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epic_joelle said: I wish JC Staff used the kyousuke with Lennon scene from the refrain PV for this episode. It would've looked so much better Well it's unnecessarily flashy for the serious and subtle mood the scene was going for is why they didn't I'm sure. That was literally just for promotional purposes. |
| I just realized that the whole LB! series skipped all my favorite parts of the common route xD. Well I'll forgive them if they manage to pull Refrain off. |
MCAL said: Mich666 said: Oh, I guess it's okay then. I was playing the game some half-year ago, gotta replay it again to refresh my memories :) |
epic_joelle said: I wish JC Staff used the kyousuke with Lennon scene from the refrain PV for this episode. It would've looked so much better i have to disagree. in the pv he looked too calm calm and peaceful. i like that they made him look more mysterious and antagonistic like in the original CG |
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sanata50lbsb said: True..but maybe I was being just comparing the qualityepic_joelle said: I wish JC Staff used the kyousuke with Lennon scene from the refrain PV for this episode. It would've looked so much better i have to disagree. in the pv he looked too calm calm and peaceful. i like that they made him look more mysterious and antagonistic like in the original CG |
Graser1 said: Be honest. Did you see Kyousuke as the letter writer coming? Komari was also a possibility but the PV may have given out a tiny clue. |
egnaro15Nov 2, 2013 3:24 PM
sanata50lbsb said: epic_joelle said: I wish JC Staff used the kyousuke with Lennon scene from the refrain PV for this episode. It would've looked so much better i have to disagree. in the pv he looked too calm calm and peaceful. i like that they made him look more mysterious and antagonistic like in the original CG http://cgv.blicky.net/lbe/0206.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2Zggro9.jpg The PV was pretty close to the VN, but his smirk is just a bit different, and he's looking off to the side in the PV. |
Graser1 said: Be honest. Did you see Kyousuke as the letter writer coming? at first i had no idea who it could've been. then i was browsing around and saw the kyousuke CG and i was like :O |
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Vladz0r said: sanata50lbsb said: epic_joelle said: I wish JC Staff used the kyousuke with Lennon scene from the refrain PV for this episode. It would've looked so much better i have to disagree. in the pv he looked too calm calm and peaceful. i like that they made him look more mysterious and antagonistic like in the original CG http://cgv.blicky.net/lbe/0206.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2Zggro9.jpg The PV was pretty close to the VN, but his smirk is just a bit different, and he's looking off to the side in the PV. also, his eyebrows are slanted downwards slightly in the CG |
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| Great episode, even though the animation has fallen compared to the previous chapter and being a transition, do not worry much greater detail. Ok they changed some things, but I've been predicting this, not discouraged, even more because the characters are well explored focus not thought Riki could be this great protagonist being. The best scene was the end for sure, expect this meeting, only missed the quality of VN with Kyousuke holding Lennon;; |
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| Kind of a disappointing episode. No preparation of the event, just went straight to it. I still like watching it though <3. |
| dem Komari moments still get me every time :(,speaking of time they aren't wasting any were getting right into this huh wonder how they'll handle all the shit that happens in one episode |
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| I was 90% sure that they were going to go through the tour guide part pretty quickly. I hoped that they finished it within 5 minutes and montaged the events, and they did it in 6, so I got what I expected. I re-read/skimmed parts of Rin 2, and there was SO much dialogue that should've taken priority over the tour guide parts. I thought it was handled really well and the monologues were actually focused on something. Glad we'll get "CHEAP TRICK$!!" next episode under the better JC Staff episode director(s), given that it will be the end of a route. |
| It's a very satisfying experience seeing my favorite VN character have this much awesomeness in an anime adaption. Kyousuke continues to live on in my heart as the greatest! Shame they had to skip the practice sessions though... But it's understandable. Glad they at least packed in a lot of significant scenes with this episode. |
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| Whoa, I was waiting for that damn scene with Kyousuke holding Lennon from PV, and they made it look just lame in the anime T^T I think JC just hates me. No tsukkomi scenes... Well, it was kinda obvious. Cheap Tricks better look freaking awesome, or else I will seriously cry in my emo corner. But besides that it was a decent episode, blushing Rin was love, Masato was a love. Animation is still off though, they better fix it. Btw, what new OST? I didn't catch up anything, which scene was it? Also, Rin's yandere rapeface will haunt me this week in my nightmares: http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/5779/vp66.png |
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| Good episode, really really good episode. Was a little rushed but cmon Riki stop being stupid!! We all know you don't want her to go and if she is going to go don't push her away! omggggg xD |
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Kitsu-nee said: Whoa, I was waiting for that damn scene with Kyousuke holding Lennon from PV, and they made it look just lame in the anime T^T I think JC just hates me. No tsukkomi scenes... Well, it was kinda obvious. Chip Tricks better look freaking awesome, or else I will seriously cry in my emo corner. But besides that it was a decent episode, blushing Rin was love, Masato was a love. Animation is still off though, they better fix it. Btw, what new OST? I didn't catch up anything, which scene was it? Also, Rin's yandere rapeface will haunt me this week in my nightmares: http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/5779/vp66.png During the Kyousuke and Riki face off there was a new piano piece. |
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Draakisback said: -Riptide- said: Just watched the episode. Riki x Rin moments were so cute. That fake smile of Rin in the locker room made me laugh so hard. They really do make a good couple. I feel bad for Rin when Riki told her she was a coward but I guess Riki has no choice to say it so that Rin will agree on transferring to another school. This episode made Kyousuke look more sinister as opposed to the supportive leader he was presented to us during season 1. Really can't wait for next week! I want to know what's gonna happen to the Little Busters! PS: I wonder if next episode is when they're gonna put the rain scene with Kengo punching Kyousuke and Masato stopping him shown in the epilogue of episode 26 of season 1. We will have to see but i know Cheap tricks will be in it ;). What do you mean by Cheap tricks??? I've reading about that from time to time here in episode discussions but I don't know what that "Cheap trickd" is |
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| The episode was actually very well done in my opinion! They more or less skipped the school tour part (which I found to be very long in the VN). Rin and Riki moments were funny, and made the episode much better. The main scene, though - Riki confronting Kyosuke - could hradly be done any better. Loved how Kyosuke's character was portrayed at that moment (his attitude, appearance, actions), togetehr with the scene of running away. Reading through the thread, I'm surprised people didn't expect Kyosuke to be the one sending letters - I thought it was quite obvious even before Refrain. One more thing I liked - they didn't give any obvious hints this episode, which compared to the previous 4 is a good sign for the story development. Especially looking forward to the next week's episode - one of the best scenes of the anime incoming! And then everything else will begin... |
-Riptide- said: Draakisback said: -Riptide- said: Just watched the episode. Riki x Rin moments were so cute. That fake smile of Rin in the locker room made me laugh so hard. They really do make a good couple. I feel bad for Rin when Riki told her she was a coward but I guess Riki has no choice to say it so that Rin will agree on transferring to another school. This episode made Kyousuke look more sinister as opposed to the supportive leader he was presented to us during season 1. Really can't wait for next week! I want to know what's gonna happen to the Little Busters! PS: I wonder if next episode is when they're gonna put the rain scene with Kengo punching Kyousuke and Masato stopping him shown in the epilogue of episode 26 of season 1. We will have to see but i know Cheap tricks will be in it ;). What do you mean by Cheap tricks??? I've reading about that from time to time here in episode discussions but I don't know what that "Cheap trickd" is its what kengo shouts in the PV. we get that scene next episode. alot of subbing groups will probably put "Farce!", instead of "Cheap Tricks!". luckily our friends over at Refrain Subs know what theyre doing. |
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sanata50lbsb said: -Riptide- said: Draakisback said: -Riptide- said: Just watched the episode. Riki x Rin moments were so cute. That fake smile of Rin in the locker room made me laugh so hard. They really do make a good couple. I feel bad for Rin when Riki told her she was a coward but I guess Riki has no choice to say it so that Rin will agree on transferring to another school. This episode made Kyousuke look more sinister as opposed to the supportive leader he was presented to us during season 1. Really can't wait for next week! I want to know what's gonna happen to the Little Busters! PS: I wonder if next episode is when they're gonna put the rain scene with Kengo punching Kyousuke and Masato stopping him shown in the epilogue of episode 26 of season 1. We will have to see but i know Cheap tricks will be in it ;). What do you mean by Cheap tricks??? I've reading about that from time to time here in episode discussions but I don't know what that "Cheap trickd" is its what kengo shouts in the PV. we get that scene next episode. alot of subbing groups will probably put "Farce!", instead of "Cheap Tricks!". luckily our friends over at Refrain Subs know what theyre doing. Then why are everyone waiting for that if its just words Kengo shouted? Maybe I just forgot how he shouted it in the PV |
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-Riptide- said: sanata50lbsb said: -Riptide- said: Draakisback said: -Riptide- said: Just watched the episode. Riki x Rin moments were so cute. That fake smile of Rin in the locker room made me laugh so hard. They really do make a good couple. I feel bad for Rin when Riki told her she was a coward but I guess Riki has no choice to say it so that Rin will agree on transferring to another school. This episode made Kyousuke look more sinister as opposed to the supportive leader he was presented to us during season 1. Really can't wait for next week! I want to know what's gonna happen to the Little Busters! PS: I wonder if next episode is when they're gonna put the rain scene with Kengo punching Kyousuke and Masato stopping him shown in the epilogue of episode 26 of season 1. We will have to see but i know Cheap tricks will be in it ;). What do you mean by Cheap tricks??? I've reading about that from time to time here in episode discussions but I don't know what that "Cheap trickd" is its what kengo shouts in the PV. we get that scene next episode. alot of subbing groups will probably put "Farce!", instead of "Cheap Tricks!". luckily our friends over at Refrain Subs know what theyre doing. Then why are everyone waiting for that if its just words Kengo shouted? Maybe I just forgot how he shouted it in the PV its not the words that everyone's waiting for, its the scene. its one of the most famous scenes from the game. watch the PV again to get a little sneak peak of whats to come |
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-Riptide- said: sanata50lbsb said: -Riptide- said: Draakisback said: -Riptide- said: Just watched the episode. Riki x Rin moments were so cute. That fake smile of Rin in the locker room made me laugh so hard. They really do make a good couple. I feel bad for Rin when Riki told her she was a coward but I guess Riki has no choice to say it so that Rin will agree on transferring to another school. This episode made Kyousuke look more sinister as opposed to the supportive leader he was presented to us during season 1. Really can't wait for next week! I want to know what's gonna happen to the Little Busters! PS: I wonder if next episode is when they're gonna put the rain scene with Kengo punching Kyousuke and Masato stopping him shown in the epilogue of episode 26 of season 1. We will have to see but i know Cheap tricks will be in it ;). What do you mean by Cheap tricks??? I've reading about that from time to time here in episode discussions but I don't know what that "Cheap trickd" is its what kengo shouts in the PV. we get that scene next episode. alot of subbing groups will probably put "Farce!", instead of "Cheap Tricks!". luckily our friends over at Refrain Subs know what theyre doing. Then why are everyone waiting for that if its just words Kengo shouted? Maybe I just forgot how he shouted it in the PV It's pretty much the turning point of the whole story. It's when things get real. |
sanata50lbsb said: -Riptide- said: sanata50lbsb said: -Riptide- said: Draakisback said: -Riptide- said: Just watched the episode. Riki x Rin moments were so cute. That fake smile of Rin in the locker room made me laugh so hard. They really do make a good couple. I feel bad for Rin when Riki told her she was a coward but I guess Riki has no choice to say it so that Rin will agree on transferring to another school. This episode made Kyousuke look more sinister as opposed to the supportive leader he was presented to us during season 1. Really can't wait for next week! I want to know what's gonna happen to the Little Busters! PS: I wonder if next episode is when they're gonna put the rain scene with Kengo punching Kyousuke and Masato stopping him shown in the epilogue of episode 26 of season 1. We will have to see but i know Cheap tricks will be in it ;). What do you mean by Cheap tricks??? I've reading about that from time to time here in episode discussions but I don't know what that "Cheap trickd" is its what kengo shouts in the PV. we get that scene next episode. alot of subbing groups will probably put "Farce!", instead of "Cheap Tricks!". luckily our friends over at Refrain Subs know what theyre doing. Then why are everyone waiting for that if its just words Kengo shouted? Maybe I just forgot how he shouted it in the PV its not the words that everyone's waiting for, its the scene. its one of the most famous scenes from the game. watch the PV again to get a little sneak peak of whats to come Terminaato said: -Riptide- said: sanata50lbsb said: -Riptide- said: Draakisback said: -Riptide- said: Just watched the episode. Riki x Rin moments were so cute. That fake smile of Rin in the locker room made me laugh so hard. They really do make a good couple. I feel bad for Rin when Riki told her she was a coward but I guess Riki has no choice to say it so that Rin will agree on transferring to another school. This episode made Kyousuke look more sinister as opposed to the supportive leader he was presented to us during season 1. Really can't wait for next week! I want to know what's gonna happen to the Little Busters! PS: I wonder if next episode is when they're gonna put the rain scene with Kengo punching Kyousuke and Masato stopping him shown in the epilogue of episode 26 of season 1. We will have to see but i know Cheap tricks will be in it ;). What do you mean by Cheap tricks??? I've reading about that from time to time here in episode discussions but I don't know what that "Cheap trickd" is its what kengo shouts in the PV. we get that scene next episode. alot of subbing groups will probably put "Farce!", instead of "Cheap Tricks!". luckily our friends over at Refrain Subs know what theyre doing. Then why are everyone waiting for that if its just words Kengo shouted? Maybe I just forgot how he shouted it in the PV It's pretty much the turning point of the whole story. It's when things get real. Oh okay thanks for the info. Just watched the PV and now I'm also waiting for that scene to happen. Now I can't really wait for next week. |
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-Riptide- said: Then why are everyone waiting for that if its just words Kengo shouted? Maybe I just forgot how he shouted it in the PV Oh, haha, just some words, just some little cheap tricks... Just some cheap tricks? Hmm? Oh, these aren't JUST "some words Kengo shouted" These cheap tricks were dirty enough to take down the one called "100 Battles - No Defeat", the one who could always pull through. The scheme was far beyond foul play, trampling on the deepest ethics of his soul. These are "CHEAP TRICKS!!" This isn't some farce, or a ruse. THESE ARE CHEAP MOTHERFUCKING TRICKS$$$!! |
Vladz0r said: -Riptide- said: Then why are everyone waiting for that if its just words Kengo shouted? Maybe I just forgot how he shouted it in the PV Oh, haha, just some words, just some little cheap tricks... Just some cheap tricks? Hmm? Oh, these aren't JUST "some words Kengo shouted" These cheap tricks were dirty enough to take down the one called "100 Battles - No Defeat", the one who could always pull through. The scheme was far beyond foul play, trampling on the deepest ethics of his soul. These are "CHEAP TRICKS!!" This isn't some farce, or a ruse. THESE ARE CHEAP MOTHERFUCKING TRICKS$$$!! Oh okay sorry for misunderstanding that "Cheap tricks" scene but since I haven't played the VN I didn't know what that hype was all about. With your explaination you make me wish that time machines exists today so I could go to next week and watch episode 6. |
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| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75_dkomdYlg Anime only fan when this song plays.... Your fragile and happy days will be ripped right out. Also all you Anime only fan got baited by kyousuke & VN community cant believe 90% of you believed that "A Secret to this world" actually existed... Baited and manipulated by kyousuke tsk tsk tsk... I remember just like last week when a few people said ohh boy cant wait to learn about the secret of the world... Secret of the world = Kyousuke is a manipulative Cunt... And he gets.... VERY.... VERY... VERY ANGRY when things do not go his way. Remember the PV of Kyousuke getting hit? Remember all the Visual novel fans shouting CHEAP TRICK.... Actually now that I think about it will the song even be played( Since they had issues with Jun Maeda composing the soundtrack for Angel Beats because it would not fit into anime format)? |
planetarianNov 2, 2013 7:51 PM
Vladz0r said: -Riptide- said: Then why are everyone waiting for that if its just words Kengo shouted? Maybe I just forgot how he shouted it in the PV Oh, haha, just some words, just some little cheap tricks... Just some cheap tricks? Hmm? Oh, these aren't JUST "some words Kengo shouted" These cheap tricks were dirty enough to take down the one called "100 Battles - No Defeat", the one who could always pull through. The scheme was far beyond foul play, trampling on the deepest ethics of his soul. These are "CHEAP TRICKS!!" This isn't some farce, or a ruse. THESE ARE CHEAP MOTHERFUCKING TRICKS$$$!! THIS. FUCKING THIS^^ |
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planetarian said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75_dkomdYlg Anime only fan when this song plays.... Your fragile and happy days will be ripped right out. Also all you Anime only fan got baited by kyousuke & VN community cant believe 90% of you believe that "A Secret to this world" actually existed... Baited and manipulated by kyousuke tsk tsk tsk... I remember just like last week when a few people said ohh boy cant wait to learn about the secret of the world... Secret of the world = Kyousuke is a manipulative man... And he gets.... VERY.... VERY... VERY ANGRY when things do not go his way. Remember the PV of Kyousuke getting hit? Remember all the Visual novel fans shouting CHEAP TRICK.... Actually now that I think about it will the song even be played( Since they had issues with Jun Maeda composing the soundtrack for Angel Beats because it would not fit into anime format)? they are most likely gonna save it for *superspoiler* |
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planetarian said: *Episode 7. Refrain starts at episode 7, now. |
| Aww, so "A World Where Nothing Happened" was supposed to play during the scene at the end? I wish they had played it, it's one of my favorites from the OST. But oh my god, this episode was wonderful. Refrain is turning out to be really good. Holy shit, I can't wait for next week. |
| I must say if Refrain starts at seven they are going to cut a shitload of material in the next episode. This episode alone cut out four to six hours from the VN (IF I remember correctly). Mainly getting Rin to speak properly and be a good tour guide. I can just imagine how much is going to be cut next episode to basically start and finish Rin 2. As long as Refrain isn't screwed up I'll be okay, but I wish they could've gotten an extra three or four episodes in for this season. |
KeyIsLove said: This episode alone cut out four to six hours from the VN (IF I remember correctly). 4-6 hours? The entire Rin1+2 route takes like 2.5 hours, MAX to read. They cut content, but they didn't cut out 4-6 hours of content. They cut out maybe 30-40 minutes of content at the most. Hell, Refrain doesn't even take 6 hours to read and it's almost twice the length of Rin's entire route. They have quite a bit of content to fit next episode, but it's not impossible. They won't build up quite the same amount of tension that began to build up in Rin 2, but the sudden ending that Rin's route has may have all the more impact from how quick it happens. It could be like with Kurugaya's route, how Kurugaya's time seemed shortlived, or whatever. As for Refrain's pacing, 7 episodes is about 2.5 hours worth of content, and the route takes about 5 hours to read. Refrain will have the most episodes per amount of lines in the source material, and Jun Maeda packed Refrain with a lot of flashbacks, character observation details, self-reflection, etc. Examples of thoughts: //At that moment, I feel something on my head. //...A drop of water. //The rain quickly begins hammering on the ground. //Kyousuke's voice echoes through the sports ground. There are a lot of times when this happens, and they can be added as subtle character/environmental details in the anime. And again, I think the tour guide part was unnecessary, even if it was funny. Not sure why I keep posting all this stuff. I need to stay off the forums, but I like to add to the speculation. |
| Is this it? seriously i knew kysouke was the one pulling the strings all the way back in s1 and i have not looked at the VN's. where the hell does it go from here? |
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facade63 said: Is this it? seriously i knew kysouke was the one pulling the strings all the way back in s1 and i have not looked at the VN's. where the hell does it go from here? This is not even Refrain yet. Hold your horses. A good episode, cut out a whole bunch of content regarding practicing for the event, but well, the ending wasn't bad. Lots of foreshadowing the events to come. However, Oh, and screw CHEAP TRICKS! Called Game is when shit gets real. Don't listen to those CT fanboys. |
SleepingEntityNov 2, 2013 9:45 PM
| Hi people. After spending two damn hours of my life playing FIFA 14 (finally bought it yesterday, AFTER 1 MONTH WAITING), I decided to watch the episode. Ok chapter. but the scene of the inspection was fine. The rest of the episode was good, introducing the secret of the world and Refrain. IT´S COMING!!!!, I CAN´T STOP SAYING IT BUT... IT´S COMING!!!! It looks like the plot twist has left confused a lot of Anime-only viewers, and they´re making their own hypothesis about what´s happening... dat´s good. Bros, I´ll not say anything to spoil You, but If Refrain is well executed and it´s a sucess: ;D PS: |
TimeToRepentNov 2, 2013 10:04 PM
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SleepingEntity said: Oh, and screw CHEAP TRICKS! Called Game is when shit gets real. Don't listen to those CT fanboys. Is this Called Game the one Kyousuke said to Riki on ep 26 last season about the Little Busters? |
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-Riptide- said: SleepingEntity said: Oh, and screw CHEAP TRICKS! Called Game is when shit gets real. Don't listen to those CT fanboys. Is this Called Game the one Kyousuke said to Riki on ep 26 last season about the Little Busters? yeah, its on the same scene as cheap tricks |
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-Riptide- said: SleepingEntity said: Oh, and screw CHEAP TRICKS! Called Game is when shit gets real. Don't listen to those CT fanboys. Is this Called Game the one Kyousuke said to Riki on ep 26 last season about the Little Busters? Yup, you´re attentive. :) |
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SleepingEntity said: Oh, and screw CHEAP TRICKS! Called Game is when shit gets real. Don't listen to those CT fanboys. Kengo's rage and Kyousuke's "called game" go hand in hand, but Kengo's line comes first. The "cheap tricks" part is the whole reason that everything turns out the way it does, and they're what a good portion of Kengo's arc is about, and part of Kyousuke's. Anyway, here's the countdown for the simulcast: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131109T10&p0=198&msg=CHEAP+MOTHERFUCKING+TRICK%24%24 |
| Wish they slowed down on the part where Masato was called to the board and answered correctly~ XD Then THIS~ |
| Half breed part VN reader - part anime only watcher here, and this is an awesome episode. The "who" behind the secret of the world is obvious from season one, especially at the start of second season where they insert a "random" scene where Kyousuke said that he will "I will start a new, no matter how many times it takes" and the OP lyrics is basically a walking "1001 Little Busters Foreshadowing Parade". So, it's pretty much could be speculated that (No spoiler here, just some speculations that could be interpreted from all of the foreshadowing and symbolism from the anime. Could be a spoiler if turns out to be true) : And this episode also bring something that I think never happened in other Key works. Key works were always sad. But creepy? Dang, that last event is a pure FEEL. Bring the next episode NAO!!! EDIT : Please don't confirm this speculation lol, except if you're another anime-only viewers and want to speculate together with me. |
zeroyuki92Nov 2, 2013 10:48 PM
| I have a pretty big gallery of JC Staff's hints in the LB anime. It's near 200 pictures worth of foreshadows, and at LEAST 50% have been JC-Staff original foreshadowing. It's probably closer to 70%. I wrote explanations for the pics, though, so I won't post it yet. It's on the VN discussion, and I'll post the final gallery once the anime finishes. |
zeroyuki92 said: Half breed part VN reader - part anime only watcher here, and this is an awesome episode. The "who" behind the secret of the world is obvious from season one, especially at the start of second season where they insert some random scene where Kyousuke said that he will "I will start a new, no matter how many times it takes" and the OP lyrics is basically a walking "1001 Little Busters Foreshadowing Parade". So, it's pretty much could be speculated that (No spoiler here, just some speculations that could be interpreted from all of the foreshadowing and symbolism from the anime. Could be a spoiler if turns out to be true) : And this episode also bring something that I think never happened in other Key works. Key works were always sad. But creepy? Dang, that last event is a pure FEEL. Bring the next episode NAO!!! Hey here is a Secret to all Key Visual Novel/Anime (Except for Planetarian): Protag lives in the present working for future goals, while working towards said future goal during his present life his past is the future ( whether he knows it or not ) Basically all Key Visual Novels are the same... They plot it like this "Hey guys, what shall we do this time? choose one family, friends, mother relationship or a son trampling his mother as he walks out the door". |
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