Have you had a thread closed you thought was valid "discussion" because a mod thought it was "chat" ?
There seems to be a lot of thread closing and removal going on around this forum. I just wanted to get a feel of things more formally, because even threads I don't see seem to be getting closed/moderated-away which others feel were legitimate "discussion" instead of the banned-from-existing "chat." So, have you posted a topic you felt was ripe for real discussion only to have it removed because the mods feel it was chat? And why don't the mods understand that chat and discussion mean nearly the same thing? How on earth do they determine the difference? |
| People too afraid of mods to respond. |
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Spooky_Love said: People too afraid of mods to respond. My thought too.. which is troubling. Any sort of police agency that will not allow critical discussion of its operations, particularly by the people it's purporting to protect, is inherently corrupt. |
| What I don't understand is why chatting is a reason to close a thread, especially in casual discussion. I'm not one for chatting much, but I don't think it's a realistic reason to close a thread. Seems a little bit tyrannical to me. "People sharing happy, lighthearted banter? AGAINST THE RULES!" |
xEmptiness said: "if we follow what SW is suggesting, nihilism is the conclusion" |
| didn't the last OP of a thread like this get banned/closed for misrepresentation? lol |
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Syrup- said: didn't the last OP of a thread like this get banned/closed for misrepresentation? lol Misrepresentation..? Ok, what dictionary is at use here on MAL? Because now i'm really confused. |
Lost_Future said: Spooky_Love said: People too afraid of mods to respond. Nah, there's nothing to talk about here. It's not stupid enough for shitposting, and serious discussion will result in nothing but a possible ban for discussing administrative actions or "chatting". It's not that a ban bother me. I like my bans fancy, not for seriously discussing something they won't give two shits a bout anyway. Space-Wizard said: What I don't understand is why chatting is a reason to close a thread, especially in casual discussion. I'm not one for chatting much, but I don't think it's a realistic reason to close a thread. Seems a little bit tyrannical to me. "People sharing happy, lighthearted banter? AGAINST THE RULES!" Traffic. As in they don't want any..? Every page refresh generates more ads - ads are paid by impression (fractional amount) and click-through (big bucks). Almost no one in a forum is going to click-through. You need the page views and refreshes to generate income. By making up "chatty" topics you're making the forum money. |
| Well seen as you asked and it is on topic. My recent serious thread on gender and sexuality was closed down recently because some users de-railed and instead of banning those responsible seen as the rest of us were having a serious discussion in the thread, they just closed down my whole thread letting the troll win and showing that its ok to troll, its not ok to post real discussions. When I tried getting it re-opened and asked for the posts to be deleted so the topic can go on seen as people were posting seriously and telling them that it was actually a personal subject I really wanted to discuss about. They said what i was saying was a dupe and told that there were plenty of gender/sexuality threads before so mine wasn't needed. The end. I'm done trying to have any serious discussions around here. Mal lost another person willing to actually try discussions. From now on I lower my posting to regular stuff like sex and sex jokes. Welp suppose i should get ready for my ban for speaking about things that actually happened and somehow that means im doing it to hate on mods or spread hate or whatever, not just saying what happened factually. |
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| I recently had someone message me terrified of being banned because they spoke their mind. I haven't seen any evidence that this is a thing on this board, so I have no reason to think that people should be scared of that, but the fear is there for whatever reason, if there is a reason. What is clear though is that the moderators are thread-lock happy, often for silly subjective reasons, and I'm going to say that it's ridiculous. What it really boils down to are the rules pertaining to the casual discussion board, and whether or not the users agree with them. I think for the most part people seem to be unhappy with them or at least unwilling to follow them at many points throughout their use of the forum. Please refrain from creating threads that do not encourage discussion; e.g. simple listing, youtube video or picture collecting, etc. Offhand remarks, often consisting of 1-2 words, do not contribute to nor encourage meaningful discussion. Posts should contain thought. The Casual Discussion board is not a chat room. Please use your profiles, PMs, or our IRC channel (#myanimelist@rizon.net) for this purpose. It is also not a spam board. Pointless threads will be removed. General questions/personal concerns should be posted in our General Advice Thread. These rules basically make it so any thread at any time is in violation of at least one rule, making it susceptible to being locked at a moderator's subjective will. I don't know if I ever see threads that don't violate at least one of these. |
xEmptiness said: "if we follow what SW is suggesting, nihilism is the conclusion" |
| Well, I firmly believe that acts of transgression are beneficial to the whole - so regardless of the outcome I've done my part to get people to think and question things. Which in and of itself is no easy task. |
aloricg said: Yeah and Galileo got shut down for believing the earth revolves around the sun. Doesn't matter much if you get people to think if the mods/admins are the iron fist.Well, I firmly believe that acts of transgression are beneficial to the whole - so regardless of the outcome I've done my part to get people to think and question things. Which in and of itself is no easy task. |
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Syrup- said: aloricg said: Yeah and Galileo got shut down for believing the earth revolves around the sun. Doesn't matter much if you get people to think if the mods/admins are the iron fist.Well, I firmly believe that acts of transgression are beneficial to the whole - so regardless of the outcome I've done my part to get people to think and question things. Which in and of itself is no easy task. But over time his ideas were taken seriously. If they were never presented they'd never get the chance to be taken seriously. |
| My impression is that most of the locked threads were just simple listing threads anyway which is against the board rules. |
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TyraMisoux said: My impression is that most of the locked threads were just simple listing threads anyway which is against the board rules. This is what I'm talking about right here. What is actually wrong with a listing thread? I've always thought it would be cool to have a place to share themed videos and images, in a place accessible to all instead of tucked away in a club somewhere with the same forty people. I don't understand this rule or most of them pertaining to this board, they don't make a lot of sense for a casual discussion board and are very rarely applied to such boards on other forums. |
xEmptiness said: "if we follow what SW is suggesting, nihilism is the conclusion" |
| I'm on my last warning, so I don't think I should say anything... ...Yeah, I'm just going to leave this thread and not come back. |
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| place focuses too much on discussion when MAL likes chatting too much. Should be named Chit Chat not Casual Discussion. Everyone knows the discussions here when we get them aren't casual. |
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| Its just a website at the end of the day. I don't think it matters really :s |
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Kagami_Hiiragi said: Its just a website at the end of the day. I don't think it matters really :s I spend 1/10th of my waking life here, it matters. |
xEmptiness said: "if we follow what SW is suggesting, nihilism is the conclusion" |
| This is some conspiracy stuff right here, all you guys need are pixelized faces, fake names, and an altered voice. In all seriousness, you can't expect ''just'' moderation from anonymous people, it's not like they all agree upon what is a chat and what is a discussion. There are bad mods and good mods, and they themselves choose what they want to be. Don't like it, apply for moderator. |
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| The only times I've seen threads close before have been when someone's been figuratively curbstomped, trolled, or shitposted into oblivion for sharing some really retarded opinions. -and that's a damn shame. Those have been the funniest threads! |
| Now you're wondering if there's white text in any of my other posts. Over there, I'm everywhere. I know that. |
| Chatting is when you talk about something without value. F.e.: "Hey, wazzup?" -"I'm doin good dawg" ---> There is nothing to discuss/You can do it in PM. You can chat in PM or in the comments so you don't need to start a fkin thread or start talking with other users about things only you two understand. But if you want to have a discussion, you usually want others' opinions too so you obviously can't do it in PM and that's when you start a thread. Tbh some mods close threads which are not chatting but not discussing anything either. But then again, most of us come here for fun so why do they always expect the users to write essays and studies about everything? And I think the problem with listing threads is not the listing itself, but the fact that they would overshadow all the other threads and it would look kinda bad. Imagine the first 50 pages of the anime section are "Zazuke vs Naturo SSJ Zuperrazengan" type of threads and you need to skip to page 51 to find normal threads with real discussion. |
ZeesMar 15, 2015 4:48 AM
Saki-nyan said: Chatting is when you talk about something without value. F.e.: "Hey, wazzup?" -"I'm doin good dawg" ---> There is nothing to discuss/You can do it in PM. You can chat in PM or in the comments so you don't need to start a fkin thread or start talking with other users about things only you two understand. But if you want to have a discussion, you usually want others' opinions too so you obviously can't do it in PM and that's when you start a thread. Tbh some mods close threads which are not chatting but not discussing anything either. But then again, most of us come here for fun so why do they always expect the users to write essays and studies about everything? I guess I fail to see the harm in this "chatting". Is it just because it's subjectively annoying to some people? Closing a thread because it annoys the person with the ability to close it is an abuse of power. I know it's well within the rules to do so, but I'm directly arguing with the rules. |
xEmptiness said: "if we follow what SW is suggesting, nihilism is the conclusion" |
Space-Wizard said: Saki-nyan said: Chatting is when you talk about something without value. F.e.: "Hey, wazzup?" -"I'm doin good dawg" ---> There is nothing to discuss/You can do it in PM. You can chat in PM or in the comments so you don't need to start a fkin thread or start talking with other users about things only you two understand. But if you want to have a discussion, you usually want others' opinions too so you obviously can't do it in PM and that's when you start a thread. Tbh some mods close threads which are not chatting but not discussing anything either. But then again, most of us come here for fun so why do they always expect the users to write essays and studies about everything? I guess I fail to see the harm in this "chatting". Is it just because it's subjectively annoying to some people? Closing a thread because it annoys the person with the ability to close it is an abuse of power. I know it's well within the rules to do so, but I'm directly arguing with the rules. But the thing is, you can chat in PM or in the comments and you don't need to start a thread or start chatting with someone about personal things. I guess most people and the mods probably don't like visiting a thread that looks promising then seeing post towers of 2 or 3 users talking about things nobody else cares about. |
Space-Wizard said: Saki-nyan said: Chatting is when you talk about something without value. F.e.: "Hey, wazzup?" -"I'm doin good dawg" ---> There is nothing to discuss/You can do it in PM. You can chat in PM or in the comments so you don't need to start a fkin thread or start talking with other users about things only you two understand. But if you want to have a discussion, you usually want others' opinions too so you obviously can't do it in PM and that's when you start a thread. Tbh some mods close threads which are not chatting but not discussing anything either. But then again, most of us come here for fun so why do they always expect the users to write essays and studies about everything? I guess I fail to see the harm in this "chatting". Is it just because it's subjectively annoying to some people? Closing a thread because it annoys the person with the ability to close it is an abuse of power. I know it's well within the rules to do so, but I'm directly arguing with the rules. Its not just MAL. I have a huge history of moderating forums and managing websites and I can certainly say off-topic chatting is seen as spam in many places (especially when the chatting carries on and on). Though, I'm a pretty strict moderator so my mindset may be programmed to agree with them. |
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Space-Wizard said: TyraMisoux said: My impression is that most of the locked threads were just simple listing threads anyway which is against the board rules. This is what I'm talking about right here. What is actually wrong with a listing thread? I've always thought it would be cool to have a place to share themed videos and images, in a place accessible to all instead of tucked away in a club somewhere with the same forty people. I don't understand this rule or most of them pertaining to this board, they don't make a lot of sense for a casual discussion board and are very rarely applied to such boards on other forums. You obviously won't be able to prevent the commentators from listing, that's true, but imo, it's in the responsibility of the TS to phrase their OP in a way that makes an actual discussion possible. The threads that are now on the first page are all simple listing threads all created by the very same three or four users. |
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TyraMisoux said: Space-Wizard said: This is what I'm talking about right here. What is actually wrong with a listing thread? I've always thought it would be cool to have a place to share themed videos and images, in a place accessible to all instead of tucked away in a club somewhere with the same forty people. I don't understand this rule or most of them pertaining to this board, they don't make a lot of sense for a casual discussion board and are very rarely applied to such boards on other forums. You obviously won't be able to prevent the commentators from listing, that's true, but imo, it's in the responsibility of the TS to phrase their OP in a way that makes an actual discussion possible. The threads that are now on the first page are all simple listing threads all created by the very same three or four users. Aren't nearly ALL the anime recommendation threads just lists from other users? I rarely see an explanation as to why an anime is recommended. |
-shotz said: nearly every thread on here is "chat." the mods obviously can't lock them all so they just lock a few threads--usually the most interesting or controversial ones--every once in a while so they can say they're doing their job. Do i need to start citing sources or something for it become super-super-serious DISCUSSION? |
| Hey MAL should have a thread just dedicated to chatting like the Henshin Justice website. That way, the moderators wouldn't lock threads for chatting anymore. http://forums.henshinjustice.com/showthread.php?85652-The-Viewing-Globe-More-Badass-Than-The-End-of-Days/page162 |
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aloricg said: Aren't nearly ALL the anime recommendation threads just lists from other users? I rarely see an explanation as to why an anime is recommended. We were talking about the CD board. |
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TyraMisoux said: aloricg said: Aren't nearly ALL the anime recommendation threads just lists from other users? I rarely see an explanation as to why an anime is recommended. We were talking about the CD board. I thought avoiding listing and short 1-2 words responses was the rule for the entire site, not just CD? |
aloricg said: TyraMisoux said: We were talking about the CD board. I thought avoiding listing and short 1-2 words responses was the rule for the entire site, not just CD? That's news to me. |
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| I was a little annoyed that Spook's thread got closed. It was an interesting topic that actually had some discussion going on; I had just read all the posts and responded as the thread devolved into flame wars. I can see how mods would lump it in with the other garbage, sex-related threads that have flooded CD at first glance, but it was probably the only one that actually had discussion going on other than "omg sex! *insert meme picture*" going on. I agree with whoever said punish the people responsible for derailing instead of closing the thread. I think the 2-3 person flame wars that pop up in threads are a bigger problem than the junk topics of discussion. Nothing turns me off from a thread quite like giant quote trees and people arguing whilst neither budges an inch from their original position no matter what. |
| Yeah I've seen threads get locked that I wished were still open for thoughts. But in all honesty it sets examples of what went wrong and what should be avoided. I would like to see more thread cleaning but I guess that just too much with the current understaffed team. |
 Behold of my awesomeness~ controversial and/or sensitive topics likely devolve into the same repetitive, derogatory, abusive, and harassing comments can no longer be posted. But my feels. |
aloricg said: There seems to be a lot of thread closing and removal going on around this forum. I just wanted to get a feel of things more formally, because even threads I don't see seem to be getting closed/moderated-away which others feel were legitimate "discussion" instead of the banned-from-existing "chat." So, have you posted a topic you felt was ripe for real discussion only to have it removed because the mods feel it was chat? And why don't the mods understand that chat and discussion mean nearly the same thing? How on earth do they determine the difference? I have a hard time believing you made any kind of thread worthy of any serious or real discussion. |
aloricg said: Yes, several times.So, have you posted a topic you felt was ripe for real discussion only to have it removed because the mods feel it was chat? aloricg said: Because they're incompetent. They don't, they just don't, they make shit up sometimes. And why don't the mods understand that chat and discussion mean nearly the same thing? How on earth do they determine the difference? Although there is a difference between chatting and discussing on MAL. The moderators, most of the times, don't make an actual distinction, they just come up with reasons to lock threads because they're offended themselves, some dolts are offended so they report repeatedly etc... Their newest excuse is "this thread is a dupe."... |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Immahnoob said: Although there is a difference between chatting and discussing on MAL. The moderators, most of the times, don't make an actual distinction, they just come up with reasons to lock threads because they're offended themselves, some dolts are offended so they report repeatedly etc... Their newest excuse is "this thread is a dupe."... That's true. I have noticed this trend. For example they may lock a thread claiming it doesn't help discussion and just above it they let a thread about "Name your favorite cheese" continue on. If it was really about not creating discussion you would locked another 3 or 4 threads on that page but you didn't. You just locked the thread that annoyed you. Which shows that you are just bullshiting us. |
Saki-nyan said: But the thing is, you can chat in PM or in the comments and you don't need to start a thread or start chatting with someone about personal things. I guess most people and the mods probably don't like visiting a thread that looks promising then seeing post towers of 2 or 3 users talking about things nobody else cares about. I can agree with this, a lot of threads that start off good turn into quote towers of unrelated chat after a few pages. There's no real returning to the original topic at that point. Edit: I also think the reason why so many threads turn into chat towers is because if you aren't there when it first turns into a chat tower then you won't be a part of the conversation so you try to do it in a different thread before it's too late and you get left out. |
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| Quite the long one, I like thread like these :) I find using duplicate thread as a reason to lock threads isn't the best one. The OP is one of the most influential person for his/her own thread due to having be able to control the title and the first post. With duplicates, the other OP (made a similar thread earlier) might have lost interest to the topic or possibly had enough. I've seen a little of the large bumps and that some OP didn't like it. I just sort of feel that duplicate threads aren't all that bad. I do think that locking for some part of it is anti-fun (just like most rules, really), we can't really put the blame on the MAL staff like that. Sort of that the cause must be as much as its effects, and that for MAL users that post has an impact on the consequences. Like how people post spam with reaction pictures, the huge quote towers that doesn't seem to get anywhere or tl;dr. While I do find that assumptions of threads being bad and the inconsistency leading to bias isn't great. Though I would imagine a mod seeing it for the x amount of times, it really won't be easy to not assume as it might as well be just an even larger cycle that would still repeat itself. The OP taking the hit for the users derailing the thread isn't great, but any OP is still a member of MAL, the community is also at fault in this sense. Derailing leads to lock, users bring derailing. Heh, just felt like saying something. Haven't fully got everything out by I guess the general picture of how I see it is out there. |
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MechaKiryu said: This is funny because MAL has 4 chat threads. They're hard to find though, they should be stickied or something. Hey MAL should have a thread just dedicated to chatting like the Henshin Justice website. That way, the moderators wouldn't lock threads for chatting anymore. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=516119#msg18240893 |
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EratiK said: MechaKiryu said: This is funny because MAL has 4 chat threads. They're hard to find though, they should be stickied or something. Hey MAL should have a thread just dedicated to chatting like the Henshin Justice website. That way, the moderators wouldn't lock threads for chatting anymore. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=516119#msg18240893 Looked at them.. they don't even qualify as "chat" - they're just people posting random stuff. Edit: Further, if that's what "chat" is around here, then there's no way in hell it's justifiable to have closed several threads for being "chat" instead of "discussion." I have never seen a closed "for chat" thread remotely resemble the brainlessness that is in those threads. |
aloricgMar 15, 2015 9:44 AM
| If people didn't spend so much of their time on mal this wouldn't be a problem, I mean there are chat threads so its not like its banned and listing is not allowed because there is no discussion. |
| I've been here way too long... |
TheConquerer said: If people didn't spend so much of their time on mal this wouldn't be a problem, I mean there are chat threads so its not like its banned and listing is not allowed because there is no discussion. Why exactly is it even a problem..? |
ii84 said: Forum games board.They simply should add a "Chit Chat" board, where listing is allowed etc, be full of shit post, spam but at least you wont get a ban for asking people what they got for christmas or what the cringiest video they have seen is... |
| *yawn* So what are we talking about again? *yawn* Oh yea, about chat and discussion. Eh, just keep it real and not annoying. |
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| People really wluld get banned for casual or general chat? |
| My name is Terrence always is Terrence and will always be Terrence Current Accounts: ThePinhead3333, |
| you lose your appeal when u become a mod since you are the law and we have no other option but to obey |
| save all the cute girls from ntr manga |
lnfo said: You can always be Immahnoob.you lose your appeal when u become a mod since you are the law and we have no other option but to obey Or try to, it tends to work. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Immahnoob said: no thx i dont want to have 12 bans under my beltlnfo said: You can always be Immahnoob.you lose your appeal when u become a mod since you are the law and we have no other option but to obey Or try to, it tends to work. thats actually impressive you came close to red keys |
| save all the cute girls from ntr manga |
lnfo said: I have 16 bans under my belt.Immahnoob said: no thx i dont want to have 12 bans under my beltYou can always be Immahnoob. Or try to, it tends to work. thats actually impressive you came close to red keys |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
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