| I was just checking the Top Anime page, and for some reason, Legend of the Galactic Heroes was completely gone, and it had been #1, too for a while. Now it's slipped down, what, 50 ranks? Then I clicked on the stat part of the anime page... the people who gave it a one far outnumbered what would be normal for an anime of this repute. 1 9.6% (177 votes) I SMELL A CONSPIRACY! >:[ Sorry, just wondered if anyone else noticed this. |
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| Yeah, I think the Mods need to take a look at this, it very does seem like people are creating accounts to give it 1's. I don't see hundreds of people doing this to Code Geass or Death Note, two other series people feel can be very overrated at times. There's no probable way anyone could get more than 26 episodes into this show and give it a 1. Seriously, you'd need to have mental problems to do that for real. I hope the mods can find the fake accounts and delete them, because no one's going to bother filling an account with other shows. Just by some easy logic and quick looking, it seems that: Xepir, Vertv, Bytrez, and others like that are the ones doing it. Just some gibberish names that added other stuff like Toradora and Hajime no Ippo and what not. That should make it easier to root them out and delete. Basically anyone who makes an account and adds LoGH automatically full seen with not much else content and a low rating should looked at here. |
BluMeinoJun 23, 2009 12:31 PM
| It moved down 50 spots in 2 days. It's a shame that this is such an easy target for trolls since not many people have watched it. |
| Some months ago, there were 44 ones, most of which were trolls. All these new accounts are clearly trolls too. Sad, but true. |
| HOLY SHIT!!!! I've never watched this anime but this is outrageous! |
| I hope it's going to be taken care of, it makes the Top Anime page a joke. |
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| Yeah, I was just looking and saw it hit #6 on the Top OVAs, effectively dropping it off Top Anime alltogether. I call shenanigans on this troll-account spamming. |
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| Who cares about trolls when we have Heldensagen Vom Kosmosinsel under synonyms? |
| qtip is right. It matters not that Legend of the Galactic Heroes is getting trolled. All that matters is the the trolls know that if they prefer they can refer to it as Heldensagen Vom Kosmosinsel. |
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| Maybe the mods are doing something now? I see the score of the show going up a few hundredths of a point after a few seconds. I can hope. I also hope they make some kind of tool on the site to make false voting like that harder. Like finishing a long series and giving a score of 1 is completely inane, because a 1 should mean you dropped the show from hating it that bad, hence, Unwatchable, meaning you couldn't stand to continue, let alone finish. Anyway, the score is rising, to thank you to the admin doing that. I don't know why some people have a hatred for this show. Is it too long/intellectual for them? Does the boring or old art style perturb them so? |
BluMeinoJun 23, 2009 10:54 PM
| I haven't even SEEN this OVA yet, but that many 1 votes in such a short amount of time is simply impossible. Things need to be done to prevent this from happening. I know that the top anime list on MAL isn't really reflective of quality, but even so, blatant abuse of the ratings system is something that undermines the entire concept of ratings. In any case, why a small minority of fuckheads have to go and ruin a fine community of well-mannered individuals is beyond me. I guess they have nothing better to do in their free time. |
qtipbrit said: this thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisWho cares about trolls when we have Heldensagen Vom Kosmosinsel under synonyms? |
BluMeino said: Like finishing a long series and giving a score of 1 is completely inane, because a 1 should mean you dropped the show from hating it that bad, hence, Unwatchable, meaning you couldn't stand to continue, let alone finish. ? No, i have rated shows with a 1 and I really finished them. |
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qtipbrit said: Who cares about trolls when we have Heldensagen Vom Kosmosinsel under synonyms? Wait, that's not true? I thought that was the German version of the name or something..... -embarrassed- But yeah, it's good someone's doing something about this. So the Top Anime page really isn't that accurate, eh? >.< |
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edwarx said: But LoGH is much longer than the average series, which drastically decrease the likelihood of someone finishing it if they really thought it was bad.BluMeino said: Like finishing a long series and giving a score of 1 is completely inane, because a 1 should mean you dropped the show from hating it that bad, hence, Unwatchable, meaning you couldn't stand to continue, let alone finish. ? No, i have rated shows with a 1 and I really finished them. |
| That 'glacticsux' guy isn't the only one, actually. Just the only one who named the accounts in such an insultingly obvious way. I came across something like 60 other accounts probably created just to skew the stats, and it's likely that people are lying about having completed it and giving it a 1 with their personal accounts, too. It's kind of sad when people are this immature about their beloved cartoons-same AIDS that ended up bringing down SaiGAR. |
| Obviously there's a collective of people on this site that don't like this series (possibly because a certain person keeps praising it in every damn recommendation thread ;P) and they are trying to put it down with fake accounts. Just ban them or something like that. Cutting the root of the problem should be much more efficient than banning fake accounts. Though I feel that this action will only serve as a longer temporary solution. I don't really understand the need of such charts in the first place. At least by the name of it. It should be renamed to "Top User Favorites" or something like that because that's what it represents. |
| Is it impossible for the fake accounts to be deleted? They'd just be hanging around dead without the one LOGH-hating entry on their lists. And banning the main perpetrator's account probably wouldn't affect their ability to create dummy accounts-on that end, those 'type the distorted letters' things should be improved, but even that can't be helped if there exists some determined idiot willing to sit through the process. It's likely enough that there's some perpetrator that doesn't even give a damn about this site, and just likes messing with people. It'd be good if that person's IP was banned, but even then they could use proxies and the like, leaving yet again no choice but to watch new accounts and pick out the fake ones. However, I agree about changing the titles of these things. The Top Anime should be called the Top Rated Anime, and the side bar could always link to 'Most Popular' or 'Most Favorites' right off to prevent series with smaller fanbases from taking hits like this. |
| They're doing it again, here are some of the names: euuiweu ngwiogwg reubgia I don't understand this person's problem. It's obvious they don't like the show, it's probably that same reviewer who gave it a 1 after seeing two episodes. Why are they doing this, because they don't like it? Damn, if only there were times where you could reach through a screen and physically harm someone. |
| Down to 112 now. This is getting hit hard. |
| Lol 11% of the votes are 1's. I have to give that, those trolls are really hard working. I guess we all should troll vote the remaining top five and give 10 to Queen's Blade and Mars of Destruction. Maybe 10 accounts for every true fan of LOGH is good enough amount? (Just bad joking, don't follow my "suggestion"). |
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| I'd say just delete the top anime page before more abuses happen, or find some way to stop more accounts from being made like this, because they'll only do it other shows in the future. |
| Deleting the top anime page would be too harsh IMO. Maybe make a system with 2 scores with critics' scores based on widely accepted reviews and that one with normal user votes. Dunno if it is easy to maintain to the database manager. Top Anime list is just a popularity list in the end, if we really want a real top rated list, we should use the reviews (the real good ones) as a base because those people really cared enough to write about a series and rate it (even those could be abused, but oh well, nothing is perfect safe against trolls). |
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| Well, reviews are harder to produce and thus easier to manage and delete if the need arises. They're just more visible. If you see a review going "HURRRR THIS B A DUN ANNIEMAY" then it's just that simple to delete that review, possibly suspend the account too. |
AlecPyron said: Top Anime list is just a popularity list in the end If it was based on popularity then how does that explain how LotGH got in the top 10 in the first place, or any other virtually unknown anime (from a popularity standpoint) on the first page? the only part that makes it involve popularity is when trolls appear which really only mattered recently. The list that is controlled by popularity is the "top favorites" and the differences between them should be enough justification for that. AlecPyron said: if we really want a real top rated list, we should use the reviews (the real good ones) as a base because those people really cared enough to write about a series and rate it (even those could be abused, but oh well, nothing is perfect safe against trolls). How will the mods determine the "real good ones" and use that as a basis for a rating system? In that respect it can easily be abused (as you said) since its as easy to disagree with a review for an anime you don't like as it is to agree with one you do like and vice versa. Even if the review is mediocre you might think it's good just because it's for an anime you like. After all, that's pretty much how the "helpful/not helpful" part of the review system has been used. Also, at that point it becomes the minority (decent review writers) controlling the whole top list, which by itself doesn't show much diversity in opinion. Especially since there are so many anime that are left without reviews and therefore wouldn't even make the list... right? |
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Ketuekigami said: If it was based on popularity then how does that explain how LotGH got in the top 10 in the first place, or any other virtually unknown anime (from a popularity standpoint) on the first page? the only part that makes it involve popularity is when trolls appear which really only mattered recently. The list that is controlled by popularity is the "top favorites" and the differences between them should be enough justification for that. Well, the way the score is calculated may have something to do with that, but as anyone's vote is computed, in that regard I said it's a popularity list. Any list will have anything odd depending on how is calculated. It's not a critic list for sure. Anyway, don't read too much in what I said. How will the mods determine the "real good ones" and use that as a basis for a rating system? In that respect it can easily be abused (as you said) since its as easy to disagree with a review for an anime you don't like as it is to agree with one you do like and vice versa. Even if the review is mediocre you might think it's good just because it's for an anime you like. After all, that's pretty much how the "helpful/not helpful" part of the review system has been used. Also, at that point it becomes the minority (decent review writers) controlling the whole top list, which by itself doesn't show much diversity in opinion. Especially since there are so many anime that are left without reviews and therefore wouldn't even make the list... right? Well, no system is perfect. I just gave a food for thought. I even stated it could be trolled as well. I wasn't thinking in the review system we got, as anyone can write a review. However, the point of this critic list is to leave at the hands of some high profile reviewers. Now where we get those? Dunno. Mayne create an official MAL club with requirements, so we get high quality reviewers that maybe get some recognition for working for free writing reviews periodically? Dunno. It's not like any form of critic list will be implemented anyway. I don't even know if this idea is worth giving. Otherwise, I would post it in the Suggestion section. |
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| Its on #112 now? :( Wtf, isnt there anything that can be done? Like locating and deleting all the profiles. |
HydraA said: Its on #112 now? :( Wtf, isnt there anything that can be done? Like locating and deleting all the profiles. They were located http://myanimelist.net/users.php?q=trugbylight http://myanimelist.net/users.php?q=galaticsux But it seems that the only one who can delete them (Xinil) doesn't care :P |
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HydraA said: Its on #112 now? :( Wtf, isnt there anything that can be done? Like locating and deleting all the profiles. I know rite? I actually wanted to post this when LOGH was ranked 54. "Wow, it's made it to the second page, let's see if it will go past 100". Let's just say that this happened even before I could type this. The troller exceded the 100s, and reached the 110 + ranking. Talk about efficiency, lol. BluMeino said: Well, reviews are harder to produce and thus easier to manage and delete if the need arises. They're just more visible. If you see a review going "HURRRR THIS B A DUN ANNIEMAY" then it's just that simple to delete that review, possibly suspend the account too. That's what I thought before, although even this has its flaws. Look at animenfo. Anidb's review system isn't too bad though. AlecPyron said: Lol 11% of the votes are 1's. I have to give that, those trolls are really hard working. I guess we all should troll vote the remaining top five and give 10 to Queen's Blade and Mars of Destruction. Maybe 10 accounts for every true fan of LOGH is good enough amount? (Just bad joking, don't follow my "suggestion"). Yes, you've got to credit them for that. Best trolls I've seen yet. I actually do admire their dedication to this cause. In before this actually happens, I want to see i they can make LOGH pass the 200 mark. Beat them to it. =P |
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| This system is based on trust and all these trolls are breaking that trust by rating an anime that they probably haven't watched. the real problem is that there will always be petty people that will make these fake accounts and there isn't much that the mods can do about it. -Is there a limit of accounts you can make using a single e-mail? |
| Went back down to 78. AtlasDunce started making troll accounts at 5 in the morning for like 2 hours straight. Seriously, whats wrong with ppl? And to those who actually completed it and rated it a 1, why would you watch 100+ episodes of an "Unwatchable" show? ...also trugbylight made a bunch on the 26th. ...5abh2q2 ...53b5atare |
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| We that know Legend of the Galactic Heroes can hold the knowledge in our hearts, as they soar through the stars high above mediocre anime like Clannad, that Legend of the Galactic Heroes is still the best. (I jest; Legend of the Galactic Heroes and many others are better, not just Legend of the Galactic Heroes!). I think that this is, if anything, a sign that the site has finally gotten "big" enough that something like this could happen, and that it is almost a good thing in that regard. It really should not be anyone's job to have to actively guard these ratings, so maybe banning future alternate names of the same user could be a reasonable measure? Of course, that would not only be a sweepingly broad measure (and probably unacceptable), but woult nod necessarily stop them from just making more effort to make random alternate names either. |
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lxPaPxl said: Went back down to 78. AtlasDunce started making troll accounts at 5 in the morning for like 2 hours straight. Seriously, whats wrong with ppl? And to those who actually completed it and rated it a 1, why would you watch 100+ episodes of an "Unwatchable" show? ...also trugbylight made a bunch on the 26th. ...5abh2q2 ...53b5atare They have no lives. stupid trolls. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
| This kind of immaturity really annoys me, just like all the fakes keeping TTGL up as #1. |
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| At this point some dedicated LOGH fans might start counter-spamming 10s. AlecPyron said: I guess we all should troll vote the remaining top five and give 10 to Queen's Blade and Mars of Destruction. Maybe 10 accounts for every true fan of LOGH is good enough amount? (Just bad joking, don't follow my "suggestion"). Personally I think Mars of Destruction and Violence Jack deserve a Top 10 spot anyway. :p |
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Mesh said: This is ridiculous. It looks like a kindergarten, not a place where fans gather and discuss their passion for animation. It's a damage to the whole community: I got to see LoGH because it was on the top 10, and probably it was/will be the same for many others, coz this is an old and not very publicized series. And this is a shame, coz for what this stupid kids are doing, many are losing the possibility to watch one of the greatest series ever made. As someone stated before, it's hardly believable that they seriously watched 110 eps of an "unwatchable" series. And, more importantly, I doubt someone who seriously went through it, would not be blown away, let alone rate it <4... unless they're 9yo thinking all the time: "come on, you've been talking about policits, philosophy, social problems for ages, I can't understand them... Now just fly into space and destroy some enemies with a kamehameha!" So, this is really damaging the credibility of the top anime list, and the community itself. We should really ask to someone with some power over the DB to do something about this. Agree here, unless you are a sadist i dont think you would punish yourself over 110 episodes (110x20min = 2200 minutes = 36,6 hours = 1 and 1/2 days) to score anything bellow a 6). I really think the admins should look at this case specificaly 'cause its killing a great anime (although i haven't watched it yet) just because they cant accept a mature theme, that the mature people enjoy, over their orange ninjas, pirate boats, immortal death gods and morphing robots (no ofense for those who enjoy the animes stated before) |
| Holy crap, Im getting seriously pissed off now! Doesnt this guy have anything better to do? |
| I think the mods should do something about this, because, as someone said above, many of us got to know this anime because we saw it in the top anime page, if it weren't for MAL I wouldn't have had the possibility to watch the best anime in history. |
Posse said: I think the mods should do something about this, because, as someone said above, many of us got to know this anime because we saw it in the top anime page, if it weren't for MAL I wouldn't have had the possibility to watch the best anime in history. Yea and the problem is, there's also profiles like this. |
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| How about issue IP bans, and then delete the troll accounts? Seems simple enough. |
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