| I can see why RWBY most likely wouldn't be considered as an entry on MyAnimeList, but the creater(Monty Oum) is himself calling it an anime, so I was wondering if it was going to get added or not? |
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| Nope. I don't think it'll be added here. |
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| Only if we add Call of Duty as well. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| RWBY at the very least is considered as "anime-style". That should be good enough. Battlechili1 said: By MAL standards, I believe it won't be added since its not made in Japan or Korea or a place like that. Not sure where it was made, but pretty sure it wasn't Japanese. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/features/9829-Can-Americans-Make-Anime Enjoy some reading. The anime from Japan only concept is not absolute; and it is subject to question. |
| Click on this. I dare you. | MAL Fantasy Football League | Currently Watching List RWBY Club. RWBY is anime. Deal with it. |
KyuuAL said: The anime from Japan only concept is not absolute; and it is subject to question. And it's irrelevant because this isn't about what a user believes nor is something up for debate - it's about what the site's official guidelines are. It's not an issue of opinion or knowing a topic or not. Why do people continually bring up arguments for why x or y should count as an anime in these threads? This is not about how you feel or how anyone else feels - the rules are there, the guidelines are there. It doesn't matter what your opinion is. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: This is not about how you feel or how anyone else feels - the rules are there, the guidelines are there. It doesn't matter what your opinion is. Well, then. These guidelines need to be changed in order to make room for American anime. |
| Click on this. I dare you. | MAL Fantasy Football League | Currently Watching List RWBY Club. RWBY is anime. Deal with it. |
KyuuAL said: TallonKarrde23 said: This is not about how you feel or how anyone else feels - the rules are there, the guidelines are there. It doesn't matter what your opinion is. Well, then. These guidelines need to be changed in order to make room for American anime. Except it's american cartoons. Anime is japanese. And tbh, I'd rather acknowledge Avatar being closer to anime than THAT. |
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| I'd chime in and say that it's American, produced by Americans, written by Americans, voice-acted by Americans, in America, but KyuuAL would probably spout more of his "revolution" bullshit if I said that. Oh wait, I did. |
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| While you're at it add Avatar to the DB too. |
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| Why can't we just respect what the creator of the site intended the site to be, for listing cartoons originating from Japan. Sometimes I think people are trying to expand the meaning of anime too much. Isn't there some other site where you can add these titles? |
Haifuuko said: Wow, had to kill it. Should've said Jackie Chan Adventures or Samurai Jack.Unit-01 said: While you're at it add Avatar to the DB too. And Phineas And Ferb |
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| It honestly shocks me how so many anime fans are against anime-styled animation that is not Japanese in origin. You would think as fans they would embrace the idea of their favorite style becoming more of a globally accepted form of animation rather then trying to impede its growth internationally. It just seems foolish to dismiss the work of great writers and animators around the world because of they are not a certain ethnicity. That being said, I could totally get behind adding RWBY to the database. But of course, not my website, not my rules. |
| Just because a guy who's really good at what he does proclaims that his show is an anime doesn't mean it is. That's like me saying, I created this:  and saying it's an anime, therefore, it should be added to the DB. As said, your opinion doesn't matter, it's all in the hands of the creators/mods. Although, even then I'm not sure if it would even pass, as manga/manwha web comics are not recognized by the DB unless they are actually published, as far as I know, RWBY is a web-series, but I'm not sure if the same rules apply to shows. Anyways, the guidelines specifically state as to why RWBY cannot be added, and this is something that has constantly been talked about for years now and nothing has changed. |
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| One one hand, I'd say that RWBY is only "anime-esque". But on the other hand, elitists, weaboos, Japanophiles, xenophobes, and retards in general... Eh. Might as well add it. |
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GoldenBRS said: What is RWBY? Don't know what's that, but no. Rooster Teeth. This is one of the trailers: Based on the number of views, quite popular. |
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Se7en360 said: Just because someone doesn't think it's anime, doesn't mean that they are against it. It might have nothing to do with dismissal. Some people just define anime as animation from Japan and not a particular style of animation. It honestly shocks me how so many anime fans are against anime-styled animation that is not Japanese in origin. You would think as fans they would embrace the idea of their favorite style becoming more of a globally accepted form of animation rather then trying to impede its growth internationally. It just seems foolish to dismiss the work of great writers and animators around the world because of they are not a certain ethnicity. That being said, I could totally get behind adding RWBY to the database. But of course, not my website, not my rules. Perhaps someone should coin a term that refers to anime-esk animation that is not from Japan. |
JoshJul 23, 2013 1:29 PM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Araby said: Se7en360 said: Just because someone doesn't think it's anime, doesn't mean that they are against it. It might have nothing to do with dismissal. Some people just define anime as animation from Japan and not a particular style of animation. It honestly shocks me how so many anime fans are against anime-styled animation that is not Japanese in origin. You would think as fans they would embrace the idea of their favorite style becoming more of a globally accepted form of animation rather then trying to impede its growth internationally. It just seems foolish to dismiss the work of great writers and animators around the world because of they are not a certain ethnicity. That being said, I could totally get behind adding RWBY to the database. But of course, not my website, not my rules. That's exactly why we have claymation in the DB like Bloody Date and Doggy Poo. It's not the first thing that comes to your mind when when someone says anime but it's anime none-the-less. It's a difficult slope because with RWBY's animation, what's not to say that the hundreds of MMD modified animations out there shouldn't be in the database too? I've seen ones with much better quality than RWBY and ones with worser quality. BUT, they all have animuu girls. I did like this person's post about what 'style' is and how many people use it to define anime--which is a medium. Araby said: Perhaps someone should coin a term that refers to anime-esk animation that is not from Japan. Well, "animesque" is currently used. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Animesque To describe modern animation that looks like the majority of modern anime. Dunno how that would work 20 years down the road when the style will change again. I mean, we barely see Tezuka styled anime or Fist of the North Star style anime anymore. It's a very fluid medium. I personally prefer 'animuu' from it's tongue-in-cheek way to describe anime-wannabees. I use this to describe Avatar and Code Lyoko. There is also 'fanime' which is anime made by fans. This has taken over the negative connotation which animuu used to carry. I use this to describe Large Bagel and Neko Sugar Girls. Of course back on the East Asia side that would called doujinshi. |
| RWBY looks so bad, man. |
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| From here: RWBY (19545): American production RWBY (19549): American production RWBY (19551): American production |
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| We should add Totally Spies and Teen Titans while we're at it. Se7en360 said: It honestly shocks me how so many anime fans are against anime-styled animation that is not Japanese in origin. You would think as fans they would embrace the idea of their favorite style becoming more of a globally accepted form of animation rather then trying to impede its growth internationally. It just seems foolish to dismiss the work of great writers and animators around the world because of they are not a certain ethnicity. Why is that? o_O It's because I'm an anime fan that I have standards to begin with.. that's why I watch anime because it does stuff no other country does with animation. Just because a show like Totally Spies or Avatar rips off the style and tries to say it's anime doesn't mean it succeeds. Llittle kids on DeviantArt say totally Spies is so sexy and hot and fanservicy but then I watch it and they can't even draw a single line of cleavage and there's nothing hot about it at all and I wonder how the heck it's fanservice. Then I see Avatar get called shounen anime so I watch it and get a show where no one can actually hurt each other and the writing is so simplistic and the violence is kiddy slap fights. It's because we're anime fans there's were critical of animation to begin with. These shows don't show global acception of animation being more than just for kids shows.. because these are kids shows true and true and are no different than other stuff aside from they throw in some cheap chibis and sweat drops because they're trying to cash in on the anime boom. Not until you see 40 shows a season of varying genres and age groups out of America like we do out of Japan each season can we really have this discussion. Because praising and saying Totally Spies or Avatar is 'good enough' just means they'll make more stuff like it and not push it beyond the kiddy limits which is the entire problem with them in the first place. |
Jamie_EstevezJul 24, 2013 4:37 AM
tsubasalover said: From here: RWBY (19545): American production RWBY (19549): American production RWBY (19551): American production QFT |
Se7en360 said: It honestly shocks me how so many anime fans are against anime-styled animation that is not Japanese in origin. You would think as fans they would embrace the idea of their favorite style becoming more of a globally accepted form of animation rather then trying to impede its growth internationally. To be honest, I'm not surprised at all to the reaction. It's the same exact reaction, when I first dealt with it over at AnimeNewsNetwork and a few other anime-related communities. But anyways: 1. It's change. A lot of people hate change (even me). 2. Japanese animation produces a plethora of -- very very sexy characters. Unfortunately, American animation does not. 3. "Anime from Japan" is a status quo, that people like. 4. There is no set "definition" or standard for "style". A style definition exists, but there is no set criteria as to what that style is. 5. Some treat the "anime from Japan" concept, similar to that of religious zeal. Hence the argument: "anime is from Japan only", end of discussion and don't even dare question the definition. 6. When anime was "new", in some parts of America, people were hazed and picked on for liking anime. This is especially true in rural areas. 7. Out of all the cultures in the world, Japan is the most unique and most exposed among unique cultures. There are plenty of other unique cultures, but they do not attract people as Japan does. Hence the term: "Japanophilia". 8. There are not a lot of animation to be even considered to be anime, where as the number of anime series is well well into the thousands by now. 9. For a long time (and still ongoing), there is a push to change the American view, that "animation is for children". Obviously, with anime, that is certainly not the case. The prospect of "American anime" threatens that notion and may actually reinforce to notion of anime geared for children. 10. Finally, many simply have not warmed up to the idea of "American anime". Those who view anime as a "style" represents a very small minority. I can keep going, but this is a good list of reasons. Some of this is based on my observation to people's reaction towards my arguments. Others, I am merely using my imagination to answer the question: "Why are people against anime viewed as a 'style'?" Those opposing "anime-styled animation that is not Japanese in origin" can be summed up according to two views: 1. Anime is defined as a Japanese product only. 2. There is no such thing as the "anime-style". There's probably a third reason that I can come up with. However, I will not bring that up just yet. |
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| i can see why so many people are against it but maybe the over half needs a chance to have a go at making some good anime and not stuff like the big bang theory. even montey oum sead "it's that rwby is anime" now i know most of it is created by Americans but 1 or two is Japanese so should we really call it american cartoon even tho the Japanese culture was involved |
nightasuna said: i can see why so many people are against it but maybe the over half needs a chance to have a go at making some good anime and not stuff like the big bang theory. even montey oum sead "it's that rwby is anime" now i know most of it is created by Americans but 1 or two is Japanese so should we really call it american cartoon even tho the Japanese culture was involved just saw episode 2 5 FU***** MINUTES LONG WITH OUT A FULL OP AND ED DX. thats it i officially hate rooster teeth 1 full week for 5 FU*****MINUTES. f*** em ll keep watching but hate on rooster teeth. RWBY IS NOT EVEN AS GOOD AS AIR D_X |
| That'd be nice, but it's not likely to happen of course. Anime means Japanese animation, as far as MAL is concerned. |
JD2411 said: Anime = cartoons from Japan RWBY = A cartoon from America RWBY ≠ anime therefore it won't be put on an anime listing website rwby is bound to drag intact its already started so it wouldn't be a good idea rwby is ruined by rooster teeth its not that its american that is the problem its he company that makes rwby tats the problem |
epicscreator said: That'd be nice, but it's not likely to happen of course. Anime means Japanese animation, as far as MAL is concerned. It also means Chinese animation http://myanimelist.net/anime/5496/Storm_Rider:_Clash_of_the_Evils and Korean animation http://myanimelist.net/anime/2884/Aachi_wa_Ssipak as far as MAL is concerned. |
lanblade said: epicscreator said: That'd be nice, but it's not likely to happen of course. Anime means Japanese animation, as far as MAL is concerned. It also means Chinese animation http://myanimelist.net/anime/5496/Storm_Rider:_Clash_of_the_Evils and Korean animation http://myanimelist.net/anime/2884/Aachi_wa_Ssipak as far as MAL is concerned. Well, I guess MAL is biased against western animation, then. |
epicscreator said: lanblade said: epicscreator said: That'd be nice, but it's not likely to happen of course. Anime means Japanese animation, as far as MAL is concerned. It also means Chinese animation http://myanimelist.net/anime/5496/Storm_Rider:_Clash_of_the_Evils and Korean animation http://myanimelist.net/anime/2884/Aachi_wa_Ssipak as far as MAL is concerned. Well, I guess MAL is biased against western animation, then. Oh the inconsistency. |
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worldeditor11 said: No. I'll go with this. |
| I get that it's okay to call such works as being anime-inspired, but it's ridiculous if you think it should be added to the DB just because it adopts the style and ideas employed in anime (well-executed or not). MAL only focuses on collating Japanese animation. No more, no less (and before you say I hate cartoons that employ anime-inspired styles, I'll have you know that I very much enjoy Avatar). |
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ronri said: MAL only focuses on collating Japanese animation. Apparently, that notion is actually false. lanblade said: epicscreator said: That'd be nice, but it's not likely to happen of course. Anime means Japanese animation, as far as MAL is concerned. It also means Chinese animation http://myanimelist.net/anime/5496/Storm_Rider:_Clash_of_the_Evils and Korean animation http://myanimelist.net/anime/2884/Aachi_wa_Ssipak as far as MAL is concerned. Perhaps, "anime" should refer to "Asian animation". Lol |
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KyuuAL said: ronri said: MAL only focuses on collating Japanese animation. Apparently, that notion is actually false. (.............) Perhaps, "anime" should refer to "Asian animation". Lol I was gonna change my post having recognized that but it seems you replied faster, but the fact that you essentially answered your own question anyway means that you already recognize the idea behind this site. Instead of debating about what constitutes as "anime", you should put forth an argument as to WHY you think such works should be included under the guidelines for MAL and why it should be distinguished from shows such as Spongebob (be it in its methodology, creative process etc.) Having something that only seems "anime-inspired" or labeled as "anime" based on similar styles doesn't make much sense considering how anime is a generalized term to describe Japanese animation by Western media. When you factor how anime doesn't just cover one general style and how much it encapsulates a broad range, you're pretty much treading on dangerous ground here considering how you might as well throw in other American cartoons in that regard. The fact that Japan considers even Pixar works as "anime" shows how much the term is often used to reference animation as a whole and how in Western culture, the term is only really used to distinguish Japanese animation. |
ronri said: I was gonna change my post having recognized that but it seems you replied faster, but the fact that you essentially answered your own question anyway means that you already recognize the idea behind this site. I've known long before your Join Date. :p Regardless, I disagree on absolutely closing the doors on American made anime. That's especially now if Chinese and explicitly Korean made anime are currently included in the DB. The term anime as we refer is based on the concept that, "we know what anime is when we see it", but it's hard to describe. In fact, the "style view" is about as definite as "moe". And now, I learn about this software package (just a couple hours ago): http://anime.smithmicro.com/ This is a US based company making software, and labeling it as "Anime Studio", with the intent on people amateurs produce animations of their own. By any chance would you see something wrong with that? If yes, well, too bad. That's the software's official name. |
| Click on this. I dare you. | MAL Fantasy Football League | Currently Watching List RWBY Club. RWBY is anime. Deal with it. |
KyuuAL said: ronri said: I was gonna change my post having recognized that but it seems you replied faster, but the fact that you essentially answered your own question anyway means that you already recognize the idea behind this site. I've known long before your Join Date. No one cares. KyuuAL said: Regardless, I disagree on absolutely closing the doors on American made anime. That's especially now if Chinese and explicitly Korean made anime are currently included in the DB. The term anime as we refer is based on the concept that, "we know what anime is when we see it", but it's hard to describe. In fact, it's about as definite as "moe". And now, I learn about this software package (just a couple hours ago): http://anime.smithmicro.com/ This is a US based company making software, and labeling it as "Anime Studio", with the intent on people amateurs produce animations of their own. By any chance would you see something wrong with that? If yes, well, too bad. That's the software's official name. You didn't write anything regarding my suggestion, which in no doubt would've strengthened your argument had you actually managed to give a proper argument for your case, so now you just end up running in circles with your point here (doesn't help especially how you're essentially saying "I know what anime is but it's hard to describe, but people should still get what I mean m'kay"). |
ronriJul 25, 2013 9:45 PM
ronri said: That's basically all that he does.You didn't write anything regarding my suggestion, which in no doubt would've strengthened your argument had you actually managed to give a proper argument for your case, so now you just end up running in circles with your point here (doesn't help especially how you're essentially saying "I know what anime is but it's hard to describe, but people should still get what I mean m'kay"). |
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IntroverTurtle said: ronri said: That's basically all that he does.You didn't write anything regarding my suggestion, which in no doubt would've strengthened your argument had you actually managed to give a proper argument for your case, so now you just end up running in circles with your point here (doesn't help especially how you're essentially saying "I know what anime is but it's hard to describe, but people should still get what I mean m'kay"). I've done more than that. However, I'm not telling you where. That part is a secret. Now, don't go crazy over that secret, like those people who wanted Obama's birth certificate. :p ronri said: You didn't answer my suggestion, which in doubt would've strengthened your argument had you actually managed to give a proper argument for your case, so really you're just running in circles with your point here (especially how you're essentially saying "I know what anime is but it's hard to describe"). I already answered your question -- with that. But I'm sorry that it's not good enough. If you want a more detailed answer, I'm no expert. Hell, I am limited to drawing stick figures -- or the fox in my avatar. If I were to decide to take up on "drawing anime style", guess where I would turn to? Cartooning lessons? No, I'd look up articles on "drawing anime style". And guess what? There's plenty of instructional material on how to do that. Plus, many of those sources are written up by Westerners. If you think Westerners are not qualified to teach how to draw manga or anime-style, you should tell these people. As far as RWBY characters are concerned, they have the same design elements geared towards anime character design. Notably, eye, hair, colorization, head-to-body proportion, facial expressions, etc. On top of that, the RWBY girls are "moe". |
KyuuALJul 25, 2013 9:53 PM
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| They're not talking about style. They're talking about country of origin. >> Kinda like how we don't lump OEL with regular manga, because OEL didn't originate in Japan. The term "anime" for English speakers refers to animation from Japan, not animation with big eyes and shiny hair. |
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