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Aug 6, 2009 4:20 AM

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Here's something cool that the anime site is doing

http://umineko.tv/web/main/teaparty/ep1.html

Even though it's all Japanese, you can still see the date, time and who died when. It'll probably be translated later on.
Aug 6, 2009 5:09 AM

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Hmm, new portrait...
And no battler...
Things are still confusing me.
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Aug 6, 2009 6:32 AM

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+ for=new op potrait, jessica kirisame crossover, more beato
- for=no objection ._. and battler is not here to >_>
Aug 6, 2009 7:18 AM

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Episode explained a bit on the backstory, but wasn't that exciting overall. I suppose you can call it ok.

I enjoyed Bea playing with Shannon. I actually don't believe her "friendship" at all. Every little kid learns that you can't trust witches. XD

But I really can't think of any way to find
(don't know if this would be a spoiler or not, I didn't play the VN)

BTW, those people posting for the sake of having the first post in an episode discussion are really ridiculous. I can't believe what mindset one must have to be able to embarrass himself so much by saying some random things that don't match the actual content of the episode and revealing that he/she didn't watch anything at all or a RAW which he/she didn't understand at all. That's so idiotic.
Lately in pretty much every episode discussion of "blockbuster anime shows" you can skip page one because most postings there have no worth at all.
Aug 6, 2009 7:34 AM

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o_o ... oh ? a new chapter ? pretty interesting..


Aug 6, 2009 7:38 AM

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I remember while reading the novel that, though I liked this part, it felt a bit dragged on. Well, the anime managed to pace it really well, so no problem at that. I was actually pleasantly surprised at how well directed this episode was.

Overall, I'm starting to enjoy the anime more and more. Sure it can't be compared to the epicness of the original material, but as an adaptation, it's actually ok till now, only getting better and better. Plus that they're including lots of game BGMs.

If I did have to pick one thing I'm displeased with though, it would be how they cut Bern's hint from the Tea Party of the previous episode. I'm referring to her explanation that Beatrice shouldn't be regarded as a single witch/person/whatever, but rather as a
So that would give a second thought to all the scenes Beatrice appears in this episode...

Oh, and on another note: I'm actually liking the art quite a lot, it's much much better to have an epic story with not-so-great art than a not-so-great story with epic art.

TOMITAKE FLASH! ftw.
Brass knuckles ftw.
Eva whispering in that voice in someone's ear: do not want.
Aug 6, 2009 7:45 AM

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Nice episode, as with the character development.

I'm interested how DEEN will pull off
Aug 6, 2009 8:16 AM

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Fujikira said:

I'm interested how DEEN will pull off


Hopefully they'll do it better than they did the purgatorio and tea party scenes, else the anime only viewers will suffer more brain damage ^^

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BTW, those people posting for the sake of having the first post in an episode discussion are really ridiculous.


Are you talking about me?


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Decent episode, Jessica is pretty funny.

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Aug 6, 2009 8:32 AM

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No Battler, no Maria. ;_;

Maybe Kanon and Shannon really aren't humans as he says. Maybe they're aliens or homunculus or whatever, who knows. xp

Jessica making faces is funny. :)
Aug 6, 2009 8:32 AM

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Touhou Cosplay Band made me lol really hard.

Much Beatrice this time. Me likes. :3
Aug 6, 2009 8:34 AM

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I've watched the sub now. I really don't like how they handled the Kanon/Jessica stuffs. The school festival scene wasn't that funny in the anime :<

And Eva's wispering sure was loud

Oh well, it was still okay. I can't wait for the next episode since it will have the best mother ever ^_^
Aug 6, 2009 8:36 AM

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Wow...Beatrice has such a witch-like laugh. Duh. She's good at it though.

And FFS. I can't believe I thought Kanon was a girl all this time...x_x

Aug 6, 2009 8:49 AM

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i love kanon's jacket.

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Aug 6, 2009 9:02 AM

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Romance makes me feel sick. And so does that George/Shannon couple.
Aug 6, 2009 9:26 AM

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OmegaDenmad said:
Preview for 7 is up on both the site and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr-iGta1hUU

Rosa shows us how it's done.


Kannon just goes off on a rant here doesn't he. xD

We're just furniture and because we're furniture we don't go to the toile and I think he says they have a machine gun up their butt? When running both hands are spread wide and suddenly hug you with a 'kyun', have a pocket in their stomach etc. etc. =P
Aug 6, 2009 9:35 AM

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is it just me or is beatrice really hot!?
Aug 6, 2009 9:50 AM

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Alexstratz said:
No Battler, no Maria. ;_;


ya i know, this episode kinda bored me a bit
no OBJECTIONS from Battler this episode =/

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Touhou Cosplay Band made me lol really hard.


XD
Aug 6, 2009 9:58 AM
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ClearSinz said:
Alexstratz said:
No Battler, no Maria. ;_;


ya i know, this episode kinda bored me a bit
no OBJECTIONS from Battler this episode =/

De-JaY said:
Touhou Cosplay Band made me lol really hard.


XD


LOL at Jessica cosplaying Marisa

Nice ep. Beatrice starting to manifest herself first in Kanon and Shannon to plant the seed analogy is well done.
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
Aug 6, 2009 10:19 AM

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Lol, Touhou.
Aug 6, 2009 11:11 AM

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LOL touhou cosplay...marisa, skuaya and aya ftw xD I couldn't identify the drummer lol

a nice ep...but I don't get what's the point of it...

loved the knuckles btw :P
Aug 6, 2009 11:21 AM

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hikky said:
And guitar playing...

Haruhi no Naku Koro ni?

lol, I'm not the only one to notice it. Besides, there's much more about haruhi here. Here's the dialog between Kyon/Koizumi in a taxi before Kyon entered the enclosed space for the first time:
"Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu" translated by Baka-Tsuki said:



Now just replace the word exist with believe in and universe or God with Beatrice
So far Buttler-kun tends to question the existence of the universe xDDD
Aug 6, 2009 11:33 AM
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This episode was paced well, it did seemed a little dragged in the VN but it was used correctly here. Although I think they could have done better with developing the relationship between Kanon and Jessica.

Happy Halloween should be coming soon and it's gonna get really good again, I can't wait.
Aug 6, 2009 11:44 AM

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PsychFreak said:
This episode was paced well, it did seemed a little dragged in the VN but it was used correctly here. Although I think they could have done better with developing the relationship between Kanon and Jessica.

Happy Halloween should be coming soon and it's gonna get really good again, I can't wait.


From the preview, it seems like Halloween should be coming in 2 weeks
Damn it only if they really aired it on Halloween
mouselmmAug 6, 2009 11:53 AM
Aug 6, 2009 12:09 PM

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Boring episode. Not really bad...and actually pretty good for the show, but just ok for me.

I'm glad that I got an big answer involving Shannon, and a little one regarding Kanon, but I'm not liking the idea that they seem to be pushing regarding believing something so hard that it becomes real, and Jessica talking to Kanon about creating a separate self inside of herself seems to hold deeper meaning. I just don't want this to be the point of the show, so that's probably why I hate it so much. Either way, I still think that Beatrice exists. It seems that the idea that her power comes from people believing in her is pretty solid, but I guess I'll have to wait till the next game to be wowed.

Also wasn't a fan of the skipping around in time. It wasn't necessary. Why didn't we see why Shannon changed her mind and broke the mirror?
Aug 6, 2009 12:21 PM

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Syllen said:
is it just me or is beatrice really hot!?
Srsly.
Aug 6, 2009 12:26 PM

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noteDhero said:

Also wasn't a fan of the skipping around in time. It wasn't necessary. Why didn't we see why Shannon changed her mind and broke the mirror?

Because a lot of smaller stuff had to be cut. This episode could have been two episodes.
Aug 6, 2009 12:34 PM

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That was small? I thought the length of Shannon's date with George and Jessica's mock Haruhi performance were wholly unnecessary. She does something...then in the next scene says she won't do it. I think that scene was needed more than the bulk of what we got in this episode.
Aug 6, 2009 12:40 PM
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Alexstratz said:
No Battler, no Maria. ;_;

Maybe Kanon and Shannon really aren't humans as he says. Maybe they're aliens or homunculus or whatever, who knows. xp

Jessica making faces is funny. :)


My theory is that the servants are LITERALLY furniture.
The whole mansion is cursed; the grandfather is the beast who ran away from everyone; Beatrice is the enchantress.
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Syllen said:
is it just me or is beatrice really hot!?
Srsly.
; Battler is the Disney Princess. JK.
Aug 6, 2009 12:41 PM

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What changed Shannon's mind is that 'everything would remain the same', which meant that her relationship with George wouldn't go anywhere. She would remain furniture and George would marry the person Eva picked for him. In the visual novel, Beatrice was a lot more mean to her before Kanon showed up and told her to stop bullying her. She would repeat the cold words Eva spoke to her, telling her to know her place that she's just furniture. That emphasized the point that refusing her offer would mean she would stay as and would forever be furniture.
Aug 6, 2009 12:43 PM

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noteDhero said:
That was small? I thought the length of Shannon's date with George and Jessica's mock Haruhi performance were wholly unnecessary. She does something...then in the next scene says she won't do it. I think that scene was needed more than the bulk of what we got in this episode.

Hahaha. I thought the length of Shannons date with George was really, really short. Since they cut so much of it out.

A lot of the things that make Umineko great just can't be carried over right when it's so rushed. They're managing to keep the plot together. But the characters, which is a lot of what Umineko is, are suffering greatly in every way for it. All those little things in the conversations have to be cut to keep the core of the conversation. Kinda sad, but this really is pretty good for the time they have. If you were to compare this directly to the VN it's crap though.
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That's being far too harsh.

It's doing a good job. You can't expect it to have the visual novel's pace because then it would take forever for anything to happen. The first twilight in the first arc would just now be occurring if it had the visual novel's pace. It's just like when a book is made into a movie. It has to speed things up and make cuts.
Aug 6, 2009 12:52 PM

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I think this is the problem, based off of not messing with the source. Deen just doesn't know what Umineko is. Maybe they have a better idea than the average viewer, but it's not enough to make a coherent and compelling adaptation. You can't forsake characters, and so far they've only done enough to do the bulletpoints of the plot even though there seems to be a lot of excess in the show stemming from Deen trying to say "Hey this is like Higurashi!"

Kanon still seems wooden, Shannon looks like a puppet, and George and Jessica still seem blah. What was the point of Jessica having an asthma attack like that? I have to assume that it becomes important later on, because it was done so awkwardly that it has to be a set up for something.

But they did do a good job with Beatrice, even though a lot of that exposition with the mirror and being tied to the land and whatnot was very generic and uninspired.
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That's being far too harsh.

It's doing a good job. You can't expect it to have the visual novel's pace because then it would take forever for anything to happen. The first twilight in the first arc would just now be occurring if it had the visual novel's pace. It's just like when a book is made into a movie. It has to speed things up and make cuts.

I'm just sad that they can't seem to keep the "feeling" of Umineko. The plots intact, but the "impact". The "atmosphere". They just can't seem to keep it. Only episode 5 kept the same impact as the VN.

I do understand that the characters are going to suffer much development. And they only have 26 episodes for something that could take 52 episodes and still be decently paced.

This episode still gets a 7.5 - 8. I gave much of the first arc 4s and 5s. ;(
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noteDhero said:
I think this is the problem, based off of not messing with the source. Deen just doesn't know what Umineko is. Maybe they have a better idea than the average viewer, but it's not enough to make a coherent and compelling adaptation. You can't forsake characters, and so far they've only done enough to do the bulletpoints of the plot even though there seems to be a lot of excess in the show stemming from Deen trying to say "Hey this is like Higurashi!"

Kanon still seems wooden, Shannon looks like a puppet, and George and Jessica still seem blah. What was the point of Jessica having an asthma attack like that? I have to assume that it becomes important later on, because it was done so awkwardly that I it has to be a set up for something.

But they did do a good job with Beatrice, even though a lot of that exposition with the mirror and being tied to the land and whatnot was very generic and uninspired.


Actually your thoughts are pretty much the same as a visual novel player's at that point in time. The characters don't immediately start out great. They slowly build up.

Jessica's asthma attack is because her bronchi are weak. She had one in the first arc too, right after Kanon died. She fell to the floor coughing.
Aug 6, 2009 1:01 PM

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MarthX said:
noteDhero said:

Kanon still seems wooden, Shannon looks like a puppet, and George and Jessica still seem blah. What was the point of Jessica having an asthma attack like that? I have to assume that it becomes important later on, because it was done so awkwardly that I it has to be a set up for something.

But they did do a good job with Beatrice, even though a lot of that exposition with the mirror and being tied to the land and whatnot was very generic and uninspired.


Actually your thoughts are pretty much the same as a visual novel player's at that point in time. The characters don't immediately start out great. They slowly build up.

Ummmm no.
Aug 6, 2009 1:01 PM

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Wow, didn't expect Beatrice to interact with a "human" at all.
I wonder what's going to happen next, will this follow the epitaph (or however you spell it) with everyone dying and such...?
Also, I dislike Kanon. D:
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Aug 6, 2009 1:02 PM

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damn wat a let down,i was waiting for to show the small bombs scene and how they will declare red in the anime
Aug 6, 2009 1:03 PM

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Oh, I just thought she was over-reacting. Like she was freaking out so hard she swallowed her spit or hyperventilated. I didn't think anything of it.
Aug 6, 2009 1:04 PM

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Zedrane said:
MarthX said:
noteDhero said:

Kanon still seems wooden, Shannon looks like a puppet, and George and Jessica still seem blah. What was the point of Jessica having an asthma attack like that? I have to assume that it becomes important later on, because it was done so awkwardly that I it has to be a set up for something.

But they did do a good job with Beatrice, even though a lot of that exposition with the mirror and being tied to the land and whatnot was very generic and uninspired.


Actually your thoughts are pretty much the same as a visual novel player's at that point in time. The characters don't immediately start out great. They slowly build up.

Ummmm no.


Uh, yes. Anything you think now is influenced based off what they've done later on. On another forum, a lot of people have been playing the VN and posting their impressions as they go along. How they feel about the characters isn't far off from what he feels.
Aug 6, 2009 1:08 PM

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To tell you the truth, most people find the beginning part of EP2 really boring. The Shannon/Geroge and Kanon/Jessica relationships are too in your face. Shoving them down your throat. I've played all 4 games and I can say I don't particularly care about either relationship.
Aug 6, 2009 1:11 PM

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First 4 and half 5 were fucking awesome.
2nd half of 5 confused me so i was expecting some information at this ep. Sadly i got boobs/singing/love talking and tea chi-chatting. This episode was total shit and first time in my life i ever dropped an ep from a series i fucking love... I hope next ep will look like more of the first eps
Aug 6, 2009 1:18 PM
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There can be love between furniture and humans, it happened in code geass, except on second thought that was furniture rape!
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Cloud1234 said:
First 4 and half 5 were fucking awesome.
2nd half of 5 confused me so i was expecting some information at this ep. Sadly i got boobs/singing/love talking and tea chi-chatting. This episode was total shit and first time in my life i ever dropped an ep from a series i fucking love... I hope next ep will look like more of the first eps

It will. Next episode is where the second game board comes into play.
Aug 6, 2009 1:35 PM

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Zedrane said:
Cloud1234 said:
First 4 and half 5 were fucking awesome.
2nd half of 5 confused me so i was expecting some information at this ep. Sadly i got boobs/singing/love talking and tea chi-chatting. This episode was total shit and first time in my life i ever dropped an ep from a series i fucking love... I hope next ep will look like more of the first eps

It will. Next episode is where the second game board comes into play.

I'm still wondering how (Depending on how DEEN does it) will explain
Aug 6, 2009 1:40 PM

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Anyone know how Beatrice is going to say red things?
Aug 6, 2009 2:07 PM

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Maybe the scene will turn red while she speaks?


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Cool ep. Beatrice is sooooo awesome.

So does Battler show up in this arc?
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Aug 6, 2009 2:22 PM

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Yes, you'll definatly see him next episode.


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noteDhero said:

Kanon still seems wooden, Shannon looks like a puppet, and George and Jessica still seem blah. What was the point of Jessica having an asthma attack like that? I have to assume that it becomes important later on, because it was done so awkwardly that it has to be a set up for something.



That idea seems really interesting to me. Especially after Beatrice said that having a heart was the difference between being furniture and being human.

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