Aldnoah.Zero 2nd Season Episode 7 Discussion

julyachan said:
Talking to Darklight is useless with all that Slaine Hate in his heart.
Im done here ahhaha.

Im waiting for the end.

Darklight0303 said:


Which is not true. It would have taken a while but had Sazbaum not made a mess of things and started the war, things could POTENTIALLY have started mending.

julyachan said:


It would have taken a while.
Still war, still people killed, still no peace from the beginning.
xD

Darklight0303 said:


ANd I'll be there with the 'I told you so' when my line of reasoning is proven true.

Darklight0303 said:


You make no sense. It would have been a revolution if it stayed within Mars soil. The war was never a certainty until Sazbaum MADE it one.

julyachan said:

But Sazbaum made it right?
And this was the point of no return.
NOT SLAINEs faut.
xD

Litrydow said:
Someone put this show out of its misery, for God's sake. The train is wrecking so hard that the pain is unbearable.

deadoptimist said:
I think that there're practial laws of writing, and an experienced writer could formulate some more or less proveable principles, but it seems that we don't have one here.

But I think that while Inaho has a personality in sense that he is a person with some traits, there're problems with the writing of his character.

The first and the obvious being that he doesn't have flaws. The only one that is demonstrated is that he can be inconsiderate sometimes, but that doesn't affect his social life. Normally a character is given flaws to seem human.

The second issue I have is that he has no backstory. We know that he lost parents and lived with Yuki, but nothing more - that makes him seem a clean slate and contributes to the impression, that some have, that he is dull.

He doesn't seem entirely normal. His skills in science (and we don't know the exact number of fields, which doesn't help) are higher than those of most people. In the same time his face is inexpressive and his need for social interaction seems lower than that of the most people. That suggests savantism, autism or at least some sort of deviation, but despite being an interesting trait is has been written down as "he is always like this". But Yuki comments on his facial expressions, since they are not readable, so don't we need more attention towards his unique traits? You'd be interested, if you met a guy like him.

His social situation seems unrealistic. A person with stunted social behaviour is more likely to repel people, especially in teens, especially of opposite sex. And Inaho is show in the center of a group of friends. People in groups gather to interact, so he could be dragged around - hardly a center of attention.
People have argued that it' doesn't have to be like that, but when talking about people we usually address aour experiences. Mine is that louder, more energetic people attract friends more than quiet introverts. The latter are less noticed, cause they're quiet.

Inaho's progression is really subtle, as if in not really noticeable, compared to his counterpart in the plot. His appearance is almost unchanged, his outfit stays mostly the same. He became slightly more talkative, but it is not really much considering the time passed.
(Subjective note - I have to agree with those who say that him starting to giving encouragements rounds him up as an ideal character even more, so it doesn't seem to me as a good decision)

Inaho doesn't have introspection moments besides thoughts of Asseylum, so we don't know about his concerns, dreams, worldview or way of thinking (besides the love for eggs). The oly thing we know he is rational.

The writing doesn't do a good work of showing this basic trait. Or, more precisely, we are shown only the good side, while the scary side of overly rational person - the fact that you can get a lower priority in their eyes than some goal - is not touched upon.

He is not put in any context. We don't know of his relationship with command (the remark of him being not a team player was good, but it was singular and it is not developped). We don't see him interacting much with his peers - if it's a negative traits, they don't react to it. Only Inko helps. But more importantly we don't see him in the bigger picture of Earth defense forces (unlike, I am sorry, Slaine).

Inaho doesn't react to other people's actions much.

In short - we know very little of him, he has more negative traits than positive ones, and it's not really compensated with anything besides the action scenes.

Btw, I leave this as a a bait and go to sleep, sorry. -_- Gotta work to do tomorrow morning.

liavalon said:
I actually want Slaine to win the war. Fk the good guys, their characters are boring!

LittleStar said:

+1

I only wonder and I can't wait to see ending of this series...
Have some many ideas for ending...
Wonder which trope they will pick xD

Anyway... I want Inaho to die, but this is impossible, because even they kill him, he will return with new heart, new brain, new lungs or... as robot. -.-

Inugirlz said:
I didn't see anyone respond to your post (i could be wrong but i think i checked) and I believe that the main reasons no one responded was 1) because there's nothing here to dispute, I think you hit Inaho's character development on the mark or 2) because they're too busy discussing hardcore math theory. Ew.

Litrydow said:
Someone put this show out of its misery, for God's sake. The train is wrecking so hard that the pain is unbearable.

Darklight0303 said:


Slaine is the final boss. It's obvious. He's keeping the princess in the dark in her gilded cage, in the middle of a fake garden ignorant of what is being done in her name with her image. Smart on his part but it will bite him in the ass for sure.

Next episode we have the hardest battle Terrans have had in this war

mangalicker94 said:


how do you guys know that? is a manga released of the series. because on wikipedia there is only the anime. :/

stephenmac7 said:


It's speculation based on the ending of this episode.

mangalicker94 said:


how do you guys know that? is a manga released of the series. because on wikipedia there is only the anime. :/

Darklight0303 said:


It is Slaine's fault for helping Sazbaum. Again saving him from Inaho was a huge blunder that almost cost him everything and he has yet to take true responsibility for that instead shifting the blame on Inaho and on Sazbaum. Sazbaum did not even call to Slaine for help and he stupidly intervened. That is how much of a puppet he is.

kymano said:

Again? people use episode 12 like its a freaking bible.Ok who the heck is INAHO? Slaine doesnt even know who Inaho was or is during that time and the impression he got from Inaho was that Inaho wanted to exploit the princess.Slaine back then was too naive to believe that people can see their errors, remember he did confront Saazbaum to not kill the princess to which did show Saazbaum the errors of him blaming his problems on the princess.Sadly, Saazbaum already digged a deep hole for himself and needs to the go all the way through.Also Slaine was planning on stopping Saazbaum right after that incident but it was already too late.Ok lets say Inaho DID kill Saazbaum, who the heck is SLAINE?? Inaho doesnt even know Slaine.If you were in Inaho's line of view , the only thing Inaho would see is another Martian mech rushing towards him, in the heat of war Inaho would have to duel Slaine(who clearly had no clue how to pilot his own mech) therefore Inaho would have killed Slaine and it would be a safe play.Ok what if Slaine surrendered? Inaho has no idea what Slaine looks like and would only see a Martian soldier chances are Inaho would kill him or the UFE will arrest Slaine.Also mentioning Asseylum has no idea where Slaine was nor if Slaine owns a mech so the chances of her bailing him out are slim to zero.So if it had went the other way from the original plot Inaho and Asseylum would have looked for another Terran HQ (probably in space) while Slaine rots in jail. Happy now.

Darklight0303 said:


Conveniently ignoring that the princess was worried about him before she was shot. Also Slaine could have found the princess and she could have smoothed things over betweeh Inaho and Slaine since Inaho would listen to the princess. But alas Slaine's retardation made that impossible.

Also paragraphs are your friend.

kymano said:

It was in the heat of the battle , all the martian soldiers that appeared clearly had an objective to KILL the princess, so in short Inaho will suspect that Slaine's mech is Saazbaum's support and will not take any chances in sorting any misunderstanding out.
Still it is safe play if Inaho DID kill Slaine at that point since Slaine is clearly the enemy here.

Darklight0303 said:


Inaho didn't even see Slaine there until he tackled Inaho off of Sazbaum. Slaine could have easily moved on to find the princess but he didn't. Is your memory seriously that faulty?

YurikoRaine said:
At the moment, for me Slaine is the best character in terms of development.

kymano said:

Slaine didnt know where to look for that princess, but he did pick up Saazbaum's reading and followed him to there, the incident where all 3 bust through the wall where the princess is , i find that to be a coincidence but whatever.
After the incident ,it was clear that Slaine was going for Saazbaum to try to stop him that is until he heard the princess's cry for Inaho. As Slaine could react Saazbaum shot the princess which left Slaine in shock and shot Saazbaum in retalition.Again he has no idea who Inaho was but still under the impression that Inaho is a threat and shot him.
Alright lets choose the route if Inaho killed Saazbaum, what would Slaine do? What if Slaine chose to run away from Inaho, where would he go, Saazbaum death would have shut off the entire Landing Castle leading more UFE soldiers to full assualt and Slaine would have been captured.
Again what if Slaine surrendered , Inaho doesnt know Slaine, Inaho would just see a Martian soldier and would not want him to get any close to the princess.
So in any options things werent looking good for Slaine there.

Darklight0303 said:


Are you stupid? First off Slaine knew that the princess was on the giant ship. The same giant ship that was now impaled into Sazbaum's castle after he downed it. He had more than a big lead to walk by and look for the princess and the moment he found her, she would have cleared things up immediately and he would not have had to run away. How delusional are you to make things up to justify that idiot's actions.

kymano said:

Im not justifying Slaine per say, i am only make obvious statements regarding the event that took place then,Slaine's target was either Saazbaum or the princess and it seemed he found Saazbaum first. After stopping Inaho from killing Saazbaum.
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp6W34yAj98
As you see there he was looking for Saazbaum and not the princess so the princess part was just coincidence.

Darklight0303 said:


It makes no sense for him to look for Sazbaum since he was the BIGGEST known threat to the Princess' very life. His decision is still unbelievably retarded

kymano said:

Because Slaine was too stupid and naive to even believe he could change Saazbaum to consider not killing princess at that time. Sadly that failed, it seems that it is difficult to negotiate with Counts because Counts rather to have their own way.

Damaera said:
jesus fucking christ you guys take fiction way too seriously

Darklight0303 said:


Anyone with a functioning brain could tell you that about the counts after speaking to them only once. For someone who was around the knights for years he sure as hell acted like it was his first time dealing with them.

kymano said:

Well Slaine can accept his stupidity but Asseylum on the other hand is as stupid as well and thats what i think worries Slaine. a dumb princess who has grown sheltered and fails to connect with her own people will make a teribble Empress who will be played by Counts. Thats why Counts have began a liking for Slaine because Slaine finally speaks their language.

Darklight0303 said:


No the counts take a liking to him because he has the fake Princess backing him.

nina4life said:
Whoever was the person in last episodes thread that said: "Wait for princess to wake up without memories", I fracking salute you.

Toucanbird said:
I don't know why this show gets a bad wrap.

I think it's pretty cleverly written. The only thing I have against it is I do find Slaine's "rise to power" considering the mentality of Vers seems a bit rushed. He goes from essentially ordinary kid to crown prince in less than two years and everyone in the Vers Empire is accepting of that? That aspect of it doesn't seem right.

Although, I'll give a lot of props to the writing of Slaine's character. He's actually downright brilliant.