| There's a fairly strong and logically sound consensus about G-Senjou no Maou and Rewrite (visual novels) being near impossible to adapt due to route timeline intermingling, complexity and sensitivity to too hamhanded foreshadowing. (which G-Senjou is already guilty of IMO) And while I find the prior to be a bit overrated, I would still get a kick of an adaptation, because while it's a bit naive, substandard in characterization and heavy handed in telegraphing its twists, it sits quite highly regarded among VN readers if nothing else for nostalgia and for a unique psychological mystery plot. Then there's the rest of the Haruhi Suzumiya light novels. I have no idea what's going on here, but there has to be a reason it's being sat on other than just petty studio politics, right? I'm not familiar with manga much, so if anyone has examples here that would be greatly appreciated. Question/ TL;DR: IF a studio attempted a source material most fans consider "unadaptable", is there any middle ground between failing spectacularly and huge success? (With a high chance of the prior) And is that risk not worth it? Similarly, if a studio managed to pull off the "impossible", is that going to elevate them to new levels, particularly industry and/or market respect? I do hear a lot of praise towards Mad House for their adaptation choices, anyone can fill me in on the specifics on this? Thanks, if you made it this far. |
Red_TuesdayMar 16, 2015 3:57 AM
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| I'm actually of the opinion that G-Senjou no Maou would probably work better as an anime than most VNs with routes, considering even the true route has chapters which are more-or-less dedicated to each character. At the very least, it prevents problems that sometimes arise from trying to fuse too many routes together, or coming up with some other weird reason to have multiple different endings of the VN in a single anime. Of course, the big twist itself would be very difficult to pull off convincingly, primarily because it relies on perspective trickery (as you implied.) Fortunately, it doesn't leverage the VN medium too hard, which makes me hopeful that there is potentially a way the writers could get themselves out of the fix. Difficult, but certainly easier than some other titles such as Ever 17, which could not work as an anime at all (Purely because an adaption to another medium would undermine half the message.) |
| Well, the film Cloud Atlas is based on what was thought to be an unadaptable piece of literature. It sorta failed spectacularly. I don't think it's impossible.. but i do think, perhaps, a medium that's linear in its storytelling wont be the best adaptation. |
Red_Tuesday said: i dont know about g-senjou, but rewrite is fairly linear, not much choices, and the logistics of an adaptation don't sound too hard (common route -> the 5 routes omnibus style -> moon -> terra), just that it would need at least 52 episodes, and we don't live in the time of clannad anymore when long anime was more commonThere's a fairly strong and logically sound consensus about G-Senjou no Maou and Rewrite (visual novels) being near impossible to adapt due to route timeline intermingling, complexity and sensitivity to too hamhanded foreshadowing. (which G-Senjou is already guilty of IMO) Red_Tuesday said: i wouldn't for rewrite, as i already read it.. and wouldn't care too much about g senjo eitherAnd while I find the prior to be a bit overrated, I would still get a kick of an adaptation, because while it's a bit naive, substandard in characterization and heavy handed in telegraphing its twists, it sits quite highly regarded among VN readers if nothing else for nostalgia and for a unique psychological mystery plot. Red_Tuesday said: light novels just [almost] never get fully adapted; not to mention that haruhi is still ongoingThen there's the rest of the Haruhi Suzumiya light novels. I have no idea what's going on here, but there has to be a reason it's being sat on other than just petty studio politics, right? i'm not exactly sure why, but i think it has to do with the ln publishing companies being different from manga ones, and preferring the ad-for-the-source-material type of adaptation i also heard kyoani got more money from their own IP's (even Tamako Market and KnK) than from Haruhi Red_Tuesday said: every circlejerked high rated seinen manga that has no anime(mainly vagabond, 20cb, punpun, yotsuba but there should be others)I'm not familiar with manga much, so if anyone has examples here that would be greatly appreciated. Red_Tuesday said: maybe; danganronpa sold a decent 4.5k... there should be others in the same range; Question/ TL;DR: IF a studio attempted a source material most fans consider "unadaptable", is there any middle ground between failing spectacularly and huge success? (With a high chance of the prior) since you did not give any examples of this IF, let me try some.. monster - 0 - failing tsukihime - 14k - huge success Red_Tuesday said: nah; if it's really considered unadaptable, then it's for a good reason, i.e. works better as manga/vn/ln than animeAnd is that risk not worth it? Red_Tuesday said: if by "pull off the impossible" you mean one that both sells a lot, and is well recieved, then yeahSimilarly, if a studio managed to pull off the "impossible", is that going to elevate them to new levels, particularly industry and/or market respect? Red_Tuesday said: doing psychological anime that is well recieved, but usually does not sell much(kaiji, akagi, monster, paranoia agent...)I do hear a lot of praise towards Mad House for their adaptation choices, anyone can fill me in on the specifics on this? |
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| Paranoia Agent has been "not new" for how long..? And I can still buy a Maromi plushie? Seems like a financial win. |
| It really depends on the series and a lot of overall factors ,stuff like 20th Century Boys seems to be pretty much unadaptable nowadays due to its length and how the anime industry works in terms of adapting stuff that are still being published in order to market the original source foremost,avoid making long running series and sticking to 1-2 cours series.Even long battle shounen manga series ,which were once the cream of the crop in terms of popularity, don't seem to get that much push.... But if it were a few 10 years back when Monster was still airing it wouldn't have the to far fetched for 20th CB to also get the green light on a adaptation ,it could have been very possible at the time. |
amateurMar 16, 2015 4:47 AM
| I sometimes watch chinese cartoons/stuff and share unsolicited opinions. |
| One Punch man will be adapted as an anime this year and it was considered to be "unadaptable" coz of its gorgeous art. I still hav faith that Yotsuba will be adapted as well (I hope) |
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| I don't think most of the VNs made in the past 10 years would be that problematic. The most famous ones are all nerd oriented. But yeah, stuff like 20th CB would be atrocious with moe colors and dubstep. |
Remv_quevav said: One Punch man will be adapted as an anime this year and it was considered to be "unadaptable" coz of its gorgeous art. I still hav faith that Yotsuba will be adapted as well (I hope) There are some very talented artists out there.. they are not working on Sailor Moon Crystal so there's a chance they would work on this project. |
mecharobot said: I don't think most of the VNs made in the past 10 years would be that problematic. The most famous ones are all nerd oriented. But yeah, stuff like 20th CB would be atrocious with moe colors and dubstep. Moe colors are a thing? |
aloricg said: but teh author of Yotsuba says that an anime adaptation of it will not workRemv_quevav said: One Punch man will be adapted as an anime this year and it was considered to be "unadaptable" coz of its gorgeous art. I still hav faith that Yotsuba will be adapted as well (I hope) There are some very talented artists out there.. they are not working on Sailor Moon Crystal so there's a chance they would work on this project. |
| Twitter and it's consequences had been a disaster for the human race |
| From the manga i read the only ones that i consider "Unnadaptable" are Sun-Ken Rock, because the art is too good, and Homunculus, because is 2deep4u to be adapted as an anime. But i feel with a high budget OVA project (like Hellsing Ultimate) they could work. |
Remv_quevav said: aloricg said: but teh author of Yotsuba says that an anime adaptation of it will not workThere are some very talented artists out there.. they are not working on Sailor Moon Crystal so there's a chance they would work on this project. Depends on how narrow the vision of the author is.. Where you begin artistically is the thematic underpinning of the work. what's Yatsuba "about" so to speak? Then, sinc eit appears to be ongoing and full of material without a direct sequential plot.. choose mini-plots that best reflect that overall theme. Arrange them to enhance the theme and make a big overall statement. Stitch together, fill in blanks with thematically appropriate material. Narrative that is presented in a linear fashion has a sort of mechanical/mathematical essence to it. If you present an audience with A+B they conclude it equals C. You need to just fill in the blanks in the equation until it gives the same result as the original work. |
| I still don't understand why Azuma is so disillusioned about it, especially after the popularity and success of the Azumanga adaptation. I mean, is the 'artistic vision' so very different from the end result? I'd be counting those shekels all the way to the bank. |
| G-Senjou would totally work as an anime. Just ignore all the non-canon side character routes and adapt the true route that's practically also the common route. |
| Some of them will, some of them won't. It all depends how the production studios think about them. |
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| So long as there is potential money flowing in, companies will roll the "unadaptable miracle" dice and hope something goes right. Just look at Chaos;Head. |
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| I'm still waiting for an adaptation of Uturo no Hako to Zero no Maria before I see more VNs getting adapted. Of course, that would probably turn out terribly too. Anybody see the Corpse Party OVAs? I lost all hope for a decent Corpse Party adaptation ever since. |
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| You'd have to be pretty damn crazy to attempt to adapt Rewrite. I've hardly started the damn thing and even I figured that much out by myself. |
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| Yes, it's called Toriko and it failed horribly. You just can't translate that much quality into animation. |
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| As far as I know, Vinland saga and Übel blatt seem to be pretty unadaptable. |
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| I dont have any huge experiences about hard-to-adaptable souce but i knoW SOME Battle Royale-Who could adapt a novel with lots of gore and headshots? Or 3/4 will be censored Hentai Kamen-Seriously, no one can see the hilarity of this one, or nobody ll understand Old Boy-we got already the live-action, what do we need more? Gunnm-the manga was great but not sur if they can do that |
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FGAU1912 said: nothing cannot be be done not evrry thing can be done well They should try anyway, I need something different in LN adaptations and the stagnation is killing that kind of adaptation. |
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| Monogatari was said to be unadaptable and it is very good. There is hope. |
| Can't wait to see if Prison School is up to the challenge |
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ghoullovesharem said: Old Boy-we got already the live-action, what do we need more? Gunnm-the manga was great but not sur if they can do that Lots of seinen and josei manga have a higher possibility of being adapted into live-action for that matter, and they have potential being made into J-dramas as well as K-dramas from time to time. By the way, there is an anime for "Gunnm" as you can see. |
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StevenHu said: ghoullovesharem said: Old Boy-we got already the live-action, what do we need more? Gunnm-the manga was great but not sur if they can do that Lots of seinen and josei manga have a higher possibility of being adapted into live-action for that matter, and they have potential being made into J-dramas as well as K-dramas from time to time. I only talk about anime here |
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ghoullovesharem said: StevenHu said: Lots of seinen and josei manga have a higher possibility of being adapted into live-action for that matter, and they have potential being made into J-dramas as well as K-dramas from time to time. I only talk about anime here If something gets a live-action film adaptation, it's chances of getting an anime skyrocket (see Kaiji and Parasyte) StevenHu said: ghoullovesharem said: Old Boy-we got already the live-action, what do we need more? Gunnm-the manga was great but not sur if they can do that Lots of seinen and josei manga have a higher possibility of being adapted into live-action for that matter, and they have potential being made into J-dramas as well as K-dramas from time to time. By the way, there is an anime for "Gunnm" as you can see. Yes and let us never speak of it again |
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