| Okay so I watched some anime where this happens. What I mean by noodle legs are anime characters with reaaaaally thin legs and long limbs.. For example in Code geass or Special A. If you come across such an anime do you drop it because of this or stick with it? Just curious  |
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| virtually literally the only anime where that happens if anything id like to see more of that |
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| No I don't drop it until It bored me (code geass is one of my favorites) |
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| 10/10 I would recommend the xxxHolic manga over the anime. |
I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
| In Cardcaptor Sakura, also by CLAMP, the teenagers and adults have abnormally long legs. The anime focused on children whose legs were normal so it didn't really matter. |
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i already used by clamp style. so i don't have any problem. this one thou. just lol. |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Well I would still watch it if it was good for other reasons, though I'm definitely not a fan of that art style at all. |
 Ahhh... Is this the blood... The blood of the Dark Soul? |
| 1. I like art by CLAMP 2. Code Geass is my favorite anime 3. I think that art isn't good reason for dropping/not giving some series a chance. Story and characters are much more important. (doesn't only apply to anime, but manga or visual novels too) |
namea said: have you even try to eatch stuff like malice doll or fetsh doll? avoiding something becasu art is totaly understable imho.3. I think that art isn't good reason for dropping/not giving some series a chance. Story and characters are much more important. (doesn't only apply to anime, but manga or visual novels too) |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: i already used by clamp style. so i don't have any problem. this one thou. [img]http://www.animeplus.tv/images/series/small/727.jpg[img] just lol. Oh, my fucking god. I had completely forgotten about this absolutely awful anime and manga. I'm getting mad just thinking about it. |
| I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
| XXXHolic huh ? I tried watching the anime but I couldn't stomach it . I wanted to go for the manga but the chapters were disorganized so I had to stop . Shame too .The beginning was interesting at the very least . |
| Wohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
CrappyGod-sama said: tsundere imouto + loli harem + perfert for nothing mc + unique art = ???/10. totaly masterpiece.Kuma said: i already used by clamp style. so i don't have any problem. this one thou. [img]http://www.animeplus.tv/images/series/small/727.jpg[img] just lol. Oh, my fucking god. I had completely forgotten about this absolutely awful anime and manga. I'm getting mad just thinking about it. |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: namea said: have you even try to eatch stuff like malice doll or fetsh doll? avoiding something becasu art is totaly understable imho.3. I think that art isn't good reason for dropping/not giving some series a chance. Story and characters are much more important. (doesn't only apply to anime, but manga or visual novels too) No, I haven't come across those yet, but for example Ajin is very enjoyable this season, while many people avoid it simply for CGI. Art of Umineko or Higurashi (visual novel) is considered horrible, but the story is simply awesome. Avoiding a story for how it looks like is being superficial. I don't intend to make anybody change their mind in this matter, but the truth is that people may miss interesting stuff with mindset like that. Not like anybody cares. |
Kuma said: I often confuse that anime for "Papa no Iukoto wo Kikinasai!" because of the whole loli harem thing. One of them clearly gets more love, though.CrappyGod-sama said: tsundere imouto + loli harem + perfert for nothing mc + unique art = ???/10. totaly masterpiece.Oh, my fucking god. I had completely forgotten about this absolutely awful anime and manga. I'm getting mad just thinking about it. |
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namea said: it's better to avoid something you obviously dislike. art will you see in the whole series, if you dislike it but still watch it, it's just torture yourself. some people don't have resistance of it and it's understable. why would people looking trash for hours if it not necessary/Kuma said: have you even try to eatch stuff like malice doll or fetsh doll? avoiding something becasu art is totaly understable imho. No, I haven't come across those yet, but for example Ajin is very enjoyable this season, while many people avoid it simply for CGI. Art of Umineko or Higurashi (visual novel) is considered horrible, but the story is simply awesome. Avoiding a story for how it looks like is being superficial. I don't intend to make anybody change their mind in this matter, but the truth is that people may miss interesting stuff with mindset like that. Not like anybody cares. |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| I would never drop an anime for the art, independently of how ridicuous it is. At least the story can be interesting. |
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| It's just an artistic style. Some will like it and some won't that's just the nature of the beast. |
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Kuma said: namea said: it's better to avoid something you obviously dislike. art will you see in the whole series, if you dislike it but still watch it, it's just torture yourself. some people don't have resistance of it and it's understable. why would people looking trash for hours if it not necessary/No, I haven't come across those yet, but for example Ajin is very enjoyable this season, while many people avoid it simply for CGI. Art of Umineko or Higurashi (visual novel) is considered horrible, but the story is simply awesome. Avoiding a story for how it looks like is being superficial. I don't intend to make anybody change their mind in this matter, but the truth is that people may miss interesting stuff with mindset like that. Not like anybody cares. Coming out of your comfort zone can bring huge enjoyment. I also stared at Umineko like "wtf is this o.o" at first, but as I continued reading, I've become fond of that art, surprisingly. When something is unusual, it's natural to feel it's strange and be negative towards it. Once you get used to it, your opinion can change...or not. It's just a possibility. I am not forcing anybody to watch something they dislike, but I encourage broadening one's horizons. |
| I actually can't help but judge the people who drop shows solely because of the art style. I can only sort of understand that, if it's in the case of ecchi/hentai (because visual stimulation) or if the show is giving you headache/seizures, but otherwise it just seems superficial to me. Animation can express so much in so many ways, and ignoring shows simply because the bishonens and bishoujos aren't bi enough just screams VAAAIIIN. And if someone refuses to watch a show solely because the characters look 'too' tall and thin, it makes me wonder if that person is just an insecure fattie triggered by slenderness :P Sorry not sorry. |
| I would never drop a show solely because the characters have noodle legs |
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| I don't see why people think it's so bad to put off watching something because of how much you dislike the art style. What's one of the main differences between a novel and a manga? Pictures. If you dislike the art style to a great extent - and the pictures are an integral part of what makes the medium what it is - then of course people will be discouraged. I mean, nobody here would want to read a 800 page novel that's in broken English, would they? "Wow, you dropped it because the grammar was poor and you couldn't make sense of it? Man that's so superficial." It's one thing if you don't assign a large value to the art style, but acting like other people are wrong for doing so when it's a primarily visual medium is rather strange. I've not dropped any myself, but it did work against my enjoment of a few anime. I found it harder to take the characters in Clannad seriously because half their faces were missing. CG had noodle people too, although I enjoyed every other part of it enough to not care. |
 It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether! It's an entirely different kind of flying. |
| Well, it certainly didn't stop me from watching XXXHolic or Code Geass and liking them a lot. |
| "The name's Gambit. Remember it." -Gambit "X-Men '97"  |
ItsMaz said: I don't see why people think it's so bad to put off watching something because of how much you dislike the art style. What's one of the main differences between a novel and a manga? Pictures. If you dislike the art style to a great extent - and the pictures are an integral part of what makes the medium what it is - then of course people will be discouraged. I mean, nobody here would want to read a 800 page novel that's in broken English, would they? "Wow, you dropped it because the grammar was poor and you couldn't make sense of it? Man that's so superficial." It's one thing if you don't assign a large value to the art style, but acting like other people are wrong for doing so when it's a primarily visual medium is rather strange. I've not dropped any myself, but it did work against my enjoment of a few anime. I found it harder to take the characters in Clannad seriously because half their faces were missing. CG had noodle people too, although I enjoyed every other part of it enough to not care. You're comparing highbrow art to bad grammar here.. Grammar has a few hard & fast rules that determine what is correct & what is not.. Art doesn't have any such rules. Even a fucking paint blot made by a four year old fucking around with paint can be considered art by some of those hipsters .. If it's not your thing then I guess it's acceptable to not watch it but you can't call it bad. And besides, how can you determine the quality of a piece of art if you haven't experienced different types of it? |
GesuYarou said: ItsMaz said: I don't see why people think it's so bad to put off watching something because of how much you dislike the art style. What's one of the main differences between a novel and a manga? Pictures. If you dislike the art style to a great extent - and the pictures are an integral part of what makes the medium what it is - then of course people will be discouraged. I mean, nobody here would want to read a 800 page novel that's in broken English, would they? "Wow, you dropped it because the grammar was poor and you couldn't make sense of it? Man that's so superficial." It's one thing if you don't assign a large value to the art style, but acting like other people are wrong for doing so when it's a primarily visual medium is rather strange. I've not dropped any myself, but it did work against my enjoment of a few anime. I found it harder to take the characters in Clannad seriously because half their faces were missing. CG had noodle people too, although I enjoyed every other part of it enough to not care. You're comparing highbrow art to bad grammar here.. Grammar has a few hard & fast rules that determine what is correct & what is not.. Art doesn't have any such rules. Even a fucking paint blot made by a four year old fucking around with paint can be considered art by some of those hipsters .. If it's not your thing then I guess it's acceptable to not watch it but you can't call it bad. And besides, how can you determine the quality of a piece of art if you haven't experienced different types of it? The reason for the comparison is that people say judging it by the art is superficial since they're not taking the story into account. The same would be true for broken English. I'm not seeing the relevance of the last half of your post. I'm not talking about what is considered art, nor the quality of it. I'm simply going on about whether people enjoy the art style or not. |
It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether! It's an entirely different kind of flying. |
| In my experience, one can quickly get used to an unusual art style, whether it's "Oniichan no Koto..." or Katanagatari. So I would not generally drop a show just because of its art style, unless that art style is particularly atrocious. |
namea said: even like that, people still has prefferance on art style. and there is nothing wrong with that. i just want to said that. avoid them is normal.Kuma said: it's better to avoid something you obviously dislike. art will you see in the whole series, if you dislike it but still watch it, it's just torture yourself. some people don't have resistance of it and it's understable. why would people looking trash for hours if it not necessary/ Coming out of your comfort zone can bring huge enjoyment. I also stared at Umineko like "wtf is this o.o" at first, but as I continued reading, I've become fond of that art, surprisingly. When something is unusual, it's natural to feel it's strange and be negative towards it. Once you get used to it, your opinion can change...or not. It's just a possibility. I am not forcing anybody to watch something they dislike, but I encourage broadening one's horizons. i mean, look at berserk new adaptation. people act almighty that art is useless and visual don't have big effect. but "ewww... cgi sucks!". people are hypocrites. |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Read the manga instead. The artstyle in CLAMP's mangas are gorgeous but it doesn't translate to anime very well. |
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| Ok Code Geass wasn't so bad (it wansnt too exaggerated and I love the anime so I didn't care) Special A was annoying though omfg it made me want to cry. Their legs and arms were so disproportionate. |
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| If it looks awful IMO I drop it. That goes for character design in general, not just legs. |
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Kuma said: namea said: even like that, people still has prefferance on art style. and there is nothing wrong with that. i just want to said that. avoid them is normal.Coming out of your comfort zone can bring huge enjoyment. I also stared at Umineko like "wtf is this o.o" at first, but as I continued reading, I've become fond of that art, surprisingly. When something is unusual, it's natural to feel it's strange and be negative towards it. Once you get used to it, your opinion can change...or not. It's just a possibility. I am not forcing anybody to watch something they dislike, but I encourage broadening one's horizons. i mean, look at berserk new adaptation. people act almighty that art is useless and visual don't have big effect. but "ewww... cgi sucks!". people are hypocrites. So the conclusion we reached is that people are superficial, which I said at the beginning. Judging everything according to visual characteristics, whether it's people or movies, without looking deeper into it, that indeed sounds like nowadays society. But personally, I don't think being superficial should be encouraged by saying it's normal, the world is already rotten enough. Anime is all about story and characters. If it has stunning art, that's a plus, but if it doesn't, it's not an insurmountable obstacle. If the only reason for someone avoiding a show is art, even when they like the premise of the story, they are hopeless. But I certainly don't care much about whether other people miss some interesting show just because they are shallow. Whatever floats their boat. |
namea said: Kuma said: even like that, people still has prefferance on art style. and there is nothing wrong with that. i just want to said that. avoid them is normal. i mean, look at berserk new adaptation. people act almighty that art is useless and visual don't have big effect. but "ewww... cgi sucks!". people are hypocrites. So the conclusion we reached is that people are superficial, which I said at the beginning. Judging everything according to visual characteristics, whether it's people or movies, without looking deeper into it, that indeed sounds like nowadays society. But personally, I don't think being superficial should be encouraged by saying it's normal, the world is already rotten enough. Anime is all about story and characters. If it has stunning art, that's a plus, but if it doesn't, it's not an insurmountable obstacle. If the only reason for someone avoiding a show is art, even when they like the premise of the story, they are hopeless. But I certainly don't care much about whether other people miss some interesting show just because they are shallow. Whatever floats their boat. If all that mattered was story and characters, you wouldn't be watching anime in the first place. You'd be reading novels. |
It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether! It's an entirely different kind of flying. |
| So far I've never came across an anime with that, but it does look unappealing (although I don't think enough to drop an anime only because of that). |
| I think most anime from Clamp have legs like that. I noticed that too with CCS, Code Geass and all. Although other anime do that too but very rarely - Sanji's legs are kinda like that too. |
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ItsMaz said: GesuYarou said: You're comparing highbrow art to bad grammar here.. Grammar has a few hard & fast rules that determine what is correct & what is not.. Art doesn't have any such rules. Even a fucking paint blot made by a four year old fucking around with paint can be considered art by some of those hipsters .. If it's not your thing then I guess it's acceptable to not watch it but you can't call it bad. And besides, how can you determine the quality of a piece of art if you haven't experienced different types of it? The reason for the comparison is that people say judging it by the art is superficial since they're not taking the story into account. The same would be true for broken English. I'm not seeing the relevance of the last half of your post. I'm not talking about what is considered art, nor the quality of it. I'm simply going on about whether people enjoy the art style or not. Okay, yeah. Maybe OP didn't mention anything about quality but either way, not giving an anime a chance just because of it's art style seems vain, doesn't it? But my main point in that post was that a unique art style cannot be equated to broken english. The latter just isn't acceptable. I mean honestly how many novels have you read that had bad grammar? Bad grammar is completely objective which is why it's okay to just dismiss such a piece of writing whereas art style (ie art) is completely subjective. It should be given a chance.. |
GesuYarou said: ItsMaz said: The reason for the comparison is that people say judging it by the art is superficial since they're not taking the story into account. The same would be true for broken English. I'm not seeing the relevance of the last half of your post. I'm not talking about what is considered art, nor the quality of it. I'm simply going on about whether people enjoy the art style or not. Okay, yeah. Maybe OP didn't mention anything about quality but either way, not giving an anime a chance just because of it's art style seems vain, doesn't it? But my main point in that post was that a unique art style cannot be equated to broken english. The latter just isn't acceptable. I mean honestly how many novels have you read that had bad grammar? Bad grammar is completely objective which is why it's okay to just dismiss such a piece of writing whereas art style (ie art) is completely subjective. It should be given a chance.. The point of my comparison was that just as grammar has no bearing on the story or the characters, neither does the art style. Yet it's perfectly fine for you to drop something due to the former, but apparently you can't for the latter. I disagree in that it's vain, because the main difference anime and manga has is that they're visual mediums (and audio in the case of anime). Seeing as the main point of them / main difference between them and novels is the visual part, if someone finds that a story has such an awful (in their eyes) art style then it makes sense for their enjoyment to be hampered by it. |
It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether! It's an entirely different kind of flying. |
ItsMaz said: namea said: So the conclusion we reached is that people are superficial, which I said at the beginning. Judging everything according to visual characteristics, whether it's people or movies, without looking deeper into it, that indeed sounds like nowadays society. But personally, I don't think being superficial should be encouraged by saying it's normal, the world is already rotten enough. Anime is all about story and characters. If it has stunning art, that's a plus, but if it doesn't, it's not an insurmountable obstacle. If the only reason for someone avoiding a show is art, even when they like the premise of the story, they are hopeless. But I certainly don't care much about whether other people miss some interesting show just because they are shallow. Whatever floats their boat. If all that mattered was story and characters, you wouldn't be watching anime in the first place. You'd be reading novels. What kind of argument is that? I like reading novels as much as I like watching anime. Anime, manga or visual novels use visualization to tell the story and I like it, that's why I invest my time into them. But what does the quality of art has to do with the quality of the story? |
ItsMaz said: GesuYarou said: Okay, yeah. Maybe OP didn't mention anything about quality but either way, not giving an anime a chance just because of it's art style seems vain, doesn't it? But my main point in that post was that a unique art style cannot be equated to broken english. The latter just isn't acceptable. I mean honestly how many novels have you read that had bad grammar? Bad grammar is completely objective which is why it's okay to just dismiss such a piece of writing whereas art style (ie art) is completely subjective. It should be given a chance.. The point of my comparison was that just as grammar has no bearing on the story or the characters, neither does the art style. Yet it's perfectly fine for you to drop something due to the former, but apparently you can't for the latter. I disagree in that it's vain, because the main difference anime and manga has is that they're visual mediums (and audio in the case of anime). Seeing as the main point of them / main difference between them and novels is the visual part, if someone finds that a story has such an awful (in their eyes) art style then it makes sense for their enjoyment to be hampered by it. Well I guess not everyone is able to perceive or recognize different art styles but fair play to them really (I bet I sounded really condescending there lol). I guess it's completely normal for someone's enjoyment to be hampered by odd visuals.. |
| So wait, are you guys telling me that its bad for me to not want to watch an anime or read a manga because of its aesthetics? Oh, boy. I must be one shallow person. And that Umineko example is so irrelevant. You're constantly reading text during Umineko. The only thing that matters is the facial expressions and nothing more. You're not watching something for its artistic details and intricacies. You're reading a sound novel. You could read Umineko just as effectively without its pictures. There are no routes nor is there any point in the story that the pictures really detail anything of significance. Everything the pictures provide could be detailed through a line of text. If it's shallow and superficial to not want to spend your time staring at something that you deem ugly and subpar then call me shallow. |
HolybaptiserMar 11, 2016 7:50 AM
| I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
namea said: ItsMaz said: If all that mattered was story and characters, you wouldn't be watching anime in the first place. You'd be reading novels. What kind of argument is that? I like reading novels as much as I like watching anime. Anime, manga or visual novels use visualization to tell the story and I like it, that's why I invest my time into them. But what does the quality of art has to do with the quality of the story? The argument is that anime is a visual and audio medium. They are the main differences when compared to a novel. If one of the main points of anime is absolutely awful to the person who is watching it, then of course they might not necessarily want to watch it, or even drop it. If someone didn't care about the visuals, it'd be better for them to read novels, since all the focus is on the writing there. The whole point of a manga is that it's a load of pictures with a varying amount of minor text accompanying it. If someone didn't like the art style employed they won't feel as inclined to get into the story. It's hardly superficial. |
It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether! It's an entirely different kind of flying. |
| @ItsMaz It's true that everybody has different taste in art. Someone likes cubism, someone impressionism, someone prefers statues over paintings... That kind of art is judged by what people see in front of them. It's usually all about visuals. But there is one big difference between that kind of art and anime. It's the fact that in anime art is only medium to present some kind of story (usually). The story is the main focus, not the visuals. Isn't it true that you would rather watch anime with average art but great story than eye candy with a bad story? Story > art. If someone considers art more important than story, I don't think they spend much time on anime and prefers other kind of hobby. I was just pointing out that people miss an interesting show, if all they look at is visual side. Good example is Sidonia no Kishi or Ajin, which are mainly avoided for CGI. Or older anime, there's ton of people avoiding older series for art. "My eyes are bleeding" sounds pretty superficial. @CrappyGod-sama Is there actually a series you avoid because of art? Even when it kind of sounds like you could enjoy the story? Umineko reference wasn't irrelevant, because it's true people avoided it simply for the art. It doesn't matter what kind of impact, if any, the art has on the story, they didn't give the story a chance for the art itself. Even if it could be one of the best stories they've read. And that's why it's superficial. |
nameaMar 11, 2016 9:03 AM
namea said: If the story is good enough, I'll stick with it, but I find it significantly easier to tolerate a mediocre series with an aesthetic I enjoy than it is to watch the same kind of anime with aesthetics I don't enjoy. Also, for a series to be able to initially overcome its aesthetics and lure in a viewer to venture past its surface, it needs to have an interesting enough premise and a good enough hook for the viewer to want to keep watching/reading. Watching an anime that doesn't interest me enough to make me feel warranted to watch it seems like a silly thing to me - it would become a chore; I need to watch something because someone told me that it was going to be good. If a show can't do that even though the bulk of its content that the story should be judged on is further into the series then I see no harm in dropping it. Trying to label people who don't want to watch it as shallow for caring about "superficial" things is silly. And I put quotation marks around superficial, because I find it funny when people claim that caring about art and animation a lot is superficial when we are watching a medium that is heavily dependent on those things.@CrappyGod-sama Is there actually a series you avoid because of art? Even when it kind of sounds like you could enjoy the story? Edit - Accidentally fused two sentences together when I ctr + backspaced. |
HolybaptiserMar 11, 2016 9:20 AM
| I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
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