No Game No Life (light novel)
| Not sure if true, but I found this absolutely hilarious. I mean, if you can't draw or self-conscious of your art, have someone else do it. Don't publish something blatantly traced... Again, I'm not sure if it is true, but take a look at all of these for yourself: IDK how reliable the source is so don't bash on me about it. *Edit* Guys, don't bash me about me posting this because I'm 'hatin on NGNL. I'm not. I'm posting this from an artist's POV. And besides, if I found out one of my favorite author/artists were tracing, I'd be pretty pissed too. I'm not playing favorites here. Especially if they posted this much art and got money for it. |
SnazzGaryOct 1, 2014 11:45 AM
| "Hey, assbutt!"—Castiel, Supernatural "Do you ever have a problem where you just don't know how to reply to an argument-- not because you don't know the answer, but you just don't where to begin? Like, the foundation of knowledge you'd need to impart to this person before you could even begin to drag them out of their sinkhole of ignorance would cost thousands of dollars, if it were coming from a University?" -MAL in a nutshell. |
| Ok everybody, the author took inspiration from other work. Time to drop NGNL to a 6.5. Shows over. |
SolviteSekai said: Ok everybody, the author took inspiration from other work. Time to drop NGNL to a 6.5. Shows over. If you call tracing 'inspiration' then OK. It says at the bottom that it is unsure whether or not he asked permission to trace. I'm an artist, and I would want to know if someone was tracing my work and making money off of it. I've never read/watched it, so it doesn't matter to me whether or not the show is a 5 or a 9. I'm just posting a topic. |
| "Hey, assbutt!"—Castiel, Supernatural "Do you ever have a problem where you just don't know how to reply to an argument-- not because you don't know the answer, but you just don't where to begin? Like, the foundation of knowledge you'd need to impart to this person before you could even begin to drag them out of their sinkhole of ignorance would cost thousands of dollars, if it were coming from a University?" -MAL in a nutshell. |
| As long as he didn´t steal the story. They´ll have to employ a professional artist for the future volumes after all. |
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SnazzGary said: SolviteSekai said: Ok everybody, the author took inspiration from other work. Time to drop NGNL to a 6.5. Shows over. If you call tracing 'inspiration' then OK. It says at the bottom that it is unsure whether or not he asked permission to trace. I'm an artist, and I would want to know if someone was tracing my work and making money off of it. I've never read/watched it, so it doesn't matter to me whether or not the show is a 5 or a 9. I'm just posting a topic. >doesnt know whole story >still accuses people of being guilty despite not knowing the whole story Do you see the problem now? What other reason for this is there (considering this actual story has been on mal twice now) than to shame the author and make NGNL look bad? |
Mycelistsukiyo said: As long as he didn´t steal the story. They´ll have to employ a professional artist for the future volumes after all. I doubt he stole the story, also a lot of authors trace, they just don't get caught often. |
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| Oh god, I hope what happened to prism doesn't happen again. |
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>doesnt know whole story >still accuses people of being guilty despite not knowing the whole story Do you see the problem now? What other reason for this is there (considering this actual story has been on mal twice now) than to shame the author and make NGNL look bad? How was I supposed to know this has been on MAL twice? Again, it just makes me angry that he is gaining popularity and money off of taking someone's work. I don't intend to make the series look bad. As long as the story is good, and he didn't directly steal another story, then it's all good. I'm just stating this as an artist. |
| "Hey, assbutt!"—Castiel, Supernatural "Do you ever have a problem where you just don't know how to reply to an argument-- not because you don't know the answer, but you just don't where to begin? Like, the foundation of knowledge you'd need to impart to this person before you could even begin to drag them out of their sinkhole of ignorance would cost thousands of dollars, if it were coming from a University?" -MAL in a nutshell. |
| wow i dont even give a shit |
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Korrvo said: If the author is forced to suspend wow i dont even give a shit his work it might be a problem though |
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Hoppy said: Mycelistsukiyo said: As long as he didn´t steal the story. They´ll have to employ a professional artist for the future volumes after all. I doubt he stole the story, also a lot of authors trace, they just don't get caught often. It would be a bigger problem if he did manga, but a LN is mostly story, so tracing the few pics there is no big deal. |
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| It pisses me off how people are making such a big deal about this. Many of those 'tracings' are just hands and feet, and he evidently modified the works enough to count as fair use. All he's doing is copying poses, which no one has exclusive copyright to. |
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astro-kun said: It pisses me off how people are making such a big deal about this. Many of those 'tracings' are just hands and feet, and he evidently modified the works enough to count as fair use. All he's doing is copying poses, which no one has exclusive copyright to. Again, this is from an artists' point of view. How would you feel if someone copied your work and modified a 'tiny' bit, called it theirs, and sold it for a profit? Most of them are blatant too. Not just hands and feet. Some of them he used the actual pose.Like someone else said: [quote] Since it seems like some people do not understand the urgency, let us put it in a more tangible perspective. Let's say you were given an assignment to bring in a poem for your next class. 1. Hand in a poem by William Wordsworth with just your name written on it 2. Hand in a poem by William Wordsworth with good deal of words changed but still with your name on it 3. Hand in a poem by William Wordsworth and express that it is his work and hand it in with your name on it. 1 and 2 should get you an F. 3 could get you anywhere between A to F depending on whether or not your teacher is a Wordsworth fan. There is a thing called cheating. It is an act where you cut corners to achieve something illegitimately and take credit for putting in the effort you didnt. There is a thing called plagarism, where you take someone else's work and use it as yours without properly citing that it was NOT your work. Referencing is an act where you take something from an external source, STATE THAT IT WAS TAKEN FROM THESE SOURCES AND GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR THEIR WORK, and then use it within boundaries of REASONABLE JURISDICTION to reach your goal. Anyone who is defending this needs to have their ethical standards checked out. I am not even exaggerating. If it is THIS BLATANT then there is no sensible way thay this artist can and should be rescued. Sink him. -Reph [quote] |
SnazzGaryOct 1, 2014 11:43 AM
| "Hey, assbutt!"—Castiel, Supernatural "Do you ever have a problem where you just don't know how to reply to an argument-- not because you don't know the answer, but you just don't where to begin? Like, the foundation of knowledge you'd need to impart to this person before you could even begin to drag them out of their sinkhole of ignorance would cost thousands of dollars, if it were coming from a University?" -MAL in a nutshell. |
| They also said they still don't know if it was with the orignal authors permission or not... Maybe he asked first... let's not jump to conclusions yet |
| Now, I worry if this affect the anime. |
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| No Artist No Life? |
| I think this doesn't count since the artist mostly copied the poses not the art style or how the character looks. |
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GinMagi said: I think this doesn't count since the artist mostly copied the poses not the art style or how the character looks. Doesn't matter if he didn't take the art style. The lines nearly perfectly overlap. That's tracing and copying without permission/crediting. Don't get me wrong, I'm for tracing. But I'm not for tracing, publishing, not crediting, and making a profit off of it. Trace, and keep it to yourself. Don't flash it about. |
| "Hey, assbutt!"—Castiel, Supernatural "Do you ever have a problem where you just don't know how to reply to an argument-- not because you don't know the answer, but you just don't where to begin? Like, the foundation of knowledge you'd need to impart to this person before you could even begin to drag them out of their sinkhole of ignorance would cost thousands of dollars, if it were coming from a University?" -MAL in a nutshell. |
| Who gives a shit. It's a LN, the art is not as important as it would have been a manga. |
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| ...That's it? |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
FlareStar101 said: ...That's it? posting stuff like this lets the butthurts get out their butthurt at NGNL being rated higher than their favorite anime. |
| Makes sense |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
SolviteSekai said: There is a yuri manga called Prism that was basically destroyed after the author was caught tracing another picture.FlareStar101 said: ...That's it? posting stuff like this lets the butthurts get out their butthurt at NGNL being rated higher than their favorite anime. It's some cause for concern |
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Cupquake said: SolviteSekai said: There is a yuri manga called Prism that was basically destroyed after the author was caught tracing another picture.posting stuff like this lets the butthurts get out their butthurt at NGNL being rated higher than their favorite anime. It's some cause for concern yeah but the difference is the prism thing was an issue. Unfortunately being posted to the mal forums doesnt make something front page news. |
| Personally, the images to me seem more like references than tracing honestly. If anything, it seemed like he took generic poses and added his own touch to them. |
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| source: Seventhstyle How can people take that seriously? Next people are going to tell me that the report from kdramastars about Attack on Titan season 2 airing in July 2014 is also true.... OH WAIT! |
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| I don't see why this is considered bad, as long as the characters and backgrounds don't resemble each other. He's a writer first; artist second. |
TonyC1994 said: Personally, the images to me seem more like references than tracing honestly. If anything, it seemed like he took generic poses and added his own touch to them. ^Personally, I don't think this will ever turn into anything at all unless he keeps doing it and honestly, with most of them, you really can't 100% say he is tracing. |
A_Lonely_JediNov 6, 2014 8:23 PM
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A_Lonely_Jedi said: TonyC1994 said: Personally, the images to me seem more like references than tracing honestly. If anything, it seemed like he took generic poses and added his own touch to them. ^Personally, I don't think this will ever turn into anything at all unless he keeps doing it and honestly, with most of them, you really can't 100% say he is tracing. it could even be coincidence i meen spinzaku and kira cough |
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| Well, I kinda disagree with all the avid fans protecting the author... I don't realy mind tracing, but he should release the light novel for free then.(well, maybe take the cost if it's paperback, but only for printing) Or at the very least ask for permission AND share the profit(even if a little bit) made from the volume the picture was on. I personally have both the experience of being writer and knowing someone who is professionally.. Did he just copy the art from someone with changing barely anything? No. It goes as simple as asking a friend who is expert at drawing for help or hiring an artist... I mean how greedy you can be selling a novel which is bullshitly overpriced and totally selling on bare hype (the story is entangling, but that's about it - the wording itself is so damn weak, I would much rather reread some classic like master and margarita, which is actually a lot cheaper too and can be bought in 1 book instead of tonns of volumes..) I have no means to offend any fanboy here, it's a fine novel so far(6-7), which is a good grade overall, but considering the popularity I can't feel nothing but ashamed of the author who is so greedy for not having hired professional assistants. Missing the days when people actually didn't expect much profit from their creation and actually created a deeply moving story, where plot was actually planned through from the start to the end beforehand instead of.. oh, nice my story is popular, gonna make 10 more volumes of it.. or something like.. oh, the story didn't get much positive reviews, guess I will just dump it and start something that follows the hype.. Even being an avid MMO gamer since 90's end I am totally fed up with everyone flooding the world with the novels/manga related to gaming and not even bothering to work well on it(which is most disappointing by far, I wouldn't mind it as much otherwise) Well, I guess when fan service isn't enough to cover your inability to make an above average story with good style you have to find something else to entangle people and that's the closest thing, eh. Pretty much a big disrespect for the author. It's almost as bad as begging at the street while being a millioner.. Makes you actually feel shameful for author yourself.. I mean like, really, even if you are a totally greedy bastard, there sure is someone talented amongst fans, just put up some drawing contest with honorable mention in the next novel and I am sure a lot of people will happily draw you for free whatever you wish for, as long as they see your work promising. Or.. surprise surprise surprise... make no art at all, there are a lot of works which don't need a couple of breast groping pictures per volume to get popular.. as long as the story is still enjoyable - no one will mind I bet. |
hazerddex said: A_Lonely_Jedi said: ^Personally, I don't think this will ever turn into anything at all unless he keeps doing it and honestly, with most of them, you really can't 100% say he is tracing. it could even be coincidence i meen spinzaku and kira cough That's not coincidence. That's Sunrise. |
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Hentaicheg said: Well, I kinda disagree with all the avid fans protecting the author... I don't realy mind tracing, but he should release the light novel for free then.(well, maybe take the cost if it's paperback, but only for printing) Or at the very least ask for permission AND share the profit(even if a little bit) made from the volume the picture was on. I personally have both the experience of being writer and knowing someone who is professionally.. Did he just copy the art from someone with changing barely anything? No. It goes as simple as asking a friend who is expert at drawing for help or hiring an artist... I mean how greedy you can be selling a novel which is bullshitly overpriced and totally selling on bare hype (the story is entangling, but that's about it - the wording itself is so damn weak, I would much rather reread some classic like master and margarita, which is actually a lot cheaper too and can be bought in 1 book instead of tonns of volumes..) I have no means to offend any fanboy here, it's a fine novel so far(6-7), which is a good grade overall, but considering the popularity I can't feel nothing but ashamed of the author who is so greedy for not having hired professional assistants. Missing the days when people actually didn't expect much profit from their creation and actually created a deeply moving story, where plot was actually planned through from the start to the end beforehand instead of.. oh, nice my story is popular, gonna make 10 more volumes of it.. or something like.. oh, the story didn't get much positive reviews, guess I will just dump it and start something that follows the hype.. Even being an avid MMO gamer since 90's end I am totally fed up with everyone flooding the world with the novels/manga related to gaming and not even bothering to work well on it(which is most disappointing by far, I wouldn't mind it as much otherwise) Well, I guess when fan service isn't enough to cover your inability to make an above average story with good style you have to find something else to entangle people and that's the closest thing, eh. Pretty much a big disrespect for the author. It's almost as bad as begging at the street while being a millioner.. Makes you actually feel shameful for author yourself.. I mean like, really, even if you are a totally greedy bastard, there sure is someone talented amongst fans, just put up some drawing contest with honorable mention in the next novel and I am sure a lot of people will happily draw you for free whatever you wish for, as long as they see your work promising. Or.. surprise surprise surprise... make no art at all, there are a lot of works which don't need a couple of breast groping pictures per volume to get popular.. as long as the story is still enjoyable - no one will mind I bet. whoa there... he's an author first, artist second first of all and he definitely didn't trace all of it. Maybe you can see how the pose can be so, but to say he blatantly copied it is quite stupid itself (since you can see some rather obvious differences). And no, the difference isn't small either. There are also chances that this is just a coincidence, and it isn't surprising that these are some of the most generic poses there. Also, he can draw without tracing too. There are videos online showing it. I mean, it's not like you can trace coloring too, which is one of his major pros. And what part of it is overpriced? Because you don't like it, so it's not good, and doesn't deserve to make money? They cost more when released in the west, but that goes for everything and think about all the pirating |
wish_i_was_sugoiDec 20, 2014 8:27 PM
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Hentaicheg said: Whoah, i don't even read the VN, but that's some major overreaction right there, you're just making a bunch of assumptions with no evidence to back up your claims whatsoever.-snip- |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
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Grey-Zone said: source: Seventhstyle How can people take that seriously? Next people are going to tell me that the report from kdramastars about Attack on Titan season 2 airing in July 2014 is also true.... OH WAIT! I don't know about the source, but the overlapping images for proof is pretty convincing to me. Anyways it's not confirmed one way or another and I don't care either way, so |
SolvitePriest said: Ok everybody, the author took inspiration from other work. Time to drop NGNL to a 6.5. Shows over. +10000 |
SolviteWoTaberu said: You can call "inspiration" the similarities between NGNL's setting and Mondaiji-tachi's one. But when you compare two drawings and most of the body lines overlap perfectly, one of the two authors either is the new Giotto or he traced the other drawing. (or they both traced the same source, but that can't be the case since we are talking about more than 15 illustrations)Ok everybody, the author took inspiration from other work. The hilarious thing here is that Kantoku makes fanarts based on a novel illustrated by a person who his tracing Kantoku's illustrations for another novel... LOL! |
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SnazzGary said: GinMagi said: I think this doesn't count since the artist mostly copied the poses not the art style or how the character looks. Doesn't matter if he didn't take the art style. The lines nearly perfectly overlap. That's tracing and copying without permission/crediting. Don't get me wrong, I'm for tracing. But I'm not for tracing, publishing, not crediting, and making a profit off of it. Trace, and keep it to yourself. Don't flash it about. Dude... shut up. I'm not an "artist" but I know that artists throughout history made pictures of modelling after something. Even freaking Mona Lisa. What's the difference between that and your so called "tracing"? I'm not even trying to prove something here, I just think your so called argument is completely stupid. Like people can't take inspirations for their original characters or drawings from somewhere else. |
HandsomeMan said: The former is art, the latter is blatant copyright infringment.I'm not an "artist" but I know that artists throughout history made pictures of modelling after something. Even freaking Mona Lisa. What's the difference between that and your so called "tracing"? Tracing has nothing to do with inspiration; by tracing you don't "model after something", you COPY something: the final result is a carbon-copy with some adjustments. |
| Humans are suspicious and jealous creatures. When they see something perfect, they wanna find a flaw. Ratohnhaketon said: You have much to learn if you have not joined the witch hunt to down vote every anime that rises above our underrated favorites. I am currently on a campaign to get Training with Hinako into the top 12. Shit taste is hard to fight though, it's like trying to talk sense to an army of hallucinating loonies. Ty-Ki said: It's hilarious to see morons wasting more time with the series they hate so much than the fans of it. |
| Frankly, I don't think this is an issue at all. First, most (around half) of the images in the so called "proof" is quite a far stretch in my opinion; only in a very tiny portion do they match up line-for-line, or, in some cases, don't match at all, and are nothing more than the original accusor grasping at straws. The rest, while there is the slight chance, that it isn't actually traced and the artist is just either that unlucky, or that talented at copying, for arguments sake, I'll not take into much consideration. So since I'm assuming from here on out, that the other half of the images were, in fact, traced, here's my (rethoric) question. Did he, in fact, blatantly copy the work of others, and sold it claiming it's his own? I would say no, he did not. After tracing over the images to get some of the basic linework done, he extensively modified the images to suit his tastes, or if you would, his vision. After such extensive modification and what is likely as much time as the "original" image's artist spent on his work (if not more), I honestly can't help but say, that the whole issue was blown way out of proportions; Not to mention, that with modifications that extensive, Fair Use might already be in effect. Adding to that, as a final note, one should note, that the original article can't be considered as anything more than a rumor piece. It is information obtained from dubious sources at best without confirmation, denial or any noteworthy comment from ANY side. One cannot deny the possibility, that the artists themselves were already fully aware of any tracing that actually took place, if any. Also worth considering is the fact, that we haven't seen the presence or the lack of any credit pages, thus we can not be sure if the artists did go uncredited, assuming there's anyone even deserving credit. |
| I guess it wont matter to anyone here that for ages artist were taught how to draw by having them copy and create duplicates of the works of the old masters. It's not like anyone is getting mad at anyone else for taking the same stupid photo over and over and claiming it as their own. And that they sell model reference templates with just "poses" for people to use as the basis of their art... That's not a thing. What about those anime that "steal" a few line from Shakespeare or entire plots..? Words are covered by copyright too. Truth is, people blatantly misunderstand copyright, what it protects, and how it is applied. Most art is derivative. |
| I'd say he just relied on those images heavily for reference. [quote=Objurgo's about me section;] [b]MAL's up an' coming Arteest [/b][/quote] |
ObjurgoJun 14, 2015 6:33 PM
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-Alians- said: Can anyone comment on my profile what tracing means? Does it mean copy? Drawing over existing lines. Meaning other drawings or photos |
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