| Seriously, just do it. This is a ridiculous adaption. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
| This is true in most, read the manga. When you have done, the anime you'll find it disappointing.In addition, you will never have a real purpose. You have nothing to lose because it's a wonderful manga. |
| Chapters come out so rarely that by next chapter you don't remember what happened last time. |
| Sigh, here we go again. |
Cloudenvy said: Sigh, here we go again. This. Why read the manga? Just so that I can also whine and complain about the adaptation every week? No thank you. I actually enjoyed the first episode. Probably wouldn't had if I read the manga. So why destroy this anime experience? |
| I'm lucky. I buy the volume of French edition.( the volume 16 is for the 25th april) Evil-Genius is really low, the volume 17 will relase soon. Edit: Sorry the volume 17 is out since 29 march 2012 <img src="http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/10/07/03/10/zetman10.jpg" /> So why destroy this anime experience? Why destroy the manga? |
KiraYoshikageApr 3, 2012 1:33 PM
Sir_Lexa said: Cloudenvy said: Sigh, here we go again. This. Why read the manga? Just so that I can also whine and complain about the adaptation every week? No thank you. I actually enjoyed the first episode. Probably wouldn't had if I read the manga. So why destroy this anime experience? I read 4 chapters just to see how much difference there is... A lot, but anime can make it, and first episode just gave us basics, just so we know basics and what motivates him... |
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Iwans18 said: Chapters come out so rarely that by next chapter you don't remember what happened last time. Oh yeah, I think I have to re-read the whole thing which sucks. |
| I've read the manga up to the most recent chapter and I must say... Sir_Lexa said: ... that you are absolutely correct in not reading it if you liked the first episode. You should only do this after the anime series is finished or at the moment when even you think the anime jumps the shark (that might never happen, but I'm still holding unto the possibility)Why read the manga? Just so that I can also whine and complain about the adaptation every week? No thank you. The manga is undoubtedly better, but there are no signs of the adaptation being actually *bad*. It does cram 12 chapters needlessly into 1 episode when 4 chapters would have been enough and I've yet to see any of the changes actually make improvements on the original story, but it hasn't really skipped parts that will have any significance in the long run. I usually read/watch the inferior version of any series first so I can still get enjoyment out of the other version. I just have mild worries that the anime has sort of missed the point. They gave a pretty thorough explanation of Players right at the beginning when in the original you get bits and pieces thoughout the story, so I kind of think the producers think their viewers are a wee bit dumb. Plus, you know when Haitani (the fabulous man in stripe coat) told that Player to attack Gramps? Yeah that never happened. The intro exposition and Haitani's meddling almost lead me to believe that "bad things happen... because Players!" is going to be a frequent theme in the show. This might of course be a grossly oversimplified extrapolation based on weak premises, but I can't shake off the feeling. The last thing I want this to be, is a prettier-than-normal-but-still-generic Monster of The Week Show |
KiraYoshikage said: So why destroy this anime experience? Why destroy the manga? Personally, I don't feel like watching the anime in full and then starting the manga will ruin the experience for me. After all, everyone is complaining about things being changed and lots cut out, so there'll still be something new in reading the manga later rather than reading it now and making it impossible for myself to enjoy the anime. |
| If any of my posts seem odd, it's probably because I'm tired. Sorry. I have sleeping issues. |
| I prefer to watch the anime before reading the manga. That way you usually get twice the enjoyment, if you do it the other way around you will probably be disappointed with the anime |
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| THIS WORLD IS FREE U NOT GONNA MAKE ME READ ANYTHING BRO |
Nidhoeggr said: Seriously, just do it. This is a ridiculous adaption. lol, you say this like it's the first time happening. But what about people who don't read manga? The adaptation is fine so far, nothing is ridiculous. Different direction =/= ridiculous adaptation. |
| I read the manga, and personally I was impressed with the adaptation. If you really paid any sort of attention at all while reading and watching, you'll understand that it's logistically impossible to fully tell the story at a competent level, in anime form, without kicking the episode count well into the triple digits. Whining that it's different means next to nothing in this context because it doesn't say anything about whether the series is in fact a good work. Sure, they compressed a lot of the material into a significantly smaller time frame, and made a surprising change by having Jin know both Kouga kids from childhood, but overall the first episode was interesting and (in my eyes) captured the essence of Jin's childhood arc very well. If anything, I would have thought the people who haven't read the manga would be less satisfied, since they would lack a lot of the later context that lets you empathize with Jin. The only thing I'm even remotely worried about is that, with a compressed story, Kouga's solo arc will possibly be booted to allow for more of the Evol plot to unravel. |
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Sir_Lexa said: Cloudenvy said: Sigh, here we go again. This. Why read the manga? Just so that I can also whine and complain about the adaptation every week? No thank you. I actually enjoyed the first episode. Probably wouldn't had if I read the manga. So why destroy this anime experience? win comment is win |
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Valaskjalf said: Nidhoeggr said: Seriously, just do it. This is a ridiculous adaption. lol, you say this like it's the first time happening. But what about people who don't read manga? The adaptation is fine so far, nothing is ridiculous. Different direction =/= ridiculous adaptation. It's ridiculous to rush through a whole volume in one episode. And it seems this series will have a complete different plot with Kouga being Jin's childhood friend, Haitani being introduced very soon and the neglect of the whole subplot regarding Kouga's mother. Also, why would someone not read manga? 90% of all series are better in manga form, or better put: In their original media. Redzinx said: THIS WORLD IS FREE U NOT GONNA MAKE ME READ ANYTHING BRO Just a friendly advice. midgemage said: I read the manga, and personally I was impressed with the adaptation. If you really paid any sort of attention at all while reading and watching, you'll understand that it's logistically impossible to fully tell the story at a competent level, in anime form, without kicking the episode count well into the triple digits. Whining that it's different means next to nothing in this context because it doesn't say anything about whether the series is in fact a good work. Sure, they compressed a lot of the material into a significantly smaller time frame, and made a surprising change by having Jin know both Kouga kids from childhood, but overall the first episode was interesting and (in my eyes) captured the essence of Jin's childhood arc very well. If anything, I would have thought the people who haven't read the manga would be less satisfied, since they would lack a lot of the later context that lets you empathize with Jin. The only thing I'm even remotely worried about is that, with a compressed story, Kouga's solo arc will possibly be booted to allow for more of the Evol plot to unravel. |
NidhoeggrApr 4, 2012 1:16 AM
| Jojolion anime when? |
| IF YOU WANT A WELL WRITTEN STORY WITH DEVELOPMENTAL GROWTH, READ THE MANGA. IF YOU WANT SUPER BADASS ACTION WITH HARDLY ANY DEVELOPMENT, WATCH THE ANIME AND ENJOY. THE CHOICE IS YOURS, YOU'VE HAVE BEEN FORMERLY WARNED. LAST NOTE: I KNOW ALOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT ADAPTIONS, BUT THIS ONE IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE MANGA, IT'S NOT SOMETHING AS SMALL DETAILS BEING REWRITTEN, THERE'S ALOT OF CHANGES. |
DebaserApr 4, 2012 9:35 AM
| Stop with the fucking capslock, dude... |
| Jojolion anime when? |
midgemage said: I read the manga, and personally I was impressed with the adaptation. If you really paid any sort of attention at all while reading and watching, you'll understand that it's logistically impossible to fully tell the story at a competent level, in anime form, without kicking the episode count well into the triple digits. Whining that it's different means next to nothing in this context because it doesn't say anything about whether the series is in fact a good work. Sure, they compressed a lot of the material into a significantly smaller time frame, and made a surprising change by having Jin know both Kouga kids from childhood, but overall the first episode was interesting and (in my eyes) captured the essence of Jin's childhood arc very well. If anything, I would have thought the people who haven't read the manga would be less satisfied, since they would lack a lot of the later context that lets you empathize with Jin. The only thing I'm even remotely worried about is that, with a compressed story, Kouga's solo arc will possibly be booted to allow for more of the Evol plot to unravel. I don't think it is at all impossible. I don't know how many episodes are going to be in this season, but it looks very well that this could be a twenty six episode series the rate they're going |
| Some people just don't seem to be learning. Once you've read about 20 manga and watched the adaption you should clearly know that comparing manga and anime is bullshit and should never happen. I didn't enjoy the anime because it clearly lacks flawless animation which (in a series that's all about fighting) should not happen. I could care less about the story in the anime, guess why. EXACTLY. I read the manga for gods sake. -.- If you've read the manga you watch an adaption to see a manga you liked being animated and if you haven't read the manga you're just watching another show that seemed likeable. Those who've read the manga should know how the story goes anyways and shouldn't complain about the anime lacking plot since you can't adapt everything out of the manga with too few episodes. |
| I honestly think if they want to read manga they will do it without you have to tell them. |
 "A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
| Mangas are always better xD, but I won't read it until I finish the chapters of D.Gray Man, then I will try to start Zetman. I liked the first episode but I will not say that is awesome or bad until I watch more episodes. |
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| It's the same old words. "Manga is better than Anime" I've hardly seen anime adapted as good as manga though, let alone better. It's a given. Anyway, for a non-reader like me, the first episode looks very good. At this rate, it can possibly aim for 80th percentile of score in my list. I'm sure you are right about Manga being better. And reading it first will just spoil my enjoyment watching anime. So why should I? I can just go read manga later. But anyway, I'm tired of a long-run manga that I can't see the end. I prefer watching 3 months or 6 months of anime that comes out every week without annoying skipping. |
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| i did started reading since ch 20 then stopped when i heard about the anime and don't plan continue lol why read it? i wan't to enjoy the anime i really no care how was adapted |
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KiraYoshikage said: This is true in most, read the manga. When you have done, the anime you'll find it disappointing.In addition, you will never have a real purpose. You have nothing to lose because it's a wonderful manga. Why am I the only one weirded out by this? |
| we are 1 fucking episode in and we already got this crap again? |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| I have had zetman on my plan to read list for a while now, but when I heard an anime adaption was releasing I decided to watch it instead. Im actually glad that its going to be different to the manga, as now it gives me an excuse to read/watch both, instead of basically reading what I have already seen or vice versa if I had read the manga first. |
| So basically, this is a waste of time? Good, because I so called it. Lucky I didn't pick it up. |
Nidhoeggr said: Seriously, just do it. This is a ridiculous adaption. KiraYoshikage said: This is true in most, read the manga. When you have done, the anime you'll find it disappointing.In addition, you will never have a real purpose. You have nothing to lose because it's a wonderful manga. Thanks for the warning. I was about to download and watch this series but now I will put the manga on my plan to read instead. I already saw non faithful adaptations and they all suck. |
| Lol Luflazari said: Lol. When I first heard of the Zetman anime I was like "really? this is awesome!" then moments later i had flashbacks of all of my favorite mangas that were butchered when they were adapted into anime. All it took was one look on MAL for me to confirm my fears. 13 EPISODES!. WHAAATT!? I just knew there was gonna be something wrong with the anime.Nidhoeggr said: Seriously, just do it. This is a ridiculous adaption. KiraYoshikage said: This is true in most, read the manga. When you have done, the anime you'll find it disappointing.In addition, you will never have a real purpose. You have nothing to lose because it's a wonderful manga. Thanks for the warning. I was about to download and watch this series but now I will put the manga on my plan to read instead. I already saw non faithful adaptations and they all suck. |
DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: we are 1 fucking episode in and we already got this crap again? 100% Agreed. Like midgemage* (lol'd, typed midgemaid) also said, this cannot be properly adapted unless you want to make a supra-long series. I'm a huge fan of the manga, but I've seen and read enough series (as Vudis said) to know not to compare or you'll just rage. The anime isn't bad, and I personally enjoyed how fast it went through all of this while also going around it differently. I quite enjoyed it, that's all. Imo, the most annoying thing related to the subject of anime/manga comparison, if you truly want to stick to it, is when an anime starts off identically to a manga, switches small details here and there for no reason, and ends it in a horrible way completely different to the manga. In that case, they act as if being a real anime adaptation then the director decides that he can make a better ending. Goddamnbokuranoclaymoreetc. If the anime, right from episode 1, goes in its own route, then it's too bad but I do prefer this. I won't feel betrayed halfway through and am already able to enjoy this without thinking of the source as much as I usually would. Thus, noticed this was enjoyable in its own rights. Opinions differ, but yeah I also rec giving the manga a read. It might as well be after watching the entire series, to enjoy it twice like ElPysCongroo said. After one episode I can't know if the anime will manage to be great, it's just assuming for a nice outcome since so many fail to please from start to end. My right to hope afaik. The REAL point that might be a problem here (imo, since that's what I'm most interested in with zetman's adaptation) will be with the actual mature content and more gorey moments. How the hell are they going to do "The Orgy" chapter? Skip it entirely? It's even one of the most impressive character developments for related-character, I'd be disappointed ;A; I'd rather laugh at how they ruined it and just be happy I've read and enjoyed its original form, than not get to see anything of it. It'll still be disappointing if they make it horrible, but that's life, will just get over it. |
HakoriaApr 8, 2012 4:19 PM
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| I saw the first episode a few days ago and was amazed by how almost insultingly unfaithful it was to the source material. I am NOT a stickler for frame-to-frame manga-perfect adaptations at all; I am a Berserk fan, for example, and take no issue with the changes issued to the original TV series from the manga, despite some exclusions of characters and scenes, toning down of gore and sex and compacting of the story. However, this Zetman anime is unacceptable to me. Not only does it dumb down the mature content, it completely gets things out of order, adds things that never happened, introduces characters far earlier than they should have, and turns the vibe from dark and mature to some....weird....I don't even know. The whole thing feels incoherent and silly and betrays the story and feel of the manga, which is where it becomes truly unacceptable. This just sucks, I'm sorry. |
KaiZodd said: I saw the first episode a few days ago and was amazed by how almost insultingly unfaithful it was to the source material. I am NOT a stickler for frame-to-frame manga-perfect adaptations at all; I am a Berserk fan, for example, and take no issue with the changes issued to the original TV series from the manga, despite some exclusions of characters and scenes, toning down of gore and sex and compacting of the story. However, this Zetman anime is unacceptable to me. Not only does it dumb down the mature content, it completely gets things out of order, adds things that never happened, introduces characters far earlier than they should have, and turns the vibe from dark and mature to some....weird....I don't even know. The whole thing feels incoherent and silly and betrays the story and feel of the manga, which is where it becomes truly unacceptable. This just sucks, I'm sorry. This is exactly how I feel. I never wanted a one to one adaption, but at least an adaption that doesn't change nearly everything. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
Redzinx said: THIS WORLD IS FREE U NOT GONNA MAKE ME READ ANYTHING BRO Agreed. I'm lazy as fuck too. I prefer to watch/read/absorb my entertainment without having to click buttons or flip pages. Now I just need to invent a device that reads your mind and switches pages for you! |
blahrgness said: Agreed. I'm lazy as fuck too. I prefer to watch/read/absorb my entertainment without having to click buttons or flip pages. Now I just need to invent a device that reads your mind and switches pages for you! Or you can install Auto Pager and just scroll down whenever you're reading. |
| Read the manga? HELL NO. Why would I? So I can bitch and moan about the anime too? No thank you, I'm very much enjoying the anime as it is. Maybe after the anime ends. So far, I LOVE the anime. My friends and I get together each week and watch the latest episode, and we have a great time each time. So no, keep your whining to yourselves. |
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KiraYoshikage said: So why destroy this anime experience? Why destroy the manga? If watching the anime is gonna ruin the whole manga experience, then the manga sucks for sure. |
| The question you guys really need to ask yourself is this "how is possible to add 177chapters worth of manga, into a 12episode, 23min per anime".. You guys complain without reasonable logic. |
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| I loved the manga, and I think the anime is nice. The anime has much things changed, but I still like it. I don't agree with every change they made, but I think the anime is still nice to watch. |
kwills88 said: The question you guys really need to ask yourself is this "how is possible to add 177chapters worth of manga, into a 12episode, 23min per anime".. You guys complain without reasonable logic. The correct question would be "Why try to find in as much content as possible (easily 100+ chapters) into a 13 episode anime, when the manga isn't even close to an ending?" The idea to do a 1-cour series in the first place was horrible from this perspective. The could've easily made the whole childhood into a 2-cour series with a high, but still acceptable pacing.... |
| Jojolion anime when? |
| Because it's stupid to spend the funds on a 2 cour project if its not profitable, durr |
Syllen said: Because it's stupid to spend the funds on a 2 cour project if its not profitable, durr Or they could've waited and do an adaption of another project that would be easier toa dapt in it's current state. But for cheap profit (and not even that, as preorders suggest), they sacrificed the story for an unfaithful...thing that just falls flat. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
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