Is KyoAni moe strategy having too big of an influence over the anime industry ?
| Considering Kyoto Animation is one of the biggest source of moe stuff, if not THE biggest, and also has a more than decent visibility: Do you think Kyoto Animation and its latest projects are the reason why some people, rightly or wrongly, consider there's a kind of moe invasion taking over the anime industry ? Don't forget, i'm trying to discuss the "influence" of Kyoani over the industry/anime studios, so please refrain from giving your opinion on Moe, K-on, etc ... I'm trying to understand if Kyoani wether opening the way or wether just following its own path. This is mostly in reaction to people explaining how Kyoani/moe is bringing down the whole industry, which is a statement i'm not really convinced by. Thank you for participating. |
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| KyoAni is tainting the anime industry by producing nothing but cute girls doing cute things. |
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| There is some influence, but not much, I think. |
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mitch3315 said: Yea, maybe, but you're not answering the question: regardless what Kyoani is doing and how they are doing it, has it that big of an influence over the rest of studios? Do you think Kyoani represents the anime industry?KyoAni is tainting the anime industry by producing nothing but cute girls doing cute things. |
| My list - "Let's share our lame sides" (Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou) |
Sh0wdown said: mitch3315 said: Yea, maybe, but you're not answering the question: regardless what Kyoani is doing and how they are doing it, has it that big of an influence over the rest of studios? Do you think Kyoani represents the anime industry?KyoAni is tainting the anime industry by producing nothing but cute girls doing cute things. No, it doesn't. KyoAni represents nothing more than the scapegoat for the moe hate. |
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| Kyoto what? who gives a fuck about whatever they are. Madhouse and Bones ftw |
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| First off, to say that "moe is destroying the industry" is pretty baseless. The simple fact that moe sells would indicate just the opposite: moe is what keeping the industry alive in a certain sense. People who make such arguments equate "more moe is coming out and less of what I like" with "therefore, the industry is dying." Essentially, that argument boils down to "there aren't as many shows that I want to watch." Also, when most people say "moe shows" or just moe in general, they are usually referring to the so called moeblob shows and whatnot. For anyone who's actually watched all of their shows, KyoAni only has two shows that some would consider moeblobs (K-On! and Tamako Market). Indeed, their shows have different flares of a moe art style in them, but they're not "moe shows" in that sense. KyoAni is following their own path. The fact that their biggest moe hits like K-On!, Lucky Star, and Haruhi were such big hits boils down to the fact that they were solidly produced and had what its target fanbase wanted. Why is it that you think that the majority of moe shows coming out barely sell anything and usually barely break even if not barely make a tiny profit? Some studios try to make an easy buck by using moe tropes that have been done a million times before and people don't buy into it. If you're of the opinion that all moe is the same, then you are sorely mistaken. Just because KyoAni has produced a handful (literally, a small handful) of moe-esque shows over the past decade or so does not mean that it has inspired other studios to do the same, especially when they more often than not lost money doing it. So no, I don't think that KyoAni has had an influence on the types of shows coming out. Perhaps after KyoAni's first big hits, but now that it's been many, many years since, such an argument is negligible. They've taken risks and expanded int different genres: mystery, gag comedy, romance, sci-fi, sports, and now dark fantasy. Yes, they all have a moe type art style to them, but tell me any other studio that's been influenced to use moe in such varied genres as those as opposed to the oft quoted "cute girls simply doing cute things." yhunata said: I have a feeling that mitch was joking when he said that.Sh0wdown said: mitch3315 said: Yea, maybe, but you're not answering the question: regardless what Kyoani is doing and how they are doing it, has it that big of an influence over the rest of studios? Do you think Kyoani represents the anime industry?KyoAni is tainting the anime industry by producing nothing but cute girls doing cute things. No, it doesn't. KyoAni represents nothing more than the scapegoat for the moe hate. Anyhow, yhunata just hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what KyoAni's position within the moe hate argument is: the scapegoat, simply because they're known for making shows with what an art style that most people describe as moe. As such, they're an easy target. |
AndyRayyAug 6, 2013 4:59 AM
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| They are an overrated studio. Goryo said: Madhouse and Bones ftw |
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| KyoAni is slowly fading into obscurity. |
AndyRayy said: I have a feeling that mitch was joking when he said that. Yeah, I figured my joke was pretty obvious considering Free! is airing right now. |
mitch3315Aug 6, 2013 6:01 AM
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| I don't think it has that big of an influence, cute girls doing cute things existed before K-on, their stuff usually just sells more. |
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| For impacting the industry... Outside of Haruhi and Lucky Star, I say they're more like.. "We know what people will like" not. "We'll make a big breakthrough and shock Japan" I wouldn't say their impact is big, they're just good at producing well receive titles. SteampunkDalek said: KyoAni is slowly fading into obscurity. While they're not as strong as mid~late 2000's decade... I wouldn't say they're fading into obscurity EDIT: OH CRAP! I FORGOT ABOUT K-ON! Nvm, their influence is GODLY! |
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Sourire said: They are an overrated studio. Goryo said: Madhouse and Bones ftw |
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| To be honest, I never considered K-ON! as something that was moe, I watched it because it was funny and had a happy atmosphere to it. |
| Kyoani are the gods of anime. Saving the industry from extinction. |
| They made Haruhi, Lucky Star, and K-ON! Is there anything more that needs to be said? |
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Shuhan said: Kyoani are the gods of anime. Saving the industry from extinction. Hahaha, good one. |
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mitch3315 said: KyoAni is tainting the anime industry by producing nothing but cute girls doing cute things. And actually selling well by selling nothing but that. |
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sushi55 said: mitch3315 said: KyoAni is tainting the anime industry by producing nothing but cute girls doing cute things. And actually selling well by selling nothing but that. Free! is predicted to sell second highest at 14k and it's not cute girls doing cute things. inb4 Anguished quotes me saying gay swimming |
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tsudecimo said: yhunata said: sushi55 said: mitch3315 said: KyoAni is tainting the anime industry by producing nothing but cute girls doing cute things. And actually selling well by selling nothing but that. Free! is predicted to sell second highest at 14k and it's not cute girls doing cute things. inb4 Anguished quotes me saying gay swimming Cute guys doing cute things. It is all the same shit. Whoops I forgot, there is actually manservice. They aren't even cute though.  Now there's a cute guy playing cute tennis. |
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| there is no influence,besides the gorgeous animation all the shows coming from kyotoani are bad.full metal panic was good and that's it.I wanted hyouka to be good too but meh |
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renders said: there is no influence,besides the gorgeous animation all the shows coming from kyotoani are bad.full metal panic was good and that's it.I wanted hyouka to be good too but meh You forgot the "in my opinion" part. |
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yhunata said: sushi55 said: mitch3315 said: KyoAni is tainting the anime industry by producing nothing but cute girls doing cute things. And actually selling well by selling nothing but that. Free! is predicted to sell second highest at 14k and it's not cute girls doing cute things. inb4 Anguished quotes me saying gay swimming tsudecimo said: Cute guys doing cute things. Oh, and it's Leapling. |
AnguishedAug 6, 2013 8:47 AM
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| Whenever one likes their titles or not KyoAni changed the look of "moe" and the mere fact that many try to imitate the "look" is actually saying a lot. |
Anguished said: yhunata said: sushi55 said: mitch3315 said: KyoAni is tainting the anime industry by producing nothing but cute girls doing cute things. And actually selling well by selling nothing but that. Free! is predicted to sell second highest at 14k and it's not cute girls doing cute things. inb4 Anguished quotes me saying gay swimming tsudecimo said: Cute guys doing cute things. Oh, and it's Leapling. Yeah, I know it's you. Your name "Anguished" pretty much gives it away. |
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| There are a lot of stupid and shitty anime around there, therefore, there is a big influence. |
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rederoin said: mitch3315 said: Now there's a cute guy playing cute tennis. That series was a government conspiracy to lower the birth rate by turnings anime fans into gay men. Most of the viewers in Japan are women and a lot of the women watching this don't date or have sex. |
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| I don't know the size of their influence when it comes to anime industry but all I know is it can be felt. They have produced some of the most popular titles so I think KyoAni is an important player in the anime industry. You could say that KyoAni is the dark horse of anime production competition. |
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skudoops said: HyoukaI don't think I've watched a show by them yet. |
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skudoops said: I don't think I've watched a show by them yet. Hyouka. Ninjad. |
Shuhan said: A friend of mine told me something similar at school once. I was laughing so hard, I started crying.Kyoani are the gods of anime. Saving the industry from extinction. |
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| i dont think they necessarily have made that big a impact. they can arguably be accounted for adding fire to the moe craze but so did many other animation companies at the same time kyo ani started really getting associated with the cutsy look. I would say the show haruhi suzumiya has greatly affected the slice of life genre for better or for worse but aside from that they really havent had much impact, especially since haruhi was already a popular novel prior to the anime, its just the anime got more popularity to it. so yah they have made a impact, but not much |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| They basically made moe more popular than it was, and the "cute people doing cute things" sh*t is getting old. |
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Rinshansan said: MEanimaniac1 said: They basically made moe more popular than it was, and the "cute people doing cute things" sh*t is getting old. Moe has been popular since the 1960s. And "cute people doing cute things" has been around for decades. That's why I said more. |
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| Well, thank you all for your participation. It's not that easy to talk about Kyoani and make things clear, especially because you can hear absolutely everything about the studio. Some love it, others hate it so hard, some say they are rocking the charts, others explain they are going downhill, etc ... Was not easy to write a consistent poll about it ;) |
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MEanimaniac1 said: There has been no change in its popularity. It's just taken on a different form. I've seen some stuff on the Internet from about 10 years ago where one of the hot topics was how this new 'kawaii' craze is destroying the industry. Which people responded by saying it had been around for years already.Rinshansan said: MEanimaniac1 said: They basically made moe more popular than it was, and the "cute people doing cute things" sh*t is getting old. Moe has been popular since the 1960s. And "cute people doing cute things" has been around for decades. That's why I said more. |
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MEanimaniac1 said: Rinshansan said: MEanimaniac1 said: They basically made moe more popular than it was, and the "cute people doing cute things" sh*t is getting old. Moe has been popular since the 1960s. And "cute people doing cute things" has been around for decades. That's why I said more. What do you mean by 'moe'? 'cutesy' shows have been common for a really long time now. Unless you're talking about about a specific type of 'cutesy' show, you're wrong. Kyoani didn't really increase the popularity of anything, as far as I can tell. Its impressive how they made the 2 best selling CGDCT show of all time, but I haven´t really noticed an increase of CGDCT shows because of it. |
rederoinAug 7, 2013 11:11 AM
| 1960's, nah Moe hasn't been around that long but it has existed for decades (since the 80's to be exact) |
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