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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Wtf?! Eren ate his dad! I heard about this theory a lot so probably a lot of people are not surprise. Still confuse if Historia is a titan or not. Hopefully the full chapter will be out soon.  |
keragammingOct 7, 2014 1:03 AM
| Seems like the text spoiler from 4th day was true after all. Finally SnK is back where it should be |
| lol wtf just happened? I did not expect that at all. If the anime is a 2 cour then maybe it'll end here just to mindfuck everyone. |
| I've only read the text spoilers on reddit, but never before has the phrase "that escalated quickly" applied more than here. Need raws nowwww. |
olivesandwaxOct 6, 2014 3:28 PM
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Well shit |
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| *Neck snaps ever so slightly* |
| Well that was unexpected |
| Are the translations out?I've only read the summaries on reddit and gotta say i find it hard to believe!Doesnt the manga usually come out on the 9th or 10th day of the month? |
fathertime said: Are the translations out?I've only read the summaries on reddit and gotta say i find it hard to believe! Someone is translating. and the person that is doing it said that the summaries are fakes. |
keragamming said: fathertime said: Are the translations out?I've only read the summaries on reddit and gotta say i find it hard to believe! Someone is translating. and the person that is doing it said that the summaries are fakes. Hope so..Didnt like them one bit |
| Translation summary is up on tumblr: http://darlingpoppet.tumblr.com/post/99358761144/snk-chapter-62-translation-summary |
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| So confused, why did he have a memory of a titan version of Historia? |
| Someone leave a link of the raw version at least. I can't wait anymore the anticipation is killing me... |
| sic mundus |
j0x said: Rastafa21 said: Someone leave a link of the raw version at least. I can't wait anymore the anticipation is killing me... even senmanga has no raws available yet I posted more spoiler pics in the spoiler pics discussion if you're interested. |
| Holy shit. |
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Shuhan said: So confused, why did he have a memory of a titan version of Historia? This. Hope the translations come soon. Man, that chapter. I'm speechless. Was not expecting that at all tbh. Just, woah....O_O |
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| Things looking bad for Eren...Hope Levi and Co save him soon...I think Rod Reiss and Historia were standing behind him so that once he had regained his memory about Grisha's death,Historia could transform immediately and eat him quickly without giving Eren a chance to fight back...That would explain why his hands were chained above him and his mouth covered ..he can neither bite his hands nor his tongue to turn into a titan..Wonder if Mikasa knew the truth about Grisha's death?I guess not since that would mean she knew Eren was a shifter...She was pretty shocked when Eren came out of his titan form the first time |
fathertimeOct 8, 2014 10:18 AM
| All the people that were saying that Eren father is one of the worst father in a battle shounen series for not visiting his son will feel bad after learning the truth in this chapter. |
keragamming said: All the people that were saying that Eren father is one of the worst father in a battle shounen series for not visiting his son will feel bad after learning the truth in this chapter. I could have sworn it was common knowledge that most people thought that Eren ate his father. It's been a popular theory for quite some time, and it was pretty much confirmed in Chapter 53 during the titan experiments with Eren. Plus, if I remember there was a prototype chapter of the manga with one panel blurred out which stated something about his father, and the editor claimed that it would be significant later on. |
| ^^ It was never a relevant complaint to begin with. I can honestly say I didn't get anything from the script (thanks for it and the links, btw), except that we are again back to the dark themes in the manga. If Krista was that titan, wasn't surprising - before the planned kidnapping, she said she was a hollow person on the inside, and man, it sounded like the same thing Bert had said in beginning. So! Let's see who ate who and transmitted what from whom to whom. Given the chapter is named "Sin", Grisha might have killed a Reiss or two to give Eren a chance to survive (as he hoped). |
zellami said: ^^ It was never a relevant complaint to begin with. I can honestly say I didn't get anything from the script (thanks for it and the links, btw), except that we are again back to the dark themes in the manga. If Krista was that titan, wasn't surprising - before the planned kidnapping, she said she was a hollow person on the inside, and man, it sounded like the same thing Bert had said in beginning. So! Let's see who ate who and transmitted what from whom to whom. Given the chapter is named "Sin", Grisha might have killed a Reiss or two to give Eren a chance to survive (as he hoped). Yeah I'm pretty excited. I love this new development with Historia. I think Isayama stated that no character will be left unchanged by the end of the story, and I'm curious to see how she ends up at the end of all of this. And Eren...man is he going to be fucked up. We can assume that the other titan shifters have gone through this and have experienced the same pain and guilt. Seriously if this payoff is done right and all the elements of this arc come together it might just end up being the best arc to date. |
| Just saw the raws, this chapter seems amazing. Le hype! |
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| Finish reading this chapter, my god! This is why I fucking love this manga. The story is so interesting, I love the dark themes in it as well, and the mystery in it is just the cherry on top. All the pieces are slowly coming together. I always have to facepalm when I hear people saying Isayama writing is horrible and that he's making shit up as the story goes on, but when you look into it or ask them a few question, most of them don't even know what the f**k is going on in the story! Which means they don't pay attention to subtle hints, I've read over the entire manga and I've seen hints that I didn't see the first time I read the chapter. Attack on titan is the last manga you should hear people saying the mangaka is just making up stuff as it goes, Isayama even have the balls to tell us when he intends to end the manga which means he already knows how the story will end. The foreshadowing from the very first chapter to now is proof of that. This felt like the perfect moment to say all this. I also like that know one is good in this series, and the villains don't do shit without a good reason. I also like how human Erwin is in this chapter some god character development there for Erwin. |
keragammingOct 8, 2014 3:10 PM
| The Reiss family is quite an interesting concept to realize in this chapter. More so, I like how the story is fleshing out various factions too and their purpose. There's a lot of mystery going on and this Rod Reiss is attraction rod to it. Damn, I feel bad for Historia though and her past. The girl just has to suffer so much... Jesus freaking christ that ending though.... From what I got from those brief flashbacks, it looks like Historia is also a Titan and Eren ate his dad. Wow. |
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| Chapter is out on CR. Since it's a legal site I'll post it here. http://www.crunchyroll.com/comics_read/manga?volume_id=273&chapter_num=62.00 |
| So eren got his father's memories after eating him. This could potentiality be the key to saving humanity if eren can use his father's memories. We're not sure what happened to the rest of the Reiss family. Did Grisha kill them or are they hiding? I still think that a Titan can only eat one Titan shifter and gain their powers. I doubt that the Titan with long hair was Historia. I'm sure her father would have told her. |
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| Well, so it was finally confirmed that Eren did eat his father. Too bad they left that at the end of the chapter, it didn't come out as much of a shocker to me. But of course, the human side of Eren had forgotten about this, so it was bound to happen at some point. I think the foreshadowing during Eren's experiments was a bit too obvious, I was actually expecting this to be subverted or something. Gotta say I wasn't expecting titan Historia anymore (if it was really her, of course), so that twist was interesting. And now... it's another month of waiting :C dang it. 4/5 Just because Isayama again left more questions than answers and Eren eating Grisha was not a big shocker. X'D Can't wait to see the reactions when this gets animated though. |
kchorrex2012Oct 8, 2014 6:01 PM
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| DAMN, BOYS. |
| Tuturu~ |
kchorrex2012 said: Well, so it was finally confirmed that Eren did eat his father. Too bad they left that at the end of the chapter, it didn't come out as much of a shocker to me. But of course, the human side of Eren had forgotten about this, so it was bound to happen at some point. I think the foreshadowing during Eren's experiments was a bit too obvious, I was actually expecting this to be subverted or something. Gotta say I wasn't expecting titan Historia anymore (if it was really her, of course), so that twist was interesting. And now... it's another month of waiting :C dang it. 4/5 Just because Isayama again left more questions than answers and Eren eating Grisha was not a big shocker. X'D Can't wait to see the reactions when this gets animated though. The big shocker for me is, why did Grisha kill the Reiss family? Is Grisha working with RBA? And Grisha is also a titan. :O I think the titan that look like Historia is probably her, it looks like her, plus it couldn't be Freda, because she has black hair, plus Freda erase historia memories so she can't remember anything. I'm pretty sure Reiss is going to make Historia eat Eren, at least attempt to, why else would he want Historia so badly? That's why her mother didn't like her because she's a monster. Actually all of the Reiss family are monsters. |
keragamming said: kchorrex2012 said: Well, so it was finally confirmed that Eren did eat his father. Too bad they left that at the end of the chapter, it didn't come out as much of a shocker to me. But of course, the human side of Eren had forgotten about this, so it was bound to happen at some point. I think the foreshadowing during Eren's experiments was a bit too obvious, I was actually expecting this to be subverted or something. Gotta say I wasn't expecting titan Historia anymore (if it was really her, of course), so that twist was interesting. And now... it's another month of waiting :C dang it. 4/5 Just because Isayama again left more questions than answers and Eren eating Grisha was not a big shocker. X'D Can't wait to see the reactions when this gets animated though. The big shocker for me is, why did Grisha kill the Reiss family? And also Grisha is also a titan. :O I think the titan that look like Historia is probably her, it looks like her, plus it couldn't be Freda, because she has black hair, plus Freda erase history memories so she can't remember anything. I'm pretty sure Reiss is going to make Historia eat Eren, at least attempt to, why else would he want Historia so badly? That's why her mother didn't like her because she's a monster. Exactly. I hope they explain that as well as Reiss' family side in the overall conflict. Still an angel-titan Historia would've been hilarious but awesome XD |
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| Excellent chapter. The best in a long time. Now since it's confirmed that consuming a titan shifter gives you their memories and knowledge, I wonder why Ymir never gained the knowledge of Reiner and Bertolt's identities from consuming their friend. It could be that he wasn't a shifter, but if that's the case then she still needed to have consumed one in order to regain her humanity. There could be other conditions though, and I'm pretty sure Isayama has thought of this (given his track record with dealing with potential plot holes) and will address it. but either way this chapter was the emphatic bang that this arc needed. |
Jotaro_Kujo said: Excellent chapter. The best in a long time. Now since it's confirmed that consuming a titan shifter gives you their memories and knowledge, I wonder why Ymir never gained the knowledge of Reiner and Bertolt's identities from consuming their friend. It could be that he wasn't a shifter, but if that's the case then she still needed to have consumed one in order to regain her humanity. There could be other conditions though, and I'm pretty sure Isayama has thought of this (given his track record with dealing with potential plot holes) and will address it. but either way this chapter was the emphatic bang that this arc needed. But Eren never gain Grisha knowledge, as in to know everything about Grisha. He's only get flashes of his knowledge here and there. Remember this panel. |
keragammingOct 8, 2014 7:22 PM
| Now I wonder who really is the Monkey Titan, most people thought it was Grisha... |
keragamming said: Jotaro_Kujo said: Excellent chapter. The best in a long time. Now since it's confirmed that consuming a titan shifter gives you their memories and knowledge, I wonder why Ymir never gained the knowledge of Reiner and Bertolt's identities from consuming their friend. It could be that he wasn't a shifter, but if that's the case then she still needed to have consumed one in order to regain her humanity. There could be other conditions though, and I'm pretty sure Isayama has thought of this (given his track record with dealing with potential plot holes) and will address it. but either way this chapter was the emphatic bang that this arc needed. But Eren never gain Grisha knowledge, as in to know everything about Grisha. He's only get flashes of his knowledge here and there. Remember this panel. Nice find! Thanks for that, I'd completely forgotten about that panel. So that basically covers the lost memory part of it. And that means that Ymir gained bits of information (but not enough to reveal Reiner and Bertolt's identities), and it wouldn't have been too significant for her given her prior knowledge of the warriors. |
Jotaro_KujoOct 8, 2014 7:26 PM
| Grisha just barged in there and started eating people ,damn. So Grisha ate everyone in the chapel,and that titan that looks like historia tried to defend them?Is that Frieda,her hair couldve changed colour from the transformation or something. Also we may assume that the fake royalty wanted to wipe out the Reiss',but they had a special reason to keep Rod alive,i bet its because of his Royal power of changing memories that made an appearance on Erwins flashback to his childhood(hence why when Eren was touched he had his memories restored,because Reiss family has that power). I dont remember if this was explained in a past chapter. Also i wonder,Eren saw Grishas memories,but he also saw Friedas memories once,i cant wait for this to be explained. Maybe Frieda had the original coordinate ability,then grisha ate her,took her memories and power,then Eren ate Grisha and took everyones memories but theyre locked away? Questions everywhere. Let us theorycraft a bit. |
Taimanin_IreliaOct 8, 2014 9:36 PM
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| Okay, so what I got is: * Grisha was a human-titan. During his trip, he learned about titans invading Shiganshina and was worried about his family. Instead of rushing back to south where they were, he continued to Sina, found the Reisses, transformed into titan and ate them. The role of the mysterious chick (Frieda) is substantial, yet again not explained. So, "somehow" he knew the Reiss contain important power - the coordinator or a titan-shifter, who'd be able to both convert mindless titans to shifters OR control mindless titans (and perhaps humans as well) with the coordinator. He might have not had only his family in mind to keep safe, but the whole humanity behind the Walls after the attack. If Grisha was a human-titan, the only thing he needed was the coordinator. He knew his body would be enough for Eren to revert to human, but aside it, he also would need something that would make a human - titan. This is what the injection was about. * Here, the small titan appears. Technically, Historia is not supposed to be there. She should had been in the farm and not present in the chapel with the other Reisses. * The Chapel is made of stones, and the place is special - walls glowing and such. * On his way back to find Eren in the refuge in Wall Rose, he sees Shardis and talks to him, perhaps asking about the whereabouts of Carla, Eren, and Mikasa. * So, Eren sustained two transformations - from human to titan and from titan to titan-shifter, plus the coordinator. I still think Grisha could have had both in himself (if he was a human-titan before the events) and the injection is a some sort of different trigger, but we'll see more of it in the future. If he wasn't a shifter before that, though, he should have gone through the same process as Eren afterwards. Something is off here, the more with Erwin's dream of his father's demise in the beginning, foreshadowing Grisha and Eren's fate. Now, the whole Reiss acting in humanity's favor is also off (or there's more to it). Nothing explains why Krista's mom was killed and the presence of Kenny in the cave. Neither, why the Reiss submitted to the services of fake kings. Yeah, and Eren is in chains and his hands are wrapped such that he can't use the coordinator, in this special place, makes me suspicious of the good and the necessary intentions here. As for Grisha, I did hope that he was alive and kicking asses, but apparently, he managed to do all this in the beginning. A very good chapter, waiting for the next! |
zellamiOct 8, 2014 10:14 PM
| Intense chapter and now know that Eren ate his father. |
| Has anyone thought that maybe the coordinate isn't Eren himself but something Eren has, like the key he wears around his neck? |
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sullynathan said: Has anyone thought that maybe the coordinate isn't Eren himself but something Eren has, like the key he wears around his neck? Yep, I've thought of that since chapter 50. When I read this panel. |
| Good chapter! The dialogue between Erwin and the Chief was quite boring but I know that every boring speech is important in SnK and contains hint for the future. I agree with what has previously be writen about Eren and his dad. Grisha as titan killed the Reiss family, ate the coordinator than changed his son into a titan and let him ate himself to give him both the shifting and the coordinate power. I don't know who was the blonde titan who fought against Grisha. I'm sure she's not Christa because : 1) she was raised almost as an outcast, under a false name, far in the country. I find it quite unbelivable that she was allowed to pray together with the proper family. 2) she was in the collapsing tower together with Ymir. I think she would have transformed to help her beloved Ymir. A big question remains unanswered: why did Grisha give every power to his 10 years old son? Why didn't he use his new powers to fight his enemies, whoever they were. He's a grown up, he's a scientist, he's well connected, he would have been a better warrior than a child who had non idea of what was happening? A second question: who erased Eren's memory? |
ryoko74 said: Good chapter! The dialogue between Erwin and the Chief was quite boring but I know that every boring speech is important in SnK and contains hint for the future. I agree with what has previously be writen about Eren and his dad. Grisha as titan killed the Reiss family, ate the coordinator than changed his son into a titan and let him ate himself to give him both the shifting and the coordinate power. I don't know who was the blonde titan who fought against Grisha. I'm sure she's not Christa because : 1) she was raised almost as an outcast, under a false name, far in the country. I find it quite unbelievable that she was allowed to pray together with the proper family. 2) she was in the collapsing tower together with Ymir. I think she would have transformed to help her beloved Ymir. A big question remains unanswered: why did Grisha give every power to his 10 years old son? Why didn't he use his new powers to fight his enemies, whoever they were. He's a grown up, he's a scientist, he's well connected, he would have been a better warrior than a child who had non idea of what was happening? A second question: who erased Eren's memory? The dialogue between Erwin and the chief was basically giving Erwin character development, but I agree it was boring, and yes also "foreshadowing" Chief Zackhaley said "Your mission is as terrible as ever, death seems like a far more easier option" I really think the blonde titan is Historia, What you forget is that Frieda has the power to erase memories, so who knows what memories Historia had before Frieda erase it. Reasons why I think Historia is the titan, or at least is a titan shifter. Hint, Historia calls her big sister, which we just learn that she actually is her real big sister, meaning Historia knows Frieda is her sister. So the question is was Historia really a outcast? I have a theory that they bring her at the underground sometimes to experiment on her maybe? then when they're done Frieda erase her memories again, and bring her back to the farm home. 1. She resembles the titan, even the people that doesn't think it's Historia does admit that she looks similar to the titan in Eren dreams. 2. Blood line, If you didn't notice Levi ask the question, " Blood ties.... Is there something special about that blood line?" Hanji didn't get to answer the question because of Mikasa interruptions, but what it seems is that only people of the same blood can posses the titan power? Thus why he needed Historia back after all his other children were dead? 3. Also Ymir implying that they both have similar life experience. Maybe Ymir went through the same thing as Historia, Thinking about it, Annie father was apologizing to her just like Eren father and Now Reiss. Is all this coincidentally, also good question, why do all these fathers are giving the burden to their child? I think when we find out everything about Histioria we will also find out what's the deal with Annie as well. 4.Think about this, why would Reiss need Historia for? He doesn't seem like he's interested in being king, If he wanted to be king he doesn't need Historia at all. It must be something relating to titan, Hanji said it herself, Hanji keep on saying that Reiss is going to use a titan to eat eren, but where is that titan? My hunch is that the titan is Historai herself. Like what other purpose is there for Historia to sit down and watch while a titan eats Eren? Too much clues pointing towards Historia being a titan. Even in the last page of the chapter Historia has her hands on her head like she remembers something as well. Rod has no interest in being a king so what is Historai purpose? To sit around and watch. I'm 100% sure Historia is a titan shifter. If you think I'm wrong tell me what's wrong with my theories. |
keragammingOct 9, 2014 2:32 AM
| Eh, well we just saw kid titan Eren and the blonde titan was a bit mature. The appearance seems to be related to physical strength, but when Eren is weak his titan form shrinks or doesn't fully form iirc, so age should be a factor. In that case, Historia's form would've been a kid titan back then too, right? |
Aurusine said: Eh, well we just saw kid titan Eren and the blonde titan was a bit mature. The appearance seems to be related to physical strength, but when Eren is weak his titan form shrinks or doesn't fully form iirc, so age should be a factor. In that case, Historia's form would've been a kid titan back then too, right? To be fair we only saw the titan's head so it could still be historia |
| Intense chapter..It seemed to me that eren was being held in an undergroud basement below the Reiss Chapel..I think this is how stuff went down.. Wall Maria is destroyed->Grisha who's in the interior attacks the Reiss family during their prayers-> He Becomes a titan and eats Frida and gets the titan ability from her->He meets up with Eren and injects him and gets eaten thereby passing on the titan ability to Eren.. If this was the chain of events,then i wonder when exactly did Eren meet with his father?It seems like eren was injected in somekind of forest...But the attack on the Reiss family took place after Wall Maria fell and after Eren and the other two had been safely evacuated ..So it must have been during the year Eren was working in the farm..If so how come Armin and Mikasa didnt notice Eren's father or Eren missing and more importantly how come they didn't question why Eren was a bloody mess(assuming Eren had worn the same clothes he did while eating Grisha..)..But given that Armin seems clueless about who got eaten by Eren,I'd say thats the case for Mikasa as well.. I think this chapter has made the relationship between RBA and the Reiss family more vague..If they had the power to seal walls with titans,then it makes sense that they were against RBA's group..The fact that they were praying after the attack also makes this clear..But then Grisha attacks them possibly because he holds them responsible for Carla's death..So that means the Reiss family and RBA are on the same side..Of course there is also the possibility that Grisha attacked them not out of personal animosity but rather out of desperation since he wanted to save his only child and since he believed that only the power of the coordinate could keep Eren alive once titans started attacking..So maybe Grisha attacked simply because he wanted Eren to live.. |
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