Diamond no Ace: Second Season Episode 50 Discussion

Actrion said:
I want the new guys to join already, close the match Furuya and gimme third season! :D

StormBoi said:


No 3rd season for a good couple years!

Second part of the manga barely started (20 or so chapters)

murasaki__ said:
It's so frustrating that Eijun was replaced. Arrgh!

FatefulLove said:
With this and Haikyuu ending quite soon, such good sports anime is going to be missed until a new season comes.

MahadoKusanagi said:
Is it me or is Furuya for some people an annoying character with things like "Furuya stealing all the glory (again)" and "To much focus on Furuya" or whatnot. I dont get it.
I think Furuya is way more interesting than Sawamura. I think even Kawakami has more to tell than Sawamura. Oh well, Furuya should end this game, i think Kataoka made the right decission for the team.



Well, at least it was announced that Haikyuu is appearantely getting a third season this year, Diamond no Ace Season 3 is.............nowhere to be seen yet. And if that, then the upcoming soccer anime "All Out" could be neat, even more when MADHOUSE is working on it if i am not mistaken.

Rio_Pascua said:


That's just you. Eijun is a very fleshed out character that still has a lot of development to do.

Rio_Pascua said:
Okay, I understand that putting Furuya as a sort of surprise is logical but it doesn't take away the bitterness. Especially considering a few things.

This is the finale (of the first part) of both the manga and the anime. In fact, this whole game parallels that of the Final game in the summer against Inajitsu. Eijun should have closed the game, the series could've went out with a bang but it destroyed the potential. I don't know about you but it tells me that Eijun is not trusted by Kataoka anymore to close that game. He was replaced by an injured player even though he's at his best. Last summer, he couldn't take the team to nationals because he failed at the last inning. And this time, he couldn't even make up for it.

And if Terajima really wanted it to be a civil switching, why did he have to include a scene of Eijun subtlety despairing at being only a secondary pitcher and having his rival called an Ace right in front of his face. It's just not right. That's the saddest part of the switching and look at all the smug face of the Furuya fans.

When this game ends and only Furuya is remembered despite the efforts of the other two, it doesn't stop the bitterness.

Rio_Pascua said:
When this game ends and only Furuya is remembered despite the efforts of the other two, it doesn't stop the bitterness.

Rio_Pascua said:


I wish I can see it like that. I would love to feel that there is sense in all this suffering. Still, Sawamura should not be dependent on Furuya alone or Miyuki for that matter in order to become the true ace. I'm sure if you're reading part 2 , you'll know Eijun has become more independent without the need to constantly compete with Furuya. The point of this switching is to make the audience feel bitter, that no matter how hard you work there are somethings that are set in stone already. Honestly, what this manga tells is how hard for the status quo to be broken, in this case to snatch the ace number.

As for the reactions of the people, of course these are justified. Furuya is supposedly injured, Eijun did well, mind you there was no doubt in his performance besides Kataoka's thinking that Eijun might mess it up (because that's what it tells us)...and Furuya pitch in the bottom of the lineup. I'm sure that if Furuya is pitching well, he'll never be switched simply because he's the "Ace".The issue here is trust. Of course, I know this series will be a long one and Eijun's struggles are still a great pile but what we're questioning is the decision for the switch. "You're the ace so go finish it", is what Kataoka gave as an explanation. Both Eijun and Furuya asked to pitch and Eijun got sacked. This is where there's something wrong. And there will be differing opinions. But if we're talking about impact and a great finale for a story, it's not just right to end it with Furuya no Ace.

Matty_Ice said:


I highly disagree with your interpretation of Kataoka's reasoning for switching Furuya in. It's not just because "Furuya's the Ace" there's a perfectly logical explanation as well. Look at it like this: You have two options to close out the bottom of the 9th. You have a pitcher who is pitching great through the second half of the game (Sawamura), but he's about to pitch to the same batters for the third time now. Yakushi has a very strong batting lineup no doubt, so there's a strong chance that the batters are starting to get used to Sawamura's pitches.

Or you have a pitcher who is injured, but has been allowed to pitch only one inning (Furuya). He has been preparing ever since Sawamura got switched in for Kawakami, and he has been intimidating Yakushi with his pitches even though he's been in the bullpen. If you choose to switch Furuya in, you're sending in a fresh pitcher and a whole new pitching dynamic to Yakushi. Throughout the game, Yakushi's batters have only been batting against slower pitching players in Kawakami and Sawmaura (I know Sawamura's pitches are fast compared to Kawakami, but Furuya's are on a whole new level). Switching in Furuya, gives the other team pressure because they have to try and get used to Furuya's fastballs with only 3 outs to work with. Which can cause stress and panic for Yakushi. Clearly, Furuya is the better option, because it puts on tons of pressure for Yakushi to try and adapt to a completely different pitcher in Furuya.

This is why I love Ace of Diamond so much, it's a much more team based sports anime. You don't just have the main character playing all the time and making all of the plays. Ace of Diamond takes a methodical approach and weighs its options as for what's better for the team, yet still maintaining a good balance with how they handle Sawamura's main character development. In the end, Sawamura did his part for the game, and now it's up to Furuya to try finish the game, and give Seido the team victory to go to Nationals.

Rio_Pascua said:


Well, I get your point. I did mention that I understand the reasoning behind Furuya being switched in. Still, if you know their history, you'll still think otherwise. Furuya is a slow starter pitcher and has a high percentage of being scored runs. This is a fact and his ERA proves it. Eijun has been an experienced closer and you'll know that he still has another pitch to throw which he only pitched to Raichi once. The next batters are the bottom of the lineup. Saying that Eijun is about to faced the batters 3rd time in a row will make him prone to hits isn't so strong if you factor in the likes of Mei and Sanada. Those people are used to pitching nine innings. And please, don't overrate Yakushi's batters' bottom lineup.

Now, let's get to this. Furuya is supposedly injured and Eijun is at his best. Furuya is preparing since the beginning and Eijun has been getting used to pitching and stable, his pitch count is very safe. Then, Kataoka was thinking about who he TRUSTS more to finish the game. Of course, there are uncertainties. What if Eijun fails, right? But does Kataoka has a plan IF Furuya couldn't deliver? See, it's all about trust. The more logical reasoning is that you let a player who's doing good instead of someone who's injured because you try to minimize the risk. Yes, Furuya was the better choice if you were aiming for a surprise factor but did Kataoka took any chance to explain his supposed decision? He just said he's the ace, and Eijun made a face.

Now, I love Ace more than any other sports anime and this series has stayed realistic so far but this decision doesn't sit well with me. It's as if the author just made this development to make Eijun and the audience suffer. Yes, it's team based and it's better that way. But knowing the history of both characters, there's a much deeper reason as to why Eijun and Furuya verbally requested to play. I'm sorry but what this series has successfully conveyed to the audience is that Furuya is the favored pitcher.

Matty_Ice said:



And that is what i see here "It doesnt sit well with me". That is the key point you are making, delivering arguments but in the end always coming down to "me". Meaning "I would prefer this istead of that even thou this is more logical than that".
I've followed the argument from you two and i have to agree with Matty.
The thing is this, Furuya may be injured, but he is injured in the level IF he goes for two innings instead of one. Now here, he is just going for one inning. Which means he is still fresh and Sawamura isnt since he has been playing for some innings.
Now, he may very well be at the pick of his level now and therefore still wants to play and finish Yakushi off, which is understandable since he wants to improve as well AND Kataoka nows that very well. Kataoka isnt any idiot, he knows very well how his players feel and think, as coaches go in anime, personally i respect Kataoka the most. But Sawamura is not 100% anymore and Sawamura knows that as well, of course he ignores it since he wants to play. Now, Furuya was just warming up until now and was not playing and playing itself costs way more stamina and nerves. Therefore Furuya is still fresh and since Yakushi knows how fearsome Furuya can be, it was only logical to consider Furuya to finish instead of Sawamura.
Yeah, Sawamura was turned down by Kataoka, but he seemed to acknowledge the decission of Kataoka and he himself may be a little selfish.
When Furuya finishes, doesnt mean he is getting all the glory. By that logic, how many times would Kawakami get all the glory for how he often finishes the games?
Then, if Kataoka has 3 Pitchers but only used 2 until now and the third one can still play (for a single inning at full power but still), so why not use the last pitcher? He did the same with Kawakami often, but i dont see you complain about it. Its just because it is the final of the tournament and season 2 and therefore you want to see your favourite character finish everything off?

Rio_Pascua said:

And I guess you only see that last statement, huh? Disregarding all arguments simply because it's an opinion. Huh.

MahadoKusanagi said:


I red your whole post BUT i am only gonna reply to this bit. And the reason is simple. I dont know why you are seemingly taking my post offensively but in a discussion i dont appreciate at all when somebody assumes crap just because whatever. Like assuming that i only saw the last statement when i CLEARLY stated that i've been following your discussion with Matty.
And then immediately writting that i disregard all arguments because its an opinion EVEN THOU i clearly stated that you bring you arguments but in the end still go to the "me" argument. This even thou you wrote "i wish i can see it like that" refering to Matty's arguments for Furuya instead of Sawamura.
The difference here is, as i see it, simple. You and Matty bring the arguments to the table as well as me, but i didnt go the route of "me". Its an opinion? Maybe as well be. But the difference is the actual logic. I never wrote that you dont use it, i am simply not agreeing with it WITHOUT using the "me" argument (yes, i prefer Furuya over Sawamura any day, but in this case i stayed neutral all the time which you didnt by using the "me" argument), since the "me" argument just makes everything worse and almost invalid when logic has the most weight.
You can say that i am wrong or whatever, if you bring logical arguments with it, then i acknowledge that i am wrong if i see that i am wrong. But assuming crap that i meant/wrote/whatever even thou i clearly didnt?
It shows you dont take the discussion seriously (at least with me) and therefore i am not wasting more time with it. Have fun.

MitsukiAkashi said:
miyuki-senpai, don't scare us like that again. you have a tact of giving us heart attacks, you usual crazy bastard. good work to zono. he stood his grounds that led the team to score despite his tenseness. keep fighting on, seido! don't worry eijun, you still have your chances in the near future, no matter how many bitterness and frustrations and other challenges throw your way. i'll keep believing in you.

to the three who are arguing here, please take it somewhere else like a different discussion topic forum. it's literally escalating and not meant to be here. this is an EPISODE discussion topic forum not an argument topic forum for eff sake. if you're not going to talk about the other aspects of episode 50, then please leave this topic discussion and leave your arguments elsewhere. please and thank you.

Matty_Ice said:


LOL, the argument is not even escalating. It stopped before you even posted your comment. I think it's friendly banter that offered valid points for both sides. And if you're going to talk about us not talking about other aspects of the episode, then you might as well tell that to over half the people in this discussion thread as well. Our discussion of the pitching change is literally no different then a lot of people only talking about the "aspect" of Sawamura getting switched and being shafted as the main character. And how the anime always turns into "Furuya no Ace". Besides we're definitely still talking about the episode, especially with what we were talking about seemed to be what everyone else was talking about with the pitching change at the end of the episode. GG

ibear said:
For the argument of Furuya coming in