Why do you suppose some FMA lovers hate FMA:B?

alexx_310 said:
I prefer that woman villain from FMA than Father.
Father just seemed kind of bland and left me with a bunch of Frodos.

RLinksoul said:


Sounds like you still carry some emotional Baggins from it.

alexx_310 said:



If Father had the power to stop alchemy, why didn't he do it against ed and every one else?

NeoAnkara said:
Isn't it because it was neutralised by Isbalan.

amichaaan said:
I havent seen FMAB and I don't want to because I heard it has a happy ending. As sad as I was at the end of FMA, part of me was glad that it didn't have a cliche happy ending, if it did I don't think I would have scored it as high. I think thtas the reason why some people don't like it.

amichaaan said:
I havent seen FMAB and I don't want to because I heard it has a happy ending. As sad as I was at the end of FMA, part of me was glad that it didn't have a cliche happy ending, if it did I don't think I would have scored it as high. I think that's the reason why some people don't like it.

DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
that isnt turning me off from watching it but yah hearing brotherhood has a happy ending.......well it just ruins things for me a bit, the series managed to pull off dark but hopeful but seeing it just say fuck it and go fro a happy as hell ending is really disappointing, then again its likely about the journey not the destination

DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
that isnt turning me off from watching it but yah hearing brotherhood has a happy ending.......well it just ruins things for me a bit, the series managed to pull off dark but hopeful but seeing it just say fuck it and go fro a happy as hell ending is really disappointing, then again its likely about the journey not the destination

CNile said:


It did have kind of a cliche ending, but the series as a whole was still really good and definitely worth watching. If you do end up watching it, as a fan of the original you'll hate the first season, but it gets much better after that.

alexx_310 said:
Why did Alchemy work for the Briggs soldiers if Father sealed in Ishval during the civil war?

alexx_310 said:
Why did Alchemy work for the Briggs soldiers if Father sealed in Ishval during the civil war?

NeoAnkara said:
Because the principle of Briggs alchemi is the same as Amestris. Meanwhile Ishval and Xingxe alchemist draw different power source than them.

alexx_310 said:


Ahh okay, I have a few more Frodos but I'll give it a rest.

mecharobot said:
Because it is a cliched shounen action fest and not a particularly good one at that either. Worst thing was the huge number of added useless filler characters.

IntroverTurtle said:
The first series was the one with filler characters, so I don't know what you're talking about.

mecharobot said:
Because it is a cliched shounen action fest and not a particularly good one at that either. Worst thing was the huge number of added useless filler characters.

Stocky said:
I'm almost finished FMA and am confused if I should watch FMA:B or not. Is it a similar story line that I would get bored of after watching FMA or is it different and will still excite me?

IntroverTurtle said:
They didn't just say fuck it, it worked with what happened. It was the first FMA's ending that didn't make any sense. You're forgetting that it was the 2003 version that strayed from the original story line, so it was the 2003 series that said fuck it lets make some edgy ending.

DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:


yah but it strayed really early on in its manga lifer and made a big complete story, The manga was barely off its feet when the anime diverged so tis not like it was giving it a dark and edgy ending, it was giving it a whole complete story, and many of those things they added were way better than what brotherhood did, such as lust and ed's character development which were non existent in brotherhood or how the original anime took more risks by taking darker turns and killing important people off on both the enemy and good guy's side while brotherhood played it safe and killed off hardly anyone on the good guy's side and made the heroes win way to much to the point where it just made the villains seem incompetent, which they were aside from bradly, especially father who was a lame villain in every way

Alfonse said:


How exactly were Nina's and Hughe's deaths better in BH? If by better, you mean rushed, then yes I can agree.

So? Was Winry x Ed something that absolutely needed to happen? Just because there's a girl and a boy, doesn't make it so that they have to be dating.

Also, you say that by sending him to another world, the ending is stupid. In writing, yes it does sound stupid, but the execution of it is actually done quite well. The original keeps in mind the law of equivalent exchange with its ending, you know: something that's been essentially the central theme of the entire show. BH just doesn't do this. They get a philosopher's stone and everyone's happy. It's just too cliched and fairy tale-driven to be an original ending.

IntroverTurtle said:
Yes the Xing people use the earth's energy through chi veins or whatever(popular in asian culture), while the Amestris say that theirs come from the energy of the tectonic plates.

Throw all your Frodos in here, they might turn out to be easily explainable.

IntroverTurtle said:
Wow a smart ass statement, you got me. Tell me how was it better in FMA? It wasn't rushed in Brotherhood, the art was better, the soundtrack fit better.

Pretending like I said it was something that needed to happen, only looking at the last sentence that was added as an extra. I never said they have to be dating, again. I put that in as that was something the first series lacked, romance between between those two.

You're right, it does sound stupid. And it is stupid. I think the execution of it was done crappily. How does Brotherhood use a philosopher's stone to make everyone happy? FMA was trying too hard with that ending, there was no way for them to conclude it properly so they just threw him in a portal hoping people would think it was so non cliche and edgy that they wouldn't notice that nothing was concluded. People surviving =/= cliche and fairy tail driven

Alfonse said:


It wasn't rushed? So Hughes death in the tenth episode was actually done well, even though they took almost no time to expand on his character? What about Nina where they just condensed everything to one episode? Hell, she barely has any screen time. She says "big brother Edward", for example in Brotherhood, but that has no bearing as she never called them that before. And we were supposed to feel sad about her death in BH? In the original Ed even tried to transmute Nina back to her original self, but couldn't because he realized it was impossible. Details like that really add to the characters, and BH just doesn't do that for the first couple of episodes. Not only that, but the fifth laboratory arc was extremely shortened in Brotherhood, making it seem almost pointless.

Except you listed that as one of you gripes about the series, and I only responded to it.

If I remember correctly, Ling gives them the philosopher's stone, and everyone's problems are fixed. It just doesn't seem to follow any sort of theme.
That's how YOU perceive the ending of the first series, not everyone else. It's an ending that makes you think, unlike BH's where everything was resolved and Winry and Ed get married. It's a bit too cliched. And the problem is the fact that they built up the ending so much, only to be shot down with something so mundane. Father was also a complete let-down after all that build up since they just made him another "I want to be God. Fear me" villain.

IntroverTurtle said:
Nope it wasn't rushed. They took plenty of time to show him and get the viewer attached. Yes Nina's scene was fine too. She did call him that in Brotherhood and even if she didnt, the fact that a chimera called him something like that would have given it away. Yes people felt bad for her in Brotherhood, including me. Didn't feel anything in FMA though. And in the end of Brotherhood, Ed realized and said that he's only a human partly because he couldn't even save her, that really adds to the characters, FMA didn't have that though.
it was plenty long in Brotherhood.

FMA also had all those filler arcs and filler characters, not that good either.

My point was that the thing you decided to pick at what was the last line of my whole entire post, something that was small. Something that I only added as an addon and not as my main argument. I don't have any problem with you doing it, but I wanted to point that out.

Untrue, you're just making stuff up. In the end Ling gets a stone.....after all the fights have finished as it was for him to become king. It didn't solve any problems as it was after the conflict and anything he did after that was after the story was done.

Yes that's what this whole thread is about, how YOU percieve the whole anime and whether YOU think it's overrated or not. As there is no true way to prove Brotherhood is overrated or underrated. Brotherhood's ending still makes you think, while everything was resolved(which is a good thing compared to sweeping all the problems in to a portal), you're still able to think about their future and the future of Ed and Al on their trip.
Cliche =/=bad and non cliche=/=good, it's all about how it does it and I believe Brotherhood does it 20x better than FMA. I think the ending was anything but mundane. Father wasn't a let down, having the main antagonist be a jealous woman is a let down.
And Father was a good character, one who sacrificed a whole civilization so he could get a body, manipulating them while being only in a flask. And he didn't want to become god, it was more like he wanted to be free of the restrictions god places on everyone so he can learn everything and go everywhere, which the only way to do that for him was to become god. And his final confrontation with God was great, an unforgettable scene.

Alfonse said:


Alright so I managed to finish the series again, and I will say I gave the series too less credit. It really is great and the ending was actually much better than I last remembered it. I can see why it's number one on mal.
The character development is also really good for most of the characters, and honestly giving up alchemy to get Al back is a good price to pay, I suppose.

However, as good as the show is, there were many, MANY suspension of disbelief and deux ex machina moments that made my eyes roll. But the same could be said of any action series, I guess.

But I do have some questions on certain aspects of the show, moreso the ending. These aren't plotholes that I'm pointing out but just some confusion that I have.

1) I'm still a bit confused as to what "God" Father absorbed? Was it the Truth (the white being beyond the gate)? It should be correct because Father asks why he didn't accept him.

2) How does Father lose his god-like ability? (When he uses his arm to block Ed's kick). Is it because of Hohenheim's souls that he placed around Amestris, causing Father to slowly lose his ability and then ultimately deny it?

3) Why did Hohenheim die at the end? Did he die on his own volition, or was it because his Philosopher's Stone was slowly losing its power (from the blasts from Father and all)?

4) The Homunculi that Father releases are to take away any negative aspects of a human so that he can be a perfect being. While this is fine for five of the seven sins, it isn't for Pride and Greed. Isn't trying to gain full knowledge from the world and become a God-like figure both Prideful and Greedy?

5) Why does Pride's container only allow him to go within Amestris and no where farther? May be a dumb question, but I don't understand, probably because I wasn't paying full attention when it was addressed

And that's it.

rockbot said:


Here are answers to 4 out of 5 questions.

Answer to #1 - Father opened the Gate of Truth belonging to the planet itself and absorbed a higher power which he thought was "God" into himself. The higher power itself was not "God."

Answer to #2 - You guessed right, Father lost his power because of Hohenheim's counterattack which consisted of him placing souls around Amestris. This act was foreshadowed in episode 36 where Hohenheim tears a soul from his body and places it onto the earth.

Answer to #3 - Hohenhiem died because his philosophers stone ran out of souls and his body was over 400 years old

Answer to #4 - I think it was said by Hohenheim that it is impossible for someone to fully rid himself of the seven desires. I think Father still had little traces of the desires especially Pride as it is the one desire that can never be erased as it is the sin that drives everyone.

IntroverTurtle said:
Haha, wow. I guess I don't have to answer all of those, I ate too slow. Actually his answers to number 1 and 4 were something I didn't fully know.
When was the answer to 1 revealed? I thought he did absorb god, but because of him losing all the souls, he wasn't able to hold it in. Though that would fit if he absorbed some other higher power like you said too.

And Alfonse, do you remember any of those dues ex machina moments?