Shingeki no Kyojin Episode 6 Discussion

Darklight0303 said:

This is not Suisei no Gargantia. There is no fanservice in this series

Amarrez said:


Oh no, I'm going to be late to Eoten Elementary!

StopDropAndBowl said:

Not a whole lot of character development either. Go figure.

GuiltyKing said:
I haven't read the whole discussion, nor do I plan to, but anyone saying that there is no character development in SnK severely lacks reading comprehension.

I'm talking about the manga, mind you, since it's way too early for the anime to be saying such a thing.

Pusswookie said:

Ok, I genuinely find it confusing that anyone thinks that you need to slap muscles on a girl to make her a strong female character. The outright visibility of her muscles is a superficial aspect; they don't make her a strong female character, her actions do. Besides, women are literally not built in such a way that encourages large muscle growth. At any rate, subtle abs that appear under physical duress [when they're used basically] I understand. 24 hour rippling bodybuilder abs on the other hand, is kind of scary.
Now, I don't know if they've done that with Mikasa [and frankly, I don't really care], as the only manga picture with her having defined abs is in a combat situation, so suppose I'll just have to withhold judgement until the beach episode.

@antonn Yes.

GuiltyKing said:
I haven't read the whole discussion, nor do I plan to, but anyone saying that there is no character development in SnK severely lacks reading comprehension.

I'm talking about the manga, mind you, since it's way too early for the anime to be saying such a thing.

StopDropAndBowl said:

6 episodes is over 2 hours of run-time. It's also about a 1/4th of the show. Telling me they can't fit in character development in more time than most movies get is a bit ridiculous.

Cassablanca has a run-time of 102 minutes. 6 episodes at about 18 minutes (of actual anime)is 108 minutes total. They've had more time than one of the greatest movies ever made to develop their characters and they still haven't... that is a flaw.

Darklight0303 said:


ARe you seriously using old movies as a comparison for an adaptation of an ONGOING series?

StopDropAndBowl said:

6 episodes is over 2 hours of run-time. It's also about a 1/4th of the show. Telling me they can't fit in character development in more time than most movies get is a bit ridiculous.

Cassablanca has a run-time of 102 minutes. 6 episodes at about 18 minutes (of actual anime)is 108 minutes total. They've had more time than one of the greatest movies ever made to develop their characters and they still haven't... that is a flaw.

Appel_stroop said:
Yes but Shingeki no Kyojin's material is supposed to be divided over a greater period of time than Cassablanca's (I'm talking actual screentime here) so it's not really fair to compare the two. For all we know SnK is currently at 1/20th of its entire story, which makes it acceptable for there to be no character development yet, since that'd be like saying Cassablanca has a flaw for not having major development after 5 minutes and 24 seconds.

Though on a personal level I would have preferred some development too by now.

StopDropAndBowl said:

6 episodes is over almost 2 hours of run-time. It's also about a 1/4th of the show. Telling me they can't fit in character development in more time than most movies get is a bit ridiculous.

Cassablanca has a run-time of 102 minutes. 6 episodes at about 18 minutes (of actual anime) is 108 minutes total. They've had more time than one of the greatest movies ever made to develop their characters and they still haven't... that is a flaw.

StopDropAndBowl said:
The point still stands however that it is not impossible for them to already be well on their way to establishing and developing these characters. The pace they are setting for that has been slower than frozen molasses so far. It's not ridiculous to suggest that they should have already begun revealing depth by now, especially since they've already begun the culling process. The problem with taking forever to develop characters is that it leaves the viewer emotionally empty when said characters die or appear to die or get hurt.

The problem with your statement of comparing 1/20th to 1/20th is that the difference in ratio is not as relevant as the difference in actual run-time. No one could be blamed for not establishing characters and developing them in a five minute period. You can be blamed for not doing so in a two hour period.

Let's use a book series as an example: 1/20th of the way through a 14-book series is about 3/4ths of a book, maybe a little more. If you haven't begun developing your characters 3/4ths of the way through your first book, regardless of how long you plan this series to be, you've made a mistake. Hence, when the comparison is longer: the ratio works and still supports my point. When the comparison is shorter, run-time does the same.

Jaimes said:



Don't get this in the wrong way, but i'm pretty sure the problem lies with you.

Characterization and personal growth is the name of the game here. SnK is shock full of it since ep. 1 and i can't believe how you're missing everything.

This flashback alone shed some light on why Eren has this insane streak, his hotheadness, and how Mikasa came to be how she is up to this point.

Armin, a weak minded child, but he knows it and still has his pride. Watch all the episodes and see him reject everyone trying to help him stand. The characterization, the motivation is there for everyone wiling to see it.

But if these 6 episodes didn't showed that to you, i wouldn't bother with the rest if i where you. Or, you should re-think the meaning you give the word "characterization".

Jaimes said:


Don't get this in the wrong way, but i'm pretty sure the problem lies with you.

Characterization and personal growth is the name of the game here. SnK is shock full of it since ep. 1 and i can't believe how you're missing everything.

This flashback alone shed some light on why Eren has this insane streak, his hotheadness, and how Mikasa came to be how she is up to this point.

Armin, a weak minded child, but he knows it and still has his pride. Watch all the episodes and see him reject everyone trying to help him stand. The characterization, the motivation is there for everyone wiling to see it.

But if these 6 episodes didn't showed that to you, i wouldn't bother with the rest if i where you. Or, you should re-think the meaning you give the word "characterization".

Darklight0303 said:

And this is coming from the same guy who praised SnG's subtlety yet he can't read the development in SnK. I sense double standards.

StopDropAndBowl said:

Eren is hot-headed, impulsive, and has a violent streak. His goals are to eliminate the Titans and see the outside world. This was established in episode 1. Thus far we've moved beyond that into: he now hates the Titans even more, and is even more violent, impulsive, hot-headed than originally presumed. That isn't a lot of character development. It's just reiterating what was established in the first episode. Of course there has been some depth added, I never said there wasn't, just that the depth has been very light and pretty shallow compared to what could have been.

The Armin development and Mikasa development are largely the same. We get a perfectly good establishment in the first episode, followed by a reiteration of that establishment in the next 4 episodes, followed by a bit of depth in the last two episodes. Establishment =/= development. By this time we should have a much deeper understanding of their characters than we did in episode 2, but we don't.

I'm not saying this is some huge, deal-breaking flaw. Just that it is a pretty clear flaw IMO; it has taken away from some of the enjoyment and emotional investment that could have occurred. I still like the show and am interested in it, it is still a good show so far, just flawed.


Not that I really want to get into a discussion of that show on this thread, but in SnG, we already have character growth and evolution. I'm not even holding SnK to that standard; I'm just asking for some depth.

NNick said:
Just watched 1-6 EP.
For some reason this show reminds me The Last Airbender, perhaps Ba Sing Se.


Don't have the patience, could anyone spoil me the whole show?

NNick said:
Could you spoil me how this show ends?
I don't really care for the spoilers, I'm not planning on following this show anyway.

Louchan said:

First of all, I said physically strong.
Second, women having to work harder than men in order to build muscle does not make women with muscles unnatural like you said in an earlier post.
I'm sorry your manhood and boner feel so threatened by Mikasa's awesome abs.

NNick said:
Anyways, Earthbenders > Titans.

StopDropAndBowl said:

Eren is hot-headed, impulsive, and has a violent streak. His goals are to eliminate the Titans and see the outside world. This was established in episode 1. Thus far we've moved beyond that into: he now hates the Titans even more, and is even more violent, impulsive, hot-headed than originally presumed. That isn't a lot of character development. It's just reiterating what was established in the first episode. Of course there has been some depth added, I never said there wasn't, just that the depth has been very light and pretty shallow compared to what could have been.

The Armin development and Mikasa development are largely the same. We get a perfectly good establishment in the first episode, followed by a reiteration of that establishment in the next 4 episodes, followed by a bit of depth in the last two episodes. Establishment =/= development. By this time we should have a much deeper understanding of their characters than we did in episode 2, but we don't.

I'm not saying this is some huge, deal-breaking flaw. Just that it is a pretty clear flaw IMO; it has taken away from some of the enjoyment and emotional investment that could have occurred. I still like the show and am interested in it, it is still a good show so far, just flawed.


Not that I really want to get into a discussion of that show on this thread, but in SnG, we already have character growth and evolution. I'm not even holding SnK to that standard; I'm just asking for some depth.

Pusswookie said:

I'm sorry that you have a fetish for women that you're unlikely to find.
You know why? Cause it's unnatural :D

Alright, despite the fact that you've insulted my immaculate manhood, I'm still going to try and explain myself here: For starters, there are a myriad of male characters who are physically strong in anime yet lack tacked on muscles [possibly due to the fact that the Japanese standard for male beauty and masculinity isn't the "rugged" manly man that it is in the west], so it's hardly a double standard or anything. Secondly, I actually went out of my way to provide you with 3 pictures; one showing what I meant by unnatural, the second showing how women typically look with abs, and the third being a woman who is more along the lines of how the manga portrays Mikasa, albeit flexing a little.

Lastly, yes, women having to put more effort into having defined abs than men does mean that, technically, it is unnatural [though atypical would probably be better]. If it doesn't occur naturally, then guess what? It's un-fucking-natural.
If such muscle growth requires comparatively more effort than their male counterparts, then that obviously means that it isn't encouraged by their physiology; like how men are oftentimes [there are, of course, exceptions for both sides] less flexible than women.

At any rate, I didn't say that women with muscles were abnormal [or even unattractive], I said that women with rippling rock hard abs were. If you disagree with that, then you didn't have to be such a dick about it. By the way, it's bad that you instantly assume that unnatural = undesirable [though, in this particular case, that does apply to me].

TL:DR Basically what I'm saying is that such musculature isn't congruent to the build of your typical female [which, in and of itself, isn't inherently bad], whereas you're interpreting my words as something along the lines of: "Witchcraft, burn it!"

nryn99 said:

well in shingeki no kyojin, they are doing 3d maneuvers and is slicing the back of a titan's neck.
and she's a top student. way better than the rest. it's even more unnatural for her not to develop muscles at all.

now i'm not an expert on muscle growth so i can't tell if abs were really developed if you constantly use the 3d maneuver gear, but since she's building muscles and stamina, she must have done some curl ups in the past.

Pusswookie said:

Oh yeah she'd definitely have a strong midsection, considering what's required of 3D maneuver operators, I just doubt that she'd have...actually nevermind. I can't find any pictures of women with really cut abs that aren't kind of unfair to use. She'd definitely have abs [technically speaking, most do to some extent, it's usually just a matter of losing body fat to expose them], it's just that they'd likely manifest themselves in a different way then say, someone of the cover of Men's Health magazine.

I imagine that she might have a bit of this going on though, given her incredibly rigorous training:


Really it's just when they start getting veiny that it gets to be a bit too much, you know?

nryn99 said:

hmmm, let me see, does that female you used in your example could:
1. use 3d maneuver gear
2. kill titans
3. be the top of the class of titan killers?
4. considered one of the best titan killers among the remaining humans?

you can't compare mikasa who trains her body to kill titans to a normal woman who simply goes to gym a lot.

Pusswookie said:
Funny how you seem to think that the entirety of her Titan slaying skills are found in her midsection.

nryn99 said:

now i'm not an expert on muscle growth so i can't tell if abs were really developed if you constantly use the 3d maneuver gear, but since she's building muscles and stamina, she must have done some curl ups in the past.

Pusswookie said:

Though I'm sure there are exceptions, [most] women can't get bodybuilder abs without...chemical interference. The picture that I put there [just for you] was actually on the high side of what's naturally achievable [via a life of martial training].

Pusswookie said:

Umm, no I can't...because Titans aren't real.
That picture was to illustrate how she might look in real life [as opposed to the heavy lines drawn in the manga].

NNick said:
Anyways, Earthbenders > Titans.

NNick said:
Could you spoil me how this show ends?
I don't really care for the spoilers, I'm not planning on following this show anyway.

Samhiuy said:


Honestly you need to get out of the forums. Every single post I have seen by you is just plain biased and your refusal to accept anyone else's viewpoint of the matter is just stupid.

Like everything you said just make me facepalm and you think you're exactly right on everything. You think you're a movie director, creative writer and apparently a pro at writing a perfect story? Sorry you're not and if you are not going to listen to anyone else don't even bother posting. I don't like self-righteous bastards who post just so you can force others to agree with you. Look, you're not even looking like smartass, you just look plain dumb. Get your ass off the forum and stop posting here, we don't need you. Just shut up.

nryn99 said:





yeah, exceptions or rather circumstances. see how she broke the knife handle, the floor? at age 9. without training?
also she isn't training just because she want to, but she needs to. titans aren't exactly like bricks chopping with your bare hands. nor can you use martial arts on titans more than 5 times bigger than you are.
Dr. Jaeger is also checking up on Mikasa even though she hasn't shown any illness. and you'll know soon enough what Dr. Jaeger did to Eren.


I find these two statements contradictory, if you can't because titans aren't real, then howl did you come to the conclusion that she might look like that irl?

Pusswookie said:
Btw, is everyone sure that one of Mikasa's parents might not have had some sort of chronic condition, and that Jaegar was coming to check up on them instead? Or, if he was coming to check up on Mikasa, perhaps it was to see if she too had inherited said illness? Seems to me like he wasn't that kind of guy until after his wife died. "Stop dad! You haven't been the same since mom was killed!"

Fapdus said:
eren feels like a static character, one dimensional character. The time skip really didn't change his personality at all.

Mikasa is just a submissive mute with issues.

Tommk said:


Sockpuppet detected

Pusswookie said:

To be fair, that's because that was just my best guess. Those two statements are different though, because I was holding her to a real life standard, whereas you were holding real life girls to an anime standard; it's a subtle difference, but it is a difference.