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robis798 said: ABeautifulTable said: But if she said Inaho 15x, you would've rejoiced right?slaine .... slaine .... slaine .... slaine .... slaine .... slai- STFU wait wut ? that would be fkin annoying hearing the princess repeating inaho's name too |
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| The Martians are attacking as a team in a war, imagine that.... |
ABeautifulTable said: robis798 said: But if she said Inaho 15x, you would've rejoiced right? wait wut ? that would be fkin annoying hearing the princess repeating inaho's name too So wait. You don't like hearing Slaine-sama's name. But you also wouldn't like to hear Inaho's name repeated multiple times. Ahhhhhhh..?..???>>??  |
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| Slaine x Ass OTP. Imahoe is a cockblocker that should be executed. |
Casval_onii-san said: You don't have to state the obvious.Slaine x Ass OTP. Imahoe is a cockblocker that should be executed. |
| I think that there're practial laws of writing, and an experienced writer could formulate some more or less proveable principles, but it seems that we don't have one here. But I think that while Inaho has a personality in sense that he is a person with some traits, there're problems with the writing of his character. The first and the obvious being that he doesn't have flaws. The only one that is demonstrated is that he can be inconsiderate sometimes, but that doesn't affect his social life. Normally a character is given flaws to seem human. The second issue I have is that he has no backstory. We know that he lost parents and lived with Yuki, but nothing more - that makes him seem a clean slate and contributes to the impression, that some have, that he is dull. He doesn't seem entirely normal. His skills in science (and we don't know the exact number of fields, which doesn't help) are higher than those of most people. In the same time his face is inexpressive and his need for social interaction seems lower than that of the most people. That suggests savantism, autism or at least some sort of deviation, but despite being an interesting trait is has been written down as "he is always like this". But Yuki comments on his facial expressions, since they are not readable, so don't we need more attention towards his unique traits? You'd be interested, if you met a guy like him. His social situation seems unrealistic. A person with stunted social behaviour is more likely to repel people, especially in teens, especially of opposite sex. And Inaho is show in the center of a group of friends. People in groups gather to interact, so he could be dragged around - hardly a center of attention. People have argued that it' doesn't have to be like that, but when talking about people we usually address aour experiences. Mine is that louder, more energetic people attract friends more than quiet introverts. The latter are less noticed, cause they're quiet. Inaho's progression is really subtle, as if in not really noticeable, compared to his counterpart in the plot. His appearance is almost unchanged, his outfit stays mostly the same. He became slightly more talkative, but it is not really much considering the time passed. (Subjective note - I have to agree with those who say that him starting to giving encouragements rounds him up as an ideal character even more, so it doesn't seem to me as a good decision) Inaho doesn't have introspection moments besides thoughts of Asseylum, so we don't know about his concerns, dreams, worldview or way of thinking (besides the love for eggs). The oly thing we know he is rational. The writing doesn't do a good work of showing this basic trait. Or, more precisely, we are shown only the good side, while the scary side of overly rational person - the fact that you can get a lower priority in their eyes than some goal - is not touched upon. He is not put in any context. We don't know of his relationship with command (the remark of him being not a team player was good, but it was singular and it is not developped). We don't see him interacting much with his peers - if it's a negative traits, they don't react to it. Only Inko helps. But more importantly we don't see him in the bigger picture of Earth defense forces (unlike, I am sorry, Slaine). Inaho doesn't react to other people's actions much. In short - we know very little of him, he has more negative traits than positive ones, and it's not really compensated with anything besides the action scenes. Btw, I leave this as a a bait and go to sleep, sorry. -_- Gotta work to do tomorrow morning. |
awditty said: How is it contradictory? Axioms exist because we take them for granted thus we don't need to prove them.Casval_onii-san said: It is axiomatic. It doesn't need to be proven because it's so goddamn obvious. Jesus how dense are you people. you contradicted yourself; before axioms were so because people just declare them so, now it's this. |
robis798 said: ABeautifulTable said: wait wut ? that would be fkin annoying hearing the princess repeating inaho's name too So wait. You don't like hearing Slaine-sama's name. But you also wouldn't like to hear Inaho's name repeated multiple times. Ahhhhhhh..?..???>>?? LOL dat gif ! well, slaine is a little bit better than inaho. its just hearing it 15 times it gets annoying. just that >_> |
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Feaor said: awditty said: How is it contradictory? Axioms exist because we take them for granted thus we don't need to prove them.you contradicted yourself; before axioms were so because people just declare them so, now it's this. No there would be no need for mathematical proofs if this were the case, Axioms exist because they were proved to be correct therefore we now take them for granted. Axioms exist because of that proof, without that proof it would be nothing more than "because someone said so." That proof is still required. |
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awditty said: fst said: Actually, math is based on axioms, which are because some people said so. mathematicians think what they do is pretty objective; read a few of these https://www.google.ca/search?q=mathematicians+mathematics++objectivity&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=PhrpVJLXL9PjsASdvICYCA You can't just declare a new axiom for the Peano arithmetic system. CAN NOT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms you're correct, axioms are simply proposals; but that is when a system's first being developed. A mathematician, call them "x" can start with his own set of axioms to develop whatever new system they're exploring. If x publishes his system and colleague "y" shows (gives proofs) there are simpler axioms then community of professionals argues it out- argues the merits of the proofs and in the end the simplest axioms become the standard for the system "x" proposed. It's roughly the same as science** - the argument between competent professionals produces a consensus that's supposed to weed out the errors that individual biases introduce. ** minus the experiments - if the system makes no claims about the real world there are no experiments to do Fuck you, I'm going to make my own arthmetic system. With blackjack and hookers. |
| I think Slaine is just wearing a Villan suit. He is not a real villan, but it's far for being a hero. After this episode I think he finally realized that he is going to loose what he wants the most (Asseylum) because of the things that he made (for a goal that we don't know yet). I don't think he is just a maniac that is trying to kill all the terrans, I think he is planning something. At least, I hope so. If Slaine is just a psycho with no plan, this show is gonna be the most pathetic thing ever. Personally I dont see another possible route for A/Z plot. Peace without war (Asselyum's Uthopy) it's something impossible in the way things are right now. |
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| It was pretty funny seeing Slaine get all pissy when Inaho got mentioned. |
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KamiAlice said: That's not how axioms work, they're taken to be obvious so they don't have to be proven. Like for instance in Real Analysis we say that 0 is a natural number, you can't prove that by itself. You can't prove mathematics from the ground up as Russel and several others did so that's why axioms need to exist so we can take some things for granted.No there would be no need for mathematical proofs if this were the case, Axioms exist because they were proved to be correct therefore we now take them for granted. Axioms exist because of that proof, without that proof it would be nothing more than "because someone said so." That proof is still required. |
| Slaine x Purple Hair Princess |
| Well, I just have one question about this episode: What the hell are those trousers in 21:40? I mean, have you seen them? They're twice as wide as the guy wearing them. O.o |
| Great episode, even showing a slow development showed many facts important for the development of the story, the princess wakes up but not recovered all memories still, ask myself whom Eddelrittuo supports, this may be an important point in the plot, I hope she is against Slaine Finally the war will occur with full force, Inaho will have to be even more badass from now, he will face many enemies and not even know that the princess awoke, but he knows that regardless of what happens, only war will resolve .. |
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OtoRozz said: What the hell are those trousers in 21:40? I mean, have you seen them? They're twice as wide as the guy wearing them. O.o out of all things you could complain about .... |
| The real Hime-sama is finally back!! Can't wait till she finds out what Slaine's been up to this whole time: http://i.imgur.com/NnoGhN1.gif Also, that's one hell of a nice bath they have in Slaine's place. And the Earth people are finally screwed now that the Martians have learned teamwork? |
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| I think it is great we've spawned a full on axiom discussion over me essentially just inflating the point that there's no way someone thinks judging writing is as objective as mathematics. Can we do something like this every weekend? I'm not even being facetious, I'm serious. This is way better than the usual discussion. |
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Feaor said: KamiAlice said: That's not how axioms work, they're taken to be obvious so they don't have to be proven. Like for instance in Real Analysis we say that 0 is a natural number, you can't prove that by itself. You can't prove mathematics from the ground up as Russel and several others did so that's why axioms need to exist so we can take some things for granted.No there would be no need for mathematical proofs if this were the case, Axioms exist because they were proved to be correct therefore we now take them for granted. Axioms exist because of that proof, without that proof it would be nothing more than "because someone said so." That proof is still required. I thought 0 being a natural number was widely disputed? I thought there was no universal agreement as to whether 0 was to be included as a natural number or not. Anyway this conversation was derailed to much now. ANGRY2011 said: I think it is great we've spawned a full on axiom discussion over me essentially just inflating the point that there's no way someone thinks judging writing is as objective as mathematics. Can we do something like this every weekend? I'm not even being facetious, I'm serious. This is way better than the usual discussion. I kinda prefer a scientific experiment as to whether or not sex would be great in zero or low gravity |
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KamiAlice said: Sure and that's why there are different sets of axioms, but you can't prove that 0 is not a natural number without axioms.I thought 0 being a natural number was widely disputed? I thought there was no universal agreement as to whether 0 was to be included as a natural number or not. Anyway this conversation was derailed to much now. |
ANGRY2011 said: I think it is great we've spawned a full on axiom discussion over me essentially just inflating the point that there's no way someone thinks judging writing is as objective as mathematics. Can we do something like this every weekend? I'm not even being facetious, I'm serious. This is way better than the usual discussion. Don't forget about the hot, sweaty 0g cripple sex. |
Feaor said: well you're right then in that sense, but isn't it a requirement for an axiom to be so self evident that it accepted without controversy? Which going back to what started this discussion, which was the objectivity/subjectivity of writing, doesn't that mean that writing can't be considered axiomatic? Since there is no universally accepted definition to what good writing is? The most we can hope for is widely accepted which is still based on subjective principles.KamiAlice said: Sure and that's why there are different sets of axioms, but you can't prove that 0 is not a natural number without axioms.I thought 0 being a natural number was widely disputed? I thought there was no universal agreement as to whether 0 was to be included as a natural number or not. Anyway this conversation was derailed to much now. |
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KamiAlice said: I kinda prefer a scientific experiment as to whether or not sex would be great in zero or low gravity fst said: Don't forget about the hot, sweaty 0g cripple sex. Right, right, I can dig it. |
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My face right now! Holy shit. Holy, fucking shit!. |
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| Slaine Trollhard strikes again. Oh well I enjoyed this ep too~ It seems like he went down a path with no return. I expect a really drama heave ending. My guess is that both princesses are gonna die before/after Inaho-Slaines final battle. Oh well it's still way too soon for stupid guesses. Can't wait for more !! |
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KamiAlice said: I don't think you can necessarily expect an axiomatic system to be accepted with no controversy, even the ZFC formulation of set theory which is the most common axiomatic formulation of set theory has its detractors. There just has to be enough supporters and some solid reasoning behind the axioms you chose, I don't think its impossible to come up with a set of axioms for writing that can be used to judge writing more objectively.well you're right then in that sense, but isn't it a requirement for an axiom to be so self evident that it accepted without controversy? Which going back to what started this discussion, which was the objectivity/subjectivity of writing, doesn't that mean that writing can't be considered axiomatic? Since there is no universally accepted definition to what good writing is? The most we can hope for is widely accepted which is still based on subjective principles. |
leelee619 said: Cloudy-Sky said: Slaine Trollhard strikes again. Oh well I enjoyed this ep too~ It seems like he went down a path with no return. I expect a really drama heave ending. My guess is that both princesses are gonna die before/after Inaho-Slaines final battle. Oh well it's still way too soon for stupid guesses. Can't wait for more !! If that happens and if Slaine and the emperor dies then who will run the vers empire? The empire will collapse one war or another. |
Feaor said: KamiAlice said: I don't think you can necessarily expect an axiomatic system to be accepted with no controversy, even the ZFC formulation of set theory which is the most common axiomatic formulation of set theory has its detractors. There just has to be enough supporters and some solid reasoning behind the axioms you chose, I don't think its impossible to come up with a set of axioms for writing that can be used to judge writing more objectively.well you're right then in that sense, but isn't it a requirement for an axiom to be so self evident that it accepted without controversy? Which going back to what started this discussion, which was the objectivity/subjectivity of writing, doesn't that mean that writing can't be considered axiomatic? Since there is no universally accepted definition to what good writing is? The most we can hope for is widely accepted which is still based on subjective principles. Pardon my manors, but why the discussion about that subject?? in what way does it relates to the episode at hand?? Very respectfully, a tl;dr explanation would be awesome. |
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lablackmamba said: My face right now! Holy shit. Holy, fucking shit!. This is getting to intense, man I love this show. All hail Slaine. |
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lablackmamba said: Someone else started talking about an axiomatic system to judge writing more objectively like mathematics and I just hopped on board because I'm a math nerd.Pardon my manors, but why the discussion about that subject?? in what way does it relates to the episode at hand?? Very respectfully, a tl;dr explanation would be awesome. |
| Ah, once again I see through you Slaine. You pretend to want to conquer the Earth, unite the knights, create a new kingdom...but really you just want to kill Inaho, your rival for the Princess' affections, especially since she was recalling Inaho with that dreamy look on her face, "I went bird watching with him....le sigh" |
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| I feel like Slaine's situations is gonna blow up in his face and he's gonna have a meltdown, either because he can't the Princess or because the other Princess can't have him, or when the Princess finds out wtf's going on. Either way this upcoming battle should be interesting. The self-implosion, less so. It always seems the same with mainline forces being over-confident and imcompetent at the same time in anime. It's like a general rule to make the protagonists look better... But I wish they'd make more smarter generals like Balalaika from Black Lagoon and even she falls a little short. Gotta get some more Marine generals in the mix. lol. |
yngtadpoleFeb 21, 2015 7:21 PM
fimbu1vetr said: TheUnbiasedOne91 said: TIME TO DIE FOR THE REGULARS. INAHO CAN'T STOP THIS. (if he does I am not watching anymore, if one of them don't die. They can't possibilly all survive this unscathed) They probably will survive somehow anyways... lolol. MonadoRudra said: Good to see despite his doubts, Slaine eventually carried on with being 'Saazbaum's heir' instead of pursuing his comparatively much less interesting goal of 'being with the Princess' in S1. Indeed. Slaine at least does more interesting stuff compared to Inaho, who just uses his millennium eye that lets him cheat and defeat another mook knight every battle. Because Slaine doesn't use his future sight hax to stay alive in every fight he's in anyway. Oh wait. He does. Your kind's double standards are so hilariously bad. |
Darklight0303Feb 21, 2015 7:31 PM
| If Inaho somehow defeats every single enemy next episode without even one significant death in the crew, he'll officially be elevated to Shiba Tatsuya-level disgustingly overpowered. SASUGA ONII-SAMA. No, really, fuck Inaho. Turn hax off pls. Either way, Slaine's being a little bitch this episode. Has to be expected, he's still shit, yet surprisingly still not the worst character on the show. Either way he doesn't fail to entertain me. What worries me is that when oblivious blondie finally realises what Slaine has been up to, she won't be able to do shit cause he'll just lock her up (and the lolimaid as well, because why not) in the garden or some shit and proceed to marry the pinky cripple while resuming his plans for world domination. ...Except it'll never happen cause Inaho will rescue blondie, probably with the help of pinky cause she has betrayal written all over her. Can't wait to watch the trainwreck, the buildup is real. |
| Even though im not a big fan of Slaine, i found the reunion scene he had with the princess was pretty touching. This is getting really good ^-^ |
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