Spotlight Character: C.C. (Code Geass) MAL Character Information Page: C.C. MAL Favorite Character: #11 (with 1673 favorites) For the next week I would like to have everyone familiar with C.C. discuss what they think makes her an exceptional character. What attributes make her stand out in the ocean of interesting characters that exist in the realms of anime and manga. Unlike the other two subjects I will not force this conversation to fall into any set structure. Characters that are nominated typically get here because they are adept at breaking the existing character molds and defying definition. Because of this freedom I encourage everyone to do their very best to stay on topic and keep any and all debate civil. Have fun and I look forward to seeing what everyone has to say about this character. RESULTS OF THE "YOU DECIDE" POLL C.C. did NOT get inducted into the club Character list: 21 Yes - 20.79% 63 No - 62.38% 17 Not Familiar with Character - 16.83% |
BlackMagicDec 15, 2008 4:33 PM
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| Please be warned that this analysis contains spoilers of both Code Geass seasons. Also, if some of you are not certain about C.C. being a worthy character and have yet to finish both seasons, please consider "I Don't Know" instead of a "No" vote. For myself, this is a no brainer for a "Yes" vote. C.C. is currently my #1 favorite character among others in anime and very likely will remain that way for many years. Although saying C.C. is my #1 favorite character would be nothing, unless I can provide many reasons to support my position. Ever since C.C. was introduced as a character, she brings so many good areas of quality that clearly breaks her away from the typical neglect-feeling character. I will go ahead and present you many points on C.C. herself. Whenever you watch a series like Code Geass, C.C. is a character that brings alot of attention in making us think about her. This scenario really draws us into asking questions on who is C.C. or how she doesn't die from the very first episode. C.C. is what you consider a mysterious, controversal, and complex character which makes her alluring towards the audience. Because many of us have the willingness to find out answers about C.C., this never ceases to lose momentum throughtout the Code Geass series. To me, if C.C. was introduced in any other series besides Code Geass she will bring the same alluring attention towards its audience. Some of the mysteries that come from C.C. would involve finding out what her real name is and how she sometimes speaks to an anonymous individual when alone. -You can also add the fact that C.C. brings an unique assortment of clothing, that certainly never brings any low moments from the fanservice perspective. In our eyes, you can say it highlights the beauty and classy image coming from C.C.  -It is quite something to see C.C. wear different types of clothing, especially when it comes to this funny little outfit. XD  -While I usually like seeing her traditional white outfit, I thought this dark outfit she worn was a nice touch in the second season. Early in the series, it is very easy to know that C.C. can sometimes be a bitch towards others in Code Geass. However ever since knowing that area of her character, I never felt any down moments based on that result. Instead, C.C. usually brings out a good flow of chemistry on whatever she says which provides something very refreshing from the stereotype bitchy female characters we often see in anime. Personally when it comes to listening to her sentences, I would usually get a few laughs or receive her full attention because you may never know what she expects to say. The biggest highlight we often notice from C.C.'s personality is how she displays her sarcasm when talking towards others, especially towards Lelouch. For myself, I really treasure C.C.'s sarcasm because it is an entertaining aspect that I find very rare from typical neglect-feeling characters. Also, it really helps for a character to be creative with their words and C.C. often hits her mark in several scenes. On Episode 5 of the first season, C.C. wanted to ask Lelouch a question on the "Suzaku Kururugi" incident that happened last episode: C.C.: "Hey, in the end, what did 'orange' mean?" Lelouch: *hmph* C.C.: "What?" Lelouch: "You won't answer anyone's questions at all, but you'll ask me questions, huh?" C.C.: "If you don't want to answer me, then you don't have to. Just like me." Somehow I find it very convenient and funny on how she says the obvious phrase "just like me" to respond back to Lelouch. Another good example involving C.C.'s sarcasm results from the first season finale of Code Geass: Lelouch: "C.C., do not die." C.C.: (smirks) "Who do you think you're talking to?" Lelouch: (smirks and puts on Zero helmet) "You're right." Very funny moment for me personally and something I enjoy when it comes to knowing her usual personality. XD Sometimes during the Code Geass series, the relationship between Lelouch and C.C. is often interesting to witness because they often display sarcasm towards one another. On the second episode of the second season, this scene happens after Lelouch was successful using his Geass to retrieve a Nightmare from a soldier: C.C.: "Your Geass shouldn't work unless you look your target straight in the eye..." Lelouch: "I don't want to hear that from an immortal witch." C.C.: Hmph. (smirks)  -I thought this screenshot was effective on how C.C. took the sarcasm as a joke from Lelouch. XD The creators of Code Geass really did a great job with this screenshot of her. I would also like to point out that C.C. does well interacting with other characters in the Code Geass series besides Lelouch. One character that always seems to become a fool from C.C.'s interactions is Shinichiro Tamaki:  One scene I particularly enjoy is Episode 19 in Season 1. This is where the Order of the Black Knights discuss about getting Zero(Lelouch) and Kallen back. Diethard and Toudou get in a bit of an argument over the situation until C.C. suddenly interrupts the discussion: C.C.: "It can't be helped. I'll tell you. That fellow (Zero) is still alive." Toudou: "We have no time to listen to your hopes." C.C.: "It's confirmed information. I know it." Tamaki: "Are you a prophet? More importantly, didn't I tell you to practice controlling a KnightMare? You dumbass." C.C.: (gives a bit of glare with her eyes) "Dumbass? It's been a while since someone talked to me in that manner." Tamaki: "What's up with you acting arrogant? You're just Zero's lover." C.C.: "I've already told you I'm not, all right? A guy who's only full of sexual thoughts." Tamaki: "I'm saying that you're acting impolite to the executive committee." Ohgi: "Please wait! You're going off-topic! Anyway, let's do this for now. We will move to a safe sea region just outside of Britannia's surveillance range. We will wait till tomorrow and put all of our efforts into organizing a big search. Along with a time limit..." Toudou: "All right." Diethard: "There's no choice then." (C.C. walks out of the area; talking to Marianne)  C.C.: "God damn it, it's all because of your pranks that I have to argue with a boring man. Kallen is on the island as well? What bad taste, pretending to be an observer." This was one scene that did highlight how C.C. doesn't trust humans much, but I thought it was funny how creative her words were while interacting with Tamaki. Another great scene that involves C.C. making Tamaki look like a fool is Episode 10 from the second season. C.C. discusses with Zero(Lelouch) about Kaguya Sumeragi's effort to convince Empress Tianzi to assist the Order of the Black Knights: C.C.: "Is that okay? To let Kaguya talk her into this?" Zero: "She's apparently not the type that can be convinced through logic." C.C.: "Not your type?" Zero: "It's just hard to analyze her..." Tamaki: "Hey, Zero. You haven't decided on my position yet? I'm like, not even anything right now. Let me be the minister of finance or the secretary of financial services or something." C.C.: "Tamaki's the chancellor of the realm for banquets." Tamaki: "Hey, I told you to quit joking about me like that!" C.C. also provided some interesting interactions when it comes to conversating with ace pilot Kallen Stadtfeld. While some conversations involve the Black Knights or Lelouch, C.C. usually has her moments with Kallen in a few funny scenes:  Here is one funny scene that came from Episode 3 in Code Geass' second season. C.C. is currently talking with the Chinese Federation Consulate General until Kallen suddenly interrupts the meeting covered only with a bath towel: Chinese Federation Consulate General: "We have delayed the negotiations for handing you over to Britannia. I believe it'll buy us one week of time." C.C.: "I shall inform Zero. That aside, the Chinese Federation Government-" Kallen: "C.C.! Now that I think of it, wouldn't it have been faster if you were the bunny girl?!" (suddenly notices the Consulate General and Li Xingke then screams and hides behind glass wall) Chinese Federation Consulate General: "Zero... is a woman?" C.C.: "Indeed." Kallen: "I am not!" C.C.: "You revealed it much too fast. Such a bad sport, girl." Kallen: "Don't use Zero for fun." (towel slipping) C.C.: "We can see." (Kallen holds towel and hides behind glass wall again) :lol: Besides having interesting and funny interactions with other characters C.C. is also very skillful in doing several areas such as being an good pilot, but I guess when it comes to living a long time you can be skillful in a lot of things. :lol: I also thought it was pretty creative to see C.C. being disguise as Zero a couple of times during the Code Geass series.  During Episode 3 of the second season, this was a pretty funny scene but it also highlights how clever C.C. was assuming the role of Zero. While Lelouch did had his voice recorded, C.C. still had to do a very difficult job in taking Zero's place such as using the correct hand gestures: (Kallen notices Zero coming in) Kallen: "This is quite a commotion we created, isn't it, Lelouch?" C.C.: "Of course. A country has suddenly been formed inside their territory. (takes off Zero helmet) And that country has declared war on them. What is it?" Kallen: "When did you two switch?" C.C.: "Before the speech." Kallen: "Huh? But..." C.C.: "The voice was pre-recorded. He was no longer there when 'he' showed up, like a magic show." Kallen: "I don't like this, going so far as to hide this from us." C.C.: " 'Us'? You mean... 'me', don't you?" Of course, C.C. also displays a strong base of knowledge which I think is the appropriate trait for an immortal character to have. Sometimes C.C. may always say something simple and little, but the feeling shows an eloquence from her character: Here is one scene from Episode 9 of the first season. C.C. discusses in her thoughts while Kallen runs to her mother: C.C.: "False tears are capable of hurting other people. False smiles are capable of hurting one's self." Another scene is from Episode 10 of the first season when Lelouch notice C.C. near the cabin: Lelouch: "C.C., what are you doing here?" C.C.: "Didn't I tell you that I would protect you?" Lelouch: "Pretending to be a guardian..." C.C.: "Lelouch, why are you Lelouch?" Lelouch: "I don't have time to discuss philosophy with you." C.C.: "You changed your family name to Lamperouge, but you left your first name as Lelouch. How naive. Unable to give up the past." Lelouch: "If that's so, your 'C.C.' is weird too. It's not even a human name." C.C.: "Lelouch... Do you know why the snow is white? Because it forgot what color it is." However it is not just her simplistic sayings that bring out a hint of her knowledge, there are other times she has to give out a few long descriptions. Among a few scenes, C.C. can often be unbiased when giving information even though it may not be the best answer for Lelouch. One example comes from the train ride in Episode 14 of the first season: C.C.: "Do you like her? That girl named Shirley." Lelouch: "Beats me." C.C.: "Do you hate her?" Lelouch: "Beats me." C.C.: "So why are you going to Narita?" Lelouch: "Obviously because she may have found out my identity." C.C.: "What are you going to do after you find out? Eliminate her?" Lelouch: (stunned for a sec) C.C.: "Don't put in too much effort into it if it's something you don't really want to lose." Lelouch: "Was that... from experience?" C.C.: "No, it's a way of life." One scene that left me an impact on C.C. being unbiased is how she mention to Lelouch about the death of Shirley Fenette's father. This took place in Episode 13 of the first season: C.C.: "Are you regretting it? Getting the father of a friend involved?" Lelouch: "Uhh..." C.C.: "You said that Kirihara was weak, and that you would walk down the path of carnage." Lelouch: "Shut up." C.C.: "But the one who is weak is you. Did you think this was a game? Up till now, you have killed a lot of people. Using your hands, or should I say your words?" Lelouch: "Shut up." C.C.: "They had families. Lovers and friends too. Don't tell me you're thinking of saying that you didn't realize it? Is your resolution that..." Lelouch: "Shut up! I am resolute! Ever since the moment I killed Clovis!" C.C.: "Then why you are confused right now? Don't tell me you've been swayed by your emotions? Kissing in an embrace. No matter how great you make yourself sound, you're still just a naive boy who's all talk and who only dreams of victory in his head." (Lelouch grabs C.C. and holds her down the bed) C.C.: "You no longer have the right to get agitated or to choose to do nothing. You shouldn't do that if you wish to live on, right? Don't disappoint me." Lelouch: (stunned for a sec then leaves the room) Even though C.C. may be harsh in what she said, she is still correct on the situation. She is trying to get Lelouch to focus on what he wants to do and to forget about what happened in the past. It is basically a kick in the pants to get Lelouch a wake-up call to reality. I thought this scene really broke the stereotype of viewing C.C. as just a helpful bystander because she usually does not mind making her own choices to assess the situation. If it wasn't for C.C., Lelouch could have just ended up quitting as Zero and remain depressed due to the death of Shirley's father. For one reason or another, C.C. does bring a lot of meaning in being an important supporter to Lelouch. In the very same episode, there was an scene where C.C. was walking away from the school grounds and snow was falling. C.C. recalls the sayings of Lelouch from her thoughts after the situation earlier: Lelouch: "Yes, I was saved earlier. Thanks. C.C., I need you." C.C.: "I... can't repeat the same mistakes again." There is also another thing that makes me wonder about C.C. We don't often see her as a complete loyalist towards Lelouch and that usually is a interesting thing about her character. If we saw C.C. as someone that seems to be completely 100% loyal to Lelouch, then I don't see this result in making her a unique character. Here are a few reasons that wanders in my mind: -One thing that is most important involving C.C. is the contract situation. All the times we watch anime, contracts are often double-edged swords where the protaganist gets his benefit but only receives something negative later on in the story. -Another important event that impacts the presence of C.C. involves the Mao arc from Code Geass' 1st season. This is an arc where C.C. tries to act alone on her own will despite Lelouch ordering her to stay with him. It clearly shows that C.C. tends to take a lot of responsibility on committing her own certain actions. -We can also not forget that C.C. was willing to get a piece of the giant pizza made from the student council, although the event was used for comedic effort. At that time, C.C. did not trust Lelouch in getting a piece of the giant pizza. This is another example on C.C. going out on her own will and not being a complete loyalist towards Lelouch.  -Good comedy moment from Code Geass and was funny. XD Although C.C. often displays little care towards others, it is somewhat interesting to see her bring feelings of care towards Lelouch. In Episode 23 from the first season, C.C. manages to comfort Lelouch for the first time despite what he has accidently done to Princess Euphemia. For myself, it really displays that C.C. can bring out a few hints of different feelings from her usual personality. -This picture I have below is something I have greatly felt from C.C's character. I'm sure anyone that has a bad day would need this from a special someone:  There was another situation that makes me question a little about C.C. and that involves her former partnership with Mao:  Most of us that have seen Code Geass' 1st season realize that Mao is a nutcase. Despite that scenario, C.C. regrets the day on knowing about Mao and often shows a few feelings of guilt on making her contract with Mao. In the aftermath of the carnival incident in episode 15 of the first season, C.C. told Lelouch about the day she met Mao: C.C.: "When I bound a contract with him, Mao was just a six-year-old orphan. Reading and writing, parental love, good and evil, he knows nothing about those. The power of the Geass that Mao obtained from me made him distance himself from other people. That's why, even though he treats me as his best friend and his lover, I'll ultimately just be a stranger to him. Perhaps to Mao, I'm the only human he knows. I am everything to him in this world." After hearing that from C.C., I somehow realize how guilty she felt especially with the Geass impacting Mao's life. From the flashbacks in Episode 15, C.C. tries to help Mao's life become a happy one and hopes to eventually get her wish from the contract in return. Sadly, Mao's obsession for C.C. ended up being his downfall. When it came to the end of Episode 16 from the first season, the picture I have below highlights how C.C. feels guilty on what has happened to Mao:  (Mao leaves the church and notices C.C. outside the door) C.C.: "I once loved you, Mao." (Mao moves closer to her) C.C.: "Mao...go there first to wait for me. At the world of death." (shoots gun at Mao's neck and dies) From the Mao situation, one can wonder how many individuals may have gone insane or mad with power using the Geass. One can also wonder how many individuals C.C. had to make a contract with for many centuries. Everything somehow came clear on Episode 14 of the second season when Lelouch was planning to annihilate the Geass cult organization headed by V.V. It was on this very scene that C.C. regrets about giving Geass as a gift and hopes to put away its existence for good, especially when it comes to individuals like Mao doing terrible things: Researcher #1: "Impossible..." Researcher #2: "M-Master C.C..." C.C.: "Forgive me. This is my sin for letting you all run rampant. Therefore, the genealogy of Geass shall end here. (little tear streams on eyes) That's perhaps... Lelouch and my..." (missile launches to train causing it to explode) Based on all the character traits I discuss about C.C., this highlights on how she breaks away from the typical neglect-feeling character. Based on that alone, she is a character that I find very special in anime itself. Unique, well-developed, and near flawless execution in her role are the three things that certainly fulfill C.C.'s character. Oddly enough, I have yet to discuss the impact of her past. :lol: There was once a quote spoken by C.C. during the first season finale of Code Geass: "All that's left are memories of a witch. I didn't even know that I wasn't a human. The people who hated me, the people who loved me...they have all disappeared with time. In the endless and forever time, I...alone." A very strong quote from C.C. on living her immortal life and forgetting the feelings that where once expressed from other humans. The background information from C.C. that involves her history is certainly something worthwhile. -My thoughts came up from this result, her history brings a great impact towards her own existence and how much she struggles living an eternal life. -It is something else to realize that C.C. has live for a long time for god knows how many centuries. To live for so long and to deal with the many terrible ordeals, one can always make us wonder what her stories are like. In the first season finale, she shares those memories to Lelouch and many viewers that witness the shocking results. By these results, many can understand how much C.C. has dealt with as an individual. It goes by this question: "Is being an immortal consider a great benefit or a curse we may suffer?" After all I witness from C.C.'s history, I really envy on all the crap she had to suffer with in her immortal life. Yuunagi, you mention earlier that C.C. may be too passive which I think is a fair argument. However if we somehow struggle with living an eternal life, should we as human beings like C.C. always strive to find open options in our lives? For myself, this also brings an impact of realism coming from C.C.'s character. As viewers, we must never forget certain situations that may have brought a factor towards C.C.'s decision making. For C.C., there was once a scene in Episode 11 of Season 1 where she shows a vulnerable side to herself: Lelouch: "I took out the fragments and cleaned your wound." C.C.: "There isn't a need." Lelouch: "So it seems." C.C.: "That's why there isn't any meaning in saving me. You always let your pride get in your way at inappropriate times." Lelouch: "I know something interesting because of that." (Lelouch says her name while drop of water came down in the cave) Lelouch: "That's your name, isn't it?" C.C.: "You sure have a bad hobby, eavesdropping." Lelouch: "Isn't it a nice name? It's much more human than 'C.C'." C.C.: "How foolish... To me, humans are... After all, I've... I've... forgotten everything. Every single thing. As things are now, names are... Why is the name...? (tear drops from her eyes) Lelouch: "I'm saying it because it's a good opportunity to do so. Yes. I was saved earlier. Up till now... everything... including the Geass... That is why... I'll only say it once. Thank you."  C.C.: (tears still in her eyes and a smile) "This is the first time I've been thanked. Do you mind if I request a gift from you? Say it again, like how you did earlier." Lelouch: "Ah... That name?" C.C.: " Just once, with care and concern from within your heart." Lelouch: "I have no choice. (says name without viewers hearing) How was that?" C.C.: "It was bad. It was completely bad. Not kind at all. Nor does it reflect sincerity or kindness. Your pronunciation was odd too. Most importantly, it lacked warmth." Lelouch: "You're a very selfish woman." C.C.: "Of course. That's because I'm C.C." From this situation, would it be necessary to say that C.C. was willing to take chances in different sides (like Lelouch or Marianne) just to heal the mental wounds of those she has forgotten long ago. For some reason, it plays a factor of her relationship with Marianne, Lelouch, or a few other characters just to strive on decisions that may come up as a benefit for herself. To live a life where you can't die (along with not remembering others from the past) and to somehow have this struggle to bring happiness for yourself, it brings tears to your eyes for someone like C.C. We may say C.C. was passive in her attempts, but could we clearly recognize that it was appropriate and well-executed for her character. To think, it was one out of many quality results that makes C.C. that special of a character. I can never forget the times I shed a few tears whenever C.C. mentions about forgetting the people from her past. For the state of being immortal, it is that appropriate in itself and that is something memorable coming from the character C.C. There is also another question that we should ask and that involves C.C. liking pizza. As humans whenever we feel loneliness sometimes we need friends, family, love, or food to heal the mental burdens we are dealing with in our lives. For C.C. to like pizza, it brings an appropriate and realistic outcome in this situation. On Episode 15 of Code Geass R2, everything we learn about C.C.'s past was set in stone on how much she has struggle as an individual. In all of the times I have spent watching anime, I have never felt so much pity learning about her past. It suddenly builds up to this scene in episode 15 on knowing about C.C.'s wish: C.C.: "Lelouch, I shall reveal to you the condition of our pact... my wish now..." (silence for a moment) C.C.: "My wish is to die, for my existence to end forever." Lelouch: "End? But you're..." C.C.: "What lies at the end of Geass for its users... is to succeed the position of the one who bestowed the power on them. In other words, one would obtain the ability to kill me. Lelouch: "Kill... C.C.?" C.C.: "Of the many people that have had a pact with me, none were able to attain that goal. However, now there is one - Charles." Lelouch: "Impossible... You made a pact with me in order to die?" C.C.: "Correct." Lelouch: "You've lived in order to die?" C.C.: "Therein lies the providence of this world. Such a limit is called life." Lelouch: "No! There is life because one is alive!" C.C.: "Same thing. People are aware of life when they are aware of death." Lelouch: "You're just playing with words!" C.C.: "But people do die." Lelouch: "Even so, what is the reason... the meaning of birth into this world?" C.C.: "You know the answer to that. Those are nothing but mere illusions." Lelouch: "A life that just has death is too tragic!" C.C.: "You don't call endless aggregation of not dying, 'life'. That is merely an experience." (Lelouch gasps)  C.C.: "If you have a reason to live, then kill me. Do that, and you will obtain the same power as Charles... The power to fight." (Lelouch stutters to speak) C.C.: "Farewell, Lelouch. You are too gentle of a person." Lelouch: "Wait, you-" (falls below) For all the time she has dealt from her eternal life, it brings a strong meaning of realism towards C.C. If one of us was immortal like C.C. and suffer through the many ordeals like herself, doesn't that make us wish to die also? There is also another question we should ask. Why did C.C. not tell Lelouch before about her wish to die? Based on my thoughts, C.C. either loves or cares for Lelouch that she doesn't want to see him deal with the eternal hell that she has gone through. From the picture I have below, C.C. known as a neglect-feeling character to many of us can certainly open up her feelings with tears that speak a truth.  C.C.'s original character brings so much presense towards Code Geass. When she went through the sudden character change at the end of Code Geass R2's Episode 15, I have certainly brought feelings towards badly missing her character. It was very good that C.C.'s original character return after a short time. However even though her character change does not last long, I did receive something important from it. During the time of her past before she receive Geass, I can understand how fearful she is towards other people when she was a slave girl. For one reason or another, the two pictures below certainly bring similar images of both past and present.   Most of us may question from this situation if this really brings a set-back on C.C.'s character. I completely disagree on this situation. While this may not be something we consider a good direction in the Code Geass R2 storyline, this is how C.C. was in the past before she ever received Geass. The truth is, we can't forget that this is an appropriate mental state (including the age she was) of how much she has struggle in the past. It is hard to imagine on how much hell she had to deal with as a slave girl and how her master (or others) may have been treating her as an individual. Even though C.C. has also dealt with the burden of eternal life, her character has come a long way in becoming a strong individual.  When Code Geass came to an end, I will never forget that smile she once brought during Episode 24 of the second season. Personally, it is like a smile that has truly blossum for the first time. For the first time in her life, C.C. realizes the feeling of happiness along with having a true smile she mainly deserves:  I have brought up a lot of detail on seeing C.C. as a great character in anime. There are also a few personal interests that I tend to enjoy from C.C. -Yukana Nogami gave out a great seiyu performance for C.C. If it wasn't for her, I may never enjoy C.C.'s character as much as I would. -My favorite food craving is pizza, so I certainly share that interest with C.C. :lol: -C.C. also brings a priceless smile, something that brings out a great image from a female character in anime. -She also brings out an appealing image on being a mysterious character along with an interesting fashion sense in clothing. -Finally, if I ever want to have a cup of tea or have a slice of pizza and listen to stories with a certain character, then C.C. is the one I would consider. -C.C., you will remain the top among my favorites in anime and you will certainly bring many memories worth viewing. Thanks to all the CnC club members who have read this and I hope my long analysis of C.C. is a worthwhile read. On a last note, here is an interesting quote from C.C. that discuss in her thoughts about humans struggling for happiness and how Lelouch progresses as an individual. This was found in the last scene of the first Code Geass finale: C.C.: "Humans, exist to chase for happiness. A guy from Britannia. What Lelouch was looking for, was just that bit of happiness. It's not something special. The root of his actions, as a person, they are very tiny wishes which are apparent in everyone. These dreams, these words, who can renounce them? Who has that right? But, however, no matter who, no matter what the wish is, one cannot bind others and the world to themselves. Determine one's fate. If, one allows the thoughts of others, to go beyond that of the world, his existence is merely one which is drifting with the waves. Crimes and punishment. Fate and judgment. What's blocking Lelouch is, the past he created. It is hate between people. Even so, he should be thankful now. (few tears from her eyes) Yes. At least...it is a fact that humans exist to pursue happiness. All the wishes, concealing those yearnings...they are born from despair." |
Dark-EvolutionApr 4, 2009 3:57 AM
| I don't really have that much as far as a discussion goes, but you've clearly been preparing this for weeks if not months and the c+p job doesn't really help that much. I'll probably vote yes because this will probably be a lost cause. |
| Well, although I appreciate your well thought out review, Anime-Destiny, especially since it's far more cohesive than anything I could write, I would have to pretty much completely disagree on C.C. She wasn't original to me at all (sarcasm and wit with a high dosage of fanservice in someone that can't die...I've definitely seen this before many times), and on top of that, she really didn't do anything of importance in the show beyond giving Lelouch the Geass. Sure, she advised him a lot, but any advice she gave him was more of an affirmation for his own opinions, so she really brought nothing new. She just seemed like a sex symbol overused for comic relief. She's actually my least favorite main character of the show, I was very bored of her. I'll toss out some good points. I did enjoy the fact that she didn't appear to be completely loyal to Lelouch, that she was selfish and acted on her selfishness without regret, and I enjoyed Yukana Nogami's voice acting as well. |
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| image spam + wall o' text = TL;DR From 2 months ago: She's one of those ambivalent characters who could swing either way but never actually goes to either extreme. C.C. stands out in the show primarily because she's surrounded by Machiavellians and other emotional characters yet she doesn't get carried away by passions or ideals. Despite being hundred of years old, she remains open to change and she's the type who'd ask questions and point out facts rather than give one-sided lectures to people. Besides personally interacting and being familiar with most of the key characters, C.C. also plays multiple roles such as accomplice, mentor, conscience, kindred spirit, and possible love interest. Capable in combat, cool-headed, having centuries worth of experience and knowledge, and providing a fair amount of fanservice to boot. While it's true that Death Note and Code Geass are parallel in some aspects, C.C. clearly blows Ryuk out of the water. So do I like her? I guess so. Is she outstanding? Dunno. In a sense, she does stick out in CG because she's the regular thumb in a hand full of sore fingers. I like her primarily because of personal preferences and just about everybody else in the show is an idiot or a jerk at some point. Compared to characters in other shows, I don't really find her that memorable though that might have changed if she had actually acted more as a main character than a very helpful bystander. i.e. She seems too passive for a character with so much potential. Verdict: undecided |
| I think she suffers from being in this series, seriously. She had the potential to become a great character, but because of dumb direction, she was reduced to a piece of crap fanservice, though she still had her moments. So I agree with chryseis for the most part, I guess. That being said, it's been a long time since I watched the first season, so I don't really know if I'm being too hard on her because of the crap that is R2. Still, that doesn't change the fact that they wasted her character instead of deepening it (sufficiently) during second season and it will probably lead to me voting no. May abstain though. |
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| C.C. has charisma, has that attractive mystery aura and is seriously HOT. Unfortunately: Tenchio said: She had the potential to become a great character, but because of dumb direction, she was reduced to a piece of crap fanservice 5/10 + 1 for the Anime-Destiny analysis: 6/10 Decision: No. |
| CC reminds me of a couple of my ex-girlfriends. She's a constantly moody, irritating bitch who demands everything from everyone, but is never satisfied. Whenever one tries to engage her, ask her what's wrong, she ignores them in a rude manner. However, much like my ex's when they were horny, depending on her mood, she can be quite affectionate and tender at times. Of course, it never lasts for long, and she has no problems abandoning her former lover when some new apple catches her selfish eye. (Note how she treated Mao) The only difference is that at least my two ex's were real people, and acted in a realistic if often illogical manner. CC, on the other hand, possesses magical powers, saves Lelouch because she apparently loves him on first sight...then completely ignores him and only makes his job harder....and then repeatedly saves him from death and completely changes her attitude towards him. Shitty, annoying, stupid character. And for the record, I like my women with big breasts, giant asses, dark skin, and natural colored hair. So she doesn't even work as a sexual object. 2/10 No. |
Tenchio said: She had the potential to become a great character, but because of dumb direction, she was reduced to a piece of crap fanservice... That being said, it's been a long time since I watched the first season, so I don't really know if I'm being too hard on her because of the crap that is R2. Still, that doesn't change the fact that they wasted her character instead of deepening it (sufficiently) during second season and it will probably lead to me voting no. May abstain though. I agree with this as well. I didn't see her as anything other than fanservice, unfortunately. Also, she was definitely less annoying than other female characters in the anime. I'll give her props for that. |
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| So, I gave her a one. As a character, I saw nothing definite or original about her. She was placed and kept merely as both a plot device and product placement device (Pizza Hut). Honestly, the story would have been much more interesting if CC had not been in the show at all. Lelouch would have had to rely on himself a little more, and I wouldn't have had to deal with the fanservice in R2 with her losing her memories (which I saw as one of the many pillars that crumbled in the downfall of that show). Oh yeah, and she's responsible for Mao, which was the absolute worst, and most frustratingly bad/incoherent part of the first season. |
noteDhero said: Oh yeah, and she's responsible for Mao, which was the absolute worst, and most frustratingly bad/incoherent part of the first season. Oh, but we got to see Suzu outrun a fucking machine gun thanks to that plot device...even though, like, he never did that before or after that plot arc, and it made no sense whatsoever. |
ShaolinRibiero said: noteDhero said: Oh yeah, and she's responsible for Mao, which was the absolute worst, and most frustratingly bad/incoherent part of the first season. Oh, but we got to see Suzu outrun a fucking machine gun thanks to that plot device...even though, like, he never did that before or after that plot arc, and it made no sense whatsoever. Please don't remind me of that...then I start to think about how the police turned Mao into swiss cheese and then somehow show up what, 3 days later with just a broken arm and leg? |
noteDhero said: ShaolinRibiero said: noteDhero said: Oh yeah, and she's responsible for Mao, which was the absolute worst, and most frustratingly bad/incoherent part of the first season. Oh, but we got to see Suzu outrun a fucking machine gun thanks to that plot device...even though, like, he never did that before or after that plot arc, and it made no sense whatsoever. Please don't remind me of that...then I start to think about how the police turned Mao into swiss cheese and then somehow show up what, 3 days later with just a broken arm and leg? We could go on all day about the mistakes in just that one episode. Why the fuck would you use a solenoid in a motion detection machine? Since when have they relied on electromagnetism instead of light or heat? How the fuck would a motion detection device that is clearly rocking back and forth be able to tell subtle changes in an area many feet below it? How did Mao magically transport it to the basement of the school and give it the proper settings? After all, with how sensitive that would have to be, Mao would have to make it react to Nunally's specific body heat/shape/etc. How did he know it or find it out fast enough to instantly implement it? Also, how does Suzu cutting the wire not trip anything? The explanation of him "moving with the swaying" makes no sense whatsoever, and would effect precisely nothing. Also, how does Mao reach the basement so easily? He can't just use a Geass to have people tell him or find about it. Why does CC just stand outside doing nothing until killing Mao? The whole chess game was hilarious. Hearing your opponent's thoughts wouldn't necessarily help one very much. And unless Lelouch is the worst player on the face of the Earth, then there should be rough material equality throughout the game, even if he's being crushed...so the idea of using captured pieces as a metric is retarded. And if it requires such a heavy collection, well, you can be mated, and still not have enough pieces taken. I'll stop now. Bottom line, the show sucks, and so does CC. I only gave her a 2/10 because there were even more annoying characters than her in that abortion of a series (Rivalz and Lloyd). |
| It's been awhile since I watched season 1 so I don't really have anything specific to say. But honestly I think any potential any of these characters might have had at conception was squandered by the show they were in. Can't expect to be impressed by a racehorse when it's out in a field tied to a plow if you know what I mean. |
| I vote YES! I admit that she's fanservice but I have to say she is a very good one. Her role as a "fanservice" character made CG more appealing to the audience, especially to fanboys, fangirls and shippers(like me). She serves as Lelouch's accomplice. And she played that role quite well with her sarcasm, sex appeal and occasional unloyalty that contrasted or blended very well with Kallen and Shirley's. She is Lelouch's ultimate "decoration." Anime Destiny showed this in detail. But in my opinion, she adds depth in CG very much in her being Lelouch "accomplice." She's the only character who is motivated by her own "selfish" reasons, having no loyalty on any side, except for a little for Lelouch whom she had been using. All the characters are acting human, and she certainly knows about humanity more than them, observing for a distance, denying that she's part of it; yet still, she is the one who yearns to be like one through dying. Almost all the characters are fighting for freedom, life, peace etc. but she's the only one who doesn't have those desires (small amount of happiness) and has only one wish: to die and end endless experience. Although she deny her humanity she can't help but care, using her wisdom she acquired through the centuries. She was deprived of love yet she has love inside her all along, keeping it to herself to avoid pain. Generally, CC would be totally useless without her development with Lelouch. Some view her as a fanservice and some view her as a very deep character. She's multi-purpose. If that single trait degraded her or is a very good asset it's up to the person. But for me, she is definitely NOT MEDIOCRE and well made. I'm amazed by the detail of the Anime-Destiny's analysis :) |
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| i am a big fan of Code Geass S1 and to a lesser extent S2 and i thought CC was a good character...but def not good enough to be considered for CnC. utlimately, it came down to the producers deciding not to flesh her out enough to make room for the 62387 other plots/subplots/arcs/mini-arcs that they wanted to have air time. Had they decided to flesh her out more, i'm sure she would have come out much better then she did. but because they didn't do that, i'm left with what they gave us. Season 1 was a better season for CC mainly because of all the mystery that surrounded her. there were always more questions then answers when it came to her and that was the most appealing thing about her. "who is this girl? why does she have these powers? what is this contract about? "Japanese Pizza Hut pizza can't be THAT good can it?" etc etc. But outside of that...she was just another tool for Lelouch to use in his quest for revenge, or whatever the hell it was that he wanted. she piloted Knightmares into battle, she acted as a spy of sorts and held an "executive position" in The Black Knights toward the middle/end of S1. while this is all well and good, it doesn't do much to develop her character. The Mao Arc was a complete waste in terms of the potential it had in developing CC as a character. It again left more questions then answers...but not in the good way i mentioned before. Season 2 was just......ehhhhhh for CC. The producers tried to answer some of the questions we had about her this time around but it didn't work the way i think they wanted it to. The story about how she came to be what she is today was nice and the few episodes where she was a scared slave girl were cute. But that was about it. everything else was just.....again, ehhhhh. that whole thing with the Geass Lab and her connection to the Emperor was done too quickly and we didn't have enough time to even care and i found myself suddenly not caring less and less about CC. so.....for reasons stated above, i can't vote yes for CC. |
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| It's been a while since I've posted on the spotlight, but Anime-Destiny's essay at the beginning convinced me to put my thoughts forward on this (kudos to you AD for taking the time to do all that work). Anyhoo, I'll start by making this clear - I will be voting no for C.C., and here's why.... How many of you have ever been subjected to the really bad daytime soap operas? I'm talking about such masterpieces of programming as "The Young & The Restless", "The Bold & The Beautiful", "Sunset Bitch Beach", and the other clones and spinoffs that were spawned from the diseased psyche of those rabid goats dressed as a network executives. Or, those absolutely stimulating and thought provoking works from latin america, India (don't ask, don't tell), etc, etc, etc. There's more ham in those shows than can be found on the worlds biggest pig farm, and you'd have to be really bored (or insane, deficient, an idiot, or dead), to actually enjoy those shows. It has been my misfortune to have been subjected to that torture (it's seriously medieval), by my brother's girlfriend (now wife), during the time he and I shared a flat some years ago. She was a terminal soap opera addict, and thus I was given a crash course in who did what with whom, and whose evil twin was going to have a scooby doo ending on their arc of the story, etc, etc. It's only years later (and after numerous bouts of therapy, and several cat scans to ensure no permanent brain damage), that I am finally able to voice my utter hatred (and I use that term loosely as I don't think there's a word to describe how I feel about them), for soap operas in general. Which brings me neatly on to Code Geass :) CG is, first and foremost, a soap opera. It may not seem like it but it has all the criteria for a soap opera (I mean, Lelouch is his own evil twin!), and because of this I was predisposed to disliking the show as a rule. So imagine my surprise to find that I enjoyed it in a no brain kind of way (I should point out that I put this firmly down to the onset of senility though). The fat that it's an anime, and that it's a bit bigger in scope than the typical run-of-the-mill soap opera actually makes it more enjoyable, but the characters could have been lifted straight from "The Bold & The Beautiful", with some alterations given to them because of their age, race, social status (in true soap opera style, you don't see any really poor people getting any of the spotlight), etc, etc. C.C. is a good example of a typical soap opera character. The tragic uber-heroine with a hidden past, who gets close to the main male lead, and helps him gain power and wealth because of a shared goal (or because they're in a relationship). It's something that tends to show up in any soap opera (aside form the british ones which tend to be a bit more "working class"), being on a par with such classic plot developments as "it was all just a dream" and "patient wakes up with no memory". In all honesty, C.C. was agreeable enough as a character, but I've seen the type far too many times over the years and they all suffer from the same complaint - you never really get to know them as a character. Throughout the two series of CG, we are given little snapshots of C.C. past, but there's never really anything substantial to help the viewer relate to C.C. as a character, and there's far too many questions left unanswered - What land is she from? How did she escape? Why did she join with Charles and V.V.? etc, etc, etc. All of those questions really needed to be answered, as it would have helped the viewer understand C.C.s motivations, and ultimately eaplain why she chose Lelouch over Charles. Visually nice enough to look at, but too much of a coathanger, or walking billboard, for my tastes. |
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Anime-Destiny said: I actually think it is best to keep some areas of C.C. as a mystery, because that brings out a fitting image to her character. Heck, I have been hearing from other C.C. fans often on wanting to know her real name. In all due honesty, does it really matter wanting to know her real name? (-_-) To be honest, I don't mind if a character is ever so slightly mysterious, as it can often enhance that character rather than destroying it. However, in cases like C.C. all you have is the mystery, which leaves very little for any actual development of her character as that has apparently happened somewhere outside the bounds of the story. It's not actually necessary to know her real name, but it would have been nice to have a little more information about why she made the choices she made within the story. There's such a thing as being too mysterious :) |
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Anime-Destiny said: Archaeon said: It's been a while since I've posted on the spotlight, but Anime-Destiny's essay at the beginning convinced me to put my thoughts forward on this (kudos to you AD for taking the time to do all that work). Thank you for your kind words Archaeon, because it was not a very easy essay to do and it certainly took quite a lot of time to finish. It is unfortunate that our votes are going to be different on the "You Decide" polls. (>_<) That stinks about the soap opera situation you had to deal with though. :( It makes me wonder if you would have seen the Code Geass series in a different light, if you have not seen any soap operas at all? I certainly was one person that never bother watching soap operas. :lol: Archaeon said: In all honesty, C.C. was agreeable enough as a character, but I've seen the type far too many times over the years and they all suffer from the same complaint - you never really get to know them as a character. Throughout the two series of CG, we are given little snapshots of C.C. past, but there's never really anything substantial to help the viewer relate to C.C. as a character, and there's far too many questions left unanswered - What land is she from? How did she escape? Why did she join with Charles and V.V.? etc, etc, etc. All of those questions really needed to be answered, as it would have helped the viewer understand C.C.s motivations, and ultimately eaplain why she chose Lelouch over Charles. Visually nice enough to look at, but too much of a coathanger, or walking billboard, for my tastes. I think this is a fair argument, but it is more or less a debate to decide from personal feelings. Based on that situation, some of us may want to know C.C. as a clear picture while others think that it may be best to keep some areas of her as a mystery. I actually think it is best to keep some areas of C.C. as a mystery, because that brings out a fitting image to her character. Heck, I have been hearing from other C.C. fans often on wanting to know her real name. In all due honesty, does it really matter wanting to know her real name? (-_-) Speaking of mystery, I don't understand why Ginko was added and CC does not deserve it. In terms of soap opera roles, Ginko is also a wandering character helping everyone, appropriate for Mushishi's setting. Not that I bash Ginko, I like him; but in CC's case, she IS the girl helping the main character BUT one SHOULD overlook that simple role and consider her complex character explained in detail in the first page. Kenshin is also a character suffering from his past, Guts is also a warrior wanting to be stronger. Every character has a role but almost all criticism I have found on CC is because of her role. CC is not my favorite character but I have looked for an anime girl who matches most her qualities based on the analysis, and I found none so far. To those who thinks that she's a useless character I demand a criticism as detailed as the analysis. I'm not saying that all should vote "yes", I respect people's preference;personal OPINION always counts. One may like her or not; however, I'll continue insisting that CC being crappy is NOT A FACT. |
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danceljoy said: Speaking of mystery, I don't understand why Ginko was added and CC does not deserve it. In terms of soap opera roles, Ginko is also a wandering character helping everyone, appropriate for Mushishi's setting. Not that I bash Ginko, I like him; but in CC's case, she IS the girl helping the main character BUT one SHOULD overlook that simple role and consider her complex character explained in detail in the first page. CC is not my favorite character but I have looked for an anime girl who matches most her qualities based on the analysis, and I found none so far. Totally agree. I may have to look back at my vote, but I'm pretty sure I said no...Ginko really is the same...a "mysterious" character that, once given some concrete background on him, I lost complete interest. Those last episodes of Mushishi were the worst, and honestly not needed. But just because Ginko made it doesn't mean we should allow C.C. |
Anime-Destiny said: While I respect your opinion (along with bringing up a few good points) Ghostxlix, I don't agree with this statement to be honest. Well, i am glad to know that i bought some good points up!! :-D score one for me! Amine-Destiny said: C.C. actually had more of a subplot compare to other characters in Code Geass. While characters like Lelouch, Kallen, and Suzaku are all part of the main development; C.C. had her own backstory that I felt was the best recognized in Code Geass. This is very true, CC did get the most subplot airtime out of all of the other characters and for good reason, she is the 2nd most important character after Lelouch. (some could argue about Suzaku being 2nd, i care not) did she get the airtime she should have considering that she is the 2nd most important character in the series, no she didn't, which really isn't her fault(lol), its the producers, but like i said, i can only work with what they give us. Anime-Destiny said: In terms of her character being fleshed out, we are introduced to a sarcastic personality that is hardly ever seen from neglect-feeling characters along with a sad and tragic history she has dealt with. Besides her past story in episode 15 of the second season, we also don't want to forgot about those flashbacks in the first season finale where she has been dealt with all those terrible ordeals (getting shot in the head, decapitated, burned alive, being called a witch, etc.) Again, yes, i can agree, but being a unique character doesn't mean she is a great character. And we've seen characters with disturbing pasts before. granted, she def went through more torture being immoral, but still. it is supposed to tug on the heart strings, didn't really do it for me. *shrug* As for as your thoughts on the Mao arc, it obvy didn't hit us the same way. The only thing that i stuck with me from that arc was that CC needs someone to do something and that person needs to be strong, or else she is moving on. Which is fine, good for her. But if you look at Mao vs. Lelouch, its not even close. Mao is a crazy, lonely boy who hears voices in his head (clever if u think about it) and Lelouch is a much more calm and collected individual, much stronger then Mao mentally. So when they (producers) tried to sell me the idea that Lelouch could become like Mao some day, i wasn't buying for a second. I have a feeling that she only killed Mao because he was getting in the way of her current contract...which makes sense to me. Mao wasn't going away, so she killed him. If this was intended to paint her as coldblooded, it didn't work for me. So you take that coldbloodedness that we are supposed associate with CC and build on it with the Geass Lab slaughter (which i think worked more toward Lelouch's character than CC) and her sudden flip-flop with the Emperor and Lelouch, where she goes to the Emperor's side to bring about the end of the world(i think?) and then flips and decides that she wants to be on Lelouch's side instead after she realizes that she sees more out of him then just being a tool to bring about....whatever it was that she wanted. (u'll have to fill in the blanks for me, cuz again, it all happened so fast that i didn't have time to rap my head around it and before i knew it, we had moved on anyway, so i did too...) All of ^that^ is fine, but again, didn't hit me the way i think it was supposed to... |
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| Ginko was cool, funny, and interesting. CC is an irritable, needy, inconsistent whore who can't make up her mind on whether she prefers doggy or missionary position. Therein lies the difference. Next question. Archaeon said: How many of you have ever been subjected to the really bad daytime soap operas? I'm talking about such masterpieces of programming as "The Young & The Restless", "The Bold & The Beautiful", "Sunset Bitch Beach", and the other clones and spinoffs that were spawned from the diseased psyche of those rabid goats dressed as a network executives. Or, those absolutely stimulating and thought provoking works from latin america, India (don't ask, don't tell), etc, etc, etc. Yeah, right. You voted "yes" for Bitter Virgin. You're a hardcore soap opera fanboy, and there's no use repressing it like that, heh. Also, how dare you compare CC to a Latin American soap opera? You should be ashamed of yourself. Latin American actresses are criminally hot and sexy. I want to do all kinds of illegal and dirty things to them. CC isn't. |
ShaolinRibiero said: Yeah, right. You voted "yes" for Bitter Virgin. You're a hardcore soap opera fanboy, and there's no use repressing it like that, heh. I voted "yes" for Bitter Virgin as, even though it is very over-the-top melodramatic, it was also quite brutal in it's portrayal of the aftereffects of abuse and rape. In all honesty, I was surprised at how well Hinako was portrayed as the victim - especially her fear of men in general. Having worked with people like this in the past, it was a little more on a personal level for me with regards to the yes vote, as it's nice to have manga and anime that address real issues and concerns once in a while. I mean, an anime version of "The West Wing" should be on the cards at some point right? ShaolinRibiero said: Also, how dare you compare CC to a Latin American soap opera? You should be ashamed of yourself. Latin American actresses are criminally hot and sexy. I want to do all kinds of illegal and dirty things to them. CC isn't. Well I'd be very surprised if you wanted to do various things to C.C. as it does conjure up a very odd image (the word "disc drive" also springs to mind, as well as electrical burn). |
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Archaeon said: I voted "yes" for Bitter Virgin as, even though it is very over-the-top melodramatic, it was also quite brutal in it's portrayal of the aftereffects of abuse and rape. In all honesty, I was surprised at how well Hinako was portrayed as the victim - especially her fear of men in general. Having worked with people like this in the past, it was a little more on a personal level for me with regards to the yes vote, as it's nice to have manga and anime that address real issues and concerns once in a while. Interesting you say that. From what I've heard of people working with abused women, girls that are raped at an early age tend to become extremely promiscuous later on in life, reliving the same horrific nightmare over and over. It's similar to how abused children tend to favor and show more affection towards the abusing parent. Archaeon said: Well I'd be very surprised if you wanted to do various things to C.C. as it does conjure up a very odd image (the word "disc drive" also springs to mind, as well as electrical burn). Heh, you know what I mean. Even in real life, girls with stick legs, green hair, and tiny tits and ass don't do it for me. And instead of making herself useful like a real woman by cooking and cleaning for her man Lelouch, she just sits around eating Pizza Hut delivery all day. Not only that, but her taste in men is as dreadful and inexplicable as her taste in pizza. Are you seriously telling me that a woman hundreds of years old is interested in some snot-nosed, arrogant, ridiculous seventeen year old? Seriously? Man, even 20 year old girls find most seventeen year old guys to be boring losers. (Which they are) |
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ShaolinRibiero said: Interesting you say that. From what I've heard of people working with abused women, girls that are raped at an early age tend to become extremely promiscuous later on in life, reliving the same horrific nightmare over and over. It's similar to how abused children tend to favor and show more affection towards the abusing parent. That's one of the extreme forms of behaviour they can have, and really stems from a self destructive urge more than anything else. The opposite end of the spectrum is also true though, in that you have girls who were raped who won't go anywhere near a man, and tend to cower when one approaches them. Children who have been victims of abuse can reach a point where they shun almost all human contact, effectively becoming recluses within their own homes. Aaaaaaaaaaand back to C.C. ShaolinRibiero said: Heh, you know what I mean. Even in real life, girls with stick legs, green hair, and tiny tits and ass don't do it for me. And instead of making herself useful like a real woman by cooking and cleaning for her man Lelouch, she just sits around eating Pizza Hut delivery all day. Not only that, but her taste in men is as dreadful and inexplicable as her taste in pizza. Are you seriously telling me that a woman hundreds of years old is interested in some snot-nosed, arrogant, ridiculous seventeen year old? Seriously? Man, even 20 year old girls find most seventeen year old guys to be boring losers. (Which they are) Totally agree. I've mentioned this in discussions before. C.C. is a shota. |
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Archaeon said: Totally agree. I've mentioned this in discussions before. C.C. is a shota. What is a shota? |
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noteDhero said: likes little boys Why "shota", then? Why not call her a "pedophile"? |
ShaolinRibiero said: noteDhero said: likes little boys Why "shota", then? Why not call her a "pedophile"? Because "shota" makes it more socially acceptable. "Pedophiles" are just mean. |
ShaolinRibiero said: CC is an irritable, needy, inconsistent whore who can't make up her mind on whether she prefers doggy or missionary position. LOL....there is nothing i can say to that other then "LOL". While i can't agree with your thoughts about her, thats doesn't make that statement any less funny. ----------------------------------------- Well Anime-Destiny, we will have to agree to disagree. its obvious to me that we could go on like this for days and make no progress in either way. but the discussion was good.... |
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| iv gotta say that theres too much about C.C that i find un-unique. i love her as a character and she did alot to move the story of CG but she and every other character was shoved aside for Lelough so we couldnt get to know her better. sadly i have to say no, sorry Destiny. I find it hilarious how Shaolin is trying to give an argument thats riddled with vulgarity about her appearance and attitude but nothing deeper then that, and just plain hate with no deeper explanation of C.C. as a character. @Shaolin didnt u also say that u dropped CG at like ep 7 yet u have it and the CG specials finished on ur list . so did u actually finish it cuz i find it strange how u hate so many anime yet ur dropped list is empty? |
KetuekigamiDec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
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Ketuekigami said: I find it hilarious how Shaolin is trying to give an argument thats riddled with vulgarity about her appearance and attitude but nothing deeper then that, and just plain hate with no deeper explanation of C.C. as a character. I think you need to learn how to read. From the first page; ShaolinRibiero said: She's a constantly moody, irritating bitch who demands everything from everyone, but is never satisfied. Whenever one tries to engage her, ask her what's wrong, she ignores them in a rude manner. However, much like my ex's when they were horny, depending on her mood, she can be quite affectionate and tender at times. Of course, it never lasts for long, and she has no problems abandoning her former lover when some new apple catches her selfish eye. (Note how she treated Mao) The only difference is that at least my two ex's were real people, and acted in a realistic if often illogical manner. CC, on the other hand, possesses magical powers, saves Lelouch because she apparently loves him on first sight...then completely ignores him and only makes his job harder....and then repeatedly saves him from death and completely changes her attitude towards him. No, I never said that. That's probably your substandard literacy skills confusing you again. Ketuekigami said: yet u have it and the CG specials finished on ur list . so did u actually finish it cuz i find it strange how u hate so many anime yet ur dropped list is empty? Yes, I finished both, and have written about the later episodes on the C&C comments section, as well as several peoples' profiles. And while the statement "u (sic) hate so many anime" is stupid and inaccurate, it's nice of you notice that I've completed all the anime I've watched. What about it? |
Anime-Destiny said: The one thing that I'm curious about is what you see in C.C. that is un-unique to you Ketuekigami, because I'm actually very surprise to hear that from someone who likes C.C. as a character? (>_<) oh im sorry, i should have explained myself better >.< C.C like all characters have there own unique traits but as an overall character in my veiwpoint she has a common personality. "a girl who had a very difficult past and struggles with her ability to interact with others." i will say however that the idea of her wishing to be able to die and suffering through her life with this wish is not something that comes up ofter but overall she has alot of common traits. even though the she did played her role very well which is a plus for her character i dont think ill completely change my decision just yet. but that is only an overall viewpoint and i am a person who is very open to discussion so it is vary possible to change my mind. Anime-Destiny said: I have to disagree with you here, Ketuekigami. Throughtout both seasons of Code Geass, there was alot of information that was brought up on C.C. (even I had to put up a ton of information on my analysis to bring up a broader presentation on C.C.) As I mentioned earlier to Ghostxlix:--- i am very sorry but once i finally got to the thread there was almost 2 pages of text and i didnt have time to read it all >_< the main reason i said "she and every other character was shoved aside for Lelouch so we couldnt get to know her better." was mainly because in 99% of the eps Lelough has about 90% of the screen time, and that even the ep where C.C.s past was revealed it was mainly a tool to develop Lelough's character further. although that doesnt change the fact that she had a good backstory i can only get the feeling that she was only there as a tool to develop Lelough. i will admit that i agree with the points both of u said there yet i still cant get over the fact that she was used as a tool for the sake of the development of the main character. @Shaolin im sorry it seems i misread ur post in ur rant. it says u have only seen 8 eps and it doesnt say u dropped it, i apologize. ok, i read it again... and i still see only vulgarity and no actual credible explanation of why u hate her so much. furthermore u only attack her on what her character is supposed to be. u cant attack a character for traits that they cant help but have. all of the things u put in bold are traits that are very believable for a character whos had an unbelievably hard life, has lived with her pain for hundreds of years, and will do anything to reach her goals. all of the traits that u said are very common when taking into consideration that said character will do whatever they can to reach their goals, and even Light has that trait yet why is it that u see fault when C.C has it? and also, u wouldnt know this seeing as u havnt seen the 2nd season but even that character trait that i mentioned doesnt last long. she begins to abandons all of her selfish habits and helps Lelough for his own sake. although it should be obvious to anyone that that u wont be able to see the complete growth of a character without seeing the complete story (both seasons) yet u continue to assume u know everything about CG. Also,u should learn how to carry on an argument without attacking the other person on a personal level such as saying "That's probably your substandard literacy skills confusing you again." i dont think u realize that when u attack ppl in that manner and not try to have a considerate or persuading argument u only make the other person think that u cant carry out a discussion without attacking the their own personal taste and calling them names or questioning their intelligence. if u want ppl to take u seriously u really need to work on this because nobody is going to want to have a discussion with u if u personally attack them as ur argument. and i really dont feel like talking to u anymore if all ur gonna do is give a few word comment saying of how what i just said is stupid or how im an idiot so theres a good chance that im gonna ignore ur reply and maybe anything u say from now on unless u learn how to talk to others with some level of respect. |
KetuekigamiDec 11, 2008 1:51 PM
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Ketuekigami said: @Shaolin im sorry it seems i misread ur post in ur rant. it says u have only seen 8 eps and it doesnt say u dropped it, i apologize. ok, i read it again... and i still see only vulgarity and no actual credible explanation of why u hate her so much. furthermore u only attack her on what her character is supposed to be. u cant attack a character for traits that they cant help but have. What? A freaking anime character is not a real, living, breathing, human being. They're the creation of the storyboard team/director. You can judge them by three criteria; how entertaining they are, how deep and thoughtful they are, and how realistic they are. CC fails each one. On top of that, her actions (like all of Code Geass and everyone in it) are completely contradictory, and make no sense. Thus, she's a very poor character. That's all there is to it. Next question. Ketuekigami said: if u want ppl to take u seriously u really need to work on this because nobody is going to want to have a discussion with u if u personally attack them as ur argument. and i really dont feel like talking to u anymore if all ur gonna do is give a few word comment saying of how what i just said is stupid or how im an idiot so Didn't "u" apologize for the assumption that I called stupid at the beginning of "ur" post? Also, I never called "u" an idiot, (another example of "u" posting before reading?) but if "u" feel that's what "u" are, who am I to argue? Ketuekigami said: theres a good chance that im gonna ignore ur reply and maybe anything u say from now on unless u learn how to talk to others with some level of respect. I'll be heartbroken. |
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