smelldemon said: no it is not the same. I have watched both series and they are completely differentJD2411 said: Mashima isn't copying him. Anyone can find two panels that look similar even though their context is very different. You would have to be very stupid/gullible to believe this shit. The context seems to be the same you must be blind to not see it |
tsudecimo said: smelldemon said: The context seems to be the same you must be blind to not see it You didn't watch FT, how would you know? Just by looking at the pics and at least some look pretty much the same. I haven't watched FT but i know some about it. I mean look at the pics where usop was beaten by franky's people and the crew goes to revenge him and the ones from FT i guess natsu's friends have been beaten just like you usop and they go to beat the shit of the bad guys. I don't know i might be wrong it's just my opinion but it looks like it has the same context. |
JD2411 said: I have watched both series multiple times and it's the same.no it is not the same. I have watched both series and they are completely different Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
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| I watched both series quite a few times and Fairy Tail is an obvious copy of One Piece |
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| but neither of you have completed rave master which features a lot of the things that you claim fairy tail is 'ripping off one piece' when it is in fact the opposite |
| So this is why Bleach has been selling less volumes. The digital copies are taking away from the printed ones, and bleach is heavily bought online. The mighty has fallen. http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/04/03/one-piece-77th-volumes-first-print-run-drops-below-4-million-mark |
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JD2411 said: but neither of you have completed rave master which features a lot of the things that you claim fairy tail is 'ripping off one piece' when it is in fact the opposite One Piece began print in 1997. Rave Master in 1999. Now I haven't actually watched all of rave master just the first 10 episodes and I don't remember either one being that similar. What stuff are you claiming Oda copied? ichii_1 said: So this is why Bleach has been selling less volumes. The digital copies are taking away from the printed ones, and bleach is heavily bought online. The mighty has fallen. http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/04/03/one-piece-77th-volumes-first-print-run-drops-below-4-million-mark I'd like to quote that billybob1876 comment on crunchy roll: anyone who thinks this is "the beginning of the end" of one piece is nuts It's still doing incredibly well, even if it did dip bellow the 4 mil mark for the first time in years. As the article states this might be because more people are buying digital. |
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ichii_1 said: Prove or never happen.So this is why Bleach has been selling less volumes. The digital copies are taking away from the printed ones, and bleach is heavily bought online. ichii_1 said: Digital manga sucks. :/The mighty has fallen. http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/04/03/one-piece-77th-volumes-first-print-run-drops-below-4-million-mark |
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ichii_1 said: one piece has been losing sales for a while nowSo this is why Bleach has been selling less volumes. The digital copies are taking away from the printed ones, and bleach is heavily bought online. The mighty has fallen. http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/04/03/one-piece-77th-volumes-first-print-run-drops-below-4-million-mark Fullmetal89 said: but most of the stuff that oda copied is in the later chapters of one piece that came out after the rave master chapters with the original. he copied a lot of character designs and plot points. he recently plagiarised bacchus character design from fairy tailJD2411 said: but neither of you have completed rave master which features a lot of the things that you claim fairy tail is 'ripping off one piece' when it is in fact the opposite One Piece began print in 1997. Rave Master in 1999. Now I haven't actually watched all of rave master just the first 10 episodes and I don't remember either one being that similar. What stuff are you claiming Oda copied? |
Fullmetal89 said: He didn't claim that Oda copied Mashima, he claims that FT follows Rave Master to a certain extent instead of OP, and since people claim that FT copied OP, he argues that OP copied Rave Master which FT copied from OP (which is actually from Rave Master according to him)JD2411 said: but neither of you have completed rave master which features a lot of the things that you claim fairy tail is 'ripping off one piece' when it is in fact the opposite One Piece began print in 1997. Rave Master in 1999. Now I haven't actually watched all of rave master just the first 10 episodes and I don't remember either one being that similar. What stuff are you claiming Oda copied? |
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JD2411 said: ichii_1 said: one piece has been losing sales for a while nowSo this is why Bleach has been selling less volumes. The digital copies are taking away from the printed ones, and bleach is heavily bought online. The mighty has fallen. http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/04/03/one-piece-77th-volumes-first-print-run-drops-below-4-million-mark Fullmetal89 said: but most of the stuff that oda copied is in the later chapters of one piece that came out after the rave master chapters with the original. he copied a lot of character designs and plot points. he recently plagiarised bacchus character design from fairy tailOne Piece began print in 1997. Rave Master in 1999. Now I haven't actually watched all of rave master just the first 10 episodes and I don't remember either one being that similar. What stuff are you claiming Oda copied? Again, you got any proof for this? I don't recall any character from One Piece looking like Baccus (the drunken master guy right?). ToG25thBaam said: --snip-- He didn't claim that Oda copied Mashima, he claims that FT follows Rave Master to a certain extent instead of OP, and since people claim that FT copied OP, he argues that OP copied Rave Master which FT copied from OP (which is actually from Rave Master according to him) Fairy Tail and Rave Master are written by the same person he is actually claiming Oda copied Mashima's earlier works. |
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Fullmetal89 said: I can't remember the character's name, but it was actually kaimon who mentioned the similaritiesAgain, you got any proof for this? I don't recall any character from One Piece looking like Baccus (the drunken master guy right?). |
Fullmetal89 said: He's talking about the mascara guy from the Corrida Colleseum.Again, you got any proof for this? I don't recall any character from One Piece looking like Baccus (the drunken master guy right?). |
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ToG25thBaam said: ichii_1 said: Prove or never happen.So this is why Bleach has been selling less volumes. The digital copies are taking away from the printed ones, and bleach is heavily bought online. You just admitted it so why are you asking for proof? :O ToG25thBaam said: http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/04/03/one-piece-77th-volumes-first-print-run-drops-below-4-million-mark Digital manga sucks. :/ Shounen Jump Issue 19: My Hero Academia (Lead CP) One Piece Haikyū!! Food Wars/Shokugeki no Soma World Trigger Gintama Kagamigami Nisekoi Assassination Classroom (CP) Hinomaru Zumou Black Clover Toriko Bleach Grand move ultimate by Shiibashi Hiroshi (One Shot, CP) The Disaster of Psi Kusuo Saiki Cyborg Roggy Kochikame Ultra Battle Satellite Gakkyuu Houtei Takujou no Ageha The Story of Isobe Isobee Preview Shounen Jump Issue 20: Cover, Lead CP: Gintama CP: Shokugeki no Souma, Kekkai Sensen (Special Chapter) |
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Fullmetal89 said: Yea I know.Fairy Tail and Rave Master are written by the same person ichii_1 said: o.o what? You claimed that Bleach is heavily bought online, I never said it wasn't, but heavily? o_oYou just admitted it so why are you asking for proof? :O |
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JD2411 said: Fullmetal89 said: I can't remember the character's name, but it was actually kaimon who mentioned the similaritiesAgain, you got any proof for this? I don't recall any character from One Piece looking like Baccus (the drunken master guy right?). You mean this?  Yeah they look similar. That doesn't mean he's plagarising. The character designs are similar but they are not exactly the same nor are the personalities even remotely similar. Oda isn't the only one that is influenced by other authors. If that even was the case with this character. Take Youpi from Hunter x Hunter for example. He's almost identical to Gotoh from Parasyte and that was intentional. Togashi was a fan of Parasyte. Gotoh  Youpi  Edit: @Introvert Yeah I figured it out. Was trying to type up a response. |
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| These hypothetical situations where if this or that never happen.. yeah.. Shingeki no Kyojin would be the best selling manga of 2014 if it was published in SWJ magazine. excluding limited edition |
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| You can imply that One Piece's success is due to luck all you want. The fact remains that a lot of people liked the manga prior to Toei's adaption and it had a very strong fan base from the start. I get that a lot of people dislike One Piece or think it's mediocre but to chalk up it's rise to fame to luck and good timing is ridiculous. There was a lot of competition from manga such as Naruto and later Bleach when One Piece was starting off. Oda has always claimed his biggest rival was Kishimoto, not Togashi. I think HxH appeals to a specific demographic; people between the ages of 14-21. While One Piece seems to have a more universal appeal. |
FullmetalRaikouApr 3, 2015 9:05 AM
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ToG25thBaam said: Haters love using hypothetical situations and assumptions to make them feel better. Luck or timing is part of skill. These hypothetical situations where if this or that never happen.. yeah.. Shingeki no Kyojin would be the best selling manga of 2014 if it was published in SWJ magazine. excluding limited edition |
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IntroverTurtle said: THIS IS JUST SO TRUE.Luck or timing is part of skill. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
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ToG25thBaam said: These hypothetical situations where if this or that never happen.. yeah.. Shingeki no Kyojin would be the best selling manga of 2014 if it was published in SWJ magazine. It was less than a 500k difference. I imagine if it had 4 volumes per year, instead of 3, it would be number one. If only SnK anime and hype boom, started in 2009. |
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tsudecimo said: Actually, from what I heard they did not include the limited edition sales in that number, and if it's true, Shingeki no Kyojin would have been first that year. By the way, getting it to weekly doesn't mean that Isayama could have maintained quality and popularity. Working weekly and monthly are different.ToG25thBaam said: These hypothetical situations where if this or that never happen.. yeah.. Shingeki no Kyojin would be the best selling manga of 2014 if it was published in SWJ magazine. It was less than a 500k difference. I imagine if it had 4 volumes per year, instead of 3, it would be number one. If only SnK anime and hype boom, started in 2009. |
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| BLEACH 13 anniversary fan voting planning deadline extended !! http://www.j-bleach.com/img/13thblades.jpg It must be doing really good, the game will sell great at this rate. While I'm at it more reasons why TORIKO is mainstream and deserves big 3 status. Paired up with BLEACH, one of the big 3 XD Shonen Jump Comics April new book delivered Memorial [BLEACH / TORIKO] a total of four books in free delivery !! ^google translated http://plus.shonenjump.com/ext/1504/sinkan_pc/index.html And according to Animeland http://www.animeland.com/news/voir/8798/Top-50-par-serie-Oricon-de-2014 Toriko has sold 1.8 million and is ranked 31 last year. 31) Toriko (1,877,287) |
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ichii_1 said: BLEACH 13 anniversary fan voting planning deadline extended !! http://www.j-bleach.com/img/13thblades.jpg It must be doing really good, the game will sell great at this rate. I really hope the anime returns just so we can see that at least. |
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| I do expect IntroverTurtle, RedRoseFring, Fullmetal89 and ToG25thBaam will change their minds about Fairy Tail though. And the tartaros arc starts tomorrow! get hyped! Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
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JD2411 said: And the tartaros arc starts tomorrow! get hyped! Sun-Village arc comes first |
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ToG25thBaam said: Huh? Tartar sauce?How many episodes do you think it will take to adapt the whole Tartaros arc?  Idk, I think he can eat it for a little while longer, maybe 2 episodes, 3 if he really savors it. |
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ToG25thBaam said: These hypothetical situations where if this or that never happen.. yeah.. Shingeki no Kyojin would be the best selling manga of 2014 if it was published in SWJ magazine. excluding limited edition I just love that people need to create so many hypothetical situations to justify One Piece success.But they forget that not having a manga on Jump but on another magazine is the Author fault that wasnt able to convince the editors that his work was good enough.They say that SNK would beat One Piece if it was weekly,but ignore the fact that if it was weekly the anime could be completely different and it wouldn't had been released in 2013 but 1 or 2 years before going fully against One Piece when it was selling even more than last year.They also don't care that One Piece released 3 volumes just like SNK on 2014 due to Oda health. And the best one is the hypothetical idea that HxH would destroy One Piece without Hiatus LOL. |
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haddy0209 said: I think the big 3 era is dead its been really over defintely since naruto ended . Back in the day they were not just all hype and sales . All 3 had great storylines , plottwists , character development around the same time in anime and manga. None really can replace any of them , those magazine covers with monkey ichigo and naruto Bleach been subpar for a few good years now. same with naruto . one piece is the only one i can say its slipped but not to the point of the other 2 imo say if wrong but i always thought big 3 was a american term not from japan . but i dont think there will be a new big 3 there be something else people wiill start to follow Big 3, was about popularity not quality. |
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Fullmetal89 said: I'm going to go fishing in a few hours. Got to get the most out of my vacation before I go back to Cleveland Arctic Circle I forget we live in the same city So it seems that Bleach has at least another 50-70+ chapters before the final confrontation, Dressrosa will probably wrap up a few chapters before 800, and ol' Nardoe will be back to the canon sometime within the next few weeks Now since the anime is about to reach one of the lowest points of the Ninja War arc, it's weird that personally I'm looking forward to the canon episodes. It might be because after the anime ends Naruto will truly feel "over", might be because I want to see how Studio Pierrot(and Ninja Storm 4) handles the final battles of the series, since, regardless of what they may do wrong, they at least give a fuck about the manga they're adapting. Or maybe I just have sentimental attachment to Shippuden than I realized. I dunno. You know what else is cool about Nardoe ending? We should be able to rack up at least 2-3 pages of discussion on Shippuden alone since anime watchers and manga readers will finally be to talk about stuff without restriction. (Yaaaaaay)Although anyone who isn't spoiled on at least one thing that happens in the epilogue is a rare breed (Naruto having a son doesn't count) |
haddy0209 said: true but they had quality to back it up . cant be popular and not be somewhat good . they were good for what they were . but at a time you could say all 3 were great to read . you look foward to read them every week That's pretty baseless. Popularity doesn't have anything to do with quality. And their quality is subjective. For example, I never once, at any point in time, thought that Bleach and One Piece, were as good as Naruto. It's always been Naruto is great, bleach is decent (minus Fullbring arc) one piece is terrible, for me. |
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JD2411 said: I do expect IntroverTurtle, RedRoseFring, Fullmetal89 and ToG25thBaam will change their minds about Fairy Tail though. And the tartaros arc starts tomorrow! get hyped! I already mentioned many pages ago that for the first time in a long while I'm actually having fun reading Fairy Tail. The recent arc, while it's nothing spectacular, has been much better than the last 3 arcs in the manga. I'm not holding my breath and expecting too much out of the arc but it's been entertaining. My only real complain so far has been I'm not too excited for the Tartar-sauce arc in the anime. I didn't care for it in the manga. The bunny girl was annoying as fuck. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
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haddy0209 said: Bleach been subpar for a few good years now. same with naruto . one piece is the only one i can say its slipped but not to the point of the other 2 imo Have we been reading the same things? :( Naruto was awful with the madara asspull, it would have been legendary if Kishi didn't sellout. Bleach is the best, period, stop listening to the bleach haters, they don't even read it. One piece has been just urghhhhh, I'm enjoying fairy tail more than it. Kaimon said: So it seems that Bleach has at least another 50-70+ chapters before the final confrontation No, with kubo's pacing, it's about 200 chapters left. |
ichii_1Apr 3, 2015 10:31 AM
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haddy0209 said: Not true. Explain me how Naruto is popular then. Or Justin Bieber. Or Bloodborne.true but they had quality to back it up . cant be popular and not be somewhat good |
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ichii_1 said: haddy0209 said: Bleach been subpar for a few good years now. same with naruto . one piece is the only one i can say its slipped but not to the point of the other 2 imo Have we been reading the same things? :( Naruto was awful with the madara asspull, it would have been legendary if Kishi didn't sellout. Bleach is the best, period, stop listening to the bleach haters, they don't even read it. One piece has been just urghhhhh, I'm enjoying fairy tail more than it. I'm not the biggest Naruto fan out there but I don't see how Madara was an asspull.... He was overpowered if that's what you mean but both Madara and where foreshadowed many times in the manga. If you are referring to Madara that was also explained many times before. |
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| Between one piece, naruto, bleach and fairy tail which one has the best animation? I know that fairy tail is the only one that is in HD all the way through. |
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Kaimon said: A few weeks being like 5?and ol' Nardoe will be back to the canon sometime within the next few weeks |
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sullynathan said: Probably Naruto, then Bleach.Between one piece, naruto, bleach and fairy tail which one has the best animation? I know that fairy tail is the only one that is in HD all the way through. IntroverTurtle said: That's like one tenth of a year..Kaimon said: A few weeks being like 5?and ol' Nardoe will be back to the canon sometime within the next few weeks |
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sullynathan said: Probably Naruto, which is the worst of those four.Between one piece, naruto, bleach and fairy tail which one has the best animation? I know that fairy tail is the only one that is in HD all the way through. One Piece still has the best animation around when it comes to movies. |
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Kaimon said: So it seems that Bleach has at least another 50-70+ chapters before the final confrontation Kind of a lowball estimate huh? |
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sullynathan said: Between one piece, naruto, bleach and fairy tail which one has the best animation? I know that fairy tail is the only one that is in HD all the way through. According to general opinion. Bleach (mostly for the final arc), then Naruto, Fairy Tail, then One Piece (lol toei) Though, while I don't remember much from Bleach's last arc, I like Naruto's animation more, just recently watched episode 30 from Naruto part 1, and damn, their animation was talented that early on. |
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tsudecimo said: sullynathan said: Between one piece, naruto, bleach and fairy tail which one has the best animation? I know that fairy tail is the only one that is in HD all the way through. According to general opinion. Bleach (mostly for the final arc), then Naruto, Fairy Tail, then One Piece (lol toei) Though, while I don't remember much from Bleach's last arc, I like Naruto's animation more, just recently watched episode 30 from Naruto part 1, and damn, their animation was talented that early on. I would agree with that yeah. Bleach had some great animation especially in some of the last filler arcs and the final arc. Naruto has had great animation as far as cannon episodes. One Piece fluctuates a lot, back during the latter half of Ennies Lobby till the end of Sabody I think the animation peaked. After that it would fluctuate. You had some episodes with really good animation especially during Marineford and the latter half of Fishman Island. Then you have a lot of episodes that had much lower quality. It's to be expected of such a long anime. Not just because it's Toei. That said I agree with Lupa in that One Piece movies always have great animation. |
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| Fairy Tail actually worse animation that pre-skip One Piece, but at least the manga's art is high quality IntroverTurtle said: Kaimon said: A few weeks being like 5?and ol' Nardoe will be back to the canon sometime within the next few weeks Meh. Close enough gedata said: Kind of a lowball estimate huh? Kubo has historically bad pacing and barely any content per chapter, but how much can even he pad out 5-7 volumes with before the final face-off? At this point Bach and his "executives" are the only ones left iirc |
ToG25thBaam said: I know right, it's already 13 episodes or weeks long and they're most likely only in the last 1/3 of the second exam.IntroverTurtle said: That's like one tenth of a year..A few weeks being like 5? Pierrot's no doubt my least favorite studio when it comes to filler. One Piece, Toriko, Prince of Tennis, and even Fairy Tail(kinda sorta) beat Bleach and Naruto in that section. |
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lupadim said: Lol Aokiji was funny at the end of the clip.One Piece still has the best animation around when it comes to movies. |
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lupadim said: Ain is such a cutie.sullynathan said: Probably Naruto, which is the worst of those four.Between one piece, naruto, bleach and fairy tail which one has the best animation? I know that fairy tail is the only one that is in HD all the way through. One Piece still has the best animation around when it comes to movies. |
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Fullmetal89 said: ichii_1 said: Have we been reading the same things? :( Naruto was awful with the madara asspull, it would have been legendary if Kishi didn't sellout. Bleach is the best, period, stop listening to the bleach haters, they don't even read it. One piece has been just urghhhhh, I'm enjoying fairy tail more than it. I'm not the biggest Naruto fan out there but I don't see how Madara was an asspull.... He was overpowered if that's what you mean but both Madara and where foreshadowed many times in the manga. If you are referring to Madara that was also explained many times before. |
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| This probably not a good idea, considering the regulars of this thread, and their align. But which series do you think handles death better? (FT, Naruto, Bleach, op, HxH) I'm indifferent to the general concept, but I do think it can enhance some plot developments/character developments, and it sometimes can leave a bad taste in mouth. My thoughts is that, while FT and one piece, don't necessarily need death, because the general tone in them, they still should stop putting the characters in near death situation, and them survive in miracles, and one piece in particular has a lot of cartoon-ish violence, and most of it's death is from flasbacks, which can get tiring. Bleach. Hmmm. I don't know, I guess it's okay, but nothing stood out, because not many relevant character died. HxH. Aside from Alluka's. It's quite good, only problem, is that most of the death, comes from fodder, and only few important characters died, but then again, it's not as long as the other series I brought up. Naruto. I think it handles it, the best. Few characters were in near death situation, but survived with a miracle (I can only recall one actually, Obito, and the rocks). A lot of important/relevant characters with good screen time, died, and had purpose, and enhanced some aspects, developments in the series. Some people complain about Rinne Tensi, and Edo Tensi, and I honestly don't get it, especially in Edo Tensi, because the characters brought back by Edo Tensi are still technically dead, and were sealed off later, so their death or it's impact wasn't negated. Not to mention, it was a very important jutsu in the war arc, and I loved it's application with Madara. As for Rinne Tensi, it was important for the meeting with Naruto and Nagato, and for the plot. Not to mention, only two named characters died anyway (Kakashi, and Shizou), and their death wouldn't really accomplish much, outside of the arc itself. |
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