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Nov 28, 2013 4:10 AM
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Something I have noticed and talked to a new friend of mine over the past week or so. If you look at anime like NANA or Honey and Clover's reception outside of MAL, you would see their scores are nothing less than perfection. However, on MAL, these anime don't have even a pinch of that acclaim given by reviewers on other major websites, and are given average or satisfactory ratings of typically 7-8.

So I had talked to this wise friend, and he stated that no matter the circumstances, anime that lean heavily on romance as a primary focal point will always have a score inferior to something like a Battle Shounen as people apparently have very little patience for developing romance other than the kiss. So to sum it up simply; Josei and Shojou anime are the primary genre examples.

I want to know your opinions on this. Do you think it is true or false? And on another note, do you believe people are gradually losing interest in romantic anime as age demographics are leaning more towards the younger, early teenager crowd?
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Every genre has haters, just some more than others. At the same time if you really have a problem with a genre you wouldn't watch it (nor downvote it) if so in the first place.
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not really i watch both battle shounen and romance
imo it just depends on the person and the audience
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The anime audience changes over time and so does MAL's community. I'd say currently the majority prefers Sci-Fi/Action/Adventure/Shounen (Steins;Gate, Shingeki no Kyojin, etc.). Romance, especially realistic or the so-called 'good romance' is a dying genre as most younger viewers prefer romance coupled with slapstick, ecchi, melodrama, and such under a High School setting with non-adult characters. It's not the only one though, the slice of life, psychological genres are also dying.
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The anime audience changes over time and so does MAL's community. I'd say currently the majority prefers Sci-Fi/Action/Adventure/Shounen (Steins;Gate, Shingeki no Kyojin, etc.). Romance, especially realistic or the so-called 'good romance' is a dying genre as most younger viewers prefer romance coupled with slapstick, ecchi, melodrama, and such under a High School setting with non-adult characters. It's not the only one though, the slice of life, psychological genres are also dying.

Isn't that a shame?
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DramaEnthusiast said:
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The anime audience changes over time and so does MAL's community. I'd say currently the majority prefers Sci-Fi/Action/Adventure/Shounen (Steins;Gate, Shingeki no Kyojin, etc.). Romance, especially realistic or the so-called 'good romance' is a dying genre as most younger viewers prefer romance coupled with slapstick, ecchi, melodrama, and such under a High School setting with non-adult characters. It's not the only one though, the slice of life, psychological genres are also dying.

Isn't that a shame?
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Nov 28, 2013 4:27 AM
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Clannad: After Story is still at #3, right?
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Regardless it all comes back to the good old rule of 'don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks, just watch whatever you want'.
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I still laugh at your suggestion a score of eight is only "average" or "satisfactory".
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Maybe a little bit, but I think that having a pure romance show sitting at number 3 on the top ratings is a fairly large counter to that argument.
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DramaEnthusiast said:
edwd2 said:
The anime audience changes over time and so does MAL's community. I'd say currently the majority prefers Sci-Fi/Action/Adventure/Shounen (Steins;Gate, Shingeki no Kyojin, etc.). Romance, especially realistic or the so-called 'good romance' is a dying genre as most younger viewers prefer romance coupled with slapstick, ecchi, melodrama, and such under a High School setting with non-adult characters. It's not the only one though, the slice of life, psychological genres are also dying.

Isn't that a shame?

It is.
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edwd2 said:
DramaEnthusiast said:
edwd2 said:
The anime audience changes over time and so does MAL's community. I'd say currently the majority prefers Sci-Fi/Action/Adventure/Shounen (Steins;Gate, Shingeki no Kyojin, etc.). Romance, especially realistic or the so-called 'good romance' is a dying genre as most younger viewers prefer romance coupled with slapstick, ecchi, melodrama, and such under a High School setting with non-adult characters. It's not the only one though, the slice of life, psychological genres are also dying.

Isn't that a shame?

It is.

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I still laugh at your suggestion a score of eight is only "average" or "satisfactory".

Yeah. That and the fact that the next high ranked anime he watches becomes his favorite anime of all time ( Clannad > Nana > FMA:B > Toradora).

I thought I missed your topics but I was sadly mistaken.
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tsudecimo said:
mitch3315 said:
I still laugh at your suggestion a score of eight is only "average" or "satisfactory".

Yeah. That and the fact that the next high ranked anime he watches becomes his favorite anime of all time ( Clannad > Nana > FMA:B > Toradora).

I thought I missed your topics but I was sadly mistaken.
you missed Suzumiya Haruhi and Madoka as well
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Regardless it all comes back to the good old rule of 'don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks, just watch whatever you want'.


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Nov 28, 2013 5:16 AM

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Well, everyone has their own taste in romance. While you think it's a ten, after reading the manga of Honey and Clover, it was no where near that at all in my opinion. I think it was a 6 or 5, the romance just was so boring and dull throughout the whole manga. Such a shame, really.

As for ratings, people will rate as they please, but don't forget there are people who just rate it even though they only watched 1 or 2 episodes of it and call it complete!
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edwd2 said:
The anime audience changes over time and so does MAL's community. I'd say currently the majority prefers Sci-Fi/Action/Adventure/Shounen (Steins;Gate, Shingeki no Kyojin, etc.). Romance, especially realistic or the so-called 'good romance' is a dying genre as most younger viewers prefer romance coupled with slapstick, ecchi, melodrama, and such under a High School setting with non-adult characters. It's not the only one though, the slice of life, psychological genres are also dying.
psychological yes, but SOL dying? not in my lifetime it wont
Nov 28, 2013 7:31 AM

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I will still keep giving romance shows high scores no matter what MAL thinks :3 Because i love romance shows.
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Ok seriously where does this thread come from, if anything romance is one of the most popular genres since it can be applied to anything, hell go into the anime recomendations and look how many people asking for ""A XXXXXX story with romance" or just flat out asking for a romance story.

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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JizzyHitler said:
Ok seriously where does this thread come from, if anything romance is one of the most popular genres since it can be applied to anything, hell go into the anime recomendations and look how many people asking for ""A XXXXXX story with romance" or just flat out asking for a romance story.


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Like it or not, we've got to admit shonen is what people mostly look for when willing to watch anime. Thus, those which happen not to stick to the standard rules shounen is set up onto , might receive unfair criticism.

I don't think MAL is the best place to find reasonable reviews actually. For instance, although i like Shingeki no Kyojin, i think this is a way too overrated mostly likely on account of how hyped it was when airing, and not due to fair, thoughtful reviews
Nov 28, 2013 8:19 AM

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Clannad is top 3 in the site...

If anything replace Romance with josei in the tittle.
Nov 28, 2013 8:23 AM

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lol romance is one of the most well received genres among anime fans, no matter how boring o how poorly written the characters are as long as it has romance, a happy ending or a kiss scene at the very end most people will like it
this seems like yet another bait thread to hate on battle shonen
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lol romance is one of the most well received genres among anime fans, no matter how boring o how poorly written the characters are as long as it has romance, a happy ending or a kiss scene at the very end most people will like it
this seems like yet another bait thread to hate on battle shonen
maybe that itself is the issue; far too many just end with an inconclusive open harem ending
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edwd2 said:
The anime audience changes over time and so does MAL's community. I'd say currently the majority prefers Sci-Fi/Action/Adventure/Shounen (Steins;Gate, Shingeki no Kyojin, etc.). Romance, especially realistic or the so-called 'good romance' is a dying genre as most younger viewers prefer romance coupled with slapstick, ecchi, melodrama, and such under a High School setting with non-adult characters. It's not the only one though, the slice of life, psychological genres are also dying.
psychological yes, but SOL dying? not in my lifetime it wont


Referring to the pure form of slice of life. Something like Aria or Haibane Renmei.
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HaXXspetten said:
silversaint said:
lol romance is one of the most well received genres among anime fans, no matter how boring o how poorly written the characters are as long as it has romance, a happy ending or a kiss scene at the very end most people will like it
this seems like yet another bait thread to hate on battle shonen
maybe that itself is the issue; far too many just end with an inconclusive open harem ending


Because giving it a true pair will make fans flips their shit, but they also flip their shit for not having a pair. Want a example of this and it is not even a harem/romance/whatever or even an anime? Harry Potter. The ending was supposed to be like "No canon ships, folks", and the fans did throw the books to the wall.

I guess that the publishers don't want to admit that not everyone is happy with an romance ending, especially with so many alternatives for the character of such show. Just put the one you feel like to happen and ask the fandumb to go screw themselves.

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Romance isn't dying on MAL. Yes, the hyped action shounens will have the most viewers and be highly rated, but those who enjoy romance, such as myself, will stick to the genres that I enjoy and rate according to my own experience. Also, as was stated earlier, don't worry what everyone else thinks and watch whatever you will enjoy. :P
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HaXXspetten said:
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lol romance is one of the most well received genres among anime fans, no matter how boring o how poorly written the characters are as long as it has romance, a happy ending or a kiss scene at the very end most people will like it
this seems like yet another bait thread to hate on battle shonen
maybe that itself is the issue; far too many just end with an inconclusive open harem ending


Because giving it a true pair will make fans flips their shit, but they also flip their shit for not having a pair. Want a example of this and it is not even a harem/romance/whatever or even an anime? Harry Potter. The ending was supposed to be like "No canon ships, folks", and the fans did throw the books to the wall.

I guess that the publishers don't want to admit that not everyone is happy with an romance ending, especially with so many alternatives for the character of such show. Just put the one you feel like to happen and ask the fandumb to go screw themselves.
Problem is harems don't really work out in a linear format. They're designed for visual novels, dating sims and eroge, because then everyone can just choose whichever heroine they want and that's the end of it, whereas when there's only one scenario animated despite a harem premise, no matter what you do there will always be people hating on it. That being said I'm quite sure there are way more people getting angry over noone getting picked than someone other than their favorite ship getting picked.

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jal90 said:
Clannad: After Story is still at #3, right?


How is Clannad: After Story romance?
Just because the coupling is established already doesn't mean it's not a romance anime. Of course getting all intimate is not the main theme whatsoever but you can't go as far as to disallowing the entire genre classification because of that alone.
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Well, since romance often clashes with the harem series, some people change their score depending on if they liked the official couple or not. Of course, even in non harems, if someone doesn't like one half of the couple, the effect will be the same. Like comedy, people's opinions of certain couples can be quite subjective.
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when i was busy making my romance/drama list (postponed work for the time being) i felt the complete oposite :D

i got to know new people on MAL :D and learned the (active) comunity is far bigger then the forum makes it look. 7/8 on MAL is a very good score :) just remember not everybody is a fan of romance and/or drama ;) just take a look at my list :D the ones i enjoy i give a high score, the ones i had problems with get low scores (bokura ga ita for example was unfinished, art style was weird and i started to hate the lead cast. or ZnT... i turned into a harem blown out of proportion and i started to hate louise from the first season and hated her more and more as the serie progressed)

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I will still keep giving romance shows high scores no matter what MAL thinks :3 Because i love romance shows.


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Nov 28, 2013 11:16 AM

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Pft, romance anime are one of the best.
Nov 28, 2013 11:51 AM

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I don't know what you're talking about Drama-chan, the recommendation section is often filled with romance requests.
And the first pages of the Top Ranking has a fair amount of romance titles.
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Since when has romance been "lesser received"?
This topic has not been locked and is still available for discussion.
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Since when has romance been "lesser received"?
Since DramaEnthusiast said so, do you really have to ask.


In general: I'm getting tired of this. You guys already know he's a troll yet you guys still give those kinds of answers.
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OP, stop spouting out nonsense and get yer facts right.
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Shinseiryuu said:
jal90 said:
Clannad: After Story is still at #3, right?


How is Clannad: After Story romance?

By depicting a love relationship, romance is not the only genre but it's not that it isn't prevalent either.
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Again 7-8 are NOT bad ratings. There are thousands of romance fags on MAL, the genre is flourishing and most people enjoy it. Your conspiracy theories get more absurd each day, OP.
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Nov 28, 2013 1:14 PM

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Well the top 3 of the top 4 rated shows (I've never watched Gintama) have romance elements or romantic sub-plots in them...
Also, how is 8 "average"?
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Thats because no matter how good of an romance anime it is, itll never be as cool as slicing monsters in half with a big giant sword. Guts over lovey dovey feeling anytime of the day.

That said I can still enjoy some romance and I even have a few 9s that are romance in my list.
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Well the top 3 of the top 4 rated shows (I've never watched Gintama) have romance elements or romantic sub-plots in them...
Also, how is 8 "average"?

Most people who seek an anime nowadays will only watch the anime that are given 10 or 9 by critics who work on sites like ANN, or in the case of MAL, a large accumulated score generated by thousands of users that fill at least near or on the 9.00 mark.

Typically if people cannot find a show given a 10 or an A+ they will try to find a show with an average of 9/A which is considered a great anime, and the best thing to see after a 10. 8 is where it begins to go downhill, as 8 is just an average anime that you'll watch out of boredom and nothing more.

Let's be serious now, no one will ever, watch an Anime given a C or 7 on MAL unless it's purely out of a leap of faith nowadays as it's a below average score. From there 6 and lower is basically just garbage, which explains why unless it's an anime that generated significant controversy like School Days they are seldom seen.

I watched Toradora recently despite it's average rating of 8.55 on MAL and it's B+ Rating on ANN, and it became my favorite anime of all time so far. So you can tell despite how I think, I am leaning more towards giving average rated an anime a chance now because you never know what you will find.
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DramaEnthusiast said:
I watched Toradora recently despite it's average rating of 8.55 on MAL and it's B+ Rating on ANN, and it became my favorite anime of all time so far. So you can tell despite how I think, I am leaning more towards giving average rated an anime a chance now because you never know what you will find.

This must be a joke, please, tell me that this is a joke.

My favorite anime has a 8.16 rating. I'm a HIPSTER.
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DramaEnthusiast said:
I watched Toradora recently despite it's average rating of 8.55 on MAL and it's B+ Rating on ANN, and it became my favorite anime of all time so far. So you can tell despite how I think, I am leaning more towards giving average rated an anime a chance now because you never know what you will find.

This must be a joke, please, tell me that this is a joke.

My favorite anime has a 8.16 rating. I'm a HIPSTER.


My all time favourite has a rating of 7.77. Even the number is amazing not only is it a heavenly number its 3 times it. Cant beat how hipster I am.
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Ok seriously where does this thread come from, if anything romance is one of the most popular genres since it can be applied to anything, hell go into the anime recomendations and look how many people asking for ""A XXXXXX story with romance" or just flat out asking for a romance story.


From Mr. DRAMA'S delusional mind.
oh that explains alot, im too used to drama having that chibi kurisu profile pic so i didnt notice it was him

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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Well the top 3 of the top 4 rated shows (I've never watched Gintama) have romance elements or romantic sub-plots in them...
Also, how is 8 "average"?

Most people who seek an anime nowadays will only watch the anime that are given 10 or 9 by critics who work on sites like ANN, or in the case of MAL, a large accumulated score generated by thousands of users that fill at least near or on the 9.00 mark.

Typically if people cannot find a show given a 10 or an A+ they will try to find a show with an average of 9/A which is considered a great anime, and the best thing to see after a 10. 8 is where it begins to go downhill, as 8 is just an average anime that you'll watch out of boredom and nothing more.

Let's be serious now, no one will ever, watch an Anime given a C or 7 on MAL unless it's purely out of a leap of faith nowadays as it's a below average score. From there 6 and lower is basically just garbage, which explains why unless it's an anime that generated significant controversy like School Days they are seldom seen.

I watched Toradora recently despite it's average rating of 8.55 on MAL and it's B+ Rating on ANN, and it became my favorite anime of all time so far. So you can tell despite how I think, I am leaning more towards giving average rated an anime a chance now because you never know what you will find.


Where do you get these ideas? Noone thinks like that except you so where do all the generalizations come from? Also 8.55 is barely more than 0.5 ratings lower than the very highest rated series on MAL, that's a top-notch score no matter what twisted logic you apply. Toradora is VERY popular and well-received.
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DramaEnthusiast said:

Most people who seek an anime nowadays will only watch the anime that are given 10 or 9 by critics.

That's only you and a minority, plenty of people here on MAL don't give a shit about scores.
There's a thread about it but I'm too lazy I can't find it.
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DramaEnthusiast said:
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Well the top 3 of the top 4 rated shows (I've never watched Gintama) have romance elements or romantic sub-plots in them...
Also, how is 8 "average"?

Most people who seek an anime nowadays will only watch the anime that are given 10 or 9 by critics who work on sites like ANN, or in the case of MAL, a large accumulated score generated by thousands of users that fill at least near or on the 9.00 mark.

Typically if people cannot find a show given a 10 or an A+ they will try to find a show with an average of 9/A which is considered a great anime, and the best thing to see after a 10. 8 is where it begins to go downhill, as 8 is just an average anime that you'll watch out of boredom and nothing more.

Let's be serious now, no one will ever, watch an Anime given a C or 7 on MAL unless it's purely out of a leap of faith nowadays as it's a below average score. From there 6 and lower is basically just garbage, which explains why unless it's an anime that generated significant controversy like School Days they are seldom seen.

I watched Toradora recently despite it's average rating of 8.55 on MAL and it's B+ Rating on ANN, and it became my favorite anime of all time so far. So you can tell despite how I think, I am leaning more towards giving average rated an anime a chance now because you never know what you will find.


Where do you get these ideas? Noone thinks like that except you so where do all the generalizations come from? Also 8.55 is barely more than 0.5 ratings lower than the very highest rated series on MAL, that's a top-notch score no matter what twisted logic you apply. Toradora is VERY popular and well-received.

It's Ranked 70, and on the 3rd Page. Since we're on MAL, it's a much better and different chain of order than say ANN, where people just cast generic votes and it doesn't lead anywhere. I'm still not sure at what ''cutting point'' for Rankings however, but I'm speculating somewhere from Top 30, 20, or 15.
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<DramaEnthusiast>: what do you believe is the ''cutting point'' for Rankings, that will mainly attract viewers to see an anime?
<DramaEnthusiast>: like Top 30, 20, 15, etc
<DramaEnthusiast>: where does the line start
<???>: Rule of thumb would be the top page--so top 30. A significant number of viewers won't go to the second page, so anything below that level won't get as much exposure.
<???>: If people stay around long enough, they'll work their way through all the ones on the top page that interest them.
<DramaEnthusiast>: thank you.

<DramaEnthusiast>: Do you think as far as MAL is concerned
<DramaEnthusiast>: 8.5ish or 8.55 to slightly higher like 8.6 is an subpar rating.
<????>: No.
<DramaEnthusiast>: see this is where my problem comes in though, I'll try to explain
<DramaEnthusiast>: People try to defend
<DramaEnthusiast>: anime around that rating at least is not subpar however
<DramaEnthusiast>: an 8.5 roughly means the anime
<DramaEnthusiast>: will appear on the 3rd of MAL's Rankings
<DramaEnthusiast>: like Toradora is Ranked 8.55 and is Ranked 70, so think of the ones rated around 8 but below it, like Spice and Wolf, which is ranked 8.40ish and is around 140 ranking.
<????>: So be in the top 90 out of several thousand series? That's pretty good.
<DramaEnthusiast>: so you think Top 90 is good?
<????>: Compare it to the total number of series.
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personally i find romance fine in anime, if
  • sounds interesting or amusing
  • doesnt get overly complicated
  • has good ending for characters i like


and as far as MAL rating, it seems to me that for some reason most shows ive seen are rated between 7.5-9.5 so i dont know what you definition of good would be but the averages dont really have a large deviation so i would say an average rating below 6.5 is a show you should look into and anything higher is fine, even though i watch shows that sound good regardless of ratings
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yes unless its moe and a late night anime then automatic love from every one
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MAL ratings *sigh* why are some people still obsessed about it. I even found MAL reviews is far more accurate than MAL ratings.
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