Aldnoah.Zero 2nd Season Episode 5 Discussion

Kaioshin_Sama said:


That's not what was said. What was said was that Slaine was originally envisioned as a more ambitious character from the get go and that one idea he had for the original mid season cliffhanger involved Inaho and Asseylum falling in love and Slaine taking Asseylum away and escaping a desperate situation but these were some pretty early ideas that were popping into his head among others. He also said he never actually came up with the characters in the show or rather he doesn't identify with any of the ones in the show and they weren't his idea. He claims he only came up with the story concept which he'd apparently though of back in 2011 but had to already edit the first draft and his ideas for it because Gundam AGE beat him to the punch on some plot points apparently. Also originally the Vers were supposed to just be aliens.

I don't recall anywhere were it was said that he was specifically supposed to be the villain, but it does seem like they are trying to incorporate some of those early ideas into this season albeit obviously in different ways and situations to fit (somewhat) the current situations in the show. I think there's no way to tell if anything was as Urobuchi envisioned or not because I doubt he had envisioned much of anything beyond the setup for the show and some ideas for a cliffhanger.

Also worth mentioning is that Urobuchi has not said a single word anywhere in public about the show since someone asked a question about it and said he couldn't really talk about it cause he wasn't a part of the shows staff and decision making process anymore and to ask Ei Aoki and Takako Shimura instead.

liavalon said:
Sure, challenge the guy who just took out a base all by himself to a duel. Brilliant!

seujair31 said:
Episode 18-21 title

第18話　深い森を抜けて―The Rose and the Ring―
第19話　楽園の瑕―Here to There―
第20話　名誉の対価―The Light of Day―
第21話　夢幻の彼方―The Fortune's Fool―

Darklight0303 said:


Episode 20 sounds like the princess will wake up.

KamiAlice said:
Not even Guilty Crown had the happily ever after ending, what makes you think this will?
Plus Shonen is a demographic, not a genre. Typical Shonen Hero, explains very little.

Jonesy974 said:

It's funny, since everything you say is entirely worthless. You hate the show so much, yet make it your mission to watch it every week. Just to come back and say how much you hate it. And I call you out on your douchebag antics every week.

bastek66 said:

What the fuck has shounen with this? Shounen is demographics. Not a genre.
And A/Z's demographic is clearly FUJO. Just look at majority of fanarts on pixiv.


I don't hate it. I'm still curious how much more shit they will make it. Stop whining if you can't refute arguments.

deadoptimist said:

2. Inaho has aldnoah and they have fuckton of aldnoah-powered technology in fallen castles on Earth. Why don't they work on it?

Raziel1991 said:


That is something I have been wondering myself. There is no reason as to why the terrans could not have built a aldnoah-powered kat atleast for Inaho.

deadoptimist said:


Inaho hasn't had the power for long, but it's strange that they don't work on it large-scale. They must have Saazbaum's castle for themselves and it has a lot of functional cores, must also have kats and databases. And the scientists should be interested as well - both in Inaho and the captured count.

jdbe said:
It's good that the episode had some sort of character development. It's been rare to see that in this show, it was more present last season than this season but I believe that it's good to have a few episodes like this once in a while. I would probably disagree that inaho was developed mainly because the answers he gave to his sister and rayet were very simple like "I'm going to save the princess cause she saved me". I would probably say it came across like he was a developing agent, such as his conversations led to his sister getting developed and rayet (who's been completely forgotten this season, even thought she could've been a great character).

I have no idea what Slaines intentions are anymore, the whole bird in a cage thing was a good metaphor explaining how he is treating both princesses, but nevertheless, it's obvious he'll win against the other count. I mean come on has the show not proven to anyone that the only characters who won't die against side characters are inaho and slaine. At least mazuurek was nice, it was really good to see a count who wasn't an obnoxious baboon.

Still, inaho and his lie detector eye though. It just makes it easier and easier for him in the show, typical.

deadoptimist said:


Inaho hasn't had the power for long, but it's strange that they don't work on it large-scale. They must have Saazbaum's castle for themselves and it has a lot of functional cores, must also have kats and databases. And the scientists should be interested as well - both in Inaho and the captured count.

seujair31 said:

As always with their children and biased comments against Inaho

Every episode the same boring comments, these fanboys Slaine, always looking for defects in Inaho. and always with the same excuses.
Slaine had a great development in this episode, it took a Troll Lemrina. As always Lemrina proving that Slaine is troll anime, and any character passes it backwards.

As always with their children and biased comments against Inaho

another contradiction disagree that Inaho was developed mainly because the answers he gave his sister and rayet were very simple as "I'm going to save the princess because she saved me"

Interesting when your loved Slaine I'm doing this to save the princess because she saved me and therefore I am loyal, and will slay all and destroy the world you call great development

face your comments are ridiculous as you, you review a fact of another character, most call him when development is for your character
  every bird in a cage thing was a good metaphor that explains how he is treating both princesses
you ta joke is only your own opinion, and his desire as fanboy Slaine. it can be interpreted in many ways
The caged Passaro is Asseylum whose obsessive Slaine keeps sedated because he knows that it would go against their follies, and that she would run to help the Terrans. And Lemrina would be the penguin has no wings to fly.
Amazing the only thing you sees is so your Slaine Amodo which is a total plagiarism character Bizon

seujair31 said:
If he no longer had the aldnoah power, deucalion would stop work, as well as with Tharsis, which Slaine had to renew activation. more deucalion remains active, this indicates that Inaho still has the power aldnoah

Darklight0303 said:
Even if the scientists are interested Inaho is out on the field not in some research facility to help with their experiments and development.

Darklight0303 said:


Even if the scientists are interested Inaho is out on the field not in some research facility to help with their experiments and development.

Darklight0303 said:


Well the Deucalion drive was definitely Completely off. Inaho reactivated it. So people with activation rights can't reactivate a drive that's been deactivated. Slaine had to go to Lemrina when she shut off Tharsis after all.

Darklight0303 said:
Well the Deucalion drive was definitely Completely off. Inaho reactivated it. So people with activation rights can't reactivate a drive that's been deactivated. Slaine had to go to Lemrina when she shut off Tharsis after all.

deadoptimist said:


The system is too unclear. The core was controlled by the princess, since it went offline with her loosing consciousness. It didn't come back, even though she is alive, but was activated from its dead state by Inaho. Could the same logic apply to, say, Cruhteo's and Saazbaum's cores, since they're dead? Or does it depend on the one who gave them the rights? But then, who was it? Isn't it possible that some of the fallen knights also have power from Asseylum? But then we don't know how princess' near death affected the cores of the knights and why can't they know whether she is dead or alive by observing the cores activated by her? (Btw, shouldn't have the king knew she was alive at the start of the war then?)
Slaine seemingly got the power the same way. But he can't activate Tharsis's core. But that maybe Lemrina overrunning his authority. But then, what did she do? If it was powered down, could she put some sort of security that didn't allow for reactivation? Or could she rob Slaine of his power at a distance? Or did she do it previously? Or can she take a person's aldnoah through his core?

Not much sense here and not much sense in trying to understand.

deadoptimist said:


The system is too unclear. The core was controlled by the princess, since it went offline with her loosing consciousness. It didn't come back, even though she is alive, but was activated from its dead state by Inaho. Could the same logic apply to, say, Cruhteo's and Saazbaum's cores, since they're dead? Or does it depend on the one who gave them the rights? But then, who was it? Isn't it possible that some of the fallen knights also have power from Asseylum? But then we don't know how princess' near death affected the cores of the knights and why can't they know whether she is dead or alive by observing the cores activated by her? (Btw, shouldn't have the king knew she was alive at the start of the war then?)
Slaine seemingly got the power the same way. But he can't activate Tharsis's core. But that maybe Lemrina overrunning his authority. But then, what did she do? If it was powered down, could she put some sort of security that didn't allow for reactivation? Or could she rob Slaine of his power at a distance? Or did she do it previously? Or can she take a person's aldnoah through his core?

Not much sense here and not much sense in trying to understand.

Knight-Artorias said:
Also how do they decide which drive the Knights gets the right to activate?
I mean after pink haired Hime kissed Slaine could he have gone and activated Saaz Kata? or another Knights LS?

seujair31 said:
The princess was shot in the chest region may have hit an artery that pumps blood to the brain

deadoptimist said:


Yeah, that's the big question. They addressed only two states - of having aldnoah and not having aldnoah, but not the issues of transfer and belonging. Like, for example, when Slaine was named heir - how would he inherit activation rights? If they're personal, they seem very important. And it's important whether they depend on the memeber of the royal family that gave them after being received.

And I stand by my shocking discovery. Asseylum must have cores activeted on Mars (how can she not?). The king should've known she was alive when they kept working, while she was on Earth.

seujair31 said:
they should spend less time in the drama, and provide us with more technical information about the aldnoah power, and how the mechas Martians work,

deadoptimist said:


Yeah, that's the big question. They addressed only two states - of having aldnoah and not having aldnoah, but not the issues of transfer and belonging. Like, for example, when Slaine was named heir - how would he inherit activation rights? If they're personal, they seem very important. And it's important whether they depend on the memeber of the royal family that gave them after being received.

And I stand by my shocking discovery. Asseylum must have cores activeted on Mars (how can she not?). The king should've known she was alive when they kept working, while she was on Earth.


Yeah, she sure is unconscious but alive, I don't argue with that.

Knight-Artorias said:
I don't think Seylum activated any Drives I think the Royal family gives activation rights only. can you imagine if all the LS were connected to the half dead Emperor and all of a sudden he dies? that would be pretty much gg xD

Cinza-Zone said:


Impossible. 24 Episodes are not enough to show such things in the main show, you need 36 or 48 Episodes for that. A.Z is constructing most of its lore through Blu-Ray extras and other side materials.

Grey-Zone said:
Impossible. 24 Episodes are not enough to show such things in the main show, you need 36 or 48 Episodes for that. A.Z is constructing most of its lore through Blu-Ray extras and other side materials.

deadoptimist said:

They could've cut some of the ballast characters...
But I don't ask for explanations, I would like to see a comprehensive system at work. With a few hints here and there and rules demonstrated along the course of the show, we could've reconstructed most of it.
I mean, if the rights are personal and guarded, we should hear about this issue at least once, when succession is discussed, for example.

deadoptimist said:


But she must have at least one personal, right? It would be bizarre not to give her one. At least for the test of her powers. An emperor and his heir both have their own servants and residences. Would be strange if the cores there didn't belong to them.
As for the death of the king - yeah, I suppose, the knights should receive something with at least limited autonomy. But the quation of how succession goes remains interesting. Also I am curious if all the numerous cores we saw in Cruhteo's castle are bound to a person.

Grey-Zone said:
Impossible. 24 Episodes are not enough to show such things in the main show, you need 36 or 48 Episodes for that. A.Z is constructing most of its lore through Blu-Ray extras and other side materials.

Grey-Zone said:


Impossible. 24 Episodes are not enough to show such things in the main show, you need 36 or 48 Episodes for that. A.Z is constructing most of its lore through Blu-Ray extras and other side materials.

ninjastarforcex said:
go watch cross ange, everything is better there