The USS Zumwalt is enginnered with an array of next-generation technologies to include a stealthy hull design http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1620866-navy-s-stealthy-high-tech-destroyer-sets-sail  So... hot or not? |
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| saw this on CNN days ago, and nah im not a fan of the design, it does not look futuristic but its abilities is what matters the most though so they designed it like that to maximize its capabilities? |
| Looks like something that came out of a Strike game. |
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| Does it have pew pew laser guns? |
| To be honest it looks kinda weird. Really doubt this concept will ever enter mass-production. Feels more like an expensive experiment. Similar to USSR's ekranoplans. |
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j0x said: saw this on CNN days ago, and nah im not a fan of the design, it does not look futuristic but its abilities is what matters the most though so they designed it like that to maximize its capabilities? It just needs a good ol GDI symbol on its side :p |
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| is this a new red alert unit |
| The ship design kinda reminds me of the ironclad ships of the mid 1800s. |
| Its a Destoryer, one that has had significant design and operational flaws, cost four billion USD's each, 32 are planned, 29 were cancelled, and additional planned units might be, or likely will be culled so that only maybe seven to eight will be oprational. Take in the low crew numbers, mechanical issues, stability, firepower, and reliability, this ship is the F-35 of the Sea. A White Elephant of Military Industrial Complex stupidity. It doesn't even meet any of the requirements it promised to, and counts mostly on 80 missile tubes to do its job. The older American Destoryers like the Arleigh Bruke-Class is largely superior in every way, minus stealth, and possible the electronics. And are half the cost. |
| I don't like it, interesting concept but I still don't like it. |
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Eeyore said: The ship design kinda reminds me of the ironclad ships of the mid 1800s. …and it is probably the US Navy ship since then most at risk of capsizing under high waves. RedArmyShogun said: Its a Destoryer, one that has had significant design and operational flaws, cost four billion USD's each, 32 are planned, 29 were cancelled, and additional planned units might be, or likely will be culled so that only maybe seven to eight will be oprational. Take in the low crew numbers, mechanical issues, stability, firepower, and reliability, this ship is the F-35 of the Sea. A White Elephant of Military Industrial Complex stupidity. It doesn't even meet any of the requirements it promised to, and counts mostly on 80 missile tubes to do its job. The older American Destoryers like the Arleigh Bruke-Class is largely superior in every way, minus stealth, and possible the electronics. And are half the cost. Now it's only going to be *three*, it seems. This really is the floating F-35. It's not like no other countries have figured out stealth; all the other major navies are developing much smaller stealthy craft, reflecting the ongoing shift towards smaller firepower platforms. Railguns and free-electron lasers are cool, I'll give you that, but it's not yet clear how well they will work as weapons. |
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I know aesthetics isn't the idea here but...pretty ugly imo. There was something just so awesome and sexy about the old tin cans. |
DragonTamer1 said: I don't like it, interesting concept but I still don't like it. |
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Gymkata said: I know aesthetics isn't the idea here but...pretty ugly imo. There was something just so awesome and sexy about the old tin cans. *Snip*] The Soviet Navy feared those interestingly. Weapons of that period vs today had higher explosive yields. Today Armour isn't counted on as much as electronics and speed. Part of why they are no longer built by anyone is rather funny, they are a lost technology and a modernized variant, or even that, would bankrupt most countries. Airpower was just a nice excuse, though I won't say it wasn't a factor. But the largest factor was economics. Even back when they were built those ships bankrupt many nations. |
RedArmyShogun said: Gymkata said: I know aesthetics isn't the idea here but...pretty ugly imo. There was something just so awesome and sexy about the old tin cans. *Snip*] The Soviet Navy feared those interestingly. Weapons of that period vs today had higher explosive yields. Today Armour isn't counted on as much as electronics and speed. Part of why they are no longer built by anyone is rather funny, they are a lost technology and a modernized variant, or even that, would bankrupt most countries. Airpower was just a nice excuse, though I won't say it wasn't a factor. But the largest factor was economics. Even back when they were built those ships bankrupt many nations. Interesting. I have a family member who served in the Pacific theatre of WW2. He said the blast of those old naval guns was unlike anything you can imagine and that they'd move the entire ships O.O |
Spooks said: j0x said: saw this on CNN days ago, and nah im not a fan of the design, it does not look futuristic but its abilities is what matters the most though so they designed it like that to maximize its capabilities? It just needs a good ol GDI symbol on its side :p Thanks to that Pacific Tiberium Gyre battleships are useless, but thank you General Shepherd. |
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LostClause said: Spooks said: It just needs a good ol GDI symbol on its side :p Thanks to that Pacific Tiberium Gyre battleships are useless, but thank you General Shepherd. BROTHERHOOD UNITY PEACE! |
RedArmyShogun said: LostClause said: Thanks to that Pacific Tiberium Gyre battleships are useless, but thank you General Shepherd. BROTHERHOOD UNITY PEACE! This only proves that Westwood KNEW Hosini Mubarak was going to get canned. They KNEW. The Arab Spring was a Command and Conquer fanfic. |
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LostClause said: RedArmyShogun said: BROTHERHOOD UNITY PEACE! This only proves that Westwood KNEW Hosini Mubarak was going to get canned. They KNEW. The Arab Spring was a Command and Conquer fanfic. Waiting for ISIS to nuke Chinese military parade. |
Gymkata said: oohhh yeaah military porn |
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| Well, a few things here. First off, the US isn't exactly alone. The vaunted Type 45 Daring class for the Royal Navy cost far more than intended, had their numbers slashed from 12 to 6, and, as a cost-cutting measure, have no onboard ASW systems, including lacking a towed sonar array. They carry a helicopter or two, but that's hardly going to give them round-the-clock ASW capability. In a high-threat environment, these, which are technically escort ships, need their own escorts! For the same price, the Arleigh Burke Flight IIA provides twice the aviation capacity (SH-60 is in a similar weight class to the NH90), twice the missile capacity (96 vs 48 VLS), a full ASW suite, and a ballistic missile defense capability completely absent from the UK ship. The only advantages in the UK ship are better capability against low-flying targets at long range, better power and propulsion systems, and better radar & tracking systems. Crew size is a mixed benefit, as smaller crew decreases operational cost, but also reduces repair and damage control capabilities. Advanced ships in other nations have seen similar issues. France cancelled half of its planned Horizon class (similar cost and capability to the Type 45) purchase in exchange for 2 FREDA units, which are essentially monkey models with inferior ASW systems and only 2/3 of the missile armament compared to the Horizon. Similarly, the French Charles de Gaulle was so problematic that it never got a sister ship. Instead, France went to the UK's Queen Elizabeth design before dropping that too. Australia's Collins boats, even while being based on a proven design, were a disaster. Spain's S-80 submarine has also had notable problems. India, China, and Russia have all had their own problems as well, though they tend to try and suppress them. As to the Zumwalt. It was a dumb idea from the start. While the ship design indeed makes them highly survivable compared to contemporaries, the envisioned role was one they could have never hoped to fulfill even if they'd done everything as advertised. The US Navy threw away its entire naval gunfire support capability for them, and its proposed solutions (the 6.1" guns, the dropped 5" ERGM and arsenal ship) were ridiculous. The design itself is something that would be served much better on a littoral combat vessel, where the low freeboard and stealthy design would make it very survivable close to hostile shores, and allow unprecedented operational capability. This is too large to really take advantage of that potential benefit, yet still too poorly armed for the other intended roles. And its stealthy nature doesn't mean much for the roles it is trying to fill. As it stands, they'd have gotten more mileage giving the Iowas a complete overhaul and upgrade . . . for less cost. |
Spooks said: So... hot or not? It's shit. Gymkata said: There was something just so awesome and sexy about the old tin cans. Oh... that FAP/10 |
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