Vinland Saga
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| THIS IS AN MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Ugh, that was brutal. More brutal than anything in Berserk or anything of that ilk. Its because Vinland Saga's atrocities are reality-based, whereas other manga usually are more fantastical. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| Yeah, definitely cringe-worthy. On another note, I love how Vinland Saga is (well I assume it is) historically accurate - or at least it comes across as being that way. It adds to the realism factor, and it makes you feel as though you can relate to it more in a way. |
| it's about 50% accurate or so.. |
Beatnik said: Ugh, that was brutal. More brutal than anything in Berserk or anything of that ilk. Its because Vinland Saga's atrocities are reality-based, whereas other manga usually are more fantastical. I totally agree, very brutal & very realistic is what makes it even worse....... |
| "Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. And some will lose more than the tips off their fingers, I promise you. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that" |
| Ouch! harsh... and that must've sucked to have been the girl who witnessed that slaughter... but I wonder why the leader of the Danes is a christian. I just thought of it but it makes no sense, I mean why would his mother have any say in his religion. |
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Pirating_Ninja said: Ouch! harsh... and that must've sucked to have been the girl who witnessed that slaughter... but I wonder why the leader of the Danes is a christian. I just thought of it but it makes no sense, I mean why would his mother have any say in his religion. |
| The whole village getting slaughtered and Thorfinn doesn't care,no expression. kinda funny he is the protagonist LoL |
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Beatnik said: Ugh, that was brutal. More brutal than anything in Berserk or anything of that ilk. Its because Vinland Saga's atrocities are reality-based, whereas other manga usually are more fantastical. Also, you have to know the ideology was different at that time. Human lives are not worth that much at that time, where survival of the fittest is everything. Compassion and love and all those concept only become prevalent when some of these basic survival needs are satisfied. So it was not really that shocking given the historical context. It is what it is... It's my own nihilistic view but once again, it's just an objective view on things. |
wakka9caJan 5, 2011 8:13 PM
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Berserk is way above epic... this manga cant even be compared to it. |
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| Excellent, excellent chapter. Gruesome and brutal, just like the Middle Ages were, specially if you were poor. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Oh god, that girl's innocence is gone |
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| Absolutely brutal but realistic. It saddens me that stuff like this occurred back then and still occurs even today. |
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| That was brutal. Wonder if we are ever to going to see that chick again. |
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| It would have sucked hard to be one of those villagers, just trying to get by and to have even that meager existence stolen from you. But I suppose that's just how the times were back then (and still are to some extent). |
Tenth said: The whole village getting slaughtered and Thorfinn doesn't care,no expression. kinda funny he is the protagonist LoL Haha you're right but I think this is still not as bad as when he glossed over the woman being gang raped in the shed |
| I understand people wanting to compare it to Berserk but I don't think the comparison makes any sense at all in this case. This chapter of Vinland saga might've been brutal but mostly because it is a realistic occurrence and we know that work is based on history (not too accurately but the point stands). We feel terrified because we know that something like this could happen in our reality / did happen in our history. The characters are supposed to be normal humans like us, which makes it that much more frightening when we have to wonder if we could commit those crimes or what would happen if we were attacked like this. When Berserk is brutal and terrifying (take the Eclipse as an example) it's almost always accompanied by the strong fantasy level and the author depicts everything artistically as something we don't see in reality (I'm talking about the countless demons, landscapes of hell etc.). There is a lot of exaggeration for the sake of visualization of feelings and in order to demonstrate the abstract horror but there are no blood pinatas or cheap mind numbing shallow tricks to get a rise out of the reader. It doesn't aim for realistic horror, so if you say it's better than Berserk because it's more brutal in your eyes, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. You CAN compare them, but they don't compete in the same category, so it'd be pointless to judge their overall quality by something like this. In general, Berserk is not just good because of the brutal and dark elements! Although part of the fanbase reduces it to that, you would be completely missing the point of Berserk and its story, if you were to dismiss it like that. |
| I really don't understand how people compare this to Berserk. The only comparison is how they both contain gore. |
| I kind of like how the protangist isn't a goody two shoes, while I don't think he's completely heartless since he doesn't participate in the atrocities himself. He definitely feel numb to everything going on around him. |
| The slaughtering of the village was so fucked up |
huntx said: i know you are talking about the anime, but its still hilarious how you said then then gave the berserk manga a 6 and this a 10, nothing against you just hilariousBerserk is way above epic... this manga cant even be compared to it. |
| Fucking breathtaking. |
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Beatnik said:
Ugh, that was brutal. More brutal than anything in Berserk or anything of that ilk. Its because Vinland Saga's atrocities are reality-based, whereas other manga usually are more fantastical.
Ugh, that was brutal. More brutal than anything in Berserk or anything of that ilk. Its because Vinland Saga's atrocities are reality-based, whereas other manga usually are more fantastical.
Also, you have to know the ideology was different at that time. Human lives are not worth that much at that time, where survival of the fittest is everything. Compassion and love and all those concept only become prevalent when some of these basic survival needs are satisfied.
So it was not really that shocking given the historical context. It is what it is... It's my own nihilistic view but once again, it's just an objective view on things.
| @wakka9ca wakka9ca said: Human lives are not worth that much at that time, where survival of the fittest is everything. No, it's not, survival of the fittest is not a medieval concept at all, it's a 19th century concept. wakka9ca said: Compassion and love and all those concept only become prevalent when some of these basic survival needs are satisfied. Nah, not really. IRL Thorkell the Tall switched sides by this point and converted to Christianity by this point due to his failure to prevent the death of a bishop whom his men killed when he went raiding over a drunken bet with Sweyn. He was not a wandering monster. People were real and had real feelings back then. Our focus on bad stuff is, in part, because it sticks out. |
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