Aqua as his chosen cheat cause you see in vol. 1 he told her to go home if she doesn't want to help so yeah. I've just finished Vol. 5 and I wholeheartedly agree with you that their current relationship is platonic. However, their characteristics makes it impossible for their relationship to develop that way. Aqua is a goddess, to her Kazuma is a mere mortal. Even in the Anime they show how proud Aqua is about her being a goddess that she repeatedly says "I'm a goddess, Kazuma worship me blah blah". From that we can see that she does not see Kazuma as an equal and is beneath her(tho she does considers him her bestfriend or someone close.. probably) and there were times in the light novel that she referred to him as "her servant". Aqua and Kazuma developing feelings for each other while Aqua is a goddess is illogical due to Aqua's not seeing Kazuma as a love interest. Also, Kazuma says that he is just waiting for someone to fall in love with him so he can go for it (Darkness and Megumin are sending clear signals but Kazuma is not receiving them properly and is still in doubt so far... but we'll see in later volumes). Also I want to clarify that Aqua is not stupid all the time there are a lot of instances where she displayed better insight than Kazuma(but well she is still stupid a lot of times too). since anime is over, Il think talking this here now won't really be that much of a spoiler. But still I keep to the rules of using spoiler tags. Nah, only as far what we, the international community, already have the "fan-fic" She can't come back on her own, but can come back via other gods/goddesses power. That's why her replacement on vol 1 (which later is replaced by Eris) said that they'll get someone to pick her up when the Demon King is defeated. That literally means heaven can pick her up whenever they want her back. Isn't that called "putting her aside"? :P I didn't say she's no longer a god. She just lost her place in heaven. but she's still a god (or something else that is equal to a god.) She still has her power, and also the traits of a god such as her power which is directly related to the amount of worships she gets. But what I'm trying to say is: removing her god status won't help at all for an Aqua x Kazuma development. We've both agreed about the platonic relationship and how their characteristics & view of each others are what hinder a romance between them to happen. But, in my opinion, Eris can go and tell her senpai that she (Aqua) loses her godhood and although she probably will sulk it for a while, she'll just bite back with her usual "idiot braggart" attitude. Instead of losing her godhood, I think she'll need something else, something that will make her godhood ability & experience looks like "it's not OP at all." She needs to lose believe in her power and herself, not actually loses her power or status. (aka typical romance drama development, not comedic drama.) If I am to say, I guess the best bet is the demon king. But that, too, will need a nice spin to continue from, since it's already confirmed that he is, in fact, Japanese, which probably means the whole problem to the story rest in Aqua not doing her job properly when she's still back on heaven. Still believe that somehow Aqua x Kazuma will get a bit development. (After all, Haqua did get her development with Keima, even if it's abruptly deleted at the end of TWGOK.) btw, Nah nah nah Aqua is the wisest of them all, because she's a god that had watched numerous worlds during her time doing god's duty. Being stupid doesn't necessarily mean you can't be wise. The antonym of stupid is smart. The antonym of wise is naive. The two words don't relate to each other at all, so both can coexist (even if it may sound weird.) Darkness is smart (if you read her arc and Iris' arc after this, you could see she's actually quite an able politician) but she's naive. Megumin is also smart, but she is also naive. (She knows the most effective condition to use her spell, but tend not to use that knowledge + has low insight of what her spell will do in the long run.) Kazuma is the smartest and also wiser than them two, but, as you say, Aqua has better insight to things than Kazuma. ahh the fanfic. I see Ahh I see. I thought they really did strip her of her godhood. I misunderstood the "heaven got rid of her" part. I assumed the worst. I say it's her punishment. Yeah I get what you're trying to say. You say it won't help. I say it will. I guess our conclusion differs because of how we think Aqua will react. I'll explain my side I guess. I have two scenarios in mind 1. I agree to you that she'll sulk and she'll return to being a idiot braggart if they treat her the same. However, you didn't take the others into account. How do you think Kazuma and the others will react once they found out she's not a goddess anymore? they'd probably (maybe) console her. I'm not sure how Kazuma will feel(responsible? guilt? or probably think she deserves it?). I'm not sure if she'll be return to being a braggart because her not being a goddess means that they'll have to depend less on her because she lost most of her powers. In turn, this would make her insecure right? I think they will bully her less or maybe they won't bully her anymore(or maybe I am wrong and they will bully her even more). Although Aqua is always upbeat and energetic she does have a kinder side(that one time when Kazuma tried to solo a dungeon) which will probably emerge. 2. She won't tell her teammates the news that she was demoted to a mortal and they continue their journey. What might happen is one of them gets mortally wounded and she won't be able to heal it right away(some kind of wound that takes months to heal). Remember what the high priest from Axis said? a lot of priests and time is needed to do what Aqua did in her city(can't remember the name). And she will lose that godly power she will lose her confidence real quick. Anyway, I don't understand why it is Aqua's fault with the demon king and the other bad things that happened in that world. Basically Aqua just sent them there it's not her fault that the ones she sent did bad things right? I mean she didn't know they'd do bad things. Basically, it's like "A person rode a cab to go to an apartment and kill, so can we say that the cab driver is at fault for doing his job even if he doesn't know his fare is a killer?" And from what I can see Aqua is serious about her work. Once she sees undead or demons she goes "goddess mode must purge the sinners!" Also when they did construction at the start of their journey she doesn't seem lazy to me(also shown in the anime). I agree with the rest. that way of speaking tho. very aqua-ish. I thought it was mistranslated at first cause Japanese usually say ne or something. |
Mar 23, 2016 10:27 AM
#180
Huex3 said: ahh the fanfic. I see Ahh I see. I thought they really did strip her of her godhood. I misunderstood the "heaven got rid of her" part. I assumed the worst. I say it's her punishment. Yeah I get what you're trying to say. You say it won't help. I say it will. I guess our conclusion differs because of how we think Aqua will react. I'll explain my side I guess. I have two scenarios in mind 1. I agree to you that she'll sulk and she'll return to being a idiot braggart if they treat her the same. However, you didn't take the others into account. How do you think Kazuma and the others will react once they found out she's not a goddess anymore? they'd probably (maybe) console her. I'm not sure how Kazuma will feel(responsible? guilt? or probably think she deserves it?). I'm not sure if she'll be return to being a braggart because her not being a goddess means that they'll have to depend less on her because she lost most of her powers. In turn, this would make her insecure right? I think they will bully her less or maybe they won't bully her anymore(or maybe I am wrong and they will bully her even more). Although Aqua is always upbeat and energetic she does have a kinder side(that one time when Kazuma tried to solo a dungeon) which will probably emerge. 2. She won't tell her teammates the news that she was demoted to a mortal and they continue their journey. What might happen is one of them gets mortally wounded and she won't be able to heal it right away(some kind of wound that takes months to heal). Remember what the high priest from Axis said? a lot of priests and time is needed to do what Aqua did in her city(can't remember the name). And she will lose that godly power she will lose her confidence real quick. Anyway, I don't understand why it is Aqua's fault with the demon king and the other bad things that happened in that world. Basically Aqua just sent them there it's not her fault that the ones she sent did bad things right? I mean she didn't know they'd do bad things. Basically, it's like "A person rode a cab to go to an apartment and kill, so can we say that the cab driver is at fault for doing his job even if he doesn't know his fare is a killer?" And from what I can see Aqua is serious about her work. Once she sees undead or demons she goes "goddess mode must purge the sinners!" Also when they did construction at the start of their journey she doesn't seem lazy to me(also shown in the anime). I agree with the rest. that way of speaking tho. very aqua-ish. I thought it was mistranslated at first cause Japanese usually say ne or something. hmm... Possibility 1: - Kazuma "bullied" her or not has no relation with whether she's OP or not. She is useless most of the times, that's why. - They will console her, of course, the rest of the group. That won't change her attitude. - And actually, if it is Kazuma, instead of pitying her, he probably will just force her into "slavery" by making her do "pain in the a***" simple task like carrying bag, cleaning Kazuma's share of the house for him, etc. The reason for this is that Aqua is the coward type that would lower her head ASAP once she realized she's not in the position to fight back. Scum-zuma definitely won't miss this golden chance. :evilgrin: Possibility 2: - As plausible as it is, it's not feasible. Reason? Because it's not a tragedy story, but a comedy. :D Btw, I missed saying this, but I think the main problem in a Aqua x Kazuma isn't Aqua, but Kazuma. I think Aqua is already (unconsciously) into Kazuma. (Like I said: she's just too thick-headed to realize.) Problem is Kazuma, despite seeing Aqua as a cute girl, he definitely does not see Aqua as a proper heroine. (or maybe he did, but he's also pretty thick-headed about love (like your standard harem hero. This is, on one side, is also a harem genre, alright.)) So we need something that will turn Aqua into a proper heroine. (and that's where we disagree about she losing her god power will actually do any good or not.) |
Mar 24, 2016 11:21 AM
#181
So, do all threads that get horribly derailed like this turn into nothing but people baiting and/or feeding trolls? |
Mar 24, 2016 3:59 PM
#182
Gahh spoiled myself too much for S2/beyond S2. Too bad. Completely my fault though. Just wanted to vent. :P |
Mar 25, 2016 3:54 AM
#183
Huex3 said: Laionidas said: tubers said: I think on a few times, he was just mean like when Aqua arrived with extra food from somewhere then Kazuma ragged on her as being useless... but LOL when she crocodile teared the next day :P Yeah, I didn't like that part either, and commented on it before. I guess it happened at least a few times the other way around too though, and let's not forget that had Aqua showed some restraint, the entire party would have been loaded by now (city walls incident). I do think Kazuma and Aqua are in fact very close. Whenever he reflects on how he likes his life, even with or especially with his useless teammates, he always thinks of Aqua first (and often only). We're just not used to a main male character who is himself a tsundere. I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. It's a shame they skipped the chapter where Kazuma tried to solo a dungeon. Aqua actually showed her good side that time but in the end Kazuma still bullied her. Because Kazuma learned 1 annoying passive ability of Aqua... She is an undead magnet. XD |
Mar 25, 2016 10:56 AM
#184
Revvie-chan said: Huex3 said: ahh the fanfic. I see Ahh I see. I thought they really did strip her of her godhood. I misunderstood the "heaven got rid of her" part. I assumed the worst. I say it's her punishment. Yeah I get what you're trying to say. You say it won't help. I say it will. I guess our conclusion differs because of how we think Aqua will react. I'll explain my side I guess. I have two scenarios in mind 1. I agree to you that she'll sulk and she'll return to being a idiot braggart if they treat her the same. However, you didn't take the others into account. How do you think Kazuma and the others will react once they found out she's not a goddess anymore? they'd probably (maybe) console her. I'm not sure how Kazuma will feel(responsible? guilt? or probably think she deserves it?). I'm not sure if she'll be return to being a braggart because her not being a goddess means that they'll have to depend less on her because she lost most of her powers. In turn, this would make her insecure right? I think they will bully her less or maybe they won't bully her anymore(or maybe I am wrong and they will bully her even more). Although Aqua is always upbeat and energetic she does have a kinder side(that one time when Kazuma tried to solo a dungeon) which will probably emerge. 2. She won't tell her teammates the news that she was demoted to a mortal and they continue their journey. What might happen is one of them gets mortally wounded and she won't be able to heal it right away(some kind of wound that takes months to heal). Remember what the high priest from Axis said? a lot of priests and time is needed to do what Aqua did in her city(can't remember the name). And she will lose that godly power she will lose her confidence real quick. Anyway, I don't understand why it is Aqua's fault with the demon king and the other bad things that happened in that world. Basically Aqua just sent them there it's not her fault that the ones she sent did bad things right? I mean she didn't know they'd do bad things. Basically, it's like "A person rode a cab to go to an apartment and kill, so can we say that the cab driver is at fault for doing his job even if he doesn't know his fare is a killer?" And from what I can see Aqua is serious about her work. Once she sees undead or demons she goes "goddess mode must purge the sinners!" Also when they did construction at the start of their journey she doesn't seem lazy to me(also shown in the anime). I agree with the rest. that way of speaking tho. very aqua-ish. I thought it was mistranslated at first cause Japanese usually say ne or something. hmm... Possibility 1: - Kazuma "bullied" her or not has no relation with whether she's OP or not. She is useless most of the times, that's why. - They will console her, of course, the rest of the group. That won't change her attitude. - And actually, if it is Kazuma, instead of pitying her, he probably will just force her into "slavery" by making her do "pain in the a***" simple task like carrying bag, cleaning Kazuma's share of the house for him, etc. The reason for this is that Aqua is the coward type that would lower her head ASAP once she realized she's not in the position to fight back. Scum-zuma definitely won't miss this golden chance. :evilgrin: Possibility 2: - As plausible as it is, it's not feasible. Reason? Because it's not a tragedy story, but a comedy. :D Btw, I missed saying this, but I think the main problem in a Aqua x Kazuma isn't Aqua, but Kazuma. I think Aqua is already (unconsciously) into Kazuma. (Like I said: she's just too thick-headed to realize.) Problem is Kazuma, despite seeing Aqua as a cute girl, he definitely does not see Aqua as a proper heroine. (or maybe he did, but he's also pretty thick-headed about love (like your standard harem hero. This is, on one side, is also a harem genre, alright.)) So we need something that will turn Aqua into a proper heroine. (and that's where we disagree about she losing her god power will actually do any good or not.) I'm back finally. I see your point. I failed to think of the possibility of Aqua already having feelings for Kazuma. Anyway I think we have reached the limit now. In the end Kazuma has a higher chance being with Megumin or Darkness. If the author can make the Aqua x Kazuma work in this circumstances without making it weird. I salute him. oi oi I don't think Kazuma is that scummy hahahah... maybe a little xD |
Mar 25, 2016 11:08 AM
#185
testamentKAISER said: Huex3 said: Laionidas said: tubers said: I think on a few times, he was just mean like when Aqua arrived with extra food from somewhere then Kazuma ragged on her as being useless... but LOL when she crocodile teared the next day :P Yeah, I didn't like that part either, and commented on it before. I guess it happened at least a few times the other way around too though, and let's not forget that had Aqua showed some restraint, the entire party would have been loaded by now (city walls incident). I do think Kazuma and Aqua are in fact very close. Whenever he reflects on how he likes his life, even with or especially with his useless teammates, he always thinks of Aqua first (and often only). We're just not used to a main male character who is himself a tsundere. I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. It's a shame they skipped the chapter where Kazuma tried to solo a dungeon. Aqua actually showed her good side that time but in the end Kazuma still bullied her. Because Kazuma learned 1 annoying passive ability of Aqua... She is an undead magnet. XD To be honest that's not really her fault. She simply doesn't know about herself being an undead magnet because of her goddess trait. Also it's not like she accompanied Kazuma because she wants to inconvenience him. While it is understandable why Kazuma is irritated of her, it's clear as day that Aqua is just worried he might get himself killed again. Besides, she can take care of any undead(even a horde) that appears before her so Aqua going with Kazuma actually helps him more(my opinion tho). When Kazuma blamed Aqua about the matter I remember those teammates when I play MobA(League or DotA) that complains that they died because *insert ridiculous reasons here* even if you are not at fault why they died(I hope you understand what I'm saying xD). |
Mar 25, 2016 4:20 PM
#186
Huex3 said: testamentKAISER said: Huex3 said: Laionidas said: tubers said: I think on a few times, he was just mean like when Aqua arrived with extra food from somewhere then Kazuma ragged on her as being useless... but LOL when she crocodile teared the next day :P Yeah, I didn't like that part either, and commented on it before. I guess it happened at least a few times the other way around too though, and let's not forget that had Aqua showed some restraint, the entire party would have been loaded by now (city walls incident). I do think Kazuma and Aqua are in fact very close. Whenever he reflects on how he likes his life, even with or especially with his useless teammates, he always thinks of Aqua first (and often only). We're just not used to a main male character who is himself a tsundere. I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. It's a shame they skipped the chapter where Kazuma tried to solo a dungeon. Aqua actually showed her good side that time but in the end Kazuma still bullied her. Because Kazuma learned 1 annoying passive ability of Aqua... She is an undead magnet. XD To be honest that's not really her fault. She simply doesn't know about herself being an undead magnet because of her goddess trait. Also it's not like she accompanied Kazuma because she wants to inconvenience him. While it is understandable why Kazuma is irritated of her, it's clear as day that Aqua is just worried he might get himself killed again. Besides, she can take care of any undead(even a horde) that appears before her so Aqua going with Kazuma actually helps him more(my opinion tho). When Kazuma blamed Aqua about the matter I remember those teammates when I play MobA(League or DotA) that complains that they died because *insert ridiculous reasons here* even if you are not at fault why they died(I hope you understand what I'm saying xD). Yeah. :) But Kazuma is doing a "maybe situation", maybe if Aqua did not follow him, he might not have to encounter those undead horde. XD |
Mar 26, 2016 7:09 AM
#187
Huex3 said: testamentKAISER said: Huex3 said: Laionidas said: tubers said: I think on a few times, he was just mean like when Aqua arrived with extra food from somewhere then Kazuma ragged on her as being useless... but LOL when she crocodile teared the next day :P Yeah, I didn't like that part either, and commented on it before. I guess it happened at least a few times the other way around too though, and let's not forget that had Aqua showed some restraint, the entire party would have been loaded by now (city walls incident). I do think Kazuma and Aqua are in fact very close. Whenever he reflects on how he likes his life, even with or especially with his useless teammates, he always thinks of Aqua first (and often only). We're just not used to a main male character who is himself a tsundere. I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. It's a shame they skipped the chapter where Kazuma tried to solo a dungeon. Aqua actually showed her good side that time but in the end Kazuma still bullied her. Because Kazuma learned 1 annoying passive ability of Aqua... She is an undead magnet. XD To be honest that's not really her fault. She simply doesn't know about herself being an undead magnet because of her goddess trait. Also it's not like she accompanied Kazuma because she wants to inconvenience him. While it is understandable why Kazuma is irritated of her, it's clear as day that Aqua is just worried he might get himself killed again. Besides, she can take care of any undead(even a horde) that appears before her so Aqua going with Kazuma actually helps him more(my opinion tho). When Kazuma blamed Aqua about the matter I remember those teammates when I play MobA(League or DotA) that complains that they died because *insert ridiculous reasons here* even if you are not at fault why they died(I hope you understand what I'm saying xD). I'm one of those people who believe "just because you don't know what you do doesn't mean you aren't at fault." |
Mar 26, 2016 9:16 AM
#188
fateoffate said: Huex3 said: testamentKAISER said: Huex3 said: Laionidas said: tubers said: I think on a few times, he was just mean like when Aqua arrived with extra food from somewhere then Kazuma ragged on her as being useless... but LOL when she crocodile teared the next day :P Yeah, I didn't like that part either, and commented on it before. I guess it happened at least a few times the other way around too though, and let's not forget that had Aqua showed some restraint, the entire party would have been loaded by now (city walls incident). I do think Kazuma and Aqua are in fact very close. Whenever he reflects on how he likes his life, even with or especially with his useless teammates, he always thinks of Aqua first (and often only). We're just not used to a main male character who is himself a tsundere. I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. It's a shame they skipped the chapter where Kazuma tried to solo a dungeon. Aqua actually showed her good side that time but in the end Kazuma still bullied her. Because Kazuma learned 1 annoying passive ability of Aqua... She is an undead magnet. XD To be honest that's not really her fault. She simply doesn't know about herself being an undead magnet because of her goddess trait. Also it's not like she accompanied Kazuma because she wants to inconvenience him. While it is understandable why Kazuma is irritated of her, it's clear as day that Aqua is just worried he might get himself killed again. Besides, she can take care of any undead(even a horde) that appears before her so Aqua going with Kazuma actually helps him more(my opinion tho). When Kazuma blamed Aqua about the matter I remember those teammates when I play MobA(League or DotA) that complains that they died because *insert ridiculous reasons here* even if you are not at fault why they died(I hope you understand what I'm saying xD). I'm one of those people who believe "just because you don't know what you do doesn't mean you aren't at fault." Until someone else blames you for the exact same reason probably. |
Mar 26, 2016 9:24 AM
#189
testamentKAISER said: Huex3 said: testamentKAISER said: Huex3 said: Laionidas said: tubers said: I think on a few times, he was just mean like when Aqua arrived with extra food from somewhere then Kazuma ragged on her as being useless... but LOL when she crocodile teared the next day :P Yeah, I didn't like that part either, and commented on it before. I guess it happened at least a few times the other way around too though, and let's not forget that had Aqua showed some restraint, the entire party would have been loaded by now (city walls incident). I do think Kazuma and Aqua are in fact very close. Whenever he reflects on how he likes his life, even with or especially with his useless teammates, he always thinks of Aqua first (and often only). We're just not used to a main male character who is himself a tsundere. I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. It's a shame they skipped the chapter where Kazuma tried to solo a dungeon. Aqua actually showed her good side that time but in the end Kazuma still bullied her. Because Kazuma learned 1 annoying passive ability of Aqua... She is an undead magnet. XD To be honest that's not really her fault. She simply doesn't know about herself being an undead magnet because of her goddess trait. Also it's not like she accompanied Kazuma because she wants to inconvenience him. While it is understandable why Kazuma is irritated of her, it's clear as day that Aqua is just worried he might get himself killed again. Besides, she can take care of any undead(even a horde) that appears before her so Aqua going with Kazuma actually helps him more(my opinion tho). When Kazuma blamed Aqua about the matter I remember those teammates when I play MobA(League or DotA) that complains that they died because *insert ridiculous reasons here* even if you are not at fault why they died(I hope you understand what I'm saying xD). Yeah. :) But Kazuma is doing a "maybe situation", maybe if Aqua did not follow him, he might not have to encounter those undead horde. XD You're right. I think his reaction is realistic. Most gamers nowadays acts like that. Anyway he wouldn't encounter Keele the lich too. That guy's story is awesome xD |
Mar 26, 2016 12:07 PM
#190
Huex3 said: testamentKAISER said: Huex3 said: testamentKAISER said: Huex3 said: Laionidas said: tubers said: I think on a few times, he was just mean like when Aqua arrived with extra food from somewhere then Kazuma ragged on her as being useless... but LOL when she crocodile teared the next day :P Yeah, I didn't like that part either, and commented on it before. I guess it happened at least a few times the other way around too though, and let's not forget that had Aqua showed some restraint, the entire party would have been loaded by now (city walls incident). I do think Kazuma and Aqua are in fact very close. Whenever he reflects on how he likes his life, even with or especially with his useless teammates, he always thinks of Aqua first (and often only). We're just not used to a main male character who is himself a tsundere. I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. It's a shame they skipped the chapter where Kazuma tried to solo a dungeon. Aqua actually showed her good side that time but in the end Kazuma still bullied her. Because Kazuma learned 1 annoying passive ability of Aqua... She is an undead magnet. XD To be honest that's not really her fault. She simply doesn't know about herself being an undead magnet because of her goddess trait. Also it's not like she accompanied Kazuma because she wants to inconvenience him. While it is understandable why Kazuma is irritated of her, it's clear as day that Aqua is just worried he might get himself killed again. Besides, she can take care of any undead(even a horde) that appears before her so Aqua going with Kazuma actually helps him more(my opinion tho). When Kazuma blamed Aqua about the matter I remember those teammates when I play MobA(League or DotA) that complains that they died because *insert ridiculous reasons here* even if you are not at fault why they died(I hope you understand what I'm saying xD). Yeah. :) But Kazuma is doing a "maybe situation", maybe if Aqua did not follow him, he might not have to encounter those undead horde. XD You're right. I think his reaction is realistic. Most gamers nowadays acts like that. Anyway he wouldn't encounter Keele the lich too. That guy's story is awesome xD He also won't deal with another boss in volume 3. |
Mar 26, 2016 7:55 PM
#191
fateoffate said: Huex3 said: testamentKAISER said: Huex3 said: testamentKAISER said: Huex3 said: Laionidas said: tubers said: I think on a few times, he was just mean like when Aqua arrived with extra food from somewhere then Kazuma ragged on her as being useless... but LOL when she crocodile teared the next day :P Yeah, I didn't like that part either, and commented on it before. I guess it happened at least a few times the other way around too though, and let's not forget that had Aqua showed some restraint, the entire party would have been loaded by now (city walls incident). I do think Kazuma and Aqua are in fact very close. Whenever he reflects on how he likes his life, even with or especially with his useless teammates, he always thinks of Aqua first (and often only). We're just not used to a main male character who is himself a tsundere. I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. It's a shame they skipped the chapter where Kazuma tried to solo a dungeon. Aqua actually showed her good side that time but in the end Kazuma still bullied her. Because Kazuma learned 1 annoying passive ability of Aqua... She is an undead magnet. XD To be honest that's not really her fault. She simply doesn't know about herself being an undead magnet because of her goddess trait. Also it's not like she accompanied Kazuma because she wants to inconvenience him. While it is understandable why Kazuma is irritated of her, it's clear as day that Aqua is just worried he might get himself killed again. Besides, she can take care of any undead(even a horde) that appears before her so Aqua going with Kazuma actually helps him more(my opinion tho). When Kazuma blamed Aqua about the matter I remember those teammates when I play MobA(League or DotA) that complains that they died because *insert ridiculous reasons here* even if you are not at fault why they died(I hope you understand what I'm saying xD). Yeah. :) But Kazuma is doing a "maybe situation", maybe if Aqua did not follow him, he might not have to encounter those undead horde. XD You're right. I think his reaction is realistic. Most gamers nowadays acts like that. Anyway he wouldn't encounter Keele the lich too. That guy's story is awesome xD He also won't deal with another boss in volume 3. He still will, Vanir was sent by the demon king to Axel because they defeated Dullahan. Vanir's plan was to save money then build a dungeon for himself, it's probably actually better for them to detect him earlier, they'd have a more difficult time dealing with him if Vanir had more time to prepare. |
Mar 27, 2016 3:58 AM
#192
Huex3 said: testamentKAISER said: Huex3 said: testamentKAISER said: Huex3 said: Laionidas said: tubers said: I think on a few times, he was just mean like when Aqua arrived with extra food from somewhere then Kazuma ragged on her as being useless... but LOL when she crocodile teared the next day :P Yeah, I didn't like that part either, and commented on it before. I guess it happened at least a few times the other way around too though, and let's not forget that had Aqua showed some restraint, the entire party would have been loaded by now (city walls incident). I do think Kazuma and Aqua are in fact very close. Whenever he reflects on how he likes his life, even with or especially with his useless teammates, he always thinks of Aqua first (and often only). We're just not used to a main male character who is himself a tsundere. I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. It's a shame they skipped the chapter where Kazuma tried to solo a dungeon. Aqua actually showed her good side that time but in the end Kazuma still bullied her. Because Kazuma learned 1 annoying passive ability of Aqua... She is an undead magnet. XD To be honest that's not really her fault. She simply doesn't know about herself being an undead magnet because of her goddess trait. Also it's not like she accompanied Kazuma because she wants to inconvenience him. While it is understandable why Kazuma is irritated of her, it's clear as day that Aqua is just worried he might get himself killed again. Besides, she can take care of any undead(even a horde) that appears before her so Aqua going with Kazuma actually helps him more(my opinion tho). When Kazuma blamed Aqua about the matter I remember those teammates when I play MobA(League or DotA) that complains that they died because *insert ridiculous reasons here* even if you are not at fault why they died(I hope you understand what I'm saying xD). Yeah. :) But Kazuma is doing a "maybe situation", maybe if Aqua did not follow him, he might not have to encounter those undead horde. XD You're right. I think his reaction is realistic. Most gamers nowadays acts like that. Anyway he wouldn't encounter Keele the lich too. That guy's story is awesome xD That story is bittersweet. I love it. :) About the Vanir part... They might. Also Vanir is shown bullying WiZ easily when it comes to the business, i think Vanir-bro could not handle Kazuma and his party, with an angry Wiz (if he harm some civilians... ), Yunyun is also a formidable opponent. :) Cheat swordmaster may be too much for him too... XD Also just learned his seiyuu is the one who voiced 8man... :3 |
Mar 27, 2016 7:07 AM
#193
testamentKAISER said: Huex3 said: testamentKAISER said: Huex3 said: testamentKAISER said: Huex3 said: Laionidas said: tubers said: I think on a few times, he was just mean like when Aqua arrived with extra food from somewhere then Kazuma ragged on her as being useless... but LOL when she crocodile teared the next day :P Yeah, I didn't like that part either, and commented on it before. I guess it happened at least a few times the other way around too though, and let's not forget that had Aqua showed some restraint, the entire party would have been loaded by now (city walls incident). I do think Kazuma and Aqua are in fact very close. Whenever he reflects on how he likes his life, even with or especially with his useless teammates, he always thinks of Aqua first (and often only). We're just not used to a main male character who is himself a tsundere. I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. It's a shame they skipped the chapter where Kazuma tried to solo a dungeon. Aqua actually showed her good side that time but in the end Kazuma still bullied her. Because Kazuma learned 1 annoying passive ability of Aqua... She is an undead magnet. XD To be honest that's not really her fault. She simply doesn't know about herself being an undead magnet because of her goddess trait. Also it's not like she accompanied Kazuma because she wants to inconvenience him. While it is understandable why Kazuma is irritated of her, it's clear as day that Aqua is just worried he might get himself killed again. Besides, she can take care of any undead(even a horde) that appears before her so Aqua going with Kazuma actually helps him more(my opinion tho). When Kazuma blamed Aqua about the matter I remember those teammates when I play MobA(League or DotA) that complains that they died because *insert ridiculous reasons here* even if you are not at fault why they died(I hope you understand what I'm saying xD). Yeah. :) But Kazuma is doing a "maybe situation", maybe if Aqua did not follow him, he might not have to encounter those undead horde. XD You're right. I think his reaction is realistic. Most gamers nowadays acts like that. Anyway he wouldn't encounter Keele the lich too. That guy's story is awesome xD That story is bittersweet. I love it. :) About the Vanir part... They might. Also Vanir is shown bullying WiZ easily when it comes to the business, i think Vanir-bro could not handle Kazuma and his party, with an angry Wiz (if he harm some civilians... ), Yunyun is also a formidable opponent. :) Cheat swordmaster may be too much for him too... XD Also just learned his seiyuu is the one who voiced 8man... :3 I think that's part of Vanir-bro's plan right? he was quitting the demon king army after all. I think he and Wiz explained it after they defeated him. That time we saw how strong Darkness is if her attacks actually hits xD |
Mar 27, 2016 3:15 PM
#194
My effort to conceal the boss's name is in vain, I guess. |
Mar 27, 2016 3:49 PM
#195
Damn le feminist message is hilarious as usual. Kazuma bullying Aqua is more or less legit, she is quite the idiot and mocks Kazuma pretty damn often, how anyone can think it's perfectly fine for her to make fun of him but when he is the one doing it it's downright sexism is beyond me, dem double standards. |
Mar 30, 2016 9:17 PM
#196
ichii_1 said: Kazuma constantly keeps calling her stupid and making fun of her really low intelligence and shallowness. But Aqua doesn't act like a retarded person. She acts like a normal girl from this generation. Plus her being sexualized like that's the only good thing about her lead to my point that: the whole thing is the author's social commentary and fetish on belittling those types of girls. Guess some girls made fun of him/her, dumped him or something. Thoughts? The most insulting part of this "issue" was saying that girls of this generation are all like Aqua |
Apr 6, 2016 8:10 AM
#197
Apr 6, 2016 8:44 PM
#198
I don't get why people are so spiteful about this. Complaining about slapstick and verbal abuse in a comedy anime? lol The same thing happens in like 10000 other animes. And btw I don't see people calling tsundere girls sexist for abusing the dudes either. |
Apr 7, 2016 6:32 PM
#199
first episode you find out she has low intelligence based on her skill readings tho.. wait a minute, when did sensitive tumblr find it's way to the MAL forums? |
Jun 16, 2016 10:53 AM
#200
Aqua is a retarded character /thread |
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