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| Well, as usual, only one thing happened this episode, but damn...that was such a satisfying and seriously deserved ass kicking. |
Pettersson said: Zeally said: Massive unexplained plot holes that will never be explained like how exactly did Kirito re-materialize himself after being defeated in SAO by Kayaba. Why is Asuna even alive when she clearly died taking the hit for Kirito? Obviously by the power of love you silly hater/troll. Nah but seriously, my theory about why people like the love story of SAO is because there an ACTUAL relationship development(bad or not) compared to all these shitty harems nowdays that lowers the standards. Wants to be taken seriously. Calls SAO a harem. |
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| Lol @ Kirito maturing during the series. Fucking Yui had to remind that he had to save Asuna in this episode and he went for the childish "eye for an eye" approach when he already had administrator rights and could've just ended it in this very moment. He is a childish, egoistic dick that just wants to wank his e-penis and has SERIOUS mental problems. How anyone can like him is beyond me... |
| Jojolion anime when? |
| Seeing your girlfriend getting raped in your face, having a sword sticked into you while getting kicked to the face and knowing what he also did to your girlfriend and to you in two months, I'm sure you'll be so happy about it and you'll let him go, maybe helping him out too. Did we also mention that him dying in the game will not do much to his body? |
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Seeing your girlfriend getting raped in your face, having a sword sticked into you while getting kicked to the face and knowing what he also did to your girlfriend and to you in two months, I'm sure you'll be so happy about it and you'll let him go, maybe helping him out too. It may be understandable, but it's not the most mature choice. Immahnoob said: Did we also mention that him dying in the game will not do much to his body? And Asuna being raped inside a game won't do much to her body either. |
nnangle said: What are the chances of a second season, then? I'd say pretty good, SAO would probably be the most popular anime this season and they've got more novels to use as source material. I've just been under the assumption that a Season 2 WILL happen considering how many people eat it up. |
Immahnoob said: Pettersson said: Zeally said: Massive unexplained plot holes that will never be explained like how exactly did Kirito re-materialize himself after being defeated in SAO by Kayaba. Why is Asuna even alive when she clearly died taking the hit for Kirito? Obviously by the power of love you silly hater/troll. Nah but seriously, my theory about why people like the love story of SAO is because there an ACTUAL relationship development(bad or not) compared to all these shitty harems nowdays that lowers the standards. Wants to be taken seriously. Calls SAO a harem. Read more carefully, that is not what he said. |
Immahnoob said: Seeing your girlfriend getting raped in your face, having a sword sticked into you while getting kicked to the face and knowing what he also did to your girlfriend and to you in two months, I'm sure you'll be so happy about it and you'll let him go, maybe helping him out too. Did we also mention that him dying in the game will not do much to his body? The point is that Kirito should've learned from Sachi's death that his own arrogance and egoism is what harms the people around him yet in the most crucial moment he changes his priorities from saving his goddamn girl to owning the antagonist after he gave him access to some of the best equipment in this game. Not to mention humiliating him in the net will anger him even more irl where HE actually has more power than him. He doesn't really want to help others because he is so kind, he only wants to stroke his fucking ego. Pathetic. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
SetsukoHara said: Seeing your girlfriend getting raped in your face, having a sword sticked into you while getting kicked to the face and knowing what he also did to your girlfriend and to you in two months, I'm sure you'll be so happy about it and you'll let him go, maybe helping him out too. It may be understandable, but it's not the most mature choice. Immahnoob said: Did we also mention that him dying in the game will not do much to his body? And Asuna being raped inside a game won't do much to her body either. When I said body, I meant "body" as both psychologically AND physically, She was in a death game for 2 years and 3 months (if you also add ALO), mentally, she'd get broken, completely. And LOL at it being the "not being the most mature choice", what the fuck? It makes it the best choice in the situation and it doesn't make it either "mature" or "immature", as I'm sure an "adult" would have done the same. SetsukoHara said: Immahnoob said: Pettersson said: Zeally said: Massive unexplained plot holes that will never be explained like how exactly did Kirito re-materialize himself after being defeated in SAO by Kayaba. Why is Asuna even alive when she clearly died taking the hit for Kirito? Obviously by the power of love you silly hater/troll. Nah but seriously, my theory about why people like the love story of SAO is because there an ACTUAL relationship development(bad or not) compared to all these shitty harems nowdays that lowers the standards. Wants to be taken seriously. Calls SAO a harem. Read more carefully, that is not what he said. He implied it, hands down. Nidhoeggr said: Immahnoob said: Seeing your girlfriend getting raped in your face, having a sword sticked into you while getting kicked to the face and knowing what he also did to your girlfriend and to you in two months, I'm sure you'll be so happy about it and you'll let him go, maybe helping him out too. Did we also mention that him dying in the game will not do much to his body? The point is that Kirito should've learned from Sachi's death that his own arrogance and egoism is what harms the people around him yet in the most crucial moment he changes his priorities from saving his goddamn girl to owning the antagonist after he gave him access to some of the best equipment in this game. Not to mention humiliating him in the net will anger him even more irl where HE actually has more power than him. He doesn't really want to help others because he is so kind, he only wants to stroke his fucking ego. Pathetic. And you're repeating the argument, and it's obvious I'll use the same argument. |
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| Of course, what else is to say? All the potential character development Kirito could've undergone during the series went straight out of the window here. When the author wrote this scene he basically said "Fuck it. Childish revenge fantasy fulfillment > characterization" which is really disappointing. Why not have him remove Sugou's logout button instead and leave him in the dark for a while? 1) They'd have all the time in the world to gather enough data (Kirito has admin rights, after all) and present Asuna's father with evidence, strongly strenghtening their role offline. 2) It'd show the audience that Sugou is helpless without his power far better than a simple beatdown as he, unlike Kirito who has friends who support him, is unable to log out on and is trapped in his own fantasy without anybody recognizing his power or willing to help him. 3) It'd be a far better punishment to have a mentally worn down Sugou face all the real life problems at full force once he is able to logout: He'd have to face prosecution by the police, would be stripped off of his social standing and the worst of all - he was powerless and unable to influence these events because he underestimated the power of friendship even online, etc. - cue all that Shounen standard fare. It would be generic as well, but this way we would have been shown that Kirito did indeed grow as a character and I'd have loved to see at least that for a single scene in this anime. |
NidhoeggrDec 21, 2012 8:24 AM
| Jojolion anime when? |
Immahnoob said: SetsukoHara said: When I said body, I meant "body" as both psychologically AND physically, Immahnoob said: Did we also mention that him dying in the game will not do much to his body? And Asuna being raped inside a game won't do much to her body either. She was in a death game for 2 years and 3 months (if you also add ALO), mentally, she'd get broken, completely. 1) http://dictionnaire.reverso.net/anglais-definition/body 2) Sugou was not responsible for the SAO incident. 3) Also, let's not lose what the main argument was. You tried to diminish Kirito's action by saying it didn't have much effext on Sugou anyway. 4) What Kirito did will make Sugou suffer physically and psychologically too. I'm not saying Sugou's suffering is the same as Asuna, but if you think that what Asuna went through is traumatising, you have to accept it will be the same for Sugou. Immahnoob said: And LOL at it being the "not being the most mature choice", what the fuck? It makes it the best choice in the situation and it doesn't make it either "mature" or "immature", as I'm sure an "adult" would have done the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maturity_%28psychology%29 Maturity can also be a psychological state of mind. Revenge relies way too much on feelings and instinct to be called a reasonnable option. The most mature solution would have been to log Sugou off and immediately take care of Asuna who went through a lot emotionnaly speaking instead of challenging Sugou into a duel and leave Asuna alone and binded with chains during that time. |
SetsukoHara said: 1) http://dictionnaire.reverso.net/anglais-definition/body 2) Sugou was not responsible for the SAO incident. 3) Also, let's not lose what the main argument was. You tried to diminish Kirito's action by saying it didn't have much effext on Sugou anyway. 4) What Kirito did will make Sugou suffer physically and psychologically too. I'm not saying Sugou's suffering is the same as Asuna, but if you think that what Asuna went through is traumatising, you have to accept it will be the same for Sugou. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maturity_%28psychology%29 Maturity can also be a psychological state of mind. Revenge relies way too much on feelings and instinct to be called a reasonnable option. The most mature solution would have been to log Sugou off and immediately take care of Asuna who went through a lot emotionnaly speaking instead of challenging Sugou into a duel and leave Asuna alone and binded with chains during that time. This, I edited my previous post to present a similar solution that would've fit far better in my opinion. But no, Mr. Self-Insertion needs to go the easy way when writing this story... |
| Jojolion anime when? |
| Not really, nothing went out of the window, he acted like anybody would act in such a situation if he had the power to do so... And that will happen to him in real life in episode 25, this isn't the ending, by the way. |
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Immahnoob said: Not really, nothing went out of the window, he acted like anybody would act in such a situation if he had the power to do so... And that will happen to him in real life in episode 25, this isn't the ending, by the way. Still, the whole scene is wasted potential for ALL characters. And as we mentioned before, there are a lot of people who would actually choose to help their beloved ones first. It's really frustrating to see an author disregarding so much obvious potential by always going the easy route only to please the lowest instincts. Where is the ambition here? |
| Jojolion anime when? |
| And now you're discarding the other point of yours, that what he did to Sugou was retarded, how fast do you change your mind? Rather than saying "The author could have done more", because you really have no authority to say such a thing, especially after how much both the LN and the anime sold. I don't know what the others would have picked, I would have raped the villain first myself. I have nothing to say in this regard, take it as you want. Also, I'll respond to your shallow and bad points later Setsuko, I'm playing LoL. |
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Immahnoob said: And now you're discarding the other point of yours, that what he did to Sugou was retarded, how fast do you change your mind? Rather than saying "The author could have done more", because you really have no authority to say such a thing, especially after how much both the LN and the anime sold. I don't know what the others would have picked, I would have raped the villain first myself. I have nothing to say in this regard, take it as you want. Also, I'll respond to your shallow and bad points later Setsuko, I'm playing LoL. How did I disregard my fucking point? And I doubt you are qualified to call people shallow when you use the "Popularity = quality" argument and seriously argue that you would fucking rape another human out of revenge. I won't talk to you anymore. You are a sick bastard. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
Immahnoob said: SetsukoHara said: Immahnoob said: Pettersson said: Zeally said: Massive unexplained plot holes that will never be explained like how exactly did Kirito re-materialize himself after being defeated in SAO by Kayaba. Why is Asuna even alive when she clearly died taking the hit for Kirito? Obviously by the power of love you silly hater/troll. Nah but seriously, my theory about why people like the love story of SAO is because there an ACTUAL relationship development(bad or not) compared to all these shitty harems nowdays that lowers the standards. Wants to be taken seriously. Calls SAO a harem. Read more carefully, that is not what he said. He implied it, hands down. I can assure you that I did not. Pretty much ever single harem contains romance between the characters that never really develop. SAO also contains romance, but in this case it actually develops quite a lot in a quite fast pace. Never implied anything about SAO being a harem. |
Immahnoob said: I don't know what the others would have picked, I would have raped the villain first myself. I have nothing to say in this regard, take it as you want. That means I would have done the same as Kirito, I did NOT use "rape" literally. But hey, you're an idiot. Nidhoeggr said: How did I disregard my fucking point? You said this: Nidhoeggr said: Still, the whole scene is wasted potential for ALL characters. Immahnoob said: Not really, nothing went out of the window, he acted like anybody would act in such a situation if he had the power to do so... And that will happen to him in real life in episode 25, this isn't the ending, by the way. After I said this. You agreed with me. Nidhoeggr said: And I doubt you are qualified to call people shallow when you use the "Popularity = quality" argument You had no argument, you said that his writing is bad, for no reasons other than your ideas about SAO while many of them are wrong, yet, he pleases a lot of fans, you're also acting like this is an objective discussion. And please, do respect your promise, do not speak to me again, it's too easy to destroy you. Pettersson said: I can assure you that I did not. Pretty much ever single harem contains romance between the characters that never really develop. SAO also contains romance, but in this case it actually develops quite a lot in a quite fast pace. Never implied anything about SAO being a harem. What does a Harem have anything to do with SAO? That's where you made your mistake, a bad analogy. Are you implying that the psyche is not part of the body? Is your brain in a jar or something? SetsukoHara said: 2) Sugou was not responsible for the SAO incident. This has nothing to do with what I said, she's in a death game for ages now, do you think she's capable of resisting RAPE? It does not matter if it's in a game in this situation, for a woman, rape is horrible for the psyche, if she gets raped she'd be broken, let's not forget she also FEELS that. SetsukoHara said: 3) Also, let's not lose what the main argument was. You tried to diminish Kirito's action by saying it didn't have much effext on Sugou anyway. Pain vs mental pain... I wonder who wins? I said that the effect on his body will be minimal to his psyche and only will feel pain for a few days maximum. SetsukoHara said: 4) What Kirito did will make Sugou suffer physically and psychologically too. Psychologically? No, I don't think so, physically? A tiny bit... SetsukoHara said: I'm not saying Sugou's suffering is the same as Asuna, but if you think that what Asuna went through is traumatising, you have to accept it will be the same for Sugou. And did I say anything else? Don't forget that it's worse to be mentally ill than having your body ill. SetsukoHara said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maturity_%28psychology%29 Maturity can also be a psychological state of mind. Revenge relies way too much on feelings and instinct to be called a reasonnable option. The most mature solution would have been to log Sugou off and immediately take care of Asuna who went through a lot emotionnaly speaking instead of challenging Sugou into a duel and leave Asuna alone and binded with chains during that time. Wrong, it's not "immature" or "mature", it's being "primitive", he wouldn't have got what he deserved in real life though, so why wouldn't Kirito do his best to make him suffer at least half as much as Asuna did? He had Sugou in his face, he was emotionally fucked by Sugou's actions on Asuna and on him, he did the right choice. You don't really understand much, do you? |
ImmahnoobDec 21, 2012 9:43 AM
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Immahnoob said: Pettersson said: I can assure you that I did not. Pretty much ever single harem contains romance between the characters that never really develop. SAO also contains romance, but in this case it actually develops quite a lot in a quite fast pace. Never implied anything about SAO being a harem. What does a Harem have anything to do with SAO? That's where you made your mistake, a bad analogy. The romance. Harems got shitty romance. SAO got a quite decent one. The harems are lowering the standards for romance which means that the romance in SAO might seam better to some people than it actually is. Nothing more to it. |
Pettersson said: Immahnoob said: Pettersson said: I can assure you that I did not. Pretty much ever single harem contains romance between the characters that never really develop. SAO also contains romance, but in this case it actually develops quite a lot in a quite fast pace. Never implied anything about SAO being a harem. What does a Harem have anything to do with SAO? That's where you made your mistake, a bad analogy. The romance. Harems got shitty romance. SAO got a quite decent one. The harems are lowering the standards for romance which means that the romance in SAO might seam better to some people than it actually is. Nothing more to it. Harems are not generelly lowering the standards for romance. I think Bakemonogatari and Nisemonogatari belong both to the harem genre and the romance in those animes is quite interesting. |
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Pettersson said: Immahnoob said: Pettersson said: I can assure you that I did not. Pretty much ever single harem contains romance between the characters that never really develop. SAO also contains romance, but in this case it actually develops quite a lot in a quite fast pace. Never implied anything about SAO being a harem. What does a Harem have anything to do with SAO? That's where you made your mistake, a bad analogy. The romance. Harems got shitty romance. SAO got a quite decent one. Nothing more to it. A mistake nonetheless, it's a weak analogy, harems is a broad example, SAO is only one, romance is also pretty vague, thus, it made you seem like you're implying SAO is a harem. Especially with how you made it. Pettersson said: Nah but seriously, my theory about why people like the love story of SAO is because there an ACTUAL relationship development(bad or not) compared to all these shitty harems nowdays that lowers the standards. But if it wasn't the case, whatever, carry on then. |
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Kyube said: Pettersson said: Immahnoob said: Pettersson said: I can assure you that I did not. Pretty much ever single harem contains romance between the characters that never really develop. SAO also contains romance, but in this case it actually develops quite a lot in a quite fast pace. Never implied anything about SAO being a harem. What does a Harem have anything to do with SAO? That's where you made your mistake, a bad analogy. The romance. Harems got shitty romance. SAO got a quite decent one. The harems are lowering the standards for romance which means that the romance in SAO might seam better to some people than it actually is. Nothing more to it. Harems are not generelly lowering the standards for romance. I think Bakemonogatari and Nisemonogatari belong both to the harem genre and the romance in those animes is quite interesting. If we are gonna start calling the -monogatari series "harem" we might as well start calling SAO "harem". |
| Yeah, Pettersson is right, -monogatari series are NOT a harem. There are several rules to a Harem other than them to have an interest towards the main character. |
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Immahnoob said: Are you implying that the psyche is not part of the body? Is your brain in a jar or something? We don't use the word body to refer to the human psyche because contrary to some parts of your body like your arms or your feet, it is not tangible and much more complex to explain. Immahnoob said: SetsukoHara said: 2) Sugou was not responsible for the SAO incident. This has nothing to do with what I said, she's in a death game for ages now, do you think she's capable of resisting RAPE? It does not matter if it's in a game in this situation, for a woman, rape is horrible for the psyche, if she gets raped she'd be broken, let's not forget she also FEELS that. I've never said the rape wouldn't have any effect on her psyche, I even said the contrary in my latest post. But let's not forget that there was no actaul penetration, she was just licked, which is defintely not as bad psychologically speaking. noob said: SetsukoHara said: 4) What Kirito did will make Sugou suffer physically and psychologically too. Psychologically? No, I don't think so, physically? A tiny bit... Being a victim of violence affect you almost all the time psychologically, especially when it's done in such a ruthless way. SetsukoHara said: I'm not saying Sugou's suffering is the same as Asuna, but if you think that what Asuna went through is traumatising, you have to accept it will be the same for Sugou. And did I say anything else? Don't forget that it's worse to be mentally ill than having your body ill. You implied that what was done to Sugou wasn't a big deal. And lol at the it's worse to be mentally ill than having your body ill. I don't know which is worse, but if you really think so, you should probably watch this movie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diving_Bell_and_the_Butterfly_%28film%29 noob said: SetsukoHara said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maturity_%28psychology%29 Maturity can also be a psychological state of mind. Revenge relies way too much on feelings and instinct to be called a reasonnable option. The most mature solution would have been to log Sugou off and immediately take care of Asuna who went through a lot emotionnaly speaking instead of challenging Sugou into a duel and leave Asuna alone and binded with chains during that time. Wrong, it's not "immature" or "mature", it's being "primitive", he wouldn't have got what he deserved in real life though, so why wouldn't Kirito do his best to make him suffer at least half as much as Asuna did? He had Sugou in his face, he was emotionally fucked by Sugou's actions on Asuna and on him, he did the right choice. When we talk about maturity, there is two things that come immediately through one mind: Responsibility and self-control. Prioritize your revenge over Asuna is being responsible? Listening to your most primitive instinct is a good way to show your self-control? Well if you think so, then I got nothing to tell you. |
| I liked the episode although it was somehow was predictable. And the fact that the game master dropped to 0 and with it lost all his super confidence was somehow funny :D Like you know those kids at school when their friends are not around they are so defenseless and lose all their "coolness". And than that awesome "cut-into-pieces" scene was cool :D The ending was nice and I am glad they got saved. (Which also was somehow predictable) I am looking forward for tomorrow. Happy survivor 12.12.21, cheers ~ExcellionMode 「Let's appreciate all the hard work that is being put into this anime so we can enjoy it 」 |
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| Emotions and the psyche come from your brain, if I said body, I meant it in such a way that it was for both. Forced naked, put in chains, licked, I think you understand what I said there. Let's not forget that Asuna is 17 too. Getting beaten up once will not interfere with you psychologically, only if it's prolonged and daily. I think it's worse to have somebody fuck with your mind than with your body, and no, I did not mean it literally, I do not care of your movie either, it's not proof of anything, if being mentally retarded is worse than losing an arm, I don't think you have anything to tell me then. Maturity has nothing to do with this, being FORCED to watch your girlfriend getting touched by another man in every way imaginable while also being mocked by that person surely does NOT make ANYBODY with at least an inch of heart not flinch or lose control. He gave Sugou what he deserved, for 3 months, Sugou sexually assaulted Asuna, as you noticed in older episodes, that's worse than one time getting beaten up. |
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Immahnoob said: Pettersson said: Immahnoob said: Pettersson said: I can assure you that I did not. Pretty much ever single harem contains romance between the characters that never really develop. SAO also contains romance, but in this case it actually develops quite a lot in a quite fast pace. Never implied anything about SAO being a harem. What does a Harem have anything to do with SAO? That's where you made your mistake, a bad analogy. The romance. Harems got shitty romance. SAO got a quite decent one. Nothing more to it. A mistake nonetheless, it's a weak analogy, harems is a broad example, SAO is only one, romance is also pretty vague, thus, it made you seem like you're implying SAO is a harem. Especially with how you made it. Pettersson said: Nah but seriously, my theory about why people like the love story of SAO is because there an ACTUAL relationship development(bad or not) compared to all these shitty harems nowdays that lowers the standards. But if it wasn't the case, whatever, carry on then. Yeah. As i mentioned, I wasn't my true intention to imply that. If that is what you interpreted it as, I'm sorry for formulating it vague. |
| Logically, they're not harems as they do not fit the rules of the Harem, and they cannot be compared as harems if they're not harems. It's like saying "Let's compare two fruits" and you take a carrot and a potato, "Well, they could be fruit...". No, it does not work. |
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| Well they are two different ideals in mindsets. Most people will prefer the self control mindset but the other isn't necessarily wrong. And once again...what's it matter if it's a harem? A harem doesn't equal automatically bad anime. |
| I never said it does that, it's just that I hate when people call something a thing that it is not. First, the character must be surrounded by women most of the times, they must all have an interest in the main character, and they must be at least three (with him and interested in him)... Not only that, Harems are usually not focused on the Romance part, mostly on the sexual part. If they lack one of these, then it's not a Harem. |
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hyperknees91 said: Well they are two different ideals in mindsets. Most people will prefer the self control mindset but the other isn't necessarily wrong. And once again...what's it matter if it's a harem? A harem doesn't equal automatically bad anime. Meh, just a common mindset. As long as the harem has interesting character interaction, or they develop the MC in a way, then why not. |
Immahnoob said: Forced naked, put in chains, licked, I think you understand what I said there. Let's not forget that Asuna is 17 too. Lol, now, I wonder what kind of impact the things that happened in this arc will have on Asuna's psyche in the future. I guess none. Getting beaten up once will not interfere with you psychologically, only if it's prolonged and daily. No need for that, just being a witness of one situation of extreme violence can cause some psychological trauma, so experiencing it can defintely cause it too. I think it's worse to have somebody fuck with your mind than with your body, and no, I did not mean it literally I guess it's safe to assume you have actually never been physically tortured. Funny thing, here, you're actually making a difference between the mind and the body... LOL. I do not care of your movie either, it's not proof of anything, if being mentally retarded is worse than losing an arm, I don't think you have anything to tell me then. I've seen this movie, so if it was proof of anything, I wouldn't say that I don't know which is worse. But this movie might change your vision, because it seems you're really underestimating body's damage. And lol @ the faulty generalization, I can see easily some cases when you would agree with me than it's better to have the mind "illness" rather than the body "illness". Maturity has nothing to do with this, being FORCED to watch your girlfriend getting touched by another man in every way imaginable while also being mocked by that person surely does NOT make ANYBODY with at least an inch of heart not flinch or lose control. He gave Sugou what he deserved, for 3 months, Sugou sexually assaulted Asuna, as you noticed in older episodes, that's worse than one time getting beaten up. Maturity has everything to do with this. This is a human action, so we can judge its maturity level. And I will add to what I said earlier and that for some reasons, you refused to answer that violence wasn't necessary in this case, and society actually expect from responsible grown-up not to resort to violence when it's not necessarry. |
| Ah my favorite scene out of all of ALO. Helped release a lot of that pent up RAEG. :) |
| I must say I AM PLEASED with SAO Fellas, I decided to jump into the series this past week and just finsihed episode 24.... Hoping that Kirito gets a REALLY happy Ending with Asuna for sure...especially after destroying that creepy bad guy. I mean literally....Now there's a good bad guy there that you want to rage at and root for the hero to kill. -btw Yui-chan's too damn CUTE!- [Also Decided to watch SAO instead of any news so SAO IS SOOOOO Much better than raging at the TV] |
TyjosAzariDec 21, 2012 10:03 PM
| Honestly, this whole ALO was a waste of time. SAO was much better |
Immahnoob said: I never said it does that, it's just that I hate when people call something a thing that it is not. First, the character must be surrounded by women most of the times, they must all have an interest in the main character, and they must be at least three (with him and interested in him)... Not only that, Harems are usually not focused on the Romance part, mostly on the sexual part. If they lack one of these, then it's not a Harem. I consider harems where the main character is surrounded by the opposite sex, 3 or more, interested in the main character, most bad ones are ecchishit, they don't necessarily have to be around him/her most of the time. |
RockerXDDec 22, 2012 12:05 AM
| Meanwhile, players all over ALO are experiencing severe pain when taking damage... |
VerneJules said: Nope.that happened only to Sugou.Meanwhile, players all over ALO are experiencing severe pain when taking damage... |
SetsukoHara said: Lol, now, I wonder what kind of impact the things that happened in this arc will have on Asuna's psyche in the future. I guess none. I don't see what you mean by this... SetsukoHara said: Getting beaten up once will not interfere with you psychologically, only if it's prolonged and daily. No need for that, just being a witness of one situation of extreme violence can cause some psychological trauma, so experiencing it can defintely cause it too. As an adult? No, I don't think so, he'll probably feel spite and anger and will probably want revenge, as in the real world, he can get his revenge. SetsukoHara said: I guess it's safe to assume you have actually never been physically tortured. Funny thing, here, you're actually making a difference between the mind and the body... LOL. And you have? I was beaten up several times, pretty ugly fights, but tortured? No... I don't think you'll find people that got tortured here. He died in a matter of 2 minutes, that's not torture. The body involves the MIND too, where does your conscience come from? From your brain. Where is your brain located? In your body. SetsukoHara said: I've seen this movie, so if it was proof of anything, I wouldn't say that I don't know which is worse. But this movie might change your vision, because it seems you're really underestimating body's damage. And lol @ the faulty generalization, I can see easily some cases when you would agree with me than it's better to have the mind "illness" rather than the body "illness". No, it's not, I could also give you an example of a movie like Tropic Thunder where Tom Cruise was getting shot and was still running. Oh, is that not a movie also? So, in this case, being emotionally broken OR feeling pain for a few days max, which one is worse? SetsukoHara said: Maturity has everything to do with this. This is a human action, so we can judge its maturity level. And I will add to what I said earlier and that for some reasons, you refused to answer that violence wasn't necessary in this case, and society actually expect from responsible grown-up not to resort to violence when it's not necessarry. I think we already mentioned that losing control in this situation has nothing to do with maturity, any "adult" would have lost control in such a situation unless he did not care of the person getting sexually assaulted. He's also 16 bro, being mature and being a grown-up are two different things. He's not deemed as an adult anywhere, he can be mature. Did we also mention that Kirito asked Asuna if he can punish Sugou first and she said "YEP"? Hell, I think that's another thing you missed. And why wasn't the violence needed again? Wait, aren't we in a game that it's all about violence, slashing people up, getting their items, watching monsters die, burn, choke etc? Wait, didn't Asuna got sexually abused by a grown up (obviously without her consent), in front of her boyfriend while the boyfriend had his back slashed and his face kicked? I wonder if you would have thought of society or your so called "self control" when he got off the ground in both emotional and physical pain. Get over your moralist fallacy, son. RockerXD said: Immahnoob said: I never said it does that, it's just that I hate when people call something a thing that it is not. First, the character must be surrounded by women most of the times, they must all have an interest in the main character, and they must be at least three (with him and interested in him)... Not only that, Harems are usually not focused on the Romance part, mostly on the sexual part. If they lack one of these, then it's not a Harem. I consider harems where the main character is surrounded by the opposite sex, 3 or more, interested in the main character, most bad ones are ecchishit, they don't necessarily have to be around him/her most of the time. Yes they do... It's a rule for harems, for gods sake. |
ImmahnoobDec 22, 2012 4:33 AM
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| Last post for me, I spent enough time arguing about this. Immahnoob said: SetsukoHara said: Lol, now, I wonder what kind of impact the things that happened in this arc will have on Asuna's psyche in the future. I guess none. I don't see what you mean by this... You were actually saying that the things that happened can affect her psychologically. And I was wondering if the author will put this effect in the future arc or not. About the beating up, Sugou wasn't just beaten up, he experienced the pain and the feeling of losing an arm, getting cut in half, and the feeling of a huge ass sword piercing you through your goddamn eye. I mean this is what I call a situation of extreme violence, and not a simple beat-up. Saying that this kind of things can't have any psychological impact on you is ridiculous. about the body and the mind, I quote you once again. I think it's worse to have somebody fuck with your mind than with your body. This wouldn't make any sense if you consider that the mind is not different from the body. Replace mind with eyes for example, and you see the problem with your sentence. So even you,you know that mind=/=body, yet I don't know why, but you don't want to admit it. About the movie now, the movie I recommend you is based on a true story and is acknowledged by many specialists of this illness to be quite accurate in its description, is it the case for Tropic Thunder? About the violence against Sugou, it wasn't needed because Kirito had all the admin rights, he could just freed Asuna and hand Sugou to the justice after that. And read my post more carefully please, I said that Kirito's action were understandable even tough portrayed in childish way, but doing your own justice is in no way an act that someone that we could call mature would do. |
| I have no idea, and I don't really care. Feeling pain for about 5 seconds, or getting sexually abused as a woman for 3 months...? And no, it isn't as traumatic as you think it is, he wasn't tortured. I never said that mind = body, I actually said that in the body there's also the mind. Thus, you're wrong. And when I said "body" several times, I meant ALL of it, oh, but hey, logic chopping OP. Yes, many reviewers said we should actually try to get shot and see what ha-... No, BUT, why would I watch that movie again? You should be giving proof about your points, tell me what's in that movie then. It has nothing to do with maturity, even mature people can lose self control. He also asked Asuna if he could fuck Sugou up first, she said yes. |
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| Lol at the "mature" people here.I pray that nothing ever happens to your families and friends while you are there. btw: Sachi's part has nothing to do with this scene.They have nothing in common at all.Kirito is in FULL CONTROL of Sugou AND the game after he got Admin rights AND Asuna wasnt in a life or death situation.And Excaliber is worth shit if the wielder cant even use a kitchen knife correctly. Kirito being more mature now than he was before cant possibly mean that he understood that VR/MMO life isnt the only thing in the world right?.It cant possibly mean that he realized the mistake he did with Suguha and his aunt and uncle right? Obviously when people mature they do it all at once.Not slowly during the course of their life. |
| Immahnoob, are you reading my posts? Do you have trouble processing information? Because you're really twisting my words and/or interpreting them in a way that wasn't intended at all.I said the previous posts was my last on this subject but when some people take advantage of it to make me say things I didn't. Immahnoob said: Feeling pain for about 5 seconds, or getting sexually abused as a woman for 3 months...? And no, it isn't as traumatic as you think it is, he wasn't tortured. I've never said that it was worse than Asuna. And this kind of things can be traumatic. https://www.achievesolutions.net/achievesolutions/en/Content.do?contentId=2686 How long do you think a car accident last? And when I said "body" several times, I meant ALL of it, oh, but hey, logic chopping OP. OK, then explain the meaning of this sentence that you said if by body you meant all of it including the mind: I think it's worse to have somebody fuck with your mind than with your body. LOL, good luck! No, BUT, why would I watch that movie again? You should be giving proof about your points, tell me what's in that movie then. Read my posts again. I never said the movie was proof of something, I even said the contrary, but it might change your vision of things. ssjokg said: Lol at the "mature" people here.I pray that nothing ever happens to your families and friends while you are there. I said that I can understand his actions. And I said it twice! now that's the third time and I hope it's the last time. But it is not because I understand it and that I'd probably do the same thing that it is the most mature things to do in this case. Sachi's part has nothing to do with this scene.They have nothing in common at all.Kirito is in FULL CONTROL of Sugou AND the game after he got Admin rights AND Asuna wasnt in a life or death situation.And Excaliber is worth shit if the wielder cant even use a kitchen knife correctly. Kirito being more mature now than he was before cant possibly mean that he understood that VR/MMO life isnt the only thing in the world right?.It cant possibly mean that he realized the mistake he did with Suguha and his aunt and uncle right? Obviously when people mature they do it all at once.Not slowly during the course of their life. Fair enough! |
| The problem is that he still has his arms/legs/abdomen in real life. Also, an automobile accident is worse than what happens PHYSICALLY in a game to your VR body. So, invalid... The guy feels the pain for a day or so then forgets it because his body is still intact. "I think it's worse if people fuck with your mind than with your body." It's valid, the body can contain the mind, but you don't have to take both parts of the phrase literally, when I say 'fuck with your mind' I do not say 'inserts penis in your mind', the heart is also a subset to the body, if I say, "He raped his dead body", that does not mean "He raped the heart that was in his body.". Also, I forgot to call this fallacy out, it's called fallacy of division, the mind is in the body, the body can sexually interact, thus, the mind can also sexually interact. |
ImmahnoobDec 22, 2012 12:22 PM
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