| Source: http://www.newser.com/story/44763/call-in-gay-wednesday-la-activists-say.html (AP) – Some same-sex marriage supporters are urging people to "call in gay" Wednesday to show how much the country relies on gays and lesbians, but others question whether it's wise to encourage skipping work given the United States' economic distress. Organizers of "Day Without a Gay" also are encouraging people to perform volunteer work and refrain from spending money, the AP reports. I just saw it on the news this morning and it was a cute idea. USA is too politically correct for most companies to say that you can't call in gay, so Californians! Protest~ Even if you don't agree with what they are doing! Free sick day :3~~ |
SetsumiDec 10, 2008 3:41 PM
| Sounds more like "let's get fired day." |
| I doubt more than 5% of people who actually do it will actually be fired. So~ Sounds like "Plate, some random website access user, doesn't feel like being creative day." |
Rikuna said: I doubt more than 5% of people who actually do it will actually be fired. So~ Sounds like "Plate, some random website access user, doesn't feel like being creative day." Right, because suddenly not going to your job won't make your employer realize that a) perhaps they don't need you or b) you're unreliable. Never had a job before, eh Rikuna? |
| Uh yeah.. 533,000 people in the US lost their jobs last MONTH. Chances are if you're in the workforce, you know one of them. I certainly do. >.> Even if you're useful and your job is needed, it won't necessarily save you. However, you shouldn't emphasize it. I support gay marriage, but would act in a more effective way. And wha? Those random 5% people are still 5%. Some of us like being able to pay the bills. |
Plate said: Rikuna said: I doubt more than 5% of people who actually do it will actually be fired. So~ Sounds like "Plate, some random website access user, doesn't feel like being creative day." Right, because suddenly not going to your job won't make your employer realize that a) perhaps they don't need you or b) you're unreliable. Never had a job before, eh Rikuna? Like I was told before, If you can't do your job right then there are plenty of other people who can. They are happy to fire you. Big company's often don't give jack shit about a few people and can replace you in a few seconds. "Day without a gay" Just gives them a chance to fire a gay's ass without allowing them to play the "Discrimination" card. Gay or not, If you can't do your job properly without allowing personal issues to conflict then you need to be fired. Either that or given a warning. Shit, If tried to call off work because I was straight I would get laughed at in the face THEN fired. Why should they get special treatment because of their sexual life? |
Rpgwiz said: Plate said: Rikuna said: I doubt more than 5% of people who actually do it will actually be fired. So~ Sounds like "Plate, some random website access user, doesn't feel like being creative day." Right, because suddenly not going to your job won't make your employer realize that a) perhaps they don't need you or b) you're unreliable. Never had a job before, eh Rikuna? Like I was told before, If you can't do your job right then there are plenty of other people who can. They are happy to fire you. Big company's often don't give jack shit about a few people and can replace you in a few seconds. "Day without a gay" Just gives them a chance to fire a gay's ass without allowing them to play the "Discrimination" card. Gay or not, If you can't do your job properly without allowing personal issues to conflict then you need to be fired. Either that or given a warning. Shit, If tried to call off work because I was straight I would get laughed at in the face THEN fired. Why should they get special treatment because of their sexual life? Exactly. You can't fire them for being gay, but this just gives an excellent chance to fire them for other reasons. And so long as there is one other reason, like not showing up, it's not discrimination. ...did removing the numbers from your name make you smarter? D: |
to show how much the country relies on gays and lesbians lol ya okay. |
| Yeah. This really is not a good idea. Who the hell comes up with these things? That is just asking to be fired. Razma said: to show how much the country relies on gays and lesbians lol ya okay. Seeing how gays and lesbians together make up only about 2-7% of the population, the group really ain't making the biggest impact when it comes to job allocations. So, yeah, okay, whatever. If you wanna get fired, be my guest, makes it easier for the many people that need a job to get one. |
| We had something very similar like this in California a few years back, except with Hispanics. All the Hispanics with good jobs ignored the "holiday" and went to work anyways, a decent portion of Hispanics got fired from their jobs, but overall, in the words of my father; "There really wasn't any difference today...except the roads were a lot less congested. It was nice. I wish they would do this more often." |
| Gay people, this is why, nice things, etc. |
| Gay people sure are whiny. This might work better if they were arguing for increased pay not marriage. |
| they cannot be fired. i believe there is such a holy thing called the work contract? anyway, this is pretty awsome, i support their initiative. |
Sohei said: they cannot be fired. i believe there is such a holy thing called the work contract? anyway, this is pretty awsome, i support their initiative. This is America, not Northern Europe. |
Sohei said: they cannot be fired. i believe there is such a holy thing called the work contract? Can't get fired for refusing to go to work? Where can I get in on that. |
moush said: Sohei said: they cannot be fired. i believe there is such a holy thing called the work contract? Can't get fired for refusing to go to work? Where can I get in on that. well i know that where i live, if you're fired while your work contract is still valid, then you get a year of free pay. |
| Anybody hired in an at-will contract can be fired for any reason, any time, without the employer having to state the reason. Such is America. Anyway...I don't know how effective this is going to be, and I think too many people treasure their jobs right now to actually do it. Plus, there would be some businesses that would not be able to operate XD However, I fully support the day of silence, and think that those wanting to protest prop h8 should focus on that. |
ScrumYummy said: Anybody hired in an at-will contract can be fired for any reason, any time, without the employer having to state the reason. Such is America. What's wrong with that? If someone owns a business they should have the right to hire and fire employees as they please... just as people should be allowed to apply and quit as they please. I personally think gay people should stop whining about every little thing. Maybe people don't like them because they're tired of hearing the same old shit, not because they're actually gay... Annoying and ungrateful, pathetic representations of how humans will complain and say they're treated unfairly no matter how good a life they have. At least some gay people have some sense and don't bother with this kind of crap. Why can't they have an indefinite day of silence, so we don't have to hear about it anymore? |
| As someone who doesn't pick up money when they drop it, I still don't think it is a big deal if they call in gay. (And if they lose their job, they were probably on minimum wage anyways and had poor work skills/behavior). Chances are - the ones who get fired because of it were bad workers anyways. The rest are probably established in their job. |
ShaolinRibiero said: We had something very similar like this in California a few years back, except with Hispanics. All the Hispanics with good jobs ignored the "holiday" and went to work anyways, a decent portion of Hispanics got fired from their jobs, but overall, in the words of my father; "There really wasn't any difference today...except the roads were a lot less congested. It was nice. I wish they would do this more often." I remember that! My school was a total ghost town, it was a little weird. Instead of taking the day off, they should just wear something fabulous to work. |
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hikky said: I personally think gay people should stop whining about every little thing. Maybe people don't like them because they're tired of hearing the same old shit, not because they're actually gay... Annoying and ungrateful, pathetic representations of how humans will complain and say they're treated unfairly no matter how good a life they have. At least some gay people have some sense and don't bother with this kind of crap. Why can't they have an indefinite day of silence, so we don't have to hear about it anymore? Oh, wow, you don't even know any gays. It's very obvious. XD Maybe they will stop "whining" when they have equal rights, and no, they don't have "the good life." You've never had to come out, so you have absolutely no idea what it's like. We don't live in a society where homosexuality is acceptable (America as a whole), and having to hide such a major aspect of your life is really difficult. Not to mention that being homosexual also means that you are a target for hate. Particularly for high school students. So, yes, I advocate "whining" until something is done, because something NEEDS TO BE DONE. What you just said, it's like being in the midst of the civil rights movement and telling black people to "shut up about it already." MotokoAramaki said: Instead of taking the day off, they should just wear something fabulous to work. YES |
hikky said: There are both good and bad points to that. The bad is that there is no such thing as job security at all these days. Our grandparents could actually put time into a company and retire there if they remained loyal and did their job. Obviously that is laughable these days.ScrumYummy said: What's wrong with that? If someone owns a business they should have the right to hire and fire employees as they please... just as people should be allowed to apply and quit as they please.Anybody hired in an at-will contract can be fired for any reason, any time, without the employer having to state the reason. Such is America. I know a bunch of people in their late 40's, with kids, who put in 15+ years with the large Fortune 500 company, that were just let go on pure speculation. Hardly a good reason. Such is unstable America. It doesn't reward good, hard work at all, thus why bother? It breeds a more desperate, unstable environment even for the ones left behind. Because they are axed next when the company has its next knee jerk reaction. |
ScrumYummy said: Particularly for high school students. i don't believe that. i think my school's american football team had gay orgies. anyway, more seriously now, i cannot understand why you can call this whining. A minority is being excluded from marrying, how is that whining? Should people accept that they cannot marry, with all the legal issues coming into play afterwards? edit: by the way, if somebody in california had a gay marriage in a country where that is legal (or state), would that mean that the marriage would be accepted by the californian state? |
ScrumYummy said: Particularly for high school students. Believe it! One of my friends is gay and has a beautiful singing voice. He was chosen to sing the nation anthem and someone yelled "Fag!". Maybe your school is a little more lenient, but saying that all schools are is just silly. Think about all the schools in the mid-west or the south. I can tell you now, they're not so accepting. |
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Rikuna said: Seriously? Do you know ANYONE in the workforce? Everything is wrong there.As someone who doesn't pick up money when they drop it, I still don't think it is a big deal if they call in gay. (And if they lose their job, they were probably on minimum wage anyways and had poor work skills/behavior). Chances are - the ones who get fired because of it were bad workers anyways. The rest are probably established in their job. |
Sohei said: i don't believe that. i think my school's american football team had gay orgies. I see that you have never gone to American high school. |
shinkeikaku said: Rikuna said: Seriously? Do you know ANYONE in the workforce? Everything is wrong there.As someone who doesn't pick up money when they drop it, I still don't think it is a big deal if they call in gay. (And if they lose their job, they were probably on minimum wage anyways and had poor work skills/behavior). Chances are - the ones who get fired because of it were bad workers anyways. The rest are probably established in their job. Sorry, I am already set for life through my dad's hard work, so I cannot feel the squeeze of the economy like most. If it were me - I'd skip work, but I never have to get a job and I don't live in California. |
MotokoAramaki said: Believe it! One of my friends is gay and has a beautiful singing voice. He was chosen to sing the nation anthem and someone yelled "Fag!". Maybe your school is a little more lenient, but saying that all schools are is just silly. Think about all the schools in the mid-west or the south. I can tell you now, they're not so accepting. I'm not that ignorant (although ignorance is bliss.. damn i want to be ignorant again). Of course i know that gay discrimination is bad in certain places, i wouldn't stereotype such a matter, i thought people would see through that (no insult meant to you). But seriously, who cares when someone shouts fag? especially during a national anthem, it shows he is disrespecting his country. Anyway, most people take swear words too lightly these days, so the people insulted might aswell just ingore it. |
Plate said: Sohei said: i don't believe that. i think my school's american football team had gay orgies. I see that you have never gone to American high school. our HS's class presidant was openly gay. Loved to go around and kiss girls ;) (gave me the flu once that bastard!) Thats the liberal north east for you. It really depends on where you are. |
Sohei said: MotokoAramaki said: Believe it! One of my friends is gay and has a beautiful singing voice. He was chosen to sing the nation anthem and someone yelled "Fag!". Maybe your school is a little more lenient, but saying that all schools are is just silly. Think about all the schools in the mid-west or the south. I can tell you now, they're not so accepting. I'm not that ignorant (although ignorance is bliss.. damn i want to be ignorant again). Of course i know that gay discrimination is bad in certain places, i wouldn't stereotype such a matter, i thought people would see through that (no insult meant to you). But seriously, who cares when someone shouts fag? especially during a national anthem, it shows he is disrespecting his country. Anyway, most people take swear words too lightly these days, so the people insulted might aswell just ingore it. While we're on the subject of anecdotal evidence, my best friend in high school was gay and nearly lost his left eye in a fight. And he didn't even do anything other than exist. Rikuna said: Sorry, I am already set for life through my dad's hard work, so I cannot feel the squeeze of the economy like most. If it were me - I'd skip work, but I never have to get a job and I don't live in California. My dad makes 300 grand a year but that doesn't make me ignorant. |
Aarana said: Wow, that would never fly down here in the Bible Belt.our HS's class presidant was openly gay. Loved to go around and kiss girls ;) (gave me the flu once that bastard!) Thats the liberal north east for you. It really depends on where you are. |
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Rikuna said: You don't have to have a job to understand what's going on around you. Read a newspaper (online of course..lol), talk to people. Do you have friends and relatives not living off someone else's money? Do they have jobs? Do they feel stable in them? Ask them if they'd call in even if they had a "5%" chance of getting fired while still not proving anything or furthering a cause.Sorry, I am already set for life through my dad's hard work, so I cannot feel the squeeze of the economy like most. If it were me - I'd skip work, but I never have to get a job and I don't live in California. Plate said: Yes, this. Thank you. >.>My dad makes 300 grand a year but that doesn't make me ignorant. |
| FUCKYEAH, FIGHT THE POWAH. IMFO. Not the best way to do it though, but oh well. FIGHT IT ANYWAY! Fucking homophobic dumbfucks. |
Plate said: While we're on the subject of anecdotal evidence, my best friend in high school was gay and nearly lost his left eye in a fight. And he didn't even do anything other than exist. an eye for an eye. go beat the guys up who beat him up. power is authority. If you do not display power, you will get trampled over. but whatever, im not thinking right now, my argument is weak. bla. |
| I support the "wear something fabulous." And while anecdotes are being thrown around, when I was in high school, there was the Day of Silence, which was all good and dandy. But then the day after, there is some sort of counter to the day of silence... The Day of Truth. There were many more Day of Truth participants than the Day of Silence. I raged for a long time. The most prominent T-shirt was "There's freedom to change if you want to." |
ScrumYummy said: Oh, wow, you don't even know any gays. It's very obvious. XD I hardly know anyone. That doesn't have anything to do with it. Maybe they will stop "whining" when they have equal rights, and no, they don't have "the good life." You've never had to come out, so you have absolutely no idea what it's like. We don't live in a society where homosexuality is acceptable (America as a whole), and having to hide such a major aspect of your life is really difficult. Not to mention that being homosexual also means that you are a target for hate. Particularly for high school students. For all intensive purposes, gay people have equal rights. Marriage is the only thing they're restricted from (maybe military service if they can't comply with don't ask don't tell, but it's not like many gay people want to join the military anyway), and marriage is not something that warrants the level of complaints they have. Gay people went from getting their ass ripped open with a metal pear to not being able to legally call themselves married in just a few hundred years, and they're complaining louder than ever currently. Everyone deals with social hardships. I don't see a coalition of ugly people creating a day of silence for themselves. The world is not fair, it is never going to be fair, and you need to understand that. You can not force a kind and polite attitude down society's throat. You can not make people accept you against their will. So, yes, I advocate "whining" until something is done, because something NEEDS TO BE DONE. What you just said, it's like being in the midst of the civil rights movement and telling black people to "shut up about it already." The worst possible way to get people on board with you is to kick and scream like a 5 year old. You only fan the flames, and create a position of opposition. If you've ever heard a debate, you know how it ends.. neither side will ever admit that the other side is right. Black people actually lived much more difficult lives before the civil rights movement. They weren't just nitpicking about a couple issues that didn't heavily affect their daily lives. Black people who still complain that society is racist today are like the gay people we're talking about. shinkeikaku said: hikky said: There are both good and bad points to that. The bad is that there is no such thing as job security at all these days. Our grandparents could actually put time into a company and retire there if they remained loyal and did their job. Obviously that is laughable these days.ScrumYummy said: What's wrong with that? If someone owns a business they should have the right to hire and fire employees as they please... just as people should be allowed to apply and quit as they please.Anybody hired in an at-will contract can be fired for any reason, any time, without the employer having to state the reason. Such is America. I know a bunch of people in their late 40's, with kids, who put in 15+ years with the large Fortune 500 company, that were just let go on pure speculation. Hardly a good reason. Such is unstable America. It doesn't reward good, hard work at all, thus why bother? It breeds a more desperate, unstable environment even for the ones left behind. Because they are axed next when the company has its next knee jerk reaction. You don't deserve job security if you are not the best for the job. That's just charity. It's the company's prerogative to let people go if they think it is hindering their functionality as a business. You get desperate and unstable when you're trying to sustain a life that is above your means. |
hikkyDec 9, 2008 12:09 PM
"Day without a Gay" XD. Best name ever. It'd be neat if this were effective, but I'm going to be skeptical and say that it's going to do nothing at all - at best. |
Sohei said: Plate said: While we're on the subject of anecdotal evidence, my best friend in high school was gay and nearly lost his left eye in a fight. And he didn't even do anything other than exist. an eye for an eye. go beat the guys up who beat him up. power is authority. If you do not display power, you will get trampled over. but whatever, im not thinking right now, my argument is weak. bla. Generally, one would get expelled for fighting back. Which I think is silly, but meh. lizguana said: I support the "wear something fabulous." I think perpetuating the gay = fabulous stereotype might be a little counterproductive. |
Plate said: I think perpetuating the gay = fabulous stereotype might be a little counterproductive. Oh, you're completely right. But I'm all for it anyway. Because, as a lesbian, I couldn't really care less if I can get married. You can't force tolerance on people. I am much more concerned about being able to pay for my healthcare. |
| I wonder how many straight people will call in gay just to get a day off work... |
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Rikuna said: shinkeikaku said: Rikuna said: Seriously? Do you know ANYONE in the workforce? Everything is wrong there.As someone who doesn't pick up money when they drop it, I still don't think it is a big deal if they call in gay. (And if they lose their job, they were probably on minimum wage anyways and had poor work skills/behavior). Chances are - the ones who get fired because of it were bad workers anyways. The rest are probably established in their job. Sorry, I am already set for life through my dad's hard work, so I cannot feel the squeeze of the economy like most. If it were me - I'd skip work, but I never have to get a job and I don't live in California. This explains everything. |
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hikky said: ScrumYummy said: Oh, wow, you don't even know any gays. It's very obvious. XD I hardly know anyone. That doesn't have anything to do with it. Really? Because your social skills are top-notch. Seriously, you're an ACE. Your opinion on this issue is gold. hikky said: For all intensive purposes, gay people have equal rights. No they don't. Fact. hikky said: I don't see a coalition of ugly people creating a day of silence for themselves. People can do things to make themselves more attractive. You can't choose to not be gay. hikky said: The worst possible way to get people on board with you is to kick and scream like a 5 year old. Okay, so, there is this thing called "protesting." Here is the dictionary definition: protest (v) : to make a strong objection; to affirm something "how dare you, I protest!" (n) : a formal objection, especially one by a group; a collective gesture of disapproval, sometimes violent People protest when they are unhappy and want to change the world around them. Famous protests of note: The French Revolution The Civil Rights Movement The Strawberry Statement |
hikky said: See, that's the thing. You can be the best at the job and a great employee, but it doesn't really matter. They will fire you, shove your job on someone else (who still has their own job to do), and they will do a meh job and hopefully squeek by whatever checks there are. And that's what I call unstable. It sorta gets the job done, but you lose some competitive edge. The people who lay you off in big companies are HR, not your boss. They know nothing about your fabulous skills.You don't deserve job security if you are not the best for the job. That's just charity. It's the company's prerogative to let people go if they think it is hindering their functionality as a business. You get desperate and unstable when you're trying to sustain a life that is above your means. Sustaining a life "above your means" has nothing to do it. I certainly live within my means and even below, and it's unrelated to the status of your employment. I don't think most who work can pay even their reasonable bills if they didn't have a job at all. A good goal is to aim to pay off stuff if you were either on unemployment for a short period of time or can handle being out of work for ~3 months. |
shinkeikakuDec 9, 2008 12:24 PM
lizguana said: Plate said: I think perpetuating the gay = fabulous stereotype might be a little counterproductive. Oh, you're completely right. But I'm all for it anyway. Because, as a lesbian, I couldn't really care less if I can get married. You can't force tolerance on people. I am much more concerned about being able to pay for my healthcare. If marriage was just a religious institution and not a legal one, which did not imbue rights, I'd be fine. However, sometimes it is necessary, from a legal standpoint, to be able to refer to your partner as family as opposed to some person who lives with you. For something so simple as hospital visitation rights, to something like child custody. If you adopt a kid and you die, your partner will not get it, it will go up for adoption. That's not right. |
Plate said: If marriage was just a religious institution and not a legal one, which did not imbue rights, I'd be fine. However, sometimes it is necessary, from a legal standpoint, to be able to refer to your partner as family as opposed to some person who lives with you. For something so simple as hospital visitation rights, to something like child custody. If you adopt a kid and you die, your partner will not get it, it will go up for adoption. That's not right. Precisely! Marriage as a legal institution is a necessity for families and life partners. That is why this is a horrible right to deny someone. Speaking of which, did anybody watch the series finale of Boston Legal? (relates to topic) |
Plate said: I see that you have never gone to American high school. you're right. I went to an international high school in Thailand, Germany, Australia and France, where usually a minimum of 40% was American. Am i entitled to make an assumption from that? Plate said: Generally, one would get expelled for fighting back. Which I think is silly, but meh. and one wouldn't for fighting in the first place? edit: which states in America actually allow gay marriages? |
ScrumYummy said: hikky said: ScrumYummy said: Oh, wow, you don't even know any gays. It's very obvious. XD I hardly know anyone. That doesn't have anything to do with it. Really? Because your social skills are top-notch. Seriously, you're an ACE. Your opinion on this issue is gold. What does this discussion have to do with social skills? My social skills are awful, but again, I don't see how that's relevant. ScrumYummy said: hikky said: For all intensive purposes, gay people have equal rights. No they don't. Fact. The earth is flat. Fact. ScrumYummy said: People can do things to make themselves more attractive. You can't choose to not be gay.  She doesn't believe you. And gay people aren't forced to be openly gay. If you lived in some deep south town, you probably wouldn't be too open about not being religious. That's just how it works some times, what are you going to do? Again, you can't force people to like you or agree with you. ScrumYummy said: Okay, so, there is this thing called "protesting." Here is the dictionary definition: protest (v) : to make a strong objection; to affirm something "how dare you, I protest!" (n) : a formal objection, especially one by a group; a collective gesture of disapproval, sometimes violent People protest when they are unhappy and want to change the world around them. Famous protests of note: The French Revolution The Civil Rights Movement The Strawberry Statement Wow thanks for that, I had never heard of protesting before! I had no idea what it is! I always thought those hordes of people were just to get on the news and block traffic! |
Sohei said: Plate said: I see that you have never gone to American high school. you're right. I went to an international high school in Thailand, Germany, Australia and France, where usually a minimum of 40% was American. Am i entitled to make an assumption from that? Plate said: Generally, one would get expelled for fighting back. Which I think is silly, but meh. and one wouldn't for fighting in the first place? edit: which states in America actually allow gay marriages? I wouldn't say you can make an assumption from that, the culture of Americans outside of the US is far different from that in the states itself. And then you have to consider what demographics would even go to such a school. Sure, typically you can get expelled (or at least suspended) for fighting, as well as fighting back. It's legal in Massachusetts and Connecticut, so 2/50. |
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