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| That last bit with renton was the more interesting than anything that's been shown in this sad anime so far. You could say that it's just because I'm a fan of the original, but this character had so much more depth than AO, hell even the Nirvash looks badass. With all of that said, I don't think having to suffer through a subpar anime til some fan pleasing was worth it. Imagine if this anime started at the renton situation. Strange world/settings and older renton/new look. Really AO's biggest problem is it's focus or lack of, pertaining to character depth/development. |
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| So all BONES had to do is show 5 minutes from ep15 (I'm not sure when Eureka appeared), and last 5 minutes of episode 22. And that's all everybody scream and get very glad and other this sort of things. And it is actually does not matter, that all the show is rubbish, story line sent to hell and so on, and so on... So why were you watching this show? For a couple of pictures or to see actual story about Eureka, Renton and their teammates. Or maybe something related to them, in a good story? All these YEAH - things sound some kind of... well i do not want to hurt anyone, but it sounds really stupid. The show is crap even without comparing with the original E7. (Please do not start any "hater" discussions) |
| This show has been such a major disappointment that said tho Renton appearing like that was freaken epic :D Ao is about to learn how its done; BA Renton for the freaken win. |
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| Lol seriously do all the girls like AO? XD Pretty cool seeing Renton, but the voice... :/ I mean being Holland's voice actor it just reminds me too much of, well, Holland! I hope his character isnt too radically different from Eureka Seven... So Rentons traveling different timelines that have been infected by scub coral to find Eureka eh? Gah, I dont want to wait a month >_< such a cliffhanger ending too :/ |
 If you really want to fit in, just put Legend of the Galactic Heroes in your top 5 and have it be the only 10-rated anime in your list. |
| The last few minutes with Renton. BADASS. My jaw was open the entire time. XD. Now we have to wait till November : ( . Well gonna re watch Renton's epic scene and save it |
| Seems like this conclusion might be rushed however, even though the conclusion will miss out on a lot of unanswered questiOns, I have a feeling the conclusion will be epic. The appearance of Renton really made my day, at first I didn't think it was him xD |
MyPen said: I'm sorry if anyone already wrote this but.... Face it Man, this is obviously Renton from E7 Movie timeline not from the series (no Love-shaped Eureka Renton) and if i got it wrong cuz the blurred pic, i'm sure there must be a ring around the moon Its a different timeline, the show stated it was New York 2021, the heart shape moon wouldn't be around till waaaaaaay later when the original series takes place. It would seem Rentons traveling through different timelines to find Eureka, and this is one where the scub coral came earlier and basically destroyed the world. |
If you really want to fit in, just put Legend of the Galactic Heroes in your top 5 and have it be the only 10-rated anime in your list. |
| Has nobody else noticed that the beginning of Renton's scene is almost exactly like the beginning of Nausicaä and the Valley of the Wind? It's a nice hommage, and very appropriate to the theme of both works. |
| You guys are not understanding, Renton has been going through worlds looking for Eureka, he has a line that said something like that ''this one didn't go too far either'' so he means that world couldn't last with the corals, hes seen other places who had the same fate. So he probably, saw movie timeline, random timeline, and he is on another similar timeline, the seven swell probably gave him entry to another world and I hopes it's the place where Ao is. |
| Renton found his favorite robot, that was interesting. Not sure what it means though. It's not like AO cares about logic. Also, besides the fine last minutes, I seriously have to question the use of seiyuu. What were they thinking? |
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| I also think that Nirvash is mechanical for the pure reason that it has a turbine working before being turned on. |
| I literally shit a little out of joy of seeing Renton. |
| Indeed, Ao seems to be ending in November. The franchise as a whole, however? I still can't see it happening; not with the amount of information they have to address. Unless, again, we get a RETCANNON ending (UGH). As for the episode, even without Renton, I enjoyed it; Truth as a villain can't compete with Dewey, but I think they've relegated him nicely to a role that doesn't require ample amounts of depth in order to be decent, which is just a violent force of nature (one of the only compromises that could make me take him more seriously as a character, at this point). While I also enjoyed Ao and Naru's exchange, it was so meta, it was almost painful. Now, for the speculations: I thought episodes 7, 11, 12, and 16 threw me for a loop, but they have nothing on this. Now, I'm going to make a tidy list to organize my thoughts here, as there's a BUNCH of conflicting elements to take account of. * Phantom-Eureka clearly hails from the first series' PoP universe; everything we all know and loved, she experienced, and has her memories of. * Conversely, Renton's future does not seem to be that of PoP; it's either one that was created from the time-fuckery that the Scub Coral has inflicted on the past, or even possibly, that of the movie's universe (which is certainly part of the multiverse the franchise has established). Also, a lack of heart-moon, as seen when the "Seven Swell" is going skyward. * Another observation, are the multiple "Northern Light" phenomenons that can be seen strewn across the landscape of 12021 AD; a phenomenon directly revealed to have happened after Ao destroyed the Vester Plant. Perhaps hinting that the Quartz Cannon is used many times afterwards, or something that causes similar phenomenons? Also: it specified that the ruined city he was investigating was New York City, which did NOT exist in PoP's universe. * Hints are starting to emerge about the true nature of the Scub Coral; we've more or less known since the first series that the Scub Coral is merely a hyper-evolved mutation brought upon terrestrial coral from some sort of extraterrestrial element (Think: The Andromeda Strain, by Michael Crichton). Nothing substantative was revealed this episode, but I like the direction that it's seemingly taking - maybe there's more to its origins than a simple assimilative life form drifting through space (engineered, perhaps?). I kind of hope to learn more about the primordial origins of the Scub, and before it had started assimilating - what it is at its CORE. If they choose to keep that a mystery as well, however, I'm also fine with that. * Now, what dialogue we did get from Truth this episode, it confounds me; he mentions coming from a world where there are no Secrets, and nothing is powered or exploited by the Scub Coral, but that sounds suspiciously like pre-Scub, PoP EARTH. Given that he was born as a Secret, this is disconcerting; something is clearly fucking with his mind, and I doubt it's just "Kanon", or "Cannon". I'm sure I'll have more later, but as for the episode itself, I enjoyed it greatly. I'm just not sure about how it fits into the series / franchise at this point. As for the glimpse we got of "Renton"? I have no idea what to think of it yet; I'll have to see what's next to decide whether I like, dislike, or hate it. A nice little reference they put in: Renton picking up the toy that he loved as a kid; the one he reminisced over, conversing with Eureka in episode 15 of PoP. Mod Edit: Please use spoiler tags for large images. |
LunaSep 28, 2012 9:33 PM
danna_mp said: You guys are not understanding, Renton has been going through worlds looking for Eureka, he has a line that said something like that ''this one didn't go too far either'' so he means that world couldn't last with the corals, hes seen other places who had the same fate. So he probably, saw movie timeline, random timeline, and he is on another similar timeline, the seven swell probably gave him entry to another world and I hopes it's the place where Ao is. This makes perfect sense; I'm subscribing to this. |
a_guest said: So all BONES had to do is show 5 minutes from ep15 (I'm not sure when Eureka appeared), and last 5 minutes of episode 22. And that's all everybody scream and get very glad and other this sort of things. And it is actually does not matter, that all the show is rubbish, story line sent to hell and so on, and so on... So why were you watching this show? For a couple of pictures or to see actual story about Eureka, Renton and their teammates. Or maybe something related to them, in a good story? All these YEAH - things sound some kind of... well i do not want to hurt anyone, but it sounds really stupid. The show is crap even without comparing with the original E7. (Please do not start any "hater" discussions) I understand what you're trying to say, and principally, I agree with you on this point; a few fan-pandering moments cannot magically make a show good, or intrinsically increase its quality (it's the same producers bringing you these moments, for God's sake). Where we disagree, however, is that the "entire show is crap". It's been very uneven, but I'd go so far as to call it "good" at this point, from a uniform perspective. You and many others' expectations have utterly destroyed any capacity to view the show on a level of desired objectivity, and seemingly fail to see the various good aspects (paired along side the numerous problematic ones). The most uneven point of the show is its characterization, and with that, I'll agree; its propensity to randomly switch its focus on character development without any immediately noticeable arcs can be jarring and confusing; something that's made people have trouble empathizing with the characters, which is a fair point. Look past the presentation, however, and there's been a fair amount of good development for the principal cast (though not as much for Ivica and Gazelle; I've been pretty disappointed on that front). The second great problem of this show is that it's CONVOLUTED as all hell, and unless you're really absorbed into the story, it must be hell to follow; all the more so if you're a newcomer to the franchise - this is an objective flaw of the series, and as much as I personally love discussing the convolusion, it makes for weak storytelling. Despite these major shortcomings, however, I'm able to derive a substantial amount of enjoyment from it; not only as a fan of the franchise, but that of the series. It all comes down to your ability to oversee these shortcomings, and appreciate it for what it is, and what it's trying to do. It's understandable that not all people are able to see over these hurdles, nor should they, necessarily, but I would ask that people don't deride others for their capacity to enjoy and be entertained by this, admittedly, flawed work. |
DangerrSep 28, 2012 5:16 PM
| Faggots complain about everything. Fujiwara usually plays badasses. He fits for Renton. And NO he doesn't sound exactly like Holland. |
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| I still expected more Dangerr.......so much more.....*sigh* |
negativedemyx said: I still expected more Dangerr.......so much more.....*sigh* Fair enough. For me, however, I had come into Ao apathetically; I really had no hopes for the show, and after years of having not seen the original, I owed up my old love of the franchise to be that of nostalgia. When I actually started watching, however, I was taken in by the new setting and premise; it was a lot more concise and deliberately structured than I had any right to hope for. For me, I was coming in with the expectation of some sort of hopeless shonen actioner with giant robots (which isn't entirely inaccurate) made only to capitalize on the name, but I loved the socio-political elements it was presenting; on this end, the show is pretty intelligent. What's disappointed me in the long run, however, is the character arcs and the clarity of the story; the show's littered with a goldmine of interesting background elements that I find myself lost in (in a good way), but lament at the thought it could be even better with the first show's superior writing. Honestly, with Ao's setting, and the basic premise of its story, paired with the first series' level of writing, I think I would be loving Ao much more (and that's saying a lot). I don't want to say it's Dai Sato's absence that has the fundamental problem facing this series' composition, as Shou Aikawa has shown great writing skills in the past, but he really hasn't done the characters justice. Conversely, he's shown great skill in painting a larger picture with the world at large, and again, the socio-political elements. Sato's personal touch with Aikawa's larger narrative would truly have made for an awesome series. But in the end, it's the characterization that takes precedence over the intricacies of the setting, and that's a big reason that this series falls short by comparison. In the end, however, I must thank Ao for re-kindling my love of the franchise; it inspired me to rewatch PoP, and it's once again among my favorite anime titles. Even with Ao's shortcomings, I still more or less enjoy it week to week; Its writing is flawed, but I still find it at least comprehensible, and it's frankly still a lot better than some of the crap I've come across recently. |
DangerrSep 28, 2012 5:33 PM
| onice. intrduce renton at the end then announce a month break. great. as if i didnt know what is going on now. im be completely fucking lost come ep 23 |
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| How is it that these last few mins were the most enjoyable ones i had watching this series (besides Eureka showing up)! gonna be piss if this ends with the last 2 episodes |
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danna_mp said: You guys are not understanding, Renton has been going through worlds looking for Eureka, he has a line that said something like that ''this one didn't go too far either'' so he means that world couldn't last with the corals, hes seen other places who had the same fate. So he probably, saw movie timeline, random timeline, and he is on another similar timeline, the seven swell probably gave him entry to another world and I hopes it's the place where Ao is. ah nice to see someone with thesame observation as me i thought i was lonely lol.... so ye the Seven Swells are time portals... i guess that is the reason why when the Seven Swell appear on the first series its either the nirvash gonna get some power up or have some vision of some other situation.... its either the nirvahs time has been speed up to increase its evolution or power.... or that it can see other timelines and yep people are so much haters because the story of AO is too complicated for them... their are no actual evil side on this series... Truth just want to see the timeline where scubs and secrets does not exist or he wants the True timeline that is same with us viewers (real-life timeline) lol... AO just wants to see the timelines all be fine again and Renton just wants to save Eureka from being stuck on every timelines |
| I'll continue watching because Renton is back. Terrible show. |
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a_guest said: What is that? [url] http://anilinkz.com/eureka-seven-ao-ova-jungfrau-no-hanabanatachi-ep-8-5[/url] Eureka Seven AO: Jungfrau no Hanabanatachi |
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| I enjoyed seeing Renton again. I would have rather had the sequel focus on him. They could have gone with a grittier tone with the sequel that way. Anyway, Naru probably needed more screen time earlier in the series because they sort of crammed some sort of character development into one minute of screen time with her talk with Ao. |
| About time Renton showed up! :D The biggest gripe I have with Eureka Seven AO is that it lacks interesting characters. I just can't get hooked in the story because all the characters are bland and uninteresting. Truly a disappointment as a sequel of a great show like Eureka Seven. If only Renton and Eureka are the main characters this would have been a great series... |
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dashiawia said: About time Renton showed up! :D The biggest gripe I have with Eureka Seven AO is that it lacks interesting characters. I just can't get hooked in the story because all the characters are bland and uninteresting. Truly a disappointment as a sequel of a great show like Eureka Seven. If only Renton and Eureka are the main characters this would have been a great series... Ikr? If only this show had some stable character development, it would be a pretty good show. I feel kinda bad for this show though, it has to live up to the expectations of its parent Eureka Seven :/ |
If you really want to fit in, just put Legend of the Galactic Heroes in your top 5 and have it be the only 10-rated anime in your list. |
| anyone remember the end of eureka seven when eureka and renton were flickering red and blue lights from their forehead, wonder what happened with that :) |
negativedemyx said: I still expected more Dangerr.......so much more.....*sigh* I loled pretty good at that, I sometimes just read your coments dangerr if I don't want to read them all |
MyPen said: I'm sorry if anyone already wrote this but.... Face it Man, this is obviously Renton from E7 Movie timeline not from the series (no Love-shaped Eureka Renton) and if i got it wrong cuz the blurred pic, i'm sure there must be a ring around the moon I don't think that the Universe that Renton and Eureka are originally from. Eureka said a few episodes back that Renton was looking for the Quartz gun the Ao has. I think renton can travel between universes, he just can't control where he goes. And th quartz gun will give him the ability to control that. and bastek66 said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- He's back Storywriter played when he summoned Nirvash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrC8z8MK7HI if you look from this scene, he looks pretty cool     |
| So 2 months for them to come up with an awesome ending that ties every mind fuck into 2 episodes? Hmm...so long as they pull it off, I'm fine. |
| RENTOOOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| I loved the entire episode, not just the last 5 min, Renthon? f*ck him, er... but he looks awesome. They say they will conclude the story in 2 episodes, i cant believe it. I hope they launch some kind of movies or especial/ovas. F*ck not gonna happen. and E7 ao for me was a good ride, it cant compete with E7 but i just love how it tries to confuse me and still succeeds on making me get hooked to it till now. 5/5 |
huntxSep 29, 2012 10:03 AM
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| RENTONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! At first I was doubting it was him cause of the hair and the attitude but who would ever mistake his eyes<3 The moment he took off his glasses, I started fangirling<3 (and I was never a fan of Renton rly xD But I missed him<3) I'm happy to see the really important charas take action now. Truth is lame. I can't believe he's the main villain and well generally I don't like this series much. Neither the story much nor the characters (except some rare ones) but oh well, at least I'm getting to see Renton and Eureka c: And I do pity Ao being in the middle of everything. It'd be nice to see them all reunited! RENTON<3 |
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Dangerr said: I understand what you're trying to say, and principally, I agree with you on this point; a few fan-pandering moments cannot magically make a show good, or intrinsically increase its quality (it's the same producers bringing you these moments, for God's sake). Where we disagree, however, is that the "entire show is crap". It's been very uneven, but I'd go so far as to call it "good" at this point, from a uniform perspective. You and many others' expectations have utterly destroyed any capacity to view the show on a level of desired objectivity, and seemingly fail to see the various good aspects (paired along side the numerous problematic ones). The most uneven point of the show is its characterization, and with that, I'll agree; its propensity to randomly switch its focus on character development without any immediately noticeable arcs can be jarring and confusing; something that's made people have trouble empathizing with the characters, which is a fair point. Look past the presentation, however, and there's been a fair amount of good development for the principal cast (though not as much for Ivica and Gazelle; I've been pretty disappointed on that front). The second great problem of this show is that it's CONVOLUTED as all hell, and unless you're really absorbed into the story, it must be hell to follow; all the more so if you're a newcomer to the franchise - this is an objective flaw of the series, and as much as I personally love discussing the convolusion, it makes for weak storytelling. Despite these major shortcomings, however, I'm able to derive a substantial amount of enjoyment from it; not only as a fan of the franchise, but that of the series. It all comes down to your ability to oversee these shortcomings, and appreciate it for what it is, and what it's trying to do. It's understandable that not all people are able to see over these hurdles, nor should they, necessarily, but I would ask that people don't deride others for their capacity to enjoy and be entertained by this, admittedly, flawed work. Well all I did, is told my opinion (just like before), and I'm not saying that everybody should dislike it - it is everyone's personal decision. However I get really , let's say confused, by what BONES have created... and how people react. Even a couple of episodes, like 8.5 would change how this show really feels (I haven't seen the subbed version, so I'm talking about visual part for now). I expected something deeper, than just an action movie and one episode which actually gets closer to the atmosphere of the first E7 (not too close, to be honest), only shows how poor the rest of the episodes are. As a have already told - I am not intending to hurt anyone, but will not change my opinion. P.S. Renton really looks like "Galactic Pretty Boy". |
| Ok, so he's back in the very2 last chapter... I'm not sure whether to give an applause to this sequel or treat it like a shit So my main reason why I still continue to watch this is of course because or the original E7.. just please don't make the last 2 eps become disappointment for the whole E7 story |
| I think i know why "Bones" got delayed the last 2 episodes of E7 AO. Bones is aware they have many bad feedback about why there is no telling about Eureka/Renton, there is almost no connection between the first and second series till EP 22 ending. I think they delayed because they are gonna make the last 2 episodes 40 min long each, so actually as a short movies and they will focus on the story much more and tell us what happend between Eureka&Renton, and who the sister of Ao is, the first child of Eureka&Renton. Think clear, how the heck are they gonna fit all those info in the last 2 episodes each 20 min long. Or they are producing a second Ao season that will continue after the AO first season ends. What you guys think? PS : Will there be a AO Season 2 for real????? |
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oZi4Ever said: I think i know why "Bones" got delayed the last 2 episodes of E7 AO. Bones is aware they have many bad feedback about why there is no telling about Eureka/Renton, there is almost no connection between the first and second series till EP 22 ending. I think they delayed because they are gonna make the last 2 episodes 40 min long each, so actually as a short movies and they will focus on the story much more and tell us what happend between Eureka&Renton, and who the sister of Ao is, the first child of Eureka&Renton. Think clear, how the heck are they gonna fit all those info in the last 2 episodes each 20 min long. Or they are producing a second Ao season that will continue after the AO first season ends. What you guys think? PS : Will there be a AO Season 2 for real????? It's only been delayed because of the Olympics and MBS. S2? Who knows, but at this point, it's doubtful. |
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