Konosuba: God's Blessing on This Wonderful World! (light novel)
| AHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHHA Ratohnhaketon said: Someone, please save me from these people who can't take a joke! I'm going to lose my mind. Are you stupid?The whole anime is clearly a subliminal message of sexual discrimination!!Baka! |
| I don't read the LN but all I can say that there is no one, absolutely no one deserves to be treated more badly than Aqua. — She is extremely rude. She made a mockery of Kazuma's death — She is a prick. She is only ever thinking why she must to be worshiped — She is all talk. She makes life harder for Kazuma when she was supposed to make it easier — She is unbelievably selfish. She only thinks about how to hog all (or majority) of the reward money — She has double standards. She only talks about equal share when there is debt, not to mention she was the reason for it — She lacks self respect. She is arrogant in one second (belittling Kazuma) and desperate in the next (clinging on to Kazuma) This is not about discrimination. This isn't even about abuse. This is well deserved and I like it the way it is. :) |
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| ^were all on topic :( @azanimefan I noticed you didn't even take into account the amount of times Aqua saved everyone (they turned evil but is that her fault? why don't blame the system?) and gets shit in return and treated like garbage, there is a clear contradiction and bias there, saving/reviving people = useless/debt |
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| Has to be a troll right? I think the only reason I log onto MAL now is for a dose of CherryLover. CherryLover said: Of course we aren't implying that all women who do not support our ideals for equal rights are outcasts. They just haven't understood the importance of feminism yet Seriously, I can't stop laughing. Too fucking good. |
ichii_1 said: ^were all on topic :( @azanimefan I noticed you didn't even take into account the amount of times Aqua saved everyone (they turned evil but is that her fault? why don't blame the system?) and gets shit in return and treated like garbage, there is a clear contradiction and bias there, saving/reviving people = useless/debt Low luck. Basically everything Aqua do will come back to bite her. All other Gods are sick of her being arrogant jackass so they get rid of her when they get the chance. You can even say that Kazuma choosing her is due to her bad luck. And as everyone said, author self-insert is not Kazuma. The author made both Kazuma and Aqua jackass for fun. Author self-insert is someone from Megumin's clans. The character is an aspiring chuuni writer. Guess what kind of anime is this? Why the fuck you take everything in comedy anime seriously anyway? Triggered because your life is similar to Aqua? Before you spout Aqua is held back by author nonsense again, I will tell you everyone get hold back by something too so shut up. |
fateoffateFeb 25, 2016 10:39 AM
azanimefan said: LazyLuong said: That's quite the insightful post azanimefan, I enjoyed reading it =) NP; I probably took the feminist outrage too seriously. Personally I mostly think the "sexism" complaints are more a meme or form of moderate trolling then anything else. They're certainly shallow complaints compared to what a real tried and true feminist would be offended by in anime. Frankly this is a horrible form of entertainment for feminists or christians to find fun watching, as nothing about anime is particularly feminist or christian. Japan lags behind the west BADLY in women's rights, and it bleeds into most of their media, especially anime. The few "true" feminists I know and have known can't even sit through 5 minutes of pretty much any anime before becoming so offended and disgusted they won't watch anymore; so the idea that Konosuba is so unpalatable to feminists while the rest of the series airing this season get a pass strikes me as fake outrage GG, bro. I'm glad someone realized sexism and misogyny exist even when there aren't insults flinging or women being beaten. Sexism can be present even within a "gentlemen." I do, however, believe it's possible for a woman to support sexism and misogyny despite their gender. Not to the benefit of their group as with the creators of other isms, I think. The idea of the male hero always saving the girl and being a gentleman at all times in spite of the nature of the girl can be seen as very sexist. It reduces the heroine to the position of a valuable commodity that needs to be obtained and protected in order for the male hero to assert his moral character. He is always righteous, she is always attracted to him, he is always defined by his deeds, she is always defined by her worth in his eyes, etc. A helpless princess in a castle being saved by a knight in shining armor can be just as "sexist" as a male and female soldier from two warring nations ripping each other apart. I think it's not how the female character is treated but rather how she is treated because she is female. I do believe that sexism and misogyny is a serious problem in all places in the world including Japan and the United States (don't feed me the bullshit about how we're a developed country, tech/resources =/= racial/gender equality). And whether we realize it or not even as a male it can have devastating consequences on us as well, be it you're the son of a single mother who makes less as a woman than as a man, you having to sit through the pain of having a bunch of people asking your girlfriend what she was wearing at the time of said rape or how many drinks she had, or why you weren't with you. And let's not forget all of the societal expectations that force men into a mold of stoicism that restricts them from properly regulation their emotions that don't equate with anger, or dominance. The idea there isn't only superiority and strength and weakness doesn't exist within a "real" man, anything less makes you less than a human being in the eyes of others, including women. Sorry for the rant, I think Konasuba has sexist elements in it not unlike pretty much all works when you think about it, be it costumes, the goals of female characters, the satellite effect among men, or the inevitable nerf of character many seem to get once they fall in love. The blinkered perception some feminist have regarding certain topics doesn't disqualify the movement to it's core, it just shows how comfortable some have gotten with the "conveniences" that are, in fact sexist and fail to realize it. |
QWERTYFish25Feb 25, 2016 11:23 AM
azanimefan said: LazyLuong said: That's quite the insightful post azanimefan, I enjoyed reading it =) NP; I probably took the feminist outrage too seriously. Personally I mostly think the "sexism" complaints are more a meme or form of moderate trolling then anything else. They're certainly shallow complaints compared to what a real tried and true feminist would be offended by in anime. Frankly this is a horrible form of entertainment for feminists or christians to find fun watching, as nothing about anime is particularly feminist or christian. Japan lags behind the west BADLY in women's rights, and it bleeds into most of their media, especially anime. The few "true" feminists I know and have known can't even sit through 5 minutes of pretty much any anime before becoming so offended and disgusted they won't watch anymore; so the idea that Konosuba is so unpalatable to feminists while the rest of the series airing this season get a pass strikes me as fake outrage I'd love to hear why you think, for instance, ERASED is so much more sexist than Konosuba (which I don't think is particularly sexist) |
asaspades said: azanimefan said: NP; I probably took the feminist outrage too seriously. Personally I mostly think the "sexism" complaints are more a meme or form of moderate trolling then anything else. They're certainly shallow complaints compared to what a real tried and true feminist would be offended by in anime. Frankly this is a horrible form of entertainment for feminists or christians to find fun watching, as nothing about anime is particularly feminist or christian. Japan lags behind the west BADLY in women's rights, and it bleeds into most of their media, especially anime. The few "true" feminists I know and have known can't even sit through 5 minutes of pretty much any anime before becoming so offended and disgusted they won't watch anymore; so the idea that Konosuba is so unpalatable to feminists while the rest of the series airing this season get a pass strikes me as fake outrage I'd love to hear why you think, for instance, ERASED is so much more sexist than Konosuba (which I don't think is particularly sexist) I haven't watched that, not to slide off-topic but what would be the key sexist things regarding that anime? |
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QWERTYFish25 said: asaspades said: I'd love to hear why you think, for instance, ERASED is so much more sexist than Konosuba (which I don't think is particularly sexist) I haven't watched that, not to slide off-topic but what would be the key sexist things regarding that anime? Minor spoilers: I assume it's mainly that the MC (a guy) goes back in time to save a girl from his class who was killed (and his mother by extension, since she ends up being killed by the same person in the future). It's a little bit damsel in distress but it's executed effectively, and I don't think a trope is sexist in and of itself. I was just curious since he mentioned it was more sexist than Konosuba which is a criticism of Erased I haven't seen before. |
| Ah, I figured, that's a tough one. I think as long as the creator doesn't try their damn-est to make the female least unnecessarily helpless or dependent on the male lead I think it's alright. I mean if the main girl is a 10-yea-marine vet and the guy is some stereotypical nerd there shouldn't be a reason he outdoes her in her own field. Granted if he is a "nerd" and depending on her precise job in the service there could be many ways for him to stand out in his own right in terms of ability or character. The contrast could him softening her up after years of war, rather than the typical other way around (like beauty and the beast But then again he was a selfish prick and she had a considerable level of independence that didn't seem to waver like with other characters.) I dunno, If I were to write a story I would try to avert gender roles unless the time period justifies it (1600s Europe, feudal Japan etc.) That's not say that Every character should lean away from femininity and every man should avoid to masculinity, to some degree, no mater how perfect a world is it has standards and cultural norms that persist, even in the near future. But what I do notice is male character are given much more should room in that regard. A man can be a her, a coward, a villain, or a regular person, where as a woman, is fitted into this role with some kind of catch, if they're not the villain they're often from exceptional circumstances. For instance; being the daughter of a noble or powerful family who had no male heirs and therefore she not only has to take up the role but overcompensate to quirky levels. There is some truth in this thanks to sexism in itself. Sadly, fiction is often a mirror of our surroundings. As I was saying gender roles wouldn't exist in a work of mine unless it was consistent to the setting or a particular plot. In my story the royal family of one of the countries is matrilineal, and the people of said country by comparison to others don't see women as helpless things that need to be secured. Nearly 40% of of their military are women. This, of course doesn't make the setting sexist proof but it does allow a greater variety of female roles ranging from the "normal" ones to the less common ones such as combat soldiers and female autocrats. |
QWERTYFish25Feb 25, 2016 1:28 PM
azanimefan said: I'd prefer not to play oppression Olympics with regards the problems which may be unique to us from time to time. I get what you're saying but there a bit of a problem with that logic, when I mentioned sexism being a first world problem I didn't mean it as a problem exclusive to those type of places. People here are more vocal about it because there's a tad more support, less risk (on average) and better networking. It's not a foreign, outlandish comcept. Much like how white people are kissing MLK's ass as he turns over in his grave to the last lingering thoughts of what he considered towards the end of his life the march into "a burning house" Those same kind of people would be the one's spitting in the faces of boycotters. Now even the most conservative Right-wing won't argure MLK was right in the end, that's the comfort zone the face of white people in America have acquired. The same thing can be said regarding sexism among other things. I wouldn't regard social justice as nonsense in the least, especially considering literally the same percentage of white people who believed racial equality was a reality back in the 50s and 60s say the same thing today. You wouldn't be taken serious as a human being if you said that about the 60s now.asaspades said: I'd love to hear why you think, for instance, ERASED is so much more sexist than Konosuba (which I don't think is particularly sexist) see this post QWERTYFish25 said: Sexism can be present even within a "gentlemen." I do, however, believe it's possible for a woman to support sexism and misogyny despite their gender. Not to the benefit of their group as with the creators of other isms, I think. The idea of the male hero always saving the girl and being a gentleman at all times in spite of the nature of the girl can be seen as very sexist. It reduces the heroine to the position of a valuable commodity that needs to be obtained and protected in order for the male hero to assert his moral character. He is always righteous, she is always attracted to him, he is always defined by his deeds, she is always defined by her worth in his eyes, etc. A helpless princess in a castle being saved by a knight in shining armor can be just as "sexist" as a male and female soldier from two warring nations ripping each other apart. I think it's not how the female character is treated but rather how she is treated because she is female. sums up why Erased is sexist pretty well. Now understand, When i was talking about other anime triggering feminist outrage, I wasn't supporting the outrage in the least. The USA has enough issues far more pressing then some lingering sexisum, if you've ever been homeless and hungry you learn very quickly how little any of this SJW nonsense matters in the grand scheme of things. It's like complaining about the toothache when you just had your arm chopped off. Sure the toothache sucks but there are far greater issues of concern in daily american life then to spend time getting angry over a japanese cartoon treating cartoon characters badly. Especially when it's done strictly for laughs. When you get a shotgun shoved in your face and a roomate is dead on the floor from that same shotgun and same gunman all over a robbery of < $20; you'll realize just how nonsensical most people's daily concerns and outrages are truly a first world problem. While I do understand there are more dire things in the moment of their that are rampant in our world we also have to understand that they have a root. Things like entertainment are often one of the biggest contributors of our thoughts and take on reality, even when we know them to be an exaggeration we still use them as a relative point for understanding things. And so the conveyance of media is a major player in how both men and women treat...well men and women. While I do believe the arguing over how sexist Kona Suba is is fruitless, flawed, and blinkered towards the anime industry as a whole I still do believe there is some significance towards the thoughts about it. My beef is how selective the complaints are towards this. I also believe people have a right to gripe about anything they feel is rigged or unnecessary. That's not to say talk about racism and oppression while you're performing open-heart surgery or something. But I don't believe the extent of suffering a human being may experience on the other side of the globe somehow invalidates what one may being try to do in order to make life more enjoyable, for all we know there may be a connection to it all. |
| I get the point of Aqua being bullied, perhaps sometimes too much, but I really don't see where her gender comes into play. Kazuma calls her lazy, selfish, and a good for nothing, and bullies her because of that. That could apply to a guy all the same, and the other two girls actually tend to agree with him: did no one notice Darkness staring at Aqua in episode 10 when they needed more mana? In fact, this thread exists because people tend to think they should go easy on Aqua because "she's still a girl". That's not how equality works. If Aqua was a male character this thread would not have existed, and you know it. We'd get comment like "poor sod", "lol, lol, lol, Aqua getting trolled again", and that'd be the end of it. Regarding Aqua in the cage, again the other girls had the same stance on it as Kazuma, and Aqua wasn't traumatised. Real trauma doesn't dissappear after a quarter of an episode, after someone comes around that worships you as a goddess. It only served to underscore Aqua's haughtiness. Kazuma also said that specific episode that he just doesn't care about gender, and will strike against people if they have it coming, using whatever he can against them. I actually like Aqua as a character, I still ship Kazuma x Aqua, and I do think she's bullied too much sometimes, but really feminism and gender have nothing to do with it. azanimefan said: asaspades said: I'd love to hear why you think, for instance, ERASED is so much more sexist than Konosuba (which I don't think is particularly sexist) see this post QWERTYFish25 said: (...) sums up why Erased is sexist pretty well. But then,.. what about Hiromi? |
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tubers said: I think on a few times, he was just mean like when Aqua arrived with extra food from somewhere then Kazuma ragged on her as being useless... but LOL when she crocodile teared the next day :P Yeah, I didn't like that part either, and commented on it before. I guess it happened at least a few times the other way around too though, and let's not forget that had Aqua showed some restraint, the entire party would have been loaded by now (city walls incident). I do think Kazuma and Aqua are in fact very close. Whenever he reflects on how he likes his life, even with or especially with his useless teammates, he always thinks of Aqua first (and often only). We're just not used to a main male character who is himself a tsundere. |
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Huex3 said: I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. The fact that heaven immediately got rid of her once they got the chance (by Kazuma choosing Aqua as his "special power") is actually the strongest evidence of Aqua losing her Godhood status :P (though that doesn't mean she will lose her God power. As long as the Axis cult stands strong & worships her, there simply no way she will run out of God power.) But Aqua x Kazuma is a different thing. It actually has no relation to whether Aqua retains her status as Goddess or not. (The writer can simply develop the plot that way. We've seen it millions of times, in many literature, Japanese or non-Japanese.) But it's still a difficult thing to happen. But I do think that there will be an Aqua x Kazuma development. |
| Existence of this thread screams of fucking FemiNazis... 99.9% of anime, it's okay for a girl to abuse the male MC for literary nothing. But 0.1% of anime, if a girl is abused (in this case, is this actually abuse) by male MC for valid reasons, it's pitchfork time. |
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| imo Aqua gets bullied mainly because she is stupid. |
Huex3 said: Revvie-chan said: The fact that heaven immediately got rid of her once they got the chance (by Kazuma choosing Aqua as his "special power") is actually the strongest evidence of Aqua losing her Godhood status :P (though that doesn't mean she will lose her God power. As long as the Axis cult stands strong & worships her, there simply no way she will run out of God power.) But Aqua x Kazuma is a different thing. It actually has no relation to whether Aqua retains her status as Goddess or not. (The writer can simply develop the plot that way. We've seen it millions of times, in many literature, Japanese or non-Japanese.) But it's still a difficult thing to happen. But I do think that there will be an Aqua x Kazuma development. Sorry but how far are you in the Light Novels? You've read it right? since anime is over, Il think talking this here now won't really be that much of a spoiler. But still I keep to the rules of using spoiler tags. Nah, only as far what we, the international community, already have |
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Huex3 said: Laionidas said: Yeah, I didn't like that part either, and commented on it before. I guess it happened at least a few times the other way around too though, and let's not forget that had Aqua showed some restraint, the entire party would have been loaded by now (city walls incident). I do think Kazuma and Aqua are in fact very close. Whenever he reflects on how he likes his life, even with or especially with his useless teammates, he always thinks of Aqua first (and often only). We're just not used to a main male character who is himself a tsundere. I think Aqua x Kazuma is only possible if Aqua loses her godhood. In fact it's very possible she will. Remember she broke the rules of heaven to revive Kazuma. It's a shame they skipped the chapter where Kazuma tried to solo a dungeon. Aqua actually showed her good side that time but in the end Kazuma still bullied her. Because Kazuma learned 1 annoying passive ability of Aqua... She is an undead magnet. XD |
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Huex3 said: testamentKAISER said: Because Kazuma learned 1 annoying passive ability of Aqua... She is an undead magnet. XD To be honest that's not really her fault. She simply doesn't know about herself being an undead magnet because of her goddess trait. Also it's not like she accompanied Kazuma because she wants to inconvenience him. While it is understandable why Kazuma is irritated of her, it's clear as day that Aqua is just worried he might get himself killed again. Besides, she can take care of any undead(even a horde) that appears before her so Aqua going with Kazuma actually helps him more(my opinion tho). When Kazuma blamed Aqua about the matter I remember those teammates when I play MobA(League or DotA) that complains that they died because *insert ridiculous reasons here* even if you are not at fault why they died(I hope you understand what I'm saying xD). Yeah. :) But Kazuma is doing a "maybe situation", maybe if Aqua did not follow him, he might not have to encounter those undead horde. XD |
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Huex3 said: testamentKAISER said: Because Kazuma learned 1 annoying passive ability of Aqua... She is an undead magnet. XD To be honest that's not really her fault. She simply doesn't know about herself being an undead magnet because of her goddess trait. Also it's not like she accompanied Kazuma because she wants to inconvenience him. While it is understandable why Kazuma is irritated of her, it's clear as day that Aqua is just worried he might get himself killed again. Besides, she can take care of any undead(even a horde) that appears before her so Aqua going with Kazuma actually helps him more(my opinion tho). When Kazuma blamed Aqua about the matter I remember those teammates when I play MobA(League or DotA) that complains that they died because *insert ridiculous reasons here* even if you are not at fault why they died(I hope you understand what I'm saying xD). I'm one of those people who believe "just because you don't know what you do doesn't mean you aren't at fault." |
Huex3 said: testamentKAISER said: Yeah. :) But Kazuma is doing a "maybe situation", maybe if Aqua did not follow him, he might not have to encounter those undead horde. XD You're right. I think his reaction is realistic. Most gamers nowadays acts like that. Anyway he wouldn't encounter Keele the lich too. That guy's story is awesome xD He also won't deal with another boss in volume 3. |
Huex3 said: testamentKAISER said: Yeah. :) But Kazuma is doing a "maybe situation", maybe if Aqua did not follow him, he might not have to encounter those undead horde. XD You're right. I think his reaction is realistic. Most gamers nowadays acts like that. Anyway he wouldn't encounter Keele the lich too. That guy's story is awesome xD That story is bittersweet. I love it. :) About the Vanir part... They might. Also Vanir is shown bullying WiZ easily when it comes to the business, i think Vanir-bro could not handle Kazuma and his party, with an angry Wiz (if he harm some civilians... ), Yunyun is also a formidable opponent. :) Cheat swordmaster may be too much for him too... XD Also just learned his seiyuu is the one who voiced 8man... :3 |
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| My effort to conceal the boss's name is in vain, I guess. |
| Damn le feminist message is hilarious as usual. Kazuma bullying Aqua is more or less legit, she is quite the idiot and mocks Kazuma pretty damn often, how anyone can think it's perfectly fine for her to make fun of him but when he is the one doing it it's downright sexism is beyond me, dem double standards. |
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| This topic is gold. I'll be bookmarking this for some laughs in the near future. I'm counting on you, CherryLover and Ichii (can't remember spelling off the top of my head but I'm sure it's clear who I'm referring to, right? Lol. |
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| Aqua is a retarded character /thread |
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