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May 2, 2015 2:19 PM

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Can someone tell me exactly what was so wrong about this episode where some people are disappointed?

I have also read the V/N and I thought that this episode was fairly accurate.

Someone asked if there was a magic skirmish in the V/N: The answer is Yes, the V/N had a magic battle where Caster was deflecting everything Tohsaka threw at her just like in the Anime.

Lancer vs Archer battle was pretty much the same in the V/N.

The only part which was lacking (which is kind of unreasonable to add into the Anime anyway) is the monologue of the characters where they show what the characters are thinking during a battle. This of course is an advantage that the V/N has over the Anime and a part of the V/N I enjoyed very much. But on the other hand, you have to realize that adding the monologue to the Anime would be although not impossible, be kind of unreasonable.

Other than the monologues and narratives, I don't really see much of a difference in this episode at least when you compare it to the V/N. Some scenes feel a lot shorter when compared the the V/N but that is because there is a lot of monologue in the V/N which they did not include in the Anime.

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May 2, 2015 2:19 PM
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Kalisto said:
So are we never going to know who Lancer's master is just like we never got to find out who Rider's was?

Shinji was with Rider, but I doubt he's her real master, he's not even a magus.
You'll find out Lancer's master later.
May 2, 2015 2:20 PM

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Caster is actually really pretty :3
The fights were beautiful too, so much eye candy
May 2, 2015 2:24 PM
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Man, it's pretty crazy how far this adaptation goes out of it's way to completely ignore Shirou throughout the story. It felt like this before Rule Breaker too but it's felt doubly so since Shirou lost Saber. The drama in the church scene has nothing to do with Tohsaka outwitting Caster.

The drama is supposed to be in Shirou holding his own against this monster who fought off one of the strongest servants with his bare hands, and whether he's able to buy enough time for their plan to succeed.

Without focusing on the underdog of the story(Shirou), it's basically just a bunch of powerful people fighting each other. Which is cool, but with such huge power discrepancies between servants it's hard to really get into it in this particular route(especially in the middle parts, I think it's safe to say the best fights in the entire adaptation so far were Saber v Lancer and Saber v Berserker).

Not to mention the entire emotional weight of the entire story will feel hollow when it's being viewed almost entirely from Rin's perspective, not Shirou's. But maybe I'll get into that after it's over.
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Yeah, this is officially at the Vanadis and Grisaia level of rushing lol.

I'm sorry but after seeing that there is NOTHING I can take seriously from your posts anymore lol
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May 2, 2015 2:25 PM

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DarkShards said:
Can someone tell me exactly what was so wrong about this episode where some people are disappointed?

I have also read the V/N and I thought that this episode was fairly accurate.

Someone asked if there was a magic skirmish in the V/N: The answer is Yes, the V/N had a magic battle where Caster was deflecting everything Tohsaka threw at her just like in the Anime.

Lancer vs Archer battle was pretty much the same in the V/N.

The only part which was lacking (which is kind of unreasonable to add into the Anime anyway) is the monologue of the characters where they show what the characters are thinking during a battle. This of course is an advantage that the V/N has over the Anime and a part of the V/N I enjoyed very much. But on the other hand, you have to realize that adding the monologue to the Anime would be although not impossible, be kind of unreasonable.

Other than the monologues and narratives, I don't really see much of a difference in this episode at least when you compare it to the V/N. Some scenes feel a lot shorter when compared the the V/N but that is because there is a lot of monologue in the V/N which they did not include in the Anime.

If I remember correctly, didn't rin use the 10 gems she had been storing mana in for 10 years to actually do jack shit? Everything in the church was just MEH.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
May 2, 2015 2:25 PM
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DarkShards said:
Can someone tell me exactly what was so wrong about this episode where some people are disappointed?

I have also read the V/N and I thought that this episode was fairly accurate.

Someone asked if there was a magic skirmish in the V/N: The answer is Yes, the V/N had a magic battle where Caster was deflecting everything Tohsaka threw at her just like in the Anime.

Lancer vs Archer battle was pretty much the same in the V/N.

The only part which was lacking (which is kind of unreasonable to add into the Anime anyway) is the monologue of the characters where they show what the characters are thinking during a battle. This of course is an advantage that the V/N has over the Anime and a part of the V/N I enjoyed very much. But on the other hand, you have to realize that adding the monologue to the Anime would be although not impossible, be kind of unreasonable.

Other than the monologues and narratives, I don't really see much of a difference in this episode at least when you compare it to the V/N. Some scenes feel a lot shorter when compared the the V/N but that is because there is a lot of monologue in the V/N which they did not include in the Anime.


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May 2, 2015 2:26 PM

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black1blade said:
DarkShards said:
Can someone tell me exactly what was so wrong about this episode where some people are disappointed?

I have also read the V/N and I thought that this episode was fairly accurate.

Someone asked if there was a magic skirmish in the V/N: The answer is Yes, the V/N had a magic battle where Caster was deflecting everything Tohsaka threw at her just like in the Anime.

Lancer vs Archer battle was pretty much the same in the V/N.

The only part which was lacking (which is kind of unreasonable to add into the Anime anyway) is the monologue of the characters where they show what the characters are thinking during a battle. This of course is an advantage that the V/N has over the Anime and a part of the V/N I enjoyed very much. But on the other hand, you have to realize that adding the monologue to the Anime would be although not impossible, be kind of unreasonable.

Other than the monologues and narratives, I don't really see much of a difference in this episode at least when you compare it to the V/N. Some scenes feel a lot shorter when compared the the V/N but that is because there is a lot of monologue in the V/N which they did not include in the Anime.

If I remember correctly, didn't rin use the 10 gems she had been storing mana in for 10 years to actually do jack shit? Everything in the church was just MEH.


Pretty sure this happened in the VN.
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May 2, 2015 2:27 PM

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black1blade said:
DarkShards said:
Can someone tell me exactly what was so wrong about this episode where some people are disappointed?

I have also read the V/N and I thought that this episode was fairly accurate.

Someone asked if there was a magic skirmish in the V/N: The answer is Yes, the V/N had a magic battle where Caster was deflecting everything Tohsaka threw at her just like in the Anime.

Lancer vs Archer battle was pretty much the same in the V/N.

The only part which was lacking (which is kind of unreasonable to add into the Anime anyway) is the monologue of the characters where they show what the characters are thinking during a battle. This of course is an advantage that the V/N has over the Anime and a part of the V/N I enjoyed very much. But on the other hand, you have to realize that adding the monologue to the Anime would be although not impossible, be kind of unreasonable.

Other than the monologues and narratives, I don't really see much of a difference in this episode at least when you compare it to the V/N. Some scenes feel a lot shorter when compared the the V/N but that is because there is a lot of monologue in the V/N which they did not include in the Anime.

If I remember correctly, didn't rin use the 10 gems she had been storing mana in for 10 years to actually do jack shit? Everything in the church was just MEH.


I thought the gem she stored 10 years of semen mana in was the one she used to save Shirou's ass in episode 0/1?

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CookingPriest said:
Yeah, this is officially at the Vanadis and Grisaia level of rushing lol.

I'm sorry but after seeing that there is NOTHING I can take seriously from your posts anymore lol


Most of us have had this moment at some point or other.
May 2, 2015 2:28 PM

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Nice,this episode was good.
May 2, 2015 2:29 PM

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DarkShards said:

Someone asked if there was a magic skirmish in the V/N: The answer is Yes, the V/N had a magic battle where Caster was deflecting everything Tohsaka threw at her just like in the Anime.

Not to make a comparison, but All Rin could do was offset Caster's attacks. And we did not have the previous anime original fight where rin was owning caster with gandrs.

Basically a LOT of episode had to do with problems with previous episodes and with what was in the church. Lancer confro was decent even if it missed the point.

Lancer vs Archer battle was pretty much the same in the V/N.

"Archer barely defending his life" =/= "Archer calmly mocking lancer"
Some people now even assume archer was "holding back" lol

The only part which was lacking (which is kind of unreasonable to add into the Anime anyway) is the monologue of the characters where they show what the characters are thinking during a battle. This of course is an advantage that the V/N has over the Anime and a part of the V/N I enjoyed very much. But on the other hand, you have to realize that adding the monologue to the Anime would be although not impossible, be kind of unreasonable.

Endless monologues are not needed to characterize characters or portray what they are thinking.
May 2, 2015 2:30 PM

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1 of the gems but she had 10. Those gems she used against berserker in fate to destroy his arm remember.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
May 2, 2015 2:31 PM
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black1blade said:
Some guy thinks archer is a greek hero.


At least the red herrings are working for once. Why did no one give a shit about Caladbolg?
May 2, 2015 2:32 PM

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fst said:

I thought the gem she stored 10 years of semen mana in was the one she used to save Shirou's ass in episode 0/1?

That's the necklace from her father, IIRC there was more than her own mana there. Though I'm not sure on this point.

But she has a few other gems of some number I can't recall right now that she saved up for years. In Fate she uses most of them to
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May 2, 2015 2:32 PM

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black1blade said:
1 of the gems but she had 10. Those gems she SPOILAH.


Two different gems.

The one she save 10yrs worth of prana in is the one Tokiomi gave her
The ones she used in Fate and against Caster, are different.
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May 2, 2015 2:33 PM
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SH4kun said:
Are people here seriously claiming that a Saturday morning cartoon villain like Caster ,whose entire motivation to obtain the grail was to live a happy life with his husbando, is a deep character?


lol this
I have never read the VN but she was a terrible villian here they wasted way too much time on her
Couldn't care less for her and her bland master they tried to make her "relatable" but it failed hard

The time would have been better spent on Gilgamesh (who seems to be the final villian but got almost no screentime wtf)

Still that fight (Lancer vs Archer) saved this episode
Hopefully the rest of the episodes are better now that this Caster arc is finally over
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jmcm30 said:
black1blade said:
Some guy thinks archer is a greek hero.


At least the red herrings are working for once. Why did no one give a shit about Caladbolg?


Then they'd think he's King Arthur or Fergus I and II. No way King Arthur would look like that( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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The first fight was awesome. The animation and the pace are still impressive.
And we finally learn that Archer is Shiro (I suspected it for a while) , very good episode. Rin made a beautiful fight too.
I wonder what will happen if Archer kills Shiro.
May 2, 2015 2:40 PM

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Lancer vs Archer was amazing

Shirou was so weak this episode but I know he will get stronger

Saber is back <3

Caster was so cute in her final moments which is funny because I hated her before

Rin was amazing she is so strong even Caster was no match for her

I like Archer a whole lot but it would seem he needs a whole lot of sense beaten into him
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mira-nyan said:
jmcm30 said:


At least the red herrings are working for once. Why did no one give a shit about Caladbolg?


Then they'd think he's King Arthur or Fergus I and II. No way King Arthur would look like that( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


he is RIN's dad go damn it. :<
May 2, 2015 2:41 PM

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fst said:
I thought the gem she stored 10 years of semen mana in was the one she used to save Shirou's ass in episode 0/1?
Rin's pendant that Tokiomi left to her was a century old heirloom that possessed mana equivalent of Rin generating mana for the next ten years.

In addition to that, Rin possessed 20 A-Rank level jewels before the Grail War started, which she stored for the last ten years. She used ten to summon Archer, used one against Berserker and another in the school, when Rider activated the Bloodfort. The other remaining eight were mostly used in this fight. That's why she started with "Acht!", acht being the German word for eight.
May 2, 2015 2:44 PM

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jmcm30 said:
black1blade said:
Some guy thinks archer is a greek hero.


At least the red herrings are working for once.

May 2, 2015 2:49 PM

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Lollo36 said:
jmcm30 said:


At least the red herrings are working for once.



Like I said, Archer is obviously Kerry.

Or...*gasp*
[spoiler]Shirou's long lost onii-chan :O
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May 2, 2015 2:50 PM

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10/10 for ufotable animation. They can turn any average show into an above average anime with their mad skills. Honestly, take away the pretty art and action fights and this show is as mediocre as it gets. Wish the studio would go animate a more worthy series.
May 2, 2015 2:55 PM

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question from anime only viewer regarding archer's identity-



i probably won't get an answer to this that won't be a huge spoiler
May 2, 2015 2:56 PM

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orchidork said:
question from anime only viewer regarding archer's identity-



This should be answered next episode
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The OST during Rho Aias is so based.
May 2, 2015 2:58 PM

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Raziel1991 said:
orchidork said:
question from anime only viewer regarding archer's identity-



This should be answered next episode


if that's the case then i'll just have to wait a week for the question to be answered
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orchidork said:
question from anime only viewer regarding archer's identity-



i probably won't get an answer to this that won't be a huge spoiler


For the same reason he uses an irish sword (caladbolg) as an arrow.
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HandsomeMan said:
10/10 for ufotable animation. They can turn any average show into an above average anime with their mad skills. Honestly, take away the pretty art and action fights and this show is as mediocre as it gets. Wish the studio would go animate a more worthy series.


They have other series but the are bad and no one cares about them like gyo

Honestly no one would have known ufotable without type moon series
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orchidork said:
question from anime only viewer regarding archer's identity-



i probably won't get an answer to this that won't be a huge spoiler


If you followed Fate Zero, you should be able to figure it out. :)
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orchidork said:
question from anime only viewer regarding archer's identity-



i probably won't get an answer to this that won't be a huge spoiler

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TheDodo said:

If you followed Fate Zero, you should be able to figure it out. :)

It has literally nothing to do with F/Z >_>
orchidork said:
question from anime only viewer regarding archer's identity-



i probably won't get an answer to this that won't be a huge spoiler

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stAtic91 said:
The OST during Rho Aias is so based.


True fukasawa is doing an amazing work this season
May 2, 2015 3:05 PM

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Archer vs Lancer was amazing. The rest I didn't care too much for
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HandsomeMan said:
10/10 for ufotable animation. They can turn any average show into an above average anime with their mad skills. Honestly, take away the pretty art and action fights and this show is as mediocre as it gets. Wish the studio would go animate a more worthy series.

On the contrary some would say that Fate/Stay Night is too good for UFOtable!.... But not me. Fate series is amazing, UFOtable are doing this anime great, and anyone who can still say that this is a mediocre shounen anime hasn't actually been watching.
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May 2, 2015 3:06 PM
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I think I'm going to stop even bothering to look at these episode discussion threads

Seriously the shit some people complain at is just laughably pathetic. Stop trying to make the VN seem like the second coming of Jesus in comparison; the difference really isn't that big... >__>

This is a great adaptation and it has been from the start. Is it perfect? No, of course not, but dammit it's close enough. Stop acting like spoiled children 24/7
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HaXXspetten said:
I think I'm going to stop even bothering to look at these episode discussion threads

Seriously the shit some people complain at is just laughably pathetic. Stop trying to make the VN seem like the second coming of Jesus in comparison; the difference really isn't that big... >__>

This is a great adaptation and it has been from the start. Is it perfect? No, of course not, but dammit it's close enough. Stop acting like spoiled children 24/7

Normally I agree but the church scene was just so grr.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
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HaXXspetten said:
I think I'm going to stop even bothering to look at these episode discussion threads

Seriously the shit some people complain at is just laughably pathetic. Stop trying the VN seem like the second coming of Jesus in comparison; the difference really isn't that big... >__>

I would be very happy if those people would just post all of that in the thread that they are SUPPOSED TO. You know, the one that doesnt have "This thread is only about this episode / this anime. If you want to discuss (future) events in the VN or Fate/Zero, compare the anime with the VN or Fate/Zero etc. please use separate threads." as the first post. That way they can spray their salt all over the place and leave us alone.
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So Archer's Noble Phantasm was a layer of shields?

4.5/5

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So Archer's Noble Phantasm was a layer of shields?

4.5/5


Yes, he can also project a bunch of swords and a bow.
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heliodor said:
Rin calling Caster thrid rate and talking about how she was gonna beat her was really annoying. How about you just go ahead and do it instead of talking.

Wasn't it an attempt to rile her up and get her unbalanced?
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So Archer's Noble Phantasm was a layer of shields?

4.5/5

Recall ep 7
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Drake1000 said:
CloudStrifeFFVII said:
So Archer's Noble Phantasm was a layer of shields?

4.5/5


Yes, he can also project a bunch of swords and a bow.


also that dash thingy he does.
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Rewatching Lancer vs. Archer, can I just say,

My greatest disappointment with this series is that all the best fights are too short and all the relatively less good fights are the only ones that last more than 30 seconds.
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It's because they can't afford to have the really well animated fights to carry on too long. Maybe it's time so that means the HF movies will have awesome fight scenes.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
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black1blade said:
It's because they can't afford to have the really well animated fights to carry on too long. Maybe it's time so that means the HF movies will have awesome fight scenes.


UFO sucking mana from UBW to feed HF.
works for me :3
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Archer, still never fails to surprise.
Shirou's skills still suck ass.
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Ass shot at the beginning was unnecessary and did they really have to show the kuzuki's flashback now? Its like Akame ga kill again when they show a character's flashback everytime before they kill them off. Lol the fight between archer and lancer was hyped so much yet it lasted only for 4-5 minute and was completely unsatisfying. Regarding caster and his master, I never cared for the both of them since the first cour so the rest of the episode was pretty much a waste of time.
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Lollo36 said:
jmcm30 said:


At least the red herrings are working for once.



Is that even mentioned at this point in the route? (not counting Fate obviously, it's necessary there for Saber's situation). Fortunately for us, Archer explains it pretty well in his monologue in a couple of episodes.
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black1blade said:
It's because they can't afford to have the really well animated fights to carry on too long. Maybe it's time so that means the HF movies will have awesome fight scenes.


It's not even that.

Gay Bulge vs. Raw Ass was way longer than the actual Lancer vs. Archer fight despite being no less budget intensive.

The biggest disappointment is actually how short Saber vs Assassin was compared to Archer vs. Caster in the same episode. I mean I suppose there was more exposition to put into that battle and it should be longer but the actual time Saber and Assassin were actually clashing blades was almost ludicrously short by comparison.

And it's not like they're saving money animating Caladbolg instead.
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