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Dec 30, 2013 3:01 AM
#251
Dec 30, 2013 5:09 AM
#252
| What an episode. Now we wait to find out who's dead and who isn't.. |
Dec 30, 2013 5:56 AM
#253
| high possibility that manaka is dead, i bet the next story arc will be 2-5years after the incident, hikari and and akari are in a state of hibernation wakes up to their surprise miuna is already a big girl :) |
Dec 30, 2013 8:22 AM
#254
| Where did people learn that becoming a sacrificed maiden means DEATH? So the sea god is a Necrophilia now? Chisaki is a bitch? It is true that Kaname was feeling jealousy at that scene but I think it was more just that. Kaname was with Chisaki for like their entire life but she never once showed THAT kind of caring toward him(as far as we know) but instead she did it for Tsumugu who was just befriended with her not too long ago. I think he just realized what went wrong. From the very first episode it was known and cleared that Kaname always perfected around Chisaki(expected the last few episodes which he was finally at his limit). As for Chisaki, she is always caring and worrying about her friends even toward Manaka who is supposedly her rival in love. And that was where Kaname finally realized that the perfect person he was trying to be when he is around Chisaki was what really pushed him away from her even further than he would want it to be. |
Dec 30, 2013 8:50 AM
#255
| I'm ganna tell you after the "insert event"... I FUCKING KNEW IT!!!!! I FUCKING KNEW IT!!!! THE FALLING STRUCTURE!!! THE COLLISION AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA!!!! KANAME!!!! MANAKA!!!! OMG!!!! Umigami-sama... UP URS! It's been a long time since I'm this concerned for anime character's safety. my heart is torn... yet I kept laughing... I laugh at the ridiculousness of everything that happen... The event played out so horribly that I laugh, shit after shit occur... I'm laughing out of despair. |
AirStylesDec 30, 2013 9:40 AM
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Dec 30, 2013 3:40 PM
#256
| Omg i really hope that Kaname, Hikari, Manaka are fine O_O Everything was going so perfectly fine and was all so beautiful... and then... fuck.. |
Dec 31, 2013 4:14 AM
#259
| Anyone wants spoiler? I saw it. And I'm telling you guys, it's not much different from what we've predicted. From it, I can tell there will be timeskip. That's it. Now let ur imaginations decide. ps. Not sure if the spoiler I got is true or not. It's just make me numb. Not histerical or anything. I'm hoping the next season (13 eps) will continue to awesome me. |
Dec 31, 2013 9:33 AM
#260
| Dang... Would Manaka have confessed her love to Hikari had she not been totally annihilated? Chisaki's bipolar feelings killed Kaname. What the heck man. That hit the the fan really fast. Such an epic episode. I wonder how the story will play out from here on. |
Dec 31, 2013 11:35 AM
#261
hyuutaeng said: ps. Not sure if the spoiler I got is true or not. How are there spoilers when this anime is an original? |
Dec 31, 2013 12:35 PM
#262
mayukachan said: hyuutaeng said: ps. Not sure if the spoiler I got is true or not. How are there spoilers when this anime is an original? Maybe from manga? There is only few chapters translated... http://mangafox.me/manga/nagi_no_asukara/ http://www.dm5.com/manhua-ziwufengzhimingri/ I don't know this is all... or just only these chapters are out. |
Dec 31, 2013 1:05 PM
#263
LittleStar said: mayukachan said: hyuutaeng said: ps. Not sure if the spoiler I got is true or not. How are there spoilers when this anime is an original? Maybe from manga? There is only few chapters translated... http://mangafox.me/manga/nagi_no_asukara/ http://www.dm5.com/manhua-ziwufengzhimingri/ I don't know this is all... or just only these chapters are out. The only spoiler is the image posted on the official nagiasu website. (http://nagiasu.jp/) |
Jan 1, 2014 4:29 AM
#264
LittleStar said: Maybe from manga? There is only few chapters translated... http://mangafox.me/manga/nagi_no_asukara/ http://www.dm5.com/manhua-ziwufengzhimingri/ I don't know this is all... or just only these chapters are out. Manga is adaptation of anime. There is no point of reading it, anime will end long before manga. |
Jan 1, 2014 10:07 AM
#265
| aarhhhhhhhhh manaka cant die yet. she have to make a lot of baby like the old man say |
Jan 1, 2014 1:17 PM
#266
| So, is Manaka being in hibernation now, and Kaname too? Love polygon is broken. Hikari and Akari are probably all right but many people died this day. Not exactly way how to bring peace between human and aquatic races. Let's see everyone manages to live with this. |
Jan 1, 2014 6:15 PM
#267
| kaname!!!! didn't expect that to happen, as for manaka it was predictable. the preview of the next episode looks too peaceful after that event with manaka and kaname on another note; there are more hint for tsumugu + chisaki =v= |
Jan 1, 2014 9:14 PM
#268
| To me, it seemed like Manaka has already settled on her feelings for Hikari. Like during that scene where Hikari was saying everyone was precious to him, she looked like she wanted to tell him that was exactly how she felt, but she's realizing how precious Hikari is to her now. Now, she's lost her chance :( I personally think her Ena crystallized or something or she turned to stone, that's why the impact with the sea floor was so harsh. She's more likely to be missing in the ocean than dead, but either could be a possibility. As for Chisaki....lol I can only think about how she has landed herself into the main shoujo protagonist role (as in she switched with Manaka) and Kaname is experiencing the "secondary love interest syndrome". Tsumugu is the main love interest who hints at having feelings for Chisaki and Chisaki is now stuck deciding between the two. And then, when Chisaki ultimately chooses Tsumugu, Sayu will swoop in to support Kaname's broken heart~ V__V I don't want Chisaki to get with Tsumugu, because I really don't want Kaname to be the odd one out. But there's also Miuna who has a crush on Hikari and I don't think she will get her feelings fulfilled. But seeing as how Chisaki is older with Tsumugu (in the key visual), them getting together is more likely to happen and I am upset about it. Also, since Chisaki is stuck on the surface with no home or family, do you think she stayed at Tsumugu's place or hunkered in with Akari's family? My only gripe about the episode is the part with Kaname hanging on the side. You'd think Chisaki or someone on the boat would make sure he's up and over and everyone's safe, but she was more concerned about Tsumugu than making sure everyone else came back safely to the surface. But I guess that can be factored that it was a chaotic scene, no one can really think straight. Also we don't know how this affected Akari. For all we know, the trauma could have slipped her into a coma O.O |
Jan 2, 2014 12:25 AM
#269
LadyHepatica said: You'd think Chisaki or someone on the boat would make sure he's up and over and everyone's safe, but she was more concerned about Tsumugu than making sure everyone else came back safely to the surface. But I guess that can be factored that it was a chaotic scene, no one can really think straight. Well, let's not forget that Tsumugu was the only one out of the people who fell into the ocean who cannot breathe underwater (being the only land-dweller in the group and all), so there was real danger of him drowning. |
Jan 2, 2014 3:20 AM
#270
Siva said: Where did people learn that becoming a sacrificed maiden means DEATH? So the sea god is a Necrophilia now? They must be not paying attention: the sea god wants to have children with the bride and his scale (who is like an avatar who shares his feelings) has always been into Manaka, pointing out the moment she started ovulating. This was an obvious set up. When Uroko explained about the possibility to save people with what happened in the past (with the brave woman coming to see the sea god to ask for mercy) during episode 10, he was looking at Manaka the whole time. The only way to have more sea people is that if the god takes a new wife again. This is how the population started growing after most left the sea for land. As for the person who said "Hikari is descendant of 'that man'", Uroko means he's the head priest's son. That's all. He was protecting Akari and Hikari on behalf of his father, with a promise he made, it's also in the episode he tried to stop them from leaving. But his task as part of the sea god's more important than his vow to their father. |
ThessJan 2, 2014 3:26 AM
Jan 2, 2014 10:29 AM
#271
| The beginning of ceremony was beautiful, with the music and the gift of Uroko-sama (Akari's tears as a bride) and all. i am kind of happy that Manaka died (she hit the ground really hard), but poor Kaname ;_; he was just an outsider yet he died for nothing. Though not sure if he died. i like how ending song makes more sense the more episodes you watch. |
Jan 2, 2014 1:28 PM
#272
| And if that didn't kill her there's likely to be some prickly jellyfish stalking about... zzzzzzap! ...crocodile dundee, anybody? |
ghostbuster_007Jan 2, 2014 1:33 PM
Jan 2, 2014 2:55 PM
#273
UnderminE said: but poor Kaname ;_; he was just an outsider yet he died for nothing. Though not sure if he died. Eh? http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=715095 |
Jan 2, 2014 4:40 PM
#274
| Will anyone actually die from this event... I really don't think they will. It's possible that now Manaka and Kaname will be forced to go into hibernation now. It's a very hard show to predict right now because just look at this crazy plot twist out of no where xD |
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Jan 2, 2014 8:37 PM
#275
iNeon said: Will anyone actually die from this event... I really don't think they will. It's possible that now Manaka and Kaname will be forced to go into hibernation now. It's a very hard show to predict right now because just look at this crazy plot twist out of no where xD It's not at all out of nowhere. We all knew the Sea God was "real" and we were all told he took brides. It was dumb of the kids and Akari to expect nothing to happen when they are offering a real live "sacrifice" as an offering to the Sea God, which was something done in the past. |
Jan 3, 2014 12:47 AM
#276
StevenHu said: It's not at all out of nowhere. We all knew the Sea God was "real" and we were all told he took brides. It was dumb of the kids and Akari to expect nothing to happen when they are offering a real live "sacrifice" as an offering to the Sea God, which was something done in the past. I agree with this. It's not like the people in this setting think the sea god is just a legend or anything - there's physical proof of his existence everywhere in their lives (people with ena who breathe underwater, the sacred fire, etc). I find it really strange that they didn't think the sea god might actually take the sacrifice they were offering him, especially considering the situation with hibernation and the incoming ice age. I feel bad for what happened to Makana, but the adults at least really should have known better. |
Jan 3, 2014 2:43 AM
#277
cafe_conleche said: StevenHu said: It's not at all out of nowhere. We all knew the Sea God was "real" and we were all told he took brides. It was dumb of the kids and Akari to expect nothing to happen when they are offering a real live "sacrifice" as an offering to the Sea God, which was something done in the past. I agree with this. It's not like the people in this setting think the sea god is just a legend or anything - there's physical proof of his existence everywhere in their lives (people with ena who breathe underwater, the sacred fire, etc). I find it really strange that they didn't think the sea god might actually take the sacrifice they were offering him, especially considering the situation with hibernation and the incoming ice age. I feel bad for what happened to Makana, but the adults at least really should have known better. If I remember correctly, the original legend stated that the bride was a girl from the land- and correspondingly, the doll was traditionally done by the land dwellers only. Regardless of whether she's living on the land, Akari's still a daughter of the sea. Maybe they were holding on to the hope that the Sea God wouldn't take one of his own descendents? Remember what Uroko said about having to protect the Sakishima siblings because "[they were] his descendents"? |
helenobellJan 3, 2014 1:12 PM
Jan 3, 2014 10:10 AM
#278
| Maybe you guys should go back and watch the beginning of episode 10 again before jumping into a random conclusion. First of all, there is no "sacrifice" in neither the legend nor the Ofunehiki. In the legend as Uroko stated, the girl from the land jumped into the sea to VISIT the sea god after the world turned into cold and gray. So what is Ofunehiki? Ofunehiki is just a festival that mimic the legend and it was never stated that Ofunehiki is ritual to sacrifice a girl. Ofunehiki has been done many times in the past until now except for this one where people from the land and sea no longer want to get together and make it happened. Secondly, Uroko stated that the sea god is no longer like before he is weaker now because there is no more prayers. And then he went on to say there is no other way than go into hibernation while waiting for the calamity to come to an end and the sea god to be able to regain his power back. But what exactly happened here? The sea god still have power and he is forcefully taking a sacrifice. The sea god simply lied to his people and his believers. It is also possible that the legend is also a lie. The people of the sea and land simply have no idea what is going on or what is going to happen or what the almighty sea god is doing behind their back. To push the blame onto the adult is just wrong. They are doing nothing wrong they are just doing Ofunehiki(festival) which they always did in the past in hope the sea god would bless them. It is true that this time they added a real girl on top of it but this is not a ritual to sacrifice a girl. |
Jan 3, 2014 4:22 PM
#279
| Does anyone know the name of the OST that appears when Tsumugu is stuck inside the water twister. I've been dying to find out. I just want to listen to the melody all day. Unfortunately I don't know it's name... THANKS! |
Jan 3, 2014 5:25 PM
#280
| It feels like we're all just innocent bystanders just watching horrible things happen. Just how cruel is this anime! I LOVE IT! |
Jan 3, 2014 10:16 PM
#281
| Does anyone know when episode 14 will air? |
Jan 3, 2014 10:37 PM
#282
Flowerbyo said: Does anyone know when episode 14 will air? Anichart Says 5 more days to next episode : http://anichart.net/winter |
Jan 4, 2014 4:02 AM
#283
Siva said: Maybe you guys should go back and watch the beginning of episode 10 again before jumping into a random conclusion. First of all, there is no "sacrifice" in neither the legend nor the Ofunehiki. In the legend as Uroko stated, the girl from the land jumped into the sea to VISIT the sea god after the world turned into cold and gray. So what is Ofunehiki? Ofunehiki is just a festival that mimic the legend and it was never stated that Ofunehiki is ritual to sacrifice a girl. Ofunehiki has been done many times in the past until now except for this one where people from the land and sea no longer want to get together and make it happened. But didn't they state in episode 1 that the Ofunehiki is based on the sacrificial maidens they sent as wives for the sea god on boats? In episode 2 they also call the Ojoushi-sama a sacrifice. The idea seems to be that the bride sacrifices herself (by marrying the sea god) so as to protect her people. At any rate, if I remember correctly the Ofunehiki itself consists of a symbolic reenactment of a marriage ceremony between a mortal girl and the sea god (in fact Akari's fiancé even jokes that if he sees her in the ceremony's clothes he won't be able to give her to the sea god, doesn't he?). Even worse, we know from the scale of the sea god himself that such a marriage has actually happened before in very similar circumstances (incoming ice age although due to different reasons, a mortal girl who successfully begs the god to save humanity and becomes his bride). So far the Ofunehiki were purely symbolic - the bride was a wooden doll - however this time they performed the ceremony with a real girl. Seeing how they know for sure that the sea god is real, and given the worrying situation with the ice age, I find it a little strange that not even one person wondered whether it could be a bad idea to perform a marriage ceremony with a real bride. Even if she's from the sea and not the surface, didn't anyone stop to think that they were technically marrying her off to someone who exists and could therefore actually accept her as a bride? |
Jan 4, 2014 5:06 AM
#284
cafe_conleche said: While I see your point but both of our information were all come from the same show. Therefore someone in the show must be lying. Siva said: Maybe you guys should go back and watch the beginning of episode 10 again before jumping into a random conclusion. First of all, there is no "sacrifice" in neither the legend nor the Ofunehiki. In the legend as Uroko stated, the girl from the land jumped into the sea to VISIT the sea god after the world turned into cold and gray. So what is Ofunehiki? Ofunehiki is just a festival that mimic the legend and it was never stated that Ofunehiki is ritual to sacrifice a girl. Ofunehiki has been done many times in the past until now except for this one where people from the land and sea no longer want to get together and make it happened. But didn't they state in episode 1 that the Ofunehiki is based on the sacrificial maidens they sent as wives for the sea god on boats? In episode 2 they also call the Ojoushi-sama a sacrifice. The idea seems to be that the bride sacrifices herself (by marrying the sea god) so as to protect her people. At any rate, if I remember correctly the Ofunehiki itself consists of a symbolic reenactment of a marriage ceremony between a mortal girl and the sea god (in fact Akari's fiancé even jokes that if he sees her in the ceremony's clothes he won't be able to give her to the sea god, doesn't he?). Even worse, we know from the scale of the sea god himself that such a marriage has actually happened before in very similar circumstances (incoming ice age although due to different reasons, a mortal girl who successfully begs the god to save humanity and becomes his bride). So far the Ofunehiki were purely symbolic - the bride was a wooden doll - however this time they performed the ceremony with a real girl. Seeing how they know for sure that the sea god is real, and given the worrying situation with the ice age, I find it a little strange that not even one person wondered whether it could be a bad idea to perform a marriage ceremony with a real bride. Even if she's from the sea and not the surface, didn't anyone stop to think that they were technically marrying her off to someone who exists and could therefore actually accept her as a bride? If you believe Ofunehiki is something you could count as a real ritual to sacrifice a young girl to the sea god then would you think sending a fake wooden bride to him every year is pretty much an insult to him? On the other hand, Uroko even stated that the sea god is useless/powerless to do anything at all then he suddenly power up and did this. I just don't think it is right to blame innocence people who are trying to save themselves. |
Jan 4, 2014 5:22 AM
#285
| poor Kaname ;__; dat feelings lol |
Jan 4, 2014 9:49 AM
#286
| OMGOMGOMGOMG. Where the hell is Kaname? There's no way he died... I would be devastated, ahhh. And seriously, is Manaka a freaking idiot? She's such a hypocrite. Yeah, everyone has someone precious to them.... how can you sacrifice yourself when there are so many people that find you precious? Sigh. This episode was crazy... I honestly don't know what the Sea God wants. Will the hibernation stop that he has Manaka now? Idk. I loved the Chisaki x Tsumugu moments though... I think they make a really good couple, and I've thought that since the "sea slug" moment. I'm sorry Manaka, but I don't think you fit well with Tsumugu.... and he hasn't shown enough affection for you, not in the same way that he's shown Chisaki. I think Manaka should stick with Hii-kun. But that just leaves poor Kaname out :'( AHHHH THIS SHOW. But I love the fantasy/romance/school/slice of life genre. And the sea people are awesome. Can't wait for the next, terribly melodramatic episode! I hope they step up their character development though, things are really starting to be long-winded and over-the-top. Some Chisaki x Tsumugu, please. I think I see myself most in Chisaki, which is why I sympathize with her. Although I'm not as mature, and I'm more like Manaka in some aspects, I'm not as strong as Manaka. Rather, I'm the insecure type, with a slight inferiority complex. For me, I'd have to go with Tsumugu. I mean, THAT FACE <3 but also, his personality just fits with Chisaki. They make each other stronger. |
Jan 4, 2014 1:43 PM
#287
Siva said: I literally have no life and I copied most of Hikari's narration to understand the story a bit more and this is how the legend goes in the first episode. Long ago, everyone lived in the sea. But then, marveling at the land. Man abandoned the sea. He shed the raiment he needed to live in the sea, which had been given to him by the sea god. Man then faced a great many hardships. Droughts plagued him, and he fought over fresh water. Some were convinced that the sea god was angry at man's ingratitude and avarice so they sent young girls out on little boats to sacrifice them to the sea god. That's how the boat ceremony began. These days, they use rice, sweets, and the like instead of sacrificing people. Supposedly, we are all offspring of the sea god and those sacrificial maidens." What you are referring to is not the Ofunehiki but what a girl did to save humanity when the Sea God disappeared. |
Jan 4, 2014 2:44 PM
#288
Siva said: While I see your point but both of our information were all come from the same show. Therefore someone in the show must be lying. If you believe Ofunehiki is something you could count as a real ritual to sacrifice a young girl to the sea god then would you think sending a fake wooden bride to him every year is pretty much an insult to him? On the other hand, Uroko even stated that the sea god is useless/powerless to do anything at all then he suddenly power up and did this. I just don't think it is right to blame innocence people who are trying to save themselves. I don't think I'm blaming anyone for anything that they didn't do - I agree that the adults never intended for this to happen to Manaka (or Akari), in that sense the main culprit here is the sea god. What I'm saying, however, is that it makes literally no sense that not even one person considered there might be a risk in performing the ceremony with a real woman. It's just illogical, considering they are aware that the sea god exists and that he's taken human wives before. Also, I'm not sure why the Ofunehiki with a wooden doll would be an insult? It's a symbolic gesture that ackowledges and perpetuates their shared history with the sea god, there's no need for a real sacrifice since there is no calamity to protect anyone from (till now anyway). The problem is it stopped being a mere symbolic gesture when they actually performed a wedding ceremony with a real bride while praying to be saved from a calamity. I guess only time will tell, but I wonder if that aspect of the show is going to go for a "don't forget the roots/meaning of your traditions and identity" morality. |
Jan 4, 2014 3:06 PM
#289
| Kaname and Manaka can't be dead. They just can't be. ;( It's shown time and time again that the Sea God and his "scale" are complete douchebags. Kaname was the saddest part... Those 10 seconds of him climbing onto the boat, seeing Tsugumu and Chisaki, then falling... Crying over and over. |
Haunt-botJan 4, 2014 3:29 PM
| Shoot first, think never. |
Jan 4, 2014 3:09 PM
#290
| Two (possibly) in a single episode. I haven't felt this crushed since Urobutcher in Psycho Pass. |
Jan 4, 2014 10:04 PM
#291
Jan 4, 2014 11:03 PM
#292
Jan 5, 2014 12:20 AM
#293
| looks like i found me yet another emotional roller coaster of an anime :'( |
Jan 5, 2014 12:35 AM
#294
| Mother of cliffhangers! |
Jan 5, 2014 1:25 AM
#295
| Feels like Kaname's death was more like a mercy killing rather then a tragedy alot of foreshadowing first the confession, then right before he saw her holding tsumugo just feels like a mercy killing to me but i really hope he doesnt die, and as for manaka, its impossible to kill off the MAIN heroine this early in the anime or else it will kill there ratings off completely feels the same with Kaname just not as much because the ending theme song really seems like something will happen in this anime that is painful to watch |
Jan 5, 2014 1:56 AM
#296
MusicaFate said: While I appreciated your effort in doing this but I already went back and check it. But I am not too sure why are you trying to separate Ofunehiki and Legend into 2 different thing.Siva said: I literally have no life and I copied most of Hikari's narration to understand the story a bit more and this is how the legend goes in the first episode. Long ago, everyone lived in the sea. But then, marveling at the land. Man abandoned the sea. He shed the raiment he needed to live in the sea, which had been given to him by the sea god. Man then faced a great many hardships. Droughts plagued him, and he fought over fresh water. Some were convinced that the sea god was angry at man's ingratitude and avarice so they sent young girls out on little boats to sacrifice them to the sea god. That's how the boat ceremony began. These days, they use rice, sweets, and the like instead of sacrificing people. Supposedly, we are all offspring of the sea god and those sacrificial maidens." What you are referring to is not the Ofunehiki but what a girl did to save humanity when the Sea God disappeared. cafe_conleche said: I think your thinking is conflicted. First off all, you believe that Ofunehiki is a serious business then you go on and believe that using a wooden doll is just a mere symbolic gesture. What made you think it is fine to use a wooden doll as long as there is no calamity? Did the sea god ever tell them that you can play with my feeling as long as you don't need me?I don't think I'm blaming anyone for anything that they didn't do - I agree that the adults never intended for this to happen to Manaka (or Akari), in that sense the main culprit here is the sea god. What I'm saying, however, is that it makes literally no sense that not even one person considered there might be a risk in performing the ceremony with a real woman. It's just illogical, considering they are aware that the sea god exists and that he's taken human wives before. Also, I'm not sure why the Ofunehiki with a wooden doll would be an insult? It's a symbolic gesture that ackowledges and perpetuates their shared history with the sea god, there's no need for a real sacrifice since there is no calamity to protect anyone from (till now anyway). The problem is it stopped being a mere symbolic gesture when they actually performed a wedding ceremony with a real bride while praying to be saved from a calamity. I guess only time will tell, but I wonder if that aspect of the show is going to go for a "don't forget the roots/meaning of your traditions and identity" morality. |
Jan 5, 2014 5:07 AM
#297
Siva said: I think your thinking is conflicted. First off all, you believe that Ofunehiki is a serious business then you go on and believe that using a wooden doll is just a mere symbolic gesture. What made you think it is fine to use a wooden doll as long as there is no calamity? Did the sea god ever tell them that you can play with my feeling as long as you don't need me? I'm not sure why you think that a symbolic gesture can't be serious business or that it means playing with the sea god's feelings, though? If performed seriously (and not just as a boring habit without deeper meaning as it is implied the surface people were viewing it lately), the Ofunehiki, even with a wooden doll, could show the sea god that they haven't forgotten him and their shared history with him. Seeing what we know of the legend (with the sea god almost leaving them to freeze to death then showing mercy after the intervention of the mortal woman), this ceremony could be a honest expression of respect, gratitude and fear. Even if they weren't literally sacrificing someone, doing the Ofunehiki seriously acknowledges the importance of the sea god to them. In fact, isn't the reason behind the sea god's current decreasing power and incoming ice age that the surface people have gradually forgotten and stopped caring about him? It got to the point where they couldn't even be bothered to do the Ofunehiki this year, and it's implied they've more or less forgotten what the deeper meaning behind it is supposed to be. I guess we'll have to wait and see how the series continues, but so far it does seem possible that it's trying to make a point against forgetting the roots behind traditions and shared identity - neglecting/forgetting about the sea god may not only have resulted in an ice age, but also Manaka being lost. |
Jan 5, 2014 8:49 AM
#298
cafe_conleche said: I think I wasn't clear enough last time. For a normal circumstance, you point is entirely right BUT when you add the action of the sea god in this episode to this to the equation then you got this: if you perform Ofunehiki with a wooden doll the sea god is happy but if you were to use a real girl he will jump out in lust and grab it by force. I'm not sure why you think that a symbolic gesture can't be serious business or that it means playing with the sea god's feelings, though? If performed seriously (and not just as a boring habit without deeper meaning as it is implied the surface people were viewing it lately), the Ofunehiki, even with a wooden doll, could show the sea god that they haven't forgotten him and their shared history with him. cafe_conleche said: I think the real important issue is that does the sea god has ever done anything important as to have a real impact on the people who live on the land? No, he simply doesn't but it could be because he has no power over the land. Ok thats fine.Seeing what we know of the legend (with the sea god almost leaving them to freeze to death then showing mercy after the intervention of the mortal woman), this ceremony could be a honest expression of respect, gratitude and fear. Even if they weren't literally sacrificing someone, doing the Ofunehiki seriously acknowledges the importance of the sea god to them. In fact, isn't the reason behind the sea god's current decreasing power and incoming ice age that the surface people have gradually forgotten and stopped caring about him? It got to the point where they couldn't even be bothered to do the Ofunehiki this year, and it's implied they've more or less forgotten what the deeper meaning behind it is supposed to be. I guess we'll have to wait and see how the series continues, but so far it does seem possible that it's trying to make a point against forgetting the roots behind traditions and shared identity - neglecting/forgetting about the sea god may not only have resulted in an ice age, but also Manaka being lost. As for the sea god, why is his power getting weaker? Because of the land people has forgotten about him? That does make much sense to me. Why does he even need the prayer from the land people in the first place? Wouldn't the prayer from the sea people should enough? Apparently no, the sea god seems to be a small mind person who want all the attention from people on earth to worry about him. And so he went into hiding in the deep sea with the excuse of gaining power back while ignoring both the people of the land and sea. But now it seemed that our sea god finally gained his power back and in turn he used that power and turned it into wrath with the result of people of the land dying and people of the sea suffering. I mean seriously how much TSUNDERE can this sea god be? Honestly I think the show is in a pretty damn good direction and I can't wait to see it unfolds. |
Jan 5, 2014 10:41 AM
#299
| Was not expecting this at all. I was really hoping the Ofunehiki would go really well and so would the hibernation but instead both Manaka and Kaname are possibly dead, Hikari's nowhere to be found and Chisaki looks like she's going to break down. On top of that it looked like Manaka was ready to confess her feelings for Hikari, too. Such an intense episode! Miuna trying to call Akari "mom" was adorable, probably the only happy thing that happened in this episode. Uroko-sama making Hikari's dad fall asleep was kinda weird, I feel like he has some motive he's not letting on about. Cannot wait for the next episode. |
Jan 6, 2014 8:01 AM
#300
Siva said: cafe_conleche said: I think I wasn't clear enough last time. For a normal circumstance, you point is entirely right BUT when you add the action of the sea god in this episode to this to the equation then you got this: if you perform Ofunehiki with a wooden doll the sea god is happy but if you were to use a real girl he will jump out in lust and grab it by force. I'm not sure why you think that a symbolic gesture can't be serious business or that it means playing with the sea god's feelings, though? If performed seriously (and not just as a boring habit without deeper meaning as it is implied the surface people were viewing it lately), the Ofunehiki, even with a wooden doll, could show the sea god that they haven't forgotten him and their shared history with him. cafe_conleche said: I think the real important issue is that does the sea god has ever done anything important as to have a real impact on the people who live on the land? No, he simply doesn't but it could be because he has no power over the land. Ok thats fine.Seeing what we know of the legend (with the sea god almost leaving them to freeze to death then showing mercy after the intervention of the mortal woman), this ceremony could be a honest expression of respect, gratitude and fear. Even if they weren't literally sacrificing someone, doing the Ofunehiki seriously acknowledges the importance of the sea god to them. In fact, isn't the reason behind the sea god's current decreasing power and incoming ice age that the surface people have gradually forgotten and stopped caring about him? It got to the point where they couldn't even be bothered to do the Ofunehiki this year, and it's implied they've more or less forgotten what the deeper meaning behind it is supposed to be. I guess we'll have to wait and see how the series continues, but so far it does seem possible that it's trying to make a point against forgetting the roots behind traditions and shared identity - neglecting/forgetting about the sea god may not only have resulted in an ice age, but also Manaka being lost. As for the sea god, why is his power getting weaker? Because of the land people has forgotten about him? That does make much sense to me. Why does he even need the prayer from the land people in the first place? Wouldn't the prayer from the sea people should enough? Apparently no, the sea god seems to be a small mind person who want all the attention from people on earth to worry about him. And so he went into hiding in the deep sea with the excuse of gaining power back while ignoring both the people of the land and sea. But now it seemed that our sea god finally gained his power back and in turn he used that power and turned it into wrath with the result of people of the land dying and people of the sea suffering. I mean seriously how much TSUNDERE can this sea god be? Honestly I think the show is in a pretty damn good direction and I can't wait to see it unfolds. Excuse me, but I would like to step in this little discussion and outright disagree with you. Siva (your username means "gray", good for you), you label the Sea God as tsundere and describe him in a manner quite unlike what he obviously is. You are being too shallow in trying to comprehend the meaning behind his actions. Any god known to us was, to some extent or entirely (depending on which theories you favor), made up by humans. Whenever someone creates an idea, it is automatically turned into reality, in a material or spiritual sense. The simplest example is: you get an idea of a character -> you have the picture of the character in your head -> you draw the character. In the beginning, the mentioned character existed as in a spiritual manner, in your thoughts, and was then transferred on paper, a drawing. Gods and spiritual beings in fiction (and probably in reality, you never know) basically work in the same way. As long as there is someone out there who thinks of them, they will exist. In the case of very powerful and important entities, such as gods, they not only need someone to remember them, they need them to believe in them. They need believers, people who will carry on their traditions through the generations. Depending on the type of the god, there might also be the need of certain emotions, such as fear or joy, to be emitted by those who follow the said god. In our story, the Sea God is a typical example of a high level spiritual entity decay, due to loss of believers. The people of the sea are low in number and the surface constantly attracts more and more of them to leave the sea and be part of the land. If they have a child with a land-dweller, which is most often the reason they depart in the first place, the child can no longer return to living in the sea. Hence, the population of certain believers and source of the Sea God's power are growing smaller each generation. The people of the land were originally people of the sea. In other words, there was once a huge source of power for the Sea God and he was basically, well, a true god. However, his people slowly left the sea. This at first didn't cause as much harm as it eventually would, since the ones who lived on dry land still strongly believed in the existence, help and power of the Sea God. Yet as time passed on, some people no longer needed the help of the sea, since they weren't fishers. They started growing plants, taking care of animals and some were born in such a place that they would never even know what the sea looked like. Skipping forward to the modern world portrayed in the anime, we have a normal society, where humans are living their daily lives and only a fraction actually has its survival dependent on the sea. The majority of the world doesn't even know of the Sea God's existence, simply because there is no need for it to be known, because they don't need his help (or so they think). The only one who survives off the sea is the fishing industry. However, from the simple fishers to the huge companies, no one honors the god of the sea, because they wish to do whatever they wish with nature and think no one can stop them. They see no real point in doing the Ofunehiki, because there are now forecasts, so you know when the sea will be rough, they know when the breeding season for the fish is, when there is enough fish, when the fish should be left alone. Humans have grasped life with their own hands and don't need to depend on the Sea God for help. This being said, his power grows weak, but not only that. Not only do people not believe in him, everyone has started to forget him and, if you paid attention, you'd know that to forget a god means that god's ultimate destruction. There were probably many gods our ancestors believed in, but we don't know about them now, because they stopped believing and eventually even remembering. With all this being said, the reason for the need for more people believing in the Sea God is obvious. He needs them to continue existing, otherwise, he'd die. But why did he ruin the festival? It could be argued, but it's certainly not because he was small-minded or tsundere or any of the cases Siva mentioned. A god can be selfish at times, perhaps even too proud of himself, but certainly not the mentioned. Here is my little opinion: Consider what this god actually is. A god of the sea. What is the sea usually like? Well, pretty much unpredictable. It can be rough, calm, favorable, unfavorable, mysterious, you name it. As a god of the sea, Umigami-sama has different requirements in order to gain enough power to truly survive. I'll give you another example. Say we have a god of destruction. If there is no destruction, the god doesn't have power. If there aren't any lies, there is no Trickster or god of lies. Analogically speaking, most would conclude that if there is no sea, there is no sea god. Correct. But, that's not all of it. The key word is emotion. I mentioned in the beginning and some gods require emotion to exist and have power. And what is one of the strongest feelings of all? Fear. Even strong hope can't top the natural instinct to survive, the adrenaline rush and that one feeling that comes forth. Fear. The sea is naturally connected with fear, because no one knew when a storm could label you as "lost at sea" in the old days. People both loved, honored and feared the sea for its might, its power and its beauty. The Sea God got the people's honor belief and love from doing the festival. The last thing he needed was fear. Fear would embed him in their minds and hearts. In our history, most memorable figures are those who wrecked havoc on the world with their deeds. This being said, if he wished to be remembered longer, the most logical thing to do is to strike fear in the hearts of his believers, so they may create a festival in his honor in the following year to show their respect and please him. And even if they don't do the festival, he would still be remembered by what happened and stories would be told about the accident. This actually creates more believes as well as the needed emotion - fear. Of course, there might be that loneliness and wish for love in there, somewhere, but overall I would say that the need for the Ofunehiki to be done with a living woman and the ruin of the festival was a very strategic move from the Sea God's side. As for the whole wooden doll manner, I agree with cafe_conleche. Why wouldn't a symbolic act be a serious business? Even that symbolism is enough if done properly with the needed respect, honor and pinch of fear. Forget the fear, just respect would be enough. Sure, it wouldn't grant an instant huge amount of energy to the Sea God, but it would be enough for him to have medium power and, most of all, exist. Also, this: cafe_conleche said: What I'm saying, however, is that it makes literally no sense that not even one person considered there might be a risk in performing the ceremony with a real woman. It's just illogical, considering they are aware that the sea god exists and that he's taken human wives before. Absolutely agree with you there with the whole confusion part. They all knew that the Sea God actually took the offered women, but no one considered it dangerous? I would understand it if it were from the people of the land's side, but nobody from the sea's side showed any concern on the matter. Perhaps this shows that even the people of the sea have lost a lot of their faith in Umigami-sama? Manaka did go to honor him once and they do have a priest and all that, yet they don't really take their god seriously, thus lose faith in him? If this is true, then all the more reason to create all that ruckus with the festival and the taking of the sacrifice. It would show both the people of the sea and land that despite not being in his prime, the Sea God still has enough ability to be potentially dangerous. Lastly, my reaction to this: Siva said: I think the real important issue is that does the sea god has ever done anything important as to have a real impact on the people who live on the land? No, he simply doesn't but it could be because he has no power over the land. Ok thats fine. Maybe regulating the ocean currents is part of his job? I mean, he's a Sea God. What else does he have to do, other than maintain the sea and oceans? Giving fish the proper nutrients. Maintaining the balance. Google has lots of information why Gulf Stream is important to the land and why/why won't its "'shut down" cause an ice age. |
ShadowwolfcatJan 6, 2014 9:02 AM
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