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Oct 7, 2015 9:18 PM
#1
Notice the posters and magazines have been altered to have more clothes. Edit: i already made a thread of this in the yokai watch forum but i though it could merit a discussion on modern censorship in anime today, if is not allowed i apologies and go ahead and delete this. |
GEO9875Oct 7, 2015 9:21 PM
Oct 7, 2015 9:20 PM
#2
Yokai Watch is supposed to air on Disney XD and Disney would obviously edit to make it more child friendly. |
Oct 7, 2015 9:29 PM
#4
Oct 7, 2015 9:30 PM
#5
Any anime with children like characters always get censored like that if there's too much skin. Lots of anime games these days get the same treatment. |
Oct 7, 2015 10:28 PM
#6
Uh... so? It's not like it's doing the show any harm. It's practically expected of Disney to censor stuff like that. At least the clothes they covered them up with actually look like something that a person would actually wear on a trip to the beach. |
Oct 8, 2015 1:04 AM
#8
Disney was just being realistic. A girl who look liked an 8 year old had a body like that? US just corrects Japans stupidity on character designs. And for fucks sake. Almost all hentai and Eroge shits are child-pornography in disguise. |
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Oct 8, 2015 2:11 AM
#9
Don't worry, puritanical editing in the US is not limited to anime. But in any case, it's still only one show out of dozens being released in the US in a given year, and one instance does not a trend make. Plus, if Yo-Kai watch in this form can serve as a "gateway drug" to get more kids interested in anime in general (like the edited dub versions of yesteryear), then in the long run it's a net positive. And at least visual editing technology has improved beyond the clumsy digital bikinis of Tenchi Muyo! and the mysterious bathwater of Sailor Moon. Paul said: Only if it's actually targeted at children. Loli/shota characters in latenight/otaku anime rarely if ever get that treatment, though I can't speak to the gaming side of things.Any anime with children like characters always get censored like that if there's too much skin. Lots of anime games these days get the same treatment. |
Oct 8, 2015 2:26 AM
#10
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Oct 8, 2015 2:45 AM
#12
Comic_Sans said: 2lewd4USA +1 |
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Oct 8, 2015 2:50 AM
#13
Remember kids humans are made of sugar spice & everyting nice. Must cover dem donuts or else someone will touch them. |
Oct 8, 2015 2:50 AM
#14
Oct 8, 2015 2:51 AM
#15
DrGeroCreation said: Yokai Watch is supposed to air on Disney XD and Disney would obviously edit to make it more child friendly. its a kids show FFS |
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Oct 8, 2015 2:56 AM
#16
Zalis said: Don't worry, puritanical editing in the US is not limited to anime. But in any case, it's still only one show out of dozens being released in the US in a given year, and one instance does not a trend make. Plus, if Yo-Kai watch in this form can serve as a "gateway drug" to get more kids interested in anime in general (like the edited dub versions of yesteryear), then in the long run it's a net positive. And at least visual editing technology has improved beyond the clumsy digital bikinis of Tenchi Muyo! and the mysterious bathwater of Sailor Moon. Paul said: Only if it's actually targeted at children. Loli/shota characters in latenight/otaku anime rarely if ever get that treatment, though I can't speak to the gaming side of things.Any anime with children like characters always get censored like that if there's too much skin. Lots of anime games these days get the same treatment. your nlw backing changes to the animation its self first i though you only backed the wholesale edits the scripts that still happen now this tsk tsk |
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Oct 8, 2015 2:58 AM
#17
Rayzer said: And for fucks sake. Almost all hentai and Eroge shits are child-pornography in disguise. They have nothing to do with CP. |
Oct 8, 2015 3:27 AM
#18
The left one on Yo-kai watch looks much better, do kids shows really need the stock pedophile/pervert character? Good changes. The yugioh on the right also looks better, the left is just looks lazy. |
Oct 8, 2015 3:32 AM
#19
15poundfish said: The left one on Yo-kai watch looks much better, do kids shows really need the stock pedophile/pervert character? Good changes. The yugioh on the right also looks better, the left is just looks lazy. os you back wholesale changes ot core assest of a show ie story and art |
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Oct 8, 2015 3:40 AM
#20
First of all, the American version is much better because it looks realistic. No child is dressed like that on a fucking beach trip. And the children's faces look 10 years old, while their bodies look much more mature.. SMh. why do japan always wanna sexualise children |
Oct 8, 2015 3:52 AM
#21
15poundfish said: inb4 pedophile debateThe left one on Yo-kai watch looks much better, do kids shows really need the stock pedophile/pervert character? Good changes. The yugioh on the right also looks better, the left is just looks lazy. |
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Oct 8, 2015 4:00 AM
#22
Jibanyan did nothing wrong. |
Oct 8, 2015 4:10 AM
#23
baeksan said: First of all, the American version is much better because it looks realistic. Please tell us more about how anime is all about realism. No child is dressed like that on a fucking beach trip. Those screenshots seem to be about an idol group. Girls in idol groups do in fact pose in bikinis. And the children's faces look 10 years old, while their bodies look much more mature.. SMh. People say the same thing about K-On, where the characters are 16-18. It's almost like anime character design is different from reality... why do japan always wanna sexualise children Where are there children being sexualized here? Are you not able to distinguish between anime characters and real people? |
Oct 8, 2015 4:13 AM
#24
baeksan said: First of all, the American version is much better because it looks realistic. No child is dressed like that on a fucking beach trip. And the children's faces look 10 years old, while their bodies look much more mature.. SMh. why do japan always wanna sexualise children your either a prude or have no idea you pick |
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Oct 8, 2015 5:28 AM
#25
2weeaboo4u said: baeksan said: First of all, the American version is much better because it looks realistic. Please tell us more about how anime is all about realism. No child is dressed like that on a fucking beach trip. Those screenshots seem to be about an idol group. Girls in idol groups do in fact pose in bikinis. And the children's faces look 10 years old, while their bodies look much more mature.. SMh. People say the same thing about K-On, where the characters are 16-18. It's almost like anime character design is different from reality... why do japan always wanna sexualise children Where are there children being sexualized here? Are you not able to distinguish between anime characters and real people? This is not so much about realism, this is about anime producers always sexualising young girls when they get the chance, in no matter what setting. If it is an action anime, she still has to wear skin revealing clothes, if it is a show aimed at children, she still has to expose her skin, even though arousing old men isn't even the goal. Why do girls have to wear skimpy clothing 24/7? But because this is about an idol group, which is kind of excusable because it is true that idols do take of their clothes to appeal to men rather than talents, but in every other situation when it isn't suitable? oh god |
Oct 8, 2015 6:00 AM
#26
baeksan said: This is not so much about realism, this is about anime producers always sexualising young girls when they get the chance, in no matter what setting. Except they don't, seeing as how anime characters aren't real people. If it is an action anime, she still has to wear skin revealing clothes, if it is a show aimed at children, she still has to expose her skin, even though arousing old men isn't even the goal. Why do you people always associate sexual arousal with old men? Why do girls have to wear skimpy clothing 24/7? They don't, so what are you complaining about? |
Oct 8, 2015 6:15 AM
#27
2weeaboo4u said: baeksan said: This is not so much about realism, this is about anime producers always sexualising young girls when they get the chance, in no matter what setting. Except they don't, seeing as how anime characters aren't real people. If it is an action anime, she still has to wear skin revealing clothes, if it is a show aimed at children, she still has to expose her skin, even though arousing old men isn't even the goal. Why do you people always associate sexual arousal with old men? Because they're the ones who actually think it's hot most of the time. Why do girls have to wear skimpy clothing 24/7? They don't, so what are you complaining about? They do, you just refuse to acknowledge that it happens. |
Oct 8, 2015 6:27 AM
#28
baeksan said: They do, you just refuse to acknowledge that it happens. Well, I'm sure you know all about what female characters in anime typically wear, seeing as how you've watched three anime. That's, like, three more than zero. Or as many as six if we count the ones you're watching or keeping on hold. Whoa! Seriously, what the hell is up with so many people here having almost non-existent anime experience and still making all these far-reaching claims about it? How could you possibly have any understanding of what characters normally wear in anime when you've practically not watched any? Characters are normally dressed normally. Otherwise there would be no point in having beach and onsen episodes. |
Oct 8, 2015 6:28 AM
#29
I can honestly see the point in censorship but its mostly just culture things. Japan tends to be more "expressive" and tend to go over the top on whatever they are doing. I feel honestly sometimes america goes to far on censorship. I mean look at the DBZ and One Piece censorship. Or even Pokemon censorship. But I can sort of get this. Censorship Examples (sometimes I dont get censorship) (also some may be fake not sure but I know some are real) http://funnyjunk.com/4kids+edits+comp/funny-pictures/5433623/ |
Oct 8, 2015 6:34 AM
#30
2weeaboo4u said: Rayzer said: And for fucks sake. Almost all hentai and Eroge shits are child-pornography in disguise. They have nothing to do with CP. That's why it's on a spoiler m8. |
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Oct 8, 2015 6:34 AM
#31
Oct 8, 2015 1:11 PM
#32
Censorship in America? I am shocked sir. |
Oct 8, 2015 1:17 PM
#33
baeksan said: First of all, the American version is much better because it looks realistic. No child is dressed like that on a fucking beach trip. And the children's faces look 10 years old, while their bodies look much more mature.. SMh. why do japan always wanna sexualise children Children wearing bikinis on the beach is pretty normal were I live, what do American children wear? |
Oct 8, 2015 1:23 PM
#34
Kinda odd considering you can't even see cleavage or anything like that. Also...were the leggings really necessary? I don't hate them, but it seems like a weird edit. |
Oct 8, 2015 1:23 PM
#35
Feniksrises said: baeksan said: First of all, the American version is much better because it looks realistic. No child is dressed like that on a fucking beach trip. And the children's faces look 10 years old, while their bodies look much more mature.. SMh. why do japan always wanna sexualise children Children wearing bikinis on the beach is pretty normal were I live, what do American children wear? An iron suit made out of guns obviously! Gotta destroy and murder everything! Actual human skin? Someone think of the children! |
AssirraOct 8, 2015 1:30 PM
Oct 8, 2015 1:33 PM
#36
2weeaboo4u said: baeksan said: They do, you just refuse to acknowledge that it happens. Well, I'm sure you know all about what female characters in anime typically wear, seeing as how you've watched three anime. That's, like, three more than zero. Or as many as six if we count the ones you're watching or keeping on hold. Whoa! Seriously, what the hell is up with so many people here having almost non-existent anime experience and still making all these far-reaching claims about it? How could you possibly have any understanding of what characters normally wear in anime when you've practically not watched any? Characters are normally dressed normally. Otherwise there would be no point in having beach and onsen episodes. Just because I haven't completed a lot of anime series doesn't mean I don't know how women generally in anime are clothed in comparison to men. I can see scenes, screenshots, covers etc and immediately know that this anime show is full of male gaze and unnecessary skin showing. |
Oct 8, 2015 1:36 PM
#37
baeksan said: 2weeaboo4u said: baeksan said: They do, you just refuse to acknowledge that it happens. Well, I'm sure you know all about what female characters in anime typically wear, seeing as how you've watched three anime. That's, like, three more than zero. Or as many as six if we count the ones you're watching or keeping on hold. Whoa! Seriously, what the hell is up with so many people here having almost non-existent anime experience and still making all these far-reaching claims about it? How could you possibly have any understanding of what characters normally wear in anime when you've practically not watched any? Characters are normally dressed normally. Otherwise there would be no point in having beach and onsen episodes. Just because I haven't completed a lot of anime series doesn't mean I don't know how women generally in anime are clothed in comparison to men. I can see scenes, screenshots, covers etc and immediately know that this anime show is full of male gaze and unnecessary skin showing. So we come to the agreement you have no idea what you are talking about and only base it on some random pics/covers. Also why in the world are you on a site dedicated to anime if you clearly don't like it? |
Oct 8, 2015 2:17 PM
#38
Assirra said: I like anime but not distasteful anime and anime that throws in random and unnecessary fanservice at unfitting moments. Just sorry, and my perception of anime is just as valid as yours, and what I'm saying is true. baeksan said: 2weeaboo4u said: baeksan said: They do, you just refuse to acknowledge that it happens. Well, I'm sure you know all about what female characters in anime typically wear, seeing as how you've watched three anime. That's, like, three more than zero. Or as many as six if we count the ones you're watching or keeping on hold. Whoa! Seriously, what the hell is up with so many people here having almost non-existent anime experience and still making all these far-reaching claims about it? How could you possibly have any understanding of what characters normally wear in anime when you've practically not watched any? Characters are normally dressed normally. Otherwise there would be no point in having beach and onsen episodes. Just because I haven't completed a lot of anime series doesn't mean I don't know how women generally in anime are clothed in comparison to men. I can see scenes, screenshots, covers etc and immediately know that this anime show is full of male gaze and unnecessary skin showing. So we come to the agreement you have no idea what you are talking about and only base it on some random pics/covers. Also why in the world are you on a site dedicated to anime if you clearly don't like it? A wise Japanese lady named Kazuna Kanajiri said that she didn't want Japan to be labeled as the country with the 'perverted' culture, and I completely agree with her. |
Oct 8, 2015 2:42 PM
#39
Oct 8, 2015 6:01 PM
#40
baeksan said: Just because I haven't completed a lot of anime series doesn't mean I don't know how women generally in anime are clothed in comparison to men. I can see scenes, screenshots, covers etc and immediately know that this anime show is full of male gaze and unnecessary skin showing. Scenes and screenshots are cherry-picked by the people who want to present them, and covers don't necessarily reflect what the characters normally wear (although they usually do). But it's nice to hear that instead of watching any anime you just look at screenshots and covers and let your imagination do the rest. It's much more time-efficient than watching anything. And if you're going to unironically use the term "male gaze," I really suggest you just turn back now and never think about anime ever again. baeksan said: Just sorry, and my perception of anime is just as valid as yours, and what I'm saying is true. No. |
Oct 8, 2015 6:21 PM
#41
DateYutaka said: By Japanese standards, yes, but by American standards, it apparently needs some minor tweaking to work as a kids' show. Why must you ignore cultural differences like that?its a kids show FFS And it's not like America is the only place that might complain about skimpy kids' outfits in a kids' show, as seen with Toei deciding to cover up Cure White's and Cure Black's midriffs when PreCure Max Heart rolled around. DateYutaka said: It's not so much that I support them, only that I don't oppose them in this case. I'd feel differently if it were more of an otaku/latenight show that is meant and expected to show pervy and/or questionable fanservice, which is why I don't agree with Funi's decision to use a few scenes from the Japanese broadcast version of Haganai Next 02 to censor a Kobato image.your now backing changes to the animation its self first i though you only backed the wholesale edits the scripts that still happen now this tsk tsk I'm guessing that the choice here was not between airing Youkai Watch censored or airing it uncensored; it was between airing Youkai Watch censored or not airing it at all. While I'm not familiar with the show itself, it looks like they're trying to develop Youkai Watch into an international multimedia franchise with anime, manga, toys, snacks, video games, card games, and more. Part of making a franchise like that work is getting mainstream TV exposure, and clearly the companies on both sides of the ocean were willing to accept some sacrifices to get the show on TV to give the overall franchise more of a chance of taking off. I can't blame them for seeing more success with that approach than just having Sentai sell a few hundred sub-only discs to the coveted "fans of kids' ghostbusting anime AND junior idol loli fanservice" demographic and never seeing any of the related merchandise/games reaching stores. And again, I think the long game matters more here. Some of those who saw edited Astro Boy and Kimba in the 60s became anime fans in the 70s, some of those who saw edited Gatchaman, Yamato, and Speed Racer in the 70s became fans in the 80s, some of those who saw edited Macross/Robotech and Voltron in the 80s became fans in the 90s, some of those who saw edited DBZ, Sailor Moon, and Pokemon in the 90s became fans in the 00s, and some of those who saw edited Yu-Gi-Oh and Naruto in the 00s became fans in the 10s. Youkai Watch is hopefully a continuation of that cycle for the 2010s and 2020s. |
Oct 8, 2015 8:21 PM
#42
ReaperCreeper said: Madoka can get by nearly uncensored with a PG rating though. Speaking of which, when the hell are ABC3 gonna stop airing re-runs? Madoka isn't fucking Seinfeld. You can't just keep repeating the same 12 episodes non stop and expect people to keep watching.Prudish? Yes, but that example also doesn't make any difference in the show. You want to talk censorship, Adventure Time and Regular Show get censored on Cartoon Network Australia, usually with very noticeable cuts. |
Oct 8, 2015 8:32 PM
#43
baeksan said: They're idols in their teens or 20s, not kids. First of all, the American version is much better because it looks realistic. No child is dressed like that on a fucking beach trip. And the children's faces look 10 years old, while their bodies look much more mature.. SMh. why do japan always wanna sexualise children SeibaaHomu said: Reminds me of how they showed Vampire Knight with the incest intact. It's funny when a lot of ABC3's lineup is noticeably a lot more kiddy too.ReaperCreeper said: Madoka can get by nearly uncensored with a PG rating though. Speaking of which, when the hell are ABC3 gonna stop airing re-runs? Madoka isn't fucking Seinfeld. You can't just keep repeating the same 12 episodes non stop and expect people to keep watching.Prudish? Yes, but that example also doesn't make any difference in the show. You want to talk censorship, Adventure Time and Regular Show get censored on Cartoon Network Australia, usually with very noticeable cuts. |
Oct 9, 2015 10:53 AM
#44
Zalis said: DateYutaka said: By Japanese standards, yes, but by American standards, it apparently needs some minor tweaking to work as a kids' show. Why must you ignore cultural differences like that?its a kids show FFS And it's not like America is the only place that might complain about skimpy kids' outfits in a kids' show, as seen with Toei deciding to cover up Cure White's and Cure Black's midriffs when PreCure Max Heart rolled around. DateYutaka said: It's not so much that I support them, only that I don't oppose them in this case. I'd feel differently if it were more of an otaku/latenight show that is meant and expected to show pervy and/or questionable fanservice, which is why I don't agree with Funi's decision to use a few scenes from the Japanese broadcast version of Haganai Next 02 to censor a Kobato image.your now backing changes to the animation its self first i though you only backed the wholesale edits the scripts that still happen now this tsk tsk I'm guessing that the choice here was not between airing Youkai Watch censored or airing it uncensored; it was between airing Youkai Watch censored or not airing it at all. While I'm not familiar with the show itself, it looks like they're trying to develop Youkai Watch into an international multimedia franchise with anime, manga, toys, snacks, video games, card games, and more. Part of making a franchise like that work is getting mainstream TV exposure, and clearly the companies on both sides of the ocean were willing to accept some sacrifices to get the show on TV to give the overall franchise more of a chance of taking off. I can't blame them for seeing more success with that approach than just having Sentai sell a few hundred sub-only discs to the coveted "fans of kids' ghostbusting anime AND junior idol loli fanservice" demographic and never seeing any of the related merchandise/games reaching stores. And again, I think the long game matters more here. Some of those who saw edited Astro Boy and Kimba in the 60s became anime fans in the 70s, some of those who saw edited Gatchaman, Yamato, and Speed Racer in the 70s became fans in the 80s, some of those who saw edited Macross/Robotech and Voltron in the 80s became fans in the 90s, some of those who saw edited DBZ, Sailor Moon, and Pokemon in the 90s became fans in the 00s, and some of those who saw edited Yu-Gi-Oh and Naruto in the 00s became fans in the 10s. Youkai Watch is hopefully a continuation of that cycle for the 2010s and 2020s. its not a cultRAK difference thougth is jusy cuse iits japanese its censored it the same with games too alot od games iin the us get 2 ot three ESRB ratings higher than there Cero ratings when there not as violent or anything in compre ot games that share there same rating no ot mention steam ony selling censord form of some games whke whike all the sexual stuff in witcher and more wesertn game are not wevb when the rating in that was Jcos 18 plus its all the same over all it wont beocme multi media sucsess at all i do not think cuase non of Namco's muita media franchise have been muit midea sucsees n the west and namco publish tne games and do anyhitng else beofre yo say wesyter sentai adations were sucsees full as mutia media compare this i went to my local game store a smmaler game stor to pre order the lastest Kr Batride wars game to day and its alrday had a preoder of 150 when the date of relese wa only made public today [note this store only gets around 400 people in it per week name one toku based game in the west that in a smaller game store[ indiependat game store] hat would get over 100 pre order in a day a------------ i wil wait |
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine" When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one For the Union makes us strong |
Oct 9, 2015 11:41 AM
#45
ReaperCreeper said: The one scene in Madoka that did get censored was only because a character swears. They leave the scene in, but they mute the dialogue in certain parts so it's really awkward.Reminds me of how they showed Vampire Knight with the incest intact. It's funny when a lot of ABC3's lineup is noticeably a lot more kiddy too. It's really weird and inconsistent. The big climax to the first arc of SAO got censored even though the volume with that episode was rated PG and far more violent episodes of Madoka (Which is rated M the whole way through on DVD) got by uncut. |
Oct 9, 2015 1:02 PM
#46
Americans' are too sensitive (I'm American but I'm not at all sensitive). If a company censors an anime (like Dance In the Vampire Bund) I won't buy it. I'll just go watch the fan translated Japanese version on the internet. |
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Oct 9, 2015 11:30 PM
#47
Weeping_Shinobu said: Except that it wasn't censored, at least not in North America by Funimation:If a company censors an anime (like Dance In the Vampire Bund) I won't buy it. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-03-17/funimation-to-release-unedited-vampire-bund-in-june |
Oct 10, 2015 9:43 AM
#48
Zalis said: Weeping_Shinobu said: Except that it wasn't censored, at least not in North America by Funimation:If a company censors an anime (like Dance In the Vampire Bund) I won't buy it. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-03-17/funimation-to-release-unedited-vampire-bund-in-june They censored it at first, but people got fucking pissed so they released it fully uncensored. |
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