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| Cliffhanger, what will happen to Mayushi, will she be safe? |
| Despite the fact that Daru is the father being so obvious, they still did it extremely well. So much stuff happened in this episode. Time to go be depressed waiting for a week. |
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saka said: Holy shit! That gets me excited for next episode suddenly as *Yumekichi11 finishes reading his buddy's post* Counter attack of Okabe against SERN because he is a mad scientist and it's so cool! Son of a bitch SERN! ROFL!His D-mail told his past self to "Don't follow Suzuha, It's a trap by SERN" so he steered clear of her altogether. Because Okabe did not distract her from her mission by promising to find her father, she did not wait and the time machine did not get ruined by the rain. Suzuha went directly back and continued her mission, and presumably succeeded in significantly altering the timeline -- but not 1% yet. In the unsuccessful jump she committed suicide, but in the jump after the D-mail she died peacefully so presumably she felt she had succeeded in her mission. What does that all mean? It means the IBN should have once again appeared at the shrine, where Okabe can find it and launch his counterattack against SERN. saka said: No way! O_O Dude you made my jaw drop! Amane may be Feiris? Can cross reference to her real name? Found nothing but now got spoiled what happens and I can tell you all that the possibilities are infinite how they may arrange that.I also have the suspicion that Feiris is Suzuha's mother. I base that solely on Okabe's promise of a date with Daru (since overwritten) and on the bone structure of her face compared to Suzuha. Since Okabe is talking with her in the episode preview, I expect there could be some trigger for this in the next episode -- but maybe I'm reading too far into that as well. |
hikaricore said: And in Beta, Kurisu is dead. :p So the obviously happy end outcome would rely on continued divergence in the original direction.. None of this changes the obvious and apparent fact that the closer they get to it the more likely she is to die which was my whole point. Spoiler quote next time, okay? I would've prefered to learn it by watching the show. |
Kansokusha said: hikaricore said: asuramachina226 said: So is Mayushii still gonna die or is not gonna die at all now? I know Okabe changed the timeline, but did he save Mayushii or did he just postpone her death? The closer they move towards a 1% divergence the more likely it is that Mayushii is going to die. Mayuri is DEAD in the Alpha Attractor Field which has a divergence ranged from 0.000000% to 0.999999%. The only escape is to climb through 1% divergence, the Beta Worldline, or below 0% - It doesn't matter how close the timeline gets to the two ends. If it's still within the Alpha Attractor Field, she's dead. Deader than dead. Tho no one can say for sure if Mayuri will survive in those worldlines as the future is unknown. holy crap my head hurts |
Solkiskey said: hikaricore said: And in Beta, Kurisu is dead. :p So the obviously happy end outcome would rely on continued divergence in the original direction.. None of this changes the obvious and apparent fact that the closer they get to it the more likely she is to die which was my whole point. Spoiler quote next time, okay? I would've prefered to learn it by watching the show. ProTip: It's not a spoiler if you're actually watching the series and paying attention. |
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| Daru’s the father of Suzuha? Impossible!(jk) The time-travel machine can only travel backward... yeah my theories are probably right then. You can only time-travel to the past. Daru seems to be getting killed by me soon >.< Daru’s the father of Suzuha FOR REAL!? NWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Reading Signer ftw! So Daru got married? :O So Daru had sex-fantasies thad considers his daughter? He really is a hentay >.< Mayushi’s farewell moved my heart ;( So... who’ll open the door? Suzuha or Shining Finger? MR. BRAUN? Suzeha died... just two episodes rest and we get drama again... So Suzuha really failed because she wanted to see her dad =\ Her life was wasted... not much can be said here, this anime got point in overall score on the “Drama” section. Suicide? But why!? The Butterfly effect. It’s like I felt he was triggering it, back then. So he’s ereasing the timeline. The drama here is on max level... NO! Not this Fate thing again ;( Suzuha is like going to become one of my favorite characters =\ Has Mayuri been saved? No score on this episode less than 4 [: |
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| so sad, suzuha ;__; with her arc ending, what's up next? |
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hikaricore said: Solkiskey said: hikaricore said: And in Beta, Kurisu is dead. :p So the obviously happy end outcome would rely on continued divergence in the original direction.. None of this changes the obvious and apparent fact that the closer they get to it the more likely she is to die which was my whole point. Spoiler quote next time, okay? I would've prefered to learn it by watching the show. ProTip: It's not a spoiler if you're actually watching the series and paying attention. Protip : not everyone understands everything. |
| And guess how much that isn't my problem in any way, shape, or form? :) It's pointless having episode discussions if I have to censor my speculation and understanding of the events that have occurred. I refuse to cater to the stupid and lazy who will probably still not understand a damn thing after watching the very last episode. If you don't want anyone possibly ruining anything for you I suggest you simply don't involve yourself in said discussions. |
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| After this emotional episode, I found myself in tears when I listened to Suzuha's image song again. Despite having an undying determination and the will to sacrifice everything, no1 can go against the cruel fate. Oh Suzuha... the girl who goes in cycle... the girl who will never see a better future... Steins;Gate Image Song - In the Rainbows of Light - Labmen No.008 Amane Suzuha -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
KansokushaJul 24, 2011 3:32 AM
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| Mayuri is alive but it's Makise turn to be missing. Damn, this show is so suspense. |
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| The show was accelerated a few episodes ago and is getting quite interesting. This episode was emotional again. The letter, monologue and tears of Suzuha penetrated into my mind like sad rain drops. The long and loose line that should be a period tells her regret________ By the way, I don't get the reason why she didn't ask Mr. Braun to give Okabe the letter earlier than the day he stopped her to leap to 1975? (^-^; We cannot change the past without a time machine but we can change the future without it, right? Anyway, Okabe had read the letter and has changed the past and the future, at least in some degree. |
hikaricore said: And guess how much that isn't my problem in any way, shape, or form? :) It's pointless having episode discussions if I have to censor my speculation and understanding of the events that have occurred. I refuse to cater to the stupid and lazy who will probably still not understand a damn thing after watching the very last episode. If you don't want anyone possibly ruining anything for you I suggest you simply don't involve yourself in said discussions. Geez, no wonder I thought you spoiled, the episode I downloaded was missing the last scene. Sorry for that. |
| Well it was pretty obvious since the previous episode, but to think it is Mayuri that makes the connection make you think you think that it is true that you can't judge a book by it cover; and to think how Daru was hitting on her all this time. For one I am relieved that Mayuri didn't bite it one more time. |
| Damn, so much happened and Daru appeared to be(come) her father after all. Kind of cool Mayuri figured it out. Who would've thought! |
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kuroneko99 said: The show was accelerated a few episodes ago and is getting quite interesting. This episode was emotional again. The letter, monologue and tears of Suzuha penetrated into my mind like sad rain drops. The long and loose line that should be a period tells her regret________ By the way, I don't get the reason why she didn't ask Mr. Braun to give Okabe the letter earlier than the day he stopped her to leap to 1975? (^-^; We cannot change the past without a time machine but we can change the future without it, right? Anyway, Okabe had read the letter and has changed the past and the future, at least in some degree. They cannot change the future without time machine in S;G world. |
| Did she get the IBN to them after Okabe sent the D-mail or what? |
| What's going to happen from now on? I can't think of anything, but that is good because the less I know the more surprises will come. It's still sad that Suzuha won't come back. |
zorapup said: Xer0117 said: Did she get the IBN to them after Okabe sent the D-mail or what? Good question. Probably won't find out until next ep. Agh the suspense is killing me! (Which is very good for a mystery show...) |
otakuthon49 said: The subs were out 1-2 hours ago... She wasn't able to find the IBN 5100, but the divergence meter has slightly changed to when Mayuri will still be alive in this timeline. Thus ends the Suzuha arc (??). So depressing... ;_; 10/10 In the game, the Suzuha arc ends differently. The main difference being that instead of sending a D-mail, he time leaps. |
And what if all love is an act of bravery? Could you look me in the eye and say that you are not afraid?  |
Reaper71 said: otakuthon49 said: The subs were out 1-2 hours ago... She wasn't able to find the IBN 5100, but the divergence meter has slightly changed to when Mayuri will still be alive in this timeline. Thus ends the Suzuha arc (??). So depressing... ;_; 10/10 In the game, the Suzuha arc ends differently. The main difference being that instead of sending a D-mail, he time leaps. I thought he couldn't time leap far enough in time to stop himself? Which is why he had to use the D-mail? |
| Well.... technically he could time leap almost infinitely backwards up until the point where he met Kurisu, however he would first need to exactly memorize the schematic and science behind the time leap machine so as to relay it to her or build it himself. This way he could jump back a couple days at a time depending on the duration needed to build the device. Not saying it would be easy, but it isn't impossible. |
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| hum...papa Daru. LOL. anyway another great ep. but Okarin was definitely more devastated than Daru for loosing the part time warrior. |
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| "But...the Future Refused to Change" They changed it a small bit, with Mayuri surviving longer and Suzuha dying because of an illness, but they are no where close to a happy end with 0.4%, so it's applicable. Well, forthe ones hating Mayuri it probably would be and happy end.. With this time travel and world lines, everyone can pick his favorite ending. Don't like character x? Just chose the right timeline. By the way, did anyone notice the lack of "tuturu" lately? It was annoying when she did it all the time, but it's funny when she suddenly does it when you don't expect it. |
| May someone remind me when the very first "D-mail" was sent? I mean, if the solution lies in leaving no trace to it to SERN, can't they just send another D-mail letting their past selves to do so? ... However, I have a feeling something larger than SERN is behind the dystopian future. In the first episode and the "first" world line, it seemed like another Okabe was present there too, possibly from the future; he was trying to warn the Kurisa in that world line, but he apparently failed. I have a theory that there's an "original" future Okabe somehow, who started the chain of events seen through the Okabe we know, and trying to achieve something we don't know as of yet. |
SighingSlider said: May someone remind me when the very first "D-mail" was sent? I mean, if the solution lies in leaving no trace to it to SERN, can't they just send another D-mail letting their past selves to do so? You can't use D-mail do undo the very 1st one. This will only create yet another trace to be intercepted by the Echelon. It will start all over again. Suzuha's suggestion is probably the only way out. SighingSlider said: However, I have a feeling something larger than SERN is behind the dystopian future. SERN is just a research institute. If they can somehow gain access to the Echelon, there must be sum greater power behind them. One will know the true identity of this shadow power if u have knowledge of Chaos;Head's plot. As it's itself a conspiracy theory and merely mentioned even in the original VN, it doesn't hurt that they dropped it in the anime. SighingSlider said: In the first episode and the "first" world line, it seemed like another Okabe was present there too, possibly from the future; he was trying to warn the Kurisa in that world line, but he apparently failed. I have a theory that there's an "original" future Okabe somehow, who started the chain of events seen through the Okabe we know, and trying to achieve something we don't know as of yet. We'll see. That mail attached with a noise video which Okabe received in ep1 is also a critical clue. In the VN, if Okabe(the reader) check this mail again in later chapters, u will notice it contents only a series of random codes. |
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hikaricore said: Well.... technically he could time leap almost infinitely backwards up until the point where he met Kurisu, however he would first need to exactly memorize the schematic and science behind the time leap machine so as to relay it to her or build it himself. This way he could jump back a couple days at a time depending on the duration needed to build the device. Not saying it would be easy, but it isn't impossible. But what if it takes two days to build the machine? Then he wouldn't be able to get anywhere. Your suggestion sounds theoretically sound but practically impossible (memorizing exactly how to build a time machine and building it in less than two days)...how did they manage this in the VN I wonder? |
Riga92 said: Ah I fail to be specific sometimes. I meant not enough change to save Mayuri.Valentiln said: Actually the divergence did change, it went from 0.337187 to 0.409431.Also, Daru is 19 while Okabe is 18. And I also fail to read the subtitles with caution sometimes; missed the word 'over' in the sentence 'my daughter's over 30 years older than me' Anyway, thanks for stating the age. Didn't know they were that young. Not that I mind though ;D |
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| Massive mindf**k. This is too much for mah brain to handle. Can already see several time paradoxes. |
Ahohime said: Massive mindf**k. This is too much for mah brain to handle. Can already see several time paradoxes. Remember, there is only one world line. John Titor/Suzuha already explained that there can't be time paradoxes. The ONLY thing left over when the timeline changes is Okabe's memories, because of his "Reading Steiner" |
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| Mayuri lives! For now... we can't be sure about any side effects, if any, but in the meantime she is safe, and she can continue living past her appointed time with Death. If anything, this show has proven that serious consequences do happen whenever they try to change the future. The next episode will probably show the effects of what just happened. The hourglass especially, appears to foreshadow an as-yet-unknown side effect. I will miss Suzuha, though, she was an awesome character. Will we see her again? With the D-Mail sent, Daru would not know again that Suzuha is in fact, his daughter from the future, but if that is what it takes to keep her from dying a horrible death many years later, then fine. |
| damn so good the divergence timer still below 1% but mayuri still alive what okarin send in D-mail |
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| After carefully rewatching certain parts of the series, I noticed something that doesn't quite add up. In episodes 2-16, Suzuha's time machine is shown not to work until Daru fixes it in episode 16. However, Suzuha uses her time machine and presumably travels to 1975 in episode 10 without Daru having had to fix it. How can this be? The answer to this question affects quite a lot. Suzuha's actions in Episode 10 occur in World Line 0.409420%, and in Episode 17 the divergence is pushed even higher than that, which warrants the question: did the events of Episode 16 even happen after Feyris reverses her D-Mail? Does Daru remember learning that Suzuha is his daughter? Also, Daru doesn't secretly have a thing for Mayuri does he? |
RedMage23Aug 12, 2011 12:37 AM
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RedMage23 said: After carefully rewatching certain parts of the series, I noticed something that doesn't quite add up. In episodes 2-16, Suzuha's time machine is shown not to work until Daru fixes it in episode 16. However, Suzuha uses her time machine and presumably travels to 1975 in episode 10 without Daru having had to fix it. How can this be? Suzuha's time machine is working fine. In ep. 10 she left before the storm, but Okabe sent a D-mail to stop her, thus she never left and the rain damaged her time machine. |
bakuramariks said: Lol, someone didn't pay attention. Her time machine gets damaged by an storm after Okabe stops her from leaving. After Okabe stopped himself from stopping her Suzuha leaves the day she planned without any problems.RedMage23 said: After carefully rewatching certain parts of the series, I noticed something that doesn't quite add up. In episodes 2-16, Suzuha's time machine is shown not to work until Daru fixes it in episode 16. However, Suzuha uses her time machine and presumably travels to 1975 in episode 10 without Daru having had to fix it. How can this be? Suzuha's time machine is working fine. In ep. 10 she left before the storm, but Okabe sent a D-mail to stop her, thus she never left and the rain damaged her time machine. |
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bakuramariks said: Suzuha's time machine is working fine. In ep. 10 she left before the storm, but Okabe sent a D-mail to stop her, thus she never left and the rain damaged her time machine. Ah, thank you. I hadn't gotten around to rewatching episode 16 yet, so I had been under the belief that her time machine stopped working because it crashed, not because of the storm. Thanks for clarifying that. But still, the question is still there: after the divergence goes beyond 0.409031%, does Daru still remember learning that Suzuha was his daughter? Or does he just remember her leaving after not having met her father? |
RedMage23Aug 13, 2011 3:27 PM
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RedMage23 said: Only Okabe should remember that since the current Suzuha left as originally planned. That of course doesn't stop either Daru or Suzuha from experiencing something similar to Faris and Ruka and their remembering details from other world lines subconsciously. In fact that may be why she used the name Hashida even when she shouldn't rightfully know her father is Daru.But still, the question is still there: after the divergence goes beyond 0.409031%, does Daru still remember learning that Suzuha was his daughter? Or does he just remember her leaving after not having met her father? |
Leon-GunAug 13, 2011 3:46 PM
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| Aww, its a shame we dont get to see 50yr old Suzu, but I guess we're only supposed to see the teenage version of her! Creative styling and all that! Yey, more and more optimism is here as Okabe saves Suzu's mission and that changes things enough that Mayuri is alive past the point of fate killing her. Wooo! Although, I do wonder if this is going to borrow a styling from Clannad, in that we have happy episode, happy episode, TRAGIC UNHAPPY episode, happy episode..... |
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| At first I thought Suzuha was an odd character. Now she's just plain awesome. Her letter is just emotional and depressing.. the fact that she had to repeatedly blame herself proves how guilty she must have felt. ;_; |
| Suzuha is the only character whom I don't think the anime does justice, at least so far. I really hope the ending gives closure to her story, because I feel like essentially just ceasing to be a character 2/3 into the show is unfair to her (especially because she's probably the second most interesting character in the show). |
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| this episode was exhausting from having to watch suzuha leave to okabe reading the letter with suzuha saying she failed to suzuha inevitably dying was really really sad but at least mayuri was saved and the divergence is getting closer to 1% edit: i'm not really good at reading between the lines and such but when i read this.. that made me even sadder It might not be much but if you notice Suzuha’s shadow was swinging back and forth so it showed her hanging with Mr. Braun’s surprised expression. That really made me sad. That because she failed she committed suicide the letter on the roof added to the emotional toll. |
JnMegamiAug 27, 2011 8:38 PM
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| Could Mayuri be the mother hahah xD, just thought of it out of the blue |
| Powerful stuff, wow. Especially the part where he read the letter and she said, "I failed" over and over and over again. Not much else to say, I'm having a bit of trouble getting my thoughts together after this episode. Some part of me wonders if it is "right" for Okabe to be interfering like this. I mean, for example Daru and Suzuha now will never know that they are father and daughter. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| This was sad. =( |
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ChronosXIII said: And the D-mail Rintarou sent didn't change anything either; It did change something ;). |
RadiGen said: Could Mayuri be the mother hahah xD, just thought of it out of the blue That's disgusting... We all know Christina and Mayuri both belong to Okarin. Tu-tu-ruuuu she is back! |
| Does anyone happen to know the name of the soundtrack that is played during the scene in which they are reading out the letter? Thanks in advance. |
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