| In general Italian anime dubs are way better than American anime dubs If I didn't have the option to watch anime with the original voices and I was forced to choose to only watch anime dubbed in English or any of the languages you mentioned I would go with Italian without question |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
GOTZFAUST said: But German TV is really bad anyways, even quality US shows are not a thing of normality...a show like Breaking Bad gets only 40.000 viewers on a smaller network. While One Piece and Akame Ga Kill on a similarly smaller network get over 100.000 reglularily. really? what is it that is so bad about german TV? also i love that when real, thought provoking discussion everyone complains is gone from the threads finally comes up, it's deserted lol. |
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Comic_Sans said: In general Italian anime dubs are way better than American anime dubs If I didn't have the option to watch anime with the original voices and I was forced to choose to only watch anime dubbed in English or any of the languages you mentioned I would go with Italian without question dammit! I knew I should have learned italian while my grandma was still alive... |
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| Spanish dubs are good sometimes....anyone? no ok. |
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| Thanks for the post. It was interesting. Can't help you out, unfortunately. |
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| One of the most rerun TV franchises in Norway is Moomin. (Muumin) And is (well was) huge in all the Nordic countries. In fact, I don't think Pokémon can ever catch up even though it's in 2nd place. |
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| I found this. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7858 Bleach 2 will also make it big in germany :) |
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Comic_Sans said: do you speak Italian? if so cool, personally i like English dubs but to each there own.In general Italian anime dubs are way better than American anime dubs If I didn't have the option to watch anime with the original voices and I was forced to choose to only watch anime dubbed in English or any of the languages you mentioned I would go with Italian without question |
Comic_Sans said: In general Italian anime dubs are way better than American anime dubs If I didn't have the option to watch anime with the original voices and I was forced to choose to only watch anime dubbed in English or any of the languages you mentioned I would go with Italian without question There are also many unbearable Italian dubs but yeah, we dubbed, like, almost every anime from the 60s and 70s so at least we can say that many Italian voice actors are decent because they have a lot of experience, but the overall dub direction was severely lacking. But that's probably noticeable only if you're Italian. I remember you had a Benigni avatar, anyway. I like when our movies and culture are mentioned in english speaking forums. |
Aria-da-Capo said: I have only heard a few Italian anime dubs from the 60s-70s and of course not all Italian anime dubs I've heard were good, but a good bunch of them were at least decent (my Italian might have become a bit rusty since I don't have the possibility to study it anymore but I listened to some anime dubs when I still knew the language well so I'm positive I know what I'm talking about, even if I don't think you have to know a language to judge the acting – though knowing the language helps of course)There are also many unbearable Italian dubs but yeah, we dubbed, like, almost every anime from the 60s and 70s so at least we can say that many Italian voice actors are decent because they have a lot of experience, but the overall dub direction was severely lacking. But that's probably noticeable only if you're Italian. I remember you had a Benigni avatar, anyway. I like when our movies and culture are mentioned in english speaking forums. That's great to hear |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
TomDay said: GOTZFAUST said: But German TV is really bad anyways, even quality US shows are not a thing of normality...a show like Breaking Bad gets only 40.000 viewers on a smaller network. While One Piece and Akame Ga Kill on a similarly smaller network get over 100.000 reglularily. really? what is it that is so bad about german TV? So, so many things. At least as far as entertainment goes, it produces virtually nothing of value. Most channels either broadcast reality TV or US sitcoms or third rate scripted shows during daytime. Primetime isn't much better. Then again US TV shows, aside from sitcoms, don't really work in Germany. The Sopranos didn't fare very well either in Germany when it came out. German TV is okay as far as information/news goes at least for the public broadcasting stations. At least there is nothing like FOX News or CNN. As far as Anime goes I can't really join the discussion, because I'm German and OP has more or less accurately described Anime in Germany. Some of the big shonen/shojo, Yugi Oh and Beyblade. You get some stuff like Deadman Wonderland or Black Bullet or Highschool of the Dead at nighttime on one channel (Pro7 Maxx). Back during the end of the 90s/beginning of the 21st century there was more than one channel and the variety was a little bigger back then, but not really anything to write home about. |
akisame__ said: We have had a history of anime in the UK: in the mid 90s to the mid 00s Pokémon, Digimon Yu Gi Oh, One Piece, Card Captor Sakura, Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball (and Z) were really popular. A few cable channels also aired Naruto, Inu Yasha, Conan and Lupin. Though the trend died after the main channel that aired anime cancelled its older children slot and replaced it with a slot for babies. Shows like Pokémon can still be watched on channels like CITV. So yeah, whilst anime has had a bit of a history in the UK its been a relatively short one with not much impact. Though, to be fair, the UK is notorious for buying really bad cartoons in general. Only crap like Horrid Henry and Peppa Pig gets aired. CITV - the main place for cartoons - stopped airing Avatar after season 2, randomly. We just don't have the budget to import shows and most of what's on TV is British or American crime drama. Yeah, outside of the biggest and / or longer running franchises, the UK had next to nothing as far as anime is concerned. It especially got worse after Toonami stopped broadcasting in 2007. If memory serves correct Fox Kids / Jetix disappeared not long after. |
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| Older italian dubs are generally of a slightly higher quality compared to the english ones, but the ones for the most recent shows can be embarassing and amateurish. The AoT dub kept all those weird pauses in the middle of sentences that are typical of the japanese language but they just sound awkward in italian, so it was basically unwatchable. Right now we only get Naruto, One Piece and the like on the major channels, while we get stuff like SAO, Steins;Gate and stuff like that on the smaller ones. We also got a decent service for legal streaming recently, which is nice since we can't watch anything on Crunchyroll, but the interface sucks and the selection is still a bit limited. They subbed Ping Pong recently, so there's still hope. |
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-CallMeSenpai- said: Spanish dubs are good sometimes....anyone? no ok. That's at least the case for the dub of Ghibli movies, Cowboy Bebop, Monster and Death note. |
GOTZFAUST said: Lollo36 said: Older italian dubs are generally of a slightly higher quality compared to the english ones, but the ones for the most recent shows can be embarassing and amateurish. The AoT dub kept all those weird pauses in the middle of sentences that are typical of the japanese language but they just sound awkward in italian, so it was basically unwatchable. Right now we only get Naruto, One Piece and the like on the major channels, while we get stuff like SAO, Steins;Gate and stuff like that on the smaller ones. We also got a decent service for legal streaming recently, which is nice since we can't watch anything on Crunchyroll, but the interface sucks and the selection is still a bit limited. They subbed Ping Pong recently, so there's still hope. Was Lupin III in anyway censored or considered children's programming in Italy Nope, but the new Lupin was an exception, the older series were horribly butchered according to italian fans. |
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GOTZFAUST said: I'd love to know more about the history of anime on tv in France, Spain and Italy, as I basicilly only have access to the German and US history of it. Its an interresting subject that is underdiscussed. On my part (Italy), I can say this: first wave of anime in Italy was during the late 70s/early 80s, they were broadcasted both on minor regional channel and major channels. We really dubbed a lot of series. Probably the vast majority of older titles. We had reruns of 60s, 70s and 80s series until the early 00s. Then smaller regional channels closed and the interest moved toward relatively more recent and more popular series like Sailor Moon, Pokémon and Dragon Ball Z. During that period, MTV Italy began to broadcast anime. It was probably the first time when anime aired in Italy just few years after the Japanese broadcast (though also older titles were broadcasted, but mostly 90s series). First contact with subbed anime on tv was during the MTV Anime Week in 2005 and 2006. At the same time, major channels began to broadcast popular modern shonen series like Naruto and Hunter x Hunter. I don't know what happened after the digital television transition in 2012. I haven't had a TV since then. |
Lollo36 said: Older italian dubs are generally of a slightly higher quality compared to the english ones That's true for almost EVERY country except Spanish dubs. You'll never find lazier / cheaper dubs than English or Spanish ones, with German dubs not far behind. The very best dubs tend to be from the Nordic and Meditteranean countries. Countries that almost exclusively dub stuff targeted at kids or with a large portion of kids as target demographic. The countries that put the most effort into dubs are the ones that almost never dub anything. Norwegian version of Shrek for example is the best dub of that movie worldwide. |
Red_TuesdayJan 4, 2016 9:13 AM
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Red_Tuesday said: I don't know about thatThe very best dubs tend to be from the Nordic and Meditteranean countries. Countries that almost exclusively dub stuff targeted at kids or with a large portion of kids as target demographic. The countries that put the most effort into dubs are the ones that almost never dub anything. Norwegian version of Shrek for example is the best dub of that movie worldwide. Here in Sweden the voice acting used to be relatively good until the early 90s, but after that they stopped hiring good live action actors for their dubs Nowadays a large proportion of our dubs are shit, especially the dubs of the children's TV series that they air on Bolibompa – 99 % of all voice actors are not even trying and they all speak disgustingly bratty stockholmska But maybe you have better voice actors in Norway |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Retroalwayswins said: its because op just signed up to post this huge wall of text and went off in an instant if he would still be online I would tell and explain to him how misinformed he is the wall of text actually interested me, since there's really no other threads that have them. but maybe i'm weird like that. GOTZFAUST said: Dont know much about Greece and Brazil tbh. German, Spain, Italy and France have a strong media industry, dubbing everything and stuff. ah yes, france. my brother has a french and italian native friend and they both say that anime is pretty big there. and do you think you could answer a question of mine? what about the dessin anime, wakfu? know anything about it? |
TomDayJan 4, 2016 9:51 AM
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| I do not know that much about the history of anime on Russian tv, but I am pretty sure that anime is not a tv thing around here. The first things that were broadcast were Sailor Moon and the first season of Pokemon, then around half in the the 00th some series were shown on the tv on mtv and several other entertainment channels. I remember watching Gungrave, for example. But I wouldn't even associate anime with the television to be honest. At first I got some disks copied from god knows where, then it all switched to internet downloads, I think. As for the services... Web-Crunchiroll works, but some series are unawailable. But I have no idea, if it can be purchased as a tv channel. But, well, maybe someone more knowledgeable will correct me. I am not a part of the subculture, I think. |
Red_Tuesday said: You'll never find lazier / cheaper dubs than English or Spanish ones They also stole our Lupin III: part III OP song for their Captain Tsubasa OP lol. Original Italian Lupin OP Later Spanish Captain Tsubasa OP |
Aria-da-Capo said: Red_Tuesday said: You'll never find lazier / cheaper dubs than English or Spanish ones They also stole our Lupin III: part III OP song for their Captain Tsubasa OP lol. Lol glad to hear dutch translaters weren't the only one who were like that The dutch dub of Sailor Moon was based of the German Dub, if they changed some names the dutch dub did it too They also stole the openings lol |
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GOTZFAUST said: I have recently read that Italy censor their anime quite heavily: Did they really edit all the hundreds of anime that was imported back then? Only those broadcasted on major channels. All in all that's just a minority, but the censorship was unforgiving. Two infamous cases would be: Marmalade Boy, where they changed ALL the dialogues of one episode. It was an episode about 'that time of the month', it became something entirely different. Then there's Sailor Moon. Apparently the last episode of the first series had some nudity in it. They simply never aired that final episode lol. |
Tough even the shows that aired in the US in Daytime television is really thin from what I've seen. With Toonami, daily programming basicilly only lasted from 1997-2004...and the shows are counted quickly. Dragon Ball Z, Rorouni Kenshin, Yu Yu Hakusho, Gundam Wing, Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor Sakura, Naruto and that is it right? Even things like Conan, Inu Yasha and Lupin were shown at Daytime television in European countries. For reference, the following shows/movies/OVAs have aired on US TV that I know about: Not a complete list of all US airings but more than what you have listed. Anyhow due to people complaining a more lax editing requirements it became the general consensus to air anime in the evening the United States. Stations such as Cartoon Network still has a decent sized black of anime going. Other stations had rather large catalogs as well such as the Encore Action Channel, Sci-Fi Channel, TechTV (later known as G4tv), and IFC. |
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GOTZFAUST said: Aria-da-Capo said: Only those broadcasted on major channels. All in all that's just a minority, but the censorship was unforgiving. Two infamous cases would be: Marmalade Boy, where they changed ALL the dialogues of one episode. It was an episode about 'that time of the month', it became something entirely different. Then there's Sailor Moon. Apparently the last episode of the first series had some nudity in it. They simply never aired that final episode lol. Does Italy have website that covers censorship of their stuff. There is a detailed dedicated wikipedia page. But it's in Italian, of course. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adattamento_e_censura_degli_anime |
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