| It's pretty common for female anime characters to either have no lips, only a bottom lip or really, really small unnoticeable lips. At first I thought it's because the Japanese are obsessed with the moe character design but it has recently come to my attention that in moe girl western cartoons the moe girl characters have lips. Examples So what's the deal with Japan not liking lips? |
DrGeroCreationOct 7, 2015 12:44 AM
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| I think Japanese ppl just like all the focus to big on the big eyes, and little lips are more dainty and doll like or something, which in turn, can also make the eyes appear larger. I'm not a fan of massive lips anyways. |
| Those girls just have a lot of make up. I just think its not their main focus. |
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 I love Christine "If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours. He will put some things behind, will pass an invisible boundary; In proportion as he simplifies his life, the laws of the universe will appear less complex, and solitude will not be solitude, nor poverty poverty, nor weakness weakness." - Henry David Thoreau |
Bambi said: I think Japanese ppl just like all the focus to big on the big eyes, and little lips are more dainty and doll like or something, which in turn, can also make the eyes appear larger. I'm not a fan of massive lips anyways. Big eyes > Big lips |
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 it isnt cute |
eturnity said: It can be when it's not comically over exaggerated.it isnt cute  |
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 They use lips. It just requires effort, something most anime studios don't like to do compared to American ones kek |
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| I prefer Mangakas who draw lips, personally. |
CommanderCaim said: That's Araragi's sister right? You only really see her lips for that scene (creepy scene by the way). She generally has the typical anime design of having no lips. That's another interesting thing. Characters that generally have no visible lips for most scenes suddenly have lips for certain close up scenes like kiss scenes etc. I guess you are right it would require more effort to draw the characters with lips for every scene.They use lips. It just requires effort, something most anime studios don't like to do compared to American ones kek |
DrGeroCreationOct 6, 2015 11:39 PM
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| Yes because anime is a realistic portrayal of Japan and their culture and what they like and dislike and what is acceptable and unacceptable. That's why there is about 700 train rapes every day in Japan. |
nah they do add lips when the character design intended it, much of the character designs today especially the moe/cute ones will look weird if they added lips   |
Oxalias said: You are not getting what I'm saying. In western cartoons you see the female characters lips all the time no matter the scene but generally in anime you only see the lips for a close up kiss scene or a close up scene to make the female character look attractive.Because its anime, when you see a close up they aren't going to show the light hairs on peoples faces or redness in eyes ect. srsly mate come on |
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| Just remember that what you call "American moe" is made for little girls and regular Japanese moe is made for men. Shoujo manga/anime characters will often have lips. Love Live is one of the few anime when they gave the characters visible lips and it didn't look bad. In Haganai the lips were actually an important feature because only the females had lips which gave more evidence that Yukimura Kusunoki is actually a girl. In many Japanese high schools and junior high schools students are forbidden to wear makeup so there isn't much reason to bother drawing in lips that aren't going to look that good anyway. |
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| i dont really like the way they look in anime. plus they are harder to draw. |
| In fact saylor moon crystal looks awfull with the lipstick |
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zombie_pegasus said: DC animated movies and Young Justice are mainly for male teens and young male adults and the female characters always have lips.Just remember that what you call "American moe" is made for little girls and regular Japanese moe is made for men. |
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| It just looks cluttered to have the lips drawn in some styles. |
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DrGeroCreation said: zombie_pegasus said: DC animated movies and Young Justice are mainly for male teens and young male adults and the female characters always have lips.Just remember that what you call "American moe" is made for little girls and regular Japanese moe is made for men.  Here's a picture of a girl from a shounen anime who has visible lips. Happy? |
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| I like it without the lips :3 |
zombie_pegasus said: You can barely see them.DrGeroCreation said: DC animated movies and Young Justice are mainly for male teens and young male adults and the female characters always have lips. Here's a picture of a girl from a shounen anime who has visible lips. Happy? |
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In shoujo they are often exaggerated. Here they just have lines showing where the lips are, but they're fairly large lips. |
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| Why are you only concerned about female lips? |
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khunter said: That would be an over exaggeration .The title is obviously just to draw attention. What I'm curious about is how lips are commonly used to project sex appeal or just general attractiveness for female characters in western cartoons yet that feature isn't prominent in anime. I'm wondering if it's influenced by difference in what is perceived as attractive or not between East and West.Do you actually think an entire group of people living in the country of Japan hate lips just because anime girls generally are not seen with drawn realistic lips? |
DrGeroCreationOct 7, 2015 1:36 AM
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Red_Keys said: I'm not into guys and there is no real disparity in distribution of lips between male anime characters and male western cartoon characters.Why are you only concerned about female lips? |
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DrGeroCreation said: Maybe Japanese people understand how bad lips on anime characters tend to look. Some artists are good at drawing lips but most suck at it so they just don't bother. No lips >>>> poorly drawn lips.khunter said: That would be an over exaggeration?The title is obviously just to draw attention. What I'm curious about is how lips are commonly used to project sex appeal or just general attractiveness for female characters in western cartoons yet that feature isn't prominent in anime. I'm wondering if it's influenced by difference in what is perceived as attractive or not between East and West.Do you actually think an entire group of people living in the country of Japan hate lips just because anime girls generally are not seen with drawn realistic lips? |
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zombie_pegasus said: If youre talking about the guy the lower line is not the bottom of the lip it is the place where the lip meets the chin denting in and the top line is the little indent on the top of the lip so again not the lips outline.Here they just have lines showing where the lips are, but they're fairly large lips. |
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DrGeroCreation said: So then do western people hate lips?Red_Keys said: I'm not into guys and there is no real disparity in distribution of lips between male anime characters and male western cartoon characters.Why are you only concerned about female lips? |
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Red_Keys said: No because they are common on female western cartoon characters to show attractiveness.DrGeroCreation said: So then do western people hate lips?I'm not into guys and there is no real disparity in distribution of lips between male anime characters and male western cartoon characters. |
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caws said: Red_Keys said: Why are you only concerned about female lips? Bigger lips Better blowjobs so that's why when u go black you never go back i learn something new everyday |
zombie_pegasus said: They don't look bad on anime characters.Maybe Japanese people understand how bad lips on anime characters tend to look.   |
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DrGeroCreation said: Tell me what looks more attractive.No because they are common on female western cartoon characters to show attractiveness. or I don't care if you're not sexually attracted to either one. I personally think that a wooden chair is more attractive than a plastic one. What I'm trying to get across is that often lips show femininity or vanity rather than attractiveness. |
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zombie_pegasus said: None. Female lips have always been a major feature of attraction so much so that lipstick exists for the sole purpose of highlighting the lips. Overly exaggerated make up shows vanity not lips.Tell me what looks more attractive zombie_pegasus said: That's just a bottom lip.Here they just have lines showing where the lips are, but they're fairly large lips. |
DrGeroCreationOct 7, 2015 12:42 AM
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| Probably because Japanese tend to have small lips themselves? But I don't think it's because of that. It's become much more a trend. Maybe someone had an epiphany and thought, 'We should make characters without lips!'. And that's it. Though the big eyes combined with fairy-white complexion combination that we see in anime has a deep-rooted rationale in Japanese culture. What I understand of it is that, after the World War 2, Japanese wanted to start a movie industry of their own as a part of rebuilding Japan and its reintegration into the World. They believed themselves not photogenic enough compared to their Western counterparts hence they took refuge in Anime/Manga. This can be observed in the lavish coloration and disproportionately huge eyes. |
[i]"Yet each man kills the thing he loves, [/i]By each let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!'' ~Oscar |
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| This is just like the numerous nipple discussions. It's probably just a drawing preference which has developed into a style. |
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geniobastardo said: I have heard that but the reason I heard was that Japan was too small of a country for live action to become really big because of limitation for filming caused by the size of the country so they focused on anime. The huge eyes in anime exist because of Tezuka being influenced by Bambi and Betty Boop and incorporating the huge eye character design into anime.Though the big eyes combined with fairy-white complexion combination that we see in anime has a deep-rooted rationale in Japanese culture. What I understand of it is that, after the World War 2, Japanese wanted to start a movie industry of their own as a part of rebuilding Japan and its reintegration into the World. They believed themselves not photogenic enough compared to their Western counterparts hence they took refuge in Anime/Manga. This can be observed in the lavish coloration and disproportionately huge eyes. ToastofJustice said: [/spoiler] +1 Really hot. Female anime characters with lips can look very good too bad they don't commonly have them in anime.[spoiler] Hot. |
DrGeroCreationOct 7, 2015 1:15 AM
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DrGeroCreation said: geniobastardo said: I have heard that but the reason I heard was that Japan was too small of a country for live action to become really big because of limitation for filming caused by the size of the country so they focused on anime. The huge eyes in anime exist because of Tezuka being influenced by Bambi and Betty Boop and incorporating the huge eye character design into anime.Though the big eyes combined with fairy-white complexion combination that we see in anime has a deep-rooted rationale in Japanese culture. What I understand of it is that, after the World War 2, Japanese wanted to start a movie industry of their own as a part of rebuilding Japan and its reintegration into the World. They believed themselves not photogenic enough compared to their Western counterparts hence they took refuge in Anime/Manga. This can be observed in the lavish coloration and disproportionately huge eyes. Well, there a lot of rationales for that. Either all are true or none. But, this one topic at hand is pretty interesting. In all honesty though, I've only ever seen a few anime pull of the 'lip' part correctly. The rest just screw it up (*ahem* ore monogatari *ahem*). |
[i]"Yet each man kills the thing he loves, [/i]By each let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!'' ~Oscar |
| Not every artist has an obligation to feature your personal fetishes. |
| I'm more concerned with why v-shaped smiling mouths is a thing. It's cute, but also weird. Example:  |
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SubaTonic said: Same goes for x shaped eyes.I'm more concerned with why v-shaped smiling mouths is a thing. It's cute, but also weird. |
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geniobastardo said: When both lips are done (not just a bottom lip) and not done in a super over exaggerated, comical way in anime they tend to look good in my opinion.DrGeroCreation said: I have heard that but the reason I heard was that Japan was too small of a country for live action to become really big because of limitation for filming caused by the size of the country so they focused on anime. The huge eyes in anime exist because of Tezuka being influenced by Bambi and Betty Boop and incorporating the huge eye character design into anime. Well, there a lot of rationales for that. Either all are true or none. But, this one topic at hand is pretty interesting. In all honesty though, I've only ever seen a few anime pull of the 'lip' part correctly. The rest just screw it up (*ahem* ore monogatari *ahem*). |
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| [quote=DrGeroCreation[img*]https://31.media.tumblr.com/a415c4af9c0c59b066b5c1a0415b1579/tumblr_inline_ninbxmgXYy1qbiocu.gif[/img][/quote]Where's that one from? Azumaoru said: God, Western animation looks hideous. How does this look hideous? |
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Comic_Sans said: Azumaoru said: God, Western animation looks hideous. How does this look hideous? No Japanese characters, sorry. Where's the fan service too? |
Comic_Sans said: Where's that one from? [/quote] Jack and the Cuckoo Clock Heart http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1181840/[quote=DrGeroCreation[img*]https://31.media.tumblr.com/a415c4af9c0c59b066b5c1a0415b1579/tumblr_inline_ninbxmgXYy1qbiocu.gif[/img] |
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