| Due to a recent ruling by the CRTC Canadians now have extremely limited bandwidth caps, which makes video streaming next to impossible. In Ontario the bandwidth cap is now set at 25gb per month, in Quebec the cap is now set at 60 gb per month. I'm not quite sure what the rates will be in the other provinces, but I'm assuming they will be closer to the 25 gb limit due to less major competition. This link is the full decision (full of legalese) This site explains everything in common english (biased against the ruling of course) The rates for going over this specified usage cap are varying, but are in the neighbourhood of $2.00-$3.00/gb. According to Netflix HD streams take about 1gb/hour of usage. By using this formula if you watched every Crunchyroll simulcast weekly you would be using approximately 34 gb/month, going over your cap by 10 gb/month without counting for other usage. I was going to renew my premium account when it expires on the Feb 11-2011 as I like a couple of this season's simulcasts, but due to my bandwidth being dropped from 200gb/m to 25gb/m on Mar 1-2011 I will no longer be doing so, as my regular internet usage without streaming eclipses 50gb/month, and I will no longer be able to afford my bill. (And even though the amount of bandwidth I'm allowed is being lowered the cost of my internet bill will be going up in the range of $5.00 a month on top of the 8X increase from the 200 to 25.) I'd like to be able to continue to support the anime industry by watching legal streams (Crunchyroll and FUNImation's Youtube channel), but due to federal regulation in favour of anti-competitive business plans I will no longer be doing so. I have also posted this on Crunchyroll (premium group) and Reddit for more visibility. How will this be affecting your anime watching now that you know about this? edited to add links to Reddit and CR post. |
mandralyneJan 28, 2011 2:53 PM
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| Yup, monopolies are ugly, ugly things. Even Especially when they hide behind the guise of "socialism." It makes it so much easier for them to do whatever they want when they're openly supported by the government. |
Mandralyne said: Due to a recent ruling by the CRTC Canadians now have extremely limited bandwidth caps, which makes video streaming next to impossible. In Ontario the bandwidth cap is now set at 25gb per month, in Quebec the cap is now set at 60 gb per month. I'm not quite sure what the rates will be in the other provinces, but I'm assuming they will be closer to the 25 gb limit due to less major competition. This link is the full decision (full of legalese) This site explains everything in common english (biased against the ruling of course) The rates for going over this specified usage cap are varying, but are in the neighbourhood of $2.00-$3.00/gb. According to Netflix HD streams take about 1gb/hour of usage. By using this formula if you watched every Crunchyroll simulcast weekly you would be using approximately 34 gb/month, going over your cap by 10 gb/month without counting for other usage. I was going to renew my premium account when it expires on the Feb 11-2011 as I like a couple of this season's simulcasts, but due to my bandwidth being dropped from 200gb/m to 25gb/m on Mar 1-2011 I will no longer be doing so, as my regular internet usage without streaming eclipses 50gb/month, and I will no longer be able to afford my bill. (And even though the amount of bandwidth I'm allowed is being lowered the cost of my internet bill will be going up in the range of $5.00 a month on top of the 8X increase from the 200 to 25.) I'd like to be able to continue to support the anime industry by watching legal streams (Crunchyroll and FUNImation's Youtube channel), but due to federal regulation in favour of anti-competitive business plans I will no longer be doing so. I have also posted this on Crunchyroll and Reddit for more visibility. How will this be affecting your anime watching now that you know about this? You should link to the Crunchyroll and Reddit posts. Also that is incredibly asinine. There is no reason to have caps such as that. |
Drunk_Samurai said: You should link to the Crunchyroll and Reddit posts. Also that is incredibly asinine. There is no reason to have caps such as that. Thanks, I forgot to link them. And supposedly, according to Bell Canada and Rogers it's because there isn't enough bandwidth to go around. Same reason why they throttle down all users speeds between 3pm-midnight (including those who aren't their customers). |
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Mandralyne said: Drunk_Samurai said: You should link to the Crunchyroll and Reddit posts. Also that is incredibly asinine. There is no reason to have caps such as that. Thanks, I forgot to link them. And supposedly, according to Bell Canada and Rogers it's because there isn't enough bandwidth to go around. Same reason why they throttle down all users speeds between 3pm-midnight (including those who aren't their customers). Oh. Thought you meant you posted it to the Crunchyroll forums. How could they throttle people who are not members? |
| @Mephablo; The 25gb cap hasn't been officially announced, but my the president of my ISP has talked about it on the DSLReports forum, since Bell already has their DSL capped at 25gb/month in Ontario, and they are forcing their competitors who rent the lines from them to have the same packages. CTV has had very little about UBB because they are owned by Bell. CBC is just starting to catch on as of a couple weeks ago, and have had a couple stories about it. I'm waiting on the official email from CNOC and my ISP, and I will be posting it. @DrunkSamurai; Bell can throttle people who aren't their customers because they own the phone lines that transport the DSL connections. It was a ruling from the CRTC in late 2008/early 2009. |
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Mandralyne said: It won't :)How will this be affecting your anime watching now that you know about this? |
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| great our Rogers bill is expensive enough now we have this:/ |
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| Here is the actual link to the decision: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2011/2011-44.htm. I realize OP provided it, but nobody seems to be reading it. It's not that hard, really. I'd like to point out that OPs post is mostly pure speculation. The CRTC ruling does one thing: it allows telcoms (companies that actually own physical networks of wires, fiber, etc) to sublet their network to other companies on a usage-based basis at the wholesale level. The openmedia site that OP linked is factually full of lies. This is a win for telcos over small ISPs because previously the CRTC forced them to sell access to their network to small ISPs for a flat fee. That is, the large companies couldn't control how much load these small companies put on their network. This is turn allowed small ISPs to offer better deals to individuals than larger companies could afford to give. This was done to promote competition in the ISP industry, but I personally think it's rather unfair. Imagine you own an oil company: how would you feel about being forced to sell unlimited quantities of oil to a gas station for a flat fee? The decision says absolutely nothing about charging individual residential customers per gigabyte. In fact, you're already allowed to do this in Canada. It's just not done because it's unpopular with the marketplace. Further, if you currently receive internet access from a major Canadian provider, this is likely good for you - your provider will lose less money to small ISPs, and small ISPs will likely have to stop providing unlimited data plans, which will cut down on people who really abuse the network. If you do currently benefit from an unlimited data plan through a company that doesn't own physical network, you will likely be paying more for internet in the near future. Can we please stop running around screaming? |
SolanioJan 28, 2011 8:00 PM
| $2-3 over the limit is Canadian dollars right? |
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Akamitsu said: is that what they call it? canadian dollars? always sounded funny to me.$2-3 over the limit is Canadian dollars right? |
CottonCandyLover said: Akamitsu said: is that what they call it? canadian dollars? always sounded funny to me.$2-3 over the limit is Canadian dollars right? yes it's called that :P |
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| Well the last time I heard about Bell was the 60gb cap with the new change that there'll be no cap for extra charges. Then we switched to Rogers. Which has a 200gig cap, but I'm guessing that'll change soon too. Solanio said: I knew it wouldn't be that drastic. Thanks. |
| lol internet provider in Canada are such cheap fucks. Everywhere else in the world is 100x less expansive, and I am not exaggerating with the 100x, I'm serious about it and they don't put stupid limit to download/upload there are still few unlimited download/upload 5mbits/1mbits providers left in Ontario/Quebec, I hope they'll remain that way so that one day I can change. I have to pay extra 20$ just to get extra 120 gb each month... that's just pathetic. 60 gbit I can download that in 1 week without even noticing. |
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| woa... i thought i had some awful internet problems... but it looks like it realy sucks in Canada... i wonder how this is gonna affect some of the Canadians i kno... |
     "If only if only, the woodpecker cried, the bark on the tree was as soft as the sky" || ♪My mind, heart is broken♫ |
| Ugh, I hate Bell. They've been screwing us over for a while now. We used to have an "unlimited" package, but then they ninja nerfed it to something low like 25gb/month. I think this was back in 2008/09? There was a higher package, but it was much more expensive. However, we've been slowly increasing our limit by calling Bell whenever we notice them offering a new package for the same amount we're paying but with higher bandwidth caps and speed. It's still absolutely ridiculous. Especially when you live in a household of more than one person. Even though I've gotten used to being OCD with how much I download, 60gb is hardly enough. |
Solanio said: Here is the actual link to the decision: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2011/2011-44.htm. I realize OP provided it, but nobody seems to be reading it. It's not that hard, really. I'd like to point out that OPs post is mostly pure speculation. The CRTC ruling does one thing: it allows telcoms (companies that actually own physical networks of wires, fiber, etc) to sublet their network to other companies on a usage-based basis at the wholesale level. The openmedia site that OP linked is factually full of lies. This is a win for telcos over small ISPs because previously the CRTC forced them to sell access to their network to small ISPs for a flat fee. That is, the large companies couldn't control how much load these small companies put on their network. This is turn allowed small ISPs to offer better deals to individuals than larger companies could afford to give. This was done to promote competition in the ISP industry, but I personally think it's rather unfair. Imagine you own an oil company: how would you feel about being forced to sell unlimited quantities of oil to a gas station for a flat fee? The decision says absolutely nothing about charging individual residential customers per gigabyte. In fact, you're already allowed to do this in Canada. It's just not done because it's unpopular with the marketplace. Further, if you currently receive internet access from a major Canadian provider, this is likely good for you - your provider will lose less money to small ISPs, and small ISPs will likely have to stop providing unlimited data plans, which will cut down on people who really abuse the network. If you do currently benefit from an unlimited data plan through a company that doesn't own physical network, you will likely be paying more for internet in the near future. Can we please stop running around screaming? Having higher bandwith limits is never unfair. |
| The news media is finally picking up on it. So far the most unbiased sources I'm finding are from the Globe and Mail newspaper, and the CBC- the two sources that are not owned by the major companies. Globe and Mail up until just recently was owned by BellGlobeMedia aka BCE aka Bell Canada. Note that: CTV and affiliates are partially owned by Bell and will soon be wholly owned by them, Global is owned by Shaw, CityTV is owned by Rogers. I purposely made the OP a bit inflammatory because it seems no common internet user seems to know about this. I did post the link to the CRTC ruling in my opening as well. Right now I have half a dozen tabs open to various news articles, and will be spamming my facebook feed with them all day. As I have been doing more of less for the past couple of months whenever I encountered an article or CRTC ruling. Also the DSLReports forum has a thread for news articles and videos related to UBB. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25379692-Globe-Other-2011-44-UBB-articles |
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| Something to actually complain about in Canada, for a change. God, that's terrible. Basically saying "Hey, citizens, stop using new media!". |
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Mandralyne said: The news media is finally picking up on it. So far the most unbiased sources I'm finding are from the Globe and Mail newspaper, and the CBC- the two sources that are not owned by the major companies. Globe and Mail up until just recently was owned by BellGlobeMedia aka BCE aka Bell Canada. can you link the to the globe and mail and cbc articles? |
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| Sorry if this is a double post. I have just received this email from my ISP regarding UBB and the changes it will be making to my bill. I have only copy/pasted part of it as the rest of the email is how to log into the new billing portal and order information. Teksavvy Solutions said: Usage Based Billing-UBB As some of you know, the CRTC recently rendered a decision forcing all independent DSL and Cable Internet providers to substantially match incumbent (like Bell) usage rate caps. This will influence all of our internet service packages eventually, but DSL residential customers in Ontario and Quebec first, as of March 1. Along with you, we are not pleased with this, and our view is more fully expressed in our press release which you can find here: http://www.teksavvynews.com/ From March 1 on, users of the up to 5 Mbps packages in Ontario can expect a usage cap of 25GB (60GB in Quebec), substantially down from the 200GB or unlimited deals TekSavvy was able to offer before the CRTC's decision to impose usage based billing. Users who were on unlimited package rates will be returned to $31.95 capped rates although larger blocks of bandwidth can be purchased.* In order to facilitate this transition we have constructed a new easy-to-navigate portal at https://myworld.teksavvy.com where our customers can choose from the amended and new packages. The details of our new rate plans and charges can be found there. You will be able to register using the account information found at the end of this email. More on the portal below. In addition, in order to accommodate these changes, we have amended our Terms of Service, primarily regarding implementation. The amended Terms form part of your Agreement with TekSavvy and can be viewed at https://secure.teksavvy.com/en/termspolicies.asp. Please note if you do not choose a new service before March 1, 2011, your existing package will be transitioned into an amended package. Existing packages and the ones they will be replaced with in each case can be found at http://teksavvy.com/en/faq-ubb_on.asp for Ontario and http://teksavvy.com/en/faq-ubb_qc.asp for Quebec. Content and data like Netflix, YouTube, IPTV, large file downloads or other streaming services can consume large amounts of bandwidth and place your cap limits in jeopardy very quickly. We encourage you to monitor your usage carefully, as the CRTC has imposed a very high overage rate, above your new monthly limit, of $1.90 per gigabyte ($2.35 per gigabyte in Quebec). The CRTC did however provide an option for insurance usage blocks at $4.75 per 40GB block per month, which can be purchased if you want to reduce your cost for use above 25GB (60GB in Quebec). Ontario and Quebec up to 5 Mbps users with a monthly limit of 25GB and 60GB respectively: Insurance Blocks Offered: * $4.75 - 40GB extra usage * $9.50 - 80GB extra usage * $14.25 - 120GB extra usage (maximum 3 blocks) * $55.00 - 275GB extra usage (maximum 240GB extra usage in Quebec) To select a new package please visit https://myworld.teksavvy.com You will be able to register using the account information found at the end of this email. Unhappy With the UBB Decision? So Are We!-Join Us! The CRTC decision to impose UBB on the whole market is a big win for Bell and other major carriers, but a big hit to everyone else. To view the CRTC decision, go to: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2011/2011-44.htm Like our customers, and Canadian internet users everywhere, we are not happy with this new development. We will continue our efforts to fight the imposition of exorbitant bandwidth charges on usage with virtually no incremental cost to Bell and other UBB carriers, and we will develop strategies to restore the usage levels and costs our customers have come to expect. But we need your support to succeed, and get back to the cost structure we have a right to expect. If like us you are disappointed with the CRTC's decision, make your views known on UBB and what it means to you (and Canada frankly) by going to www.stopthemeter.ca, where you will find a petition against UBB. Sign it, get involved, and together we will make a difference! Let everyone you know understand that Canada is about to become the most expensive internet market in the industrialized world! We will keep you informed of our efforts, and look to you for your help. If you would like to get more involved go to these links to make your thoughts known and join this battle: * www.stopthemeter.ca - signing the petition will now automatically send our Minister of Industry, Tony Clement, the person politically responsible for the CRTC, an email. * Join the twitter campaign at http://act.ly/2kw * Join the Facebook campaign http://www.facebook.com/notes/openmediaca/stop-the-meter-on-your-internet-use/455248704798 |
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ukonkivi said: Something to actually complain about in Canada, for a change. God, that's terrible. Basically saying "Hey, citizens, stop using new media!". I am already complaining about my fucking cell phone bill. 45 dollars a month and basically all it is used for is texting and the occasional phone call. I don't have voice mail or caller ID. I have nothing but unlimited texts and the lowest amount of minutes I could get. :/ Canadian Internet is ass too. :( Though really, on the West here I've not heard much about it. My University has a huge expansive network, and I will be moving back there in August in year round housing. Luckily internet is included in these fees. |
Neverarine said: woa... i thought i had some awful internet problems... but it looks like it realy sucks in Canada... i wonder how this is gonna affect some of the Canadians i kno... ya this will realy effect me oh well if known about this for a while oh well. mandrynale (my sister been cramming this down everyones thoughts for a while) |
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nerb said: it does but not as much as streaming does |
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| It's all ready shitty enough with 60GB a month with $2/GB over the plan limit in one household with three PC's, getting it cut down even more is going to hurt. |
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nerb said: dynamo_electron said: it does but not as much as streaming does Are you serious? ya 1 horus of streaming is 1gb so ya you can dowload alot for 1 gb |
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Mandralyne said: chibidee said: can you link the to the globe and mail and cbc articles? Globe and Mail Articles (there is an Editorial posted as well) http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/tech-news/crtc-issues-small-isps-discount-on-usage-based-billing-fees/article1882339/ http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/a-metered-internet-is-a-regulatory-failure/article1881250/ (editorial) http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/digital-culture/globe-on-technology/crtc-ruling-handcuffs-competitive-market-teksavvy/article1778211/ CBC http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2011/01/25/tech-crtc-bandwidth.html http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2011/01/20/consumer-internet-ndp.html http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/10/28/crtc-usage-based-billing-internet.html (early article from when this first started as an issue) Financial Post http://business.financialpost.com/2011/01/25/crtc-gives-small-isps-a-break-on-usage-based-billing/ Reuters (there is incorrect information and a misquote of Rocky Gaudrault from Teksavvy Solutions in this article) http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/25/canada-internet-idUSN2525466020110125 Montréal Gazette http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/CRTC+sets+usage+based+billing+rates+small+ISPs/4166230/story.html Vancouver Sun http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/techsense/archive/2011/01/25/consumer-backlash-over-usage-based-internet-billing-goes-viral.aspx CTV Southwestern Ontario http://swo.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110127/crtc-internet-ruling-billing-caps-110127/20110127/?hub=SWOHome Thank you Mandralyne said: Sorry if this is a double post. I have just received this email from my ISP regarding UBB and the changes it will be making to my bill. I have only copy/pasted part of it as the rest of the email is how to log into the new billing portal and order information. Teksavvy Solutions said: Usage Based Billing-UBB As some of you know, the CRTC recently rendered a decision forcing all independent DSL and Cable Internet providers to substantially match incumbent (like Bell) usage rate caps. This will influence all of our internet service packages eventually, but DSL residential customers in Ontario and Quebec first, as of March 1. Along with you, we are not pleased with this, and our view is more fully expressed in our press release which you can find here: http://www.teksavvynews.com/ From March 1 on, users of the up to 5 Mbps packages in Ontario can expect a usage cap of 25GB (60GB in Quebec), substantially down from the 200GB or unlimited deals TekSavvy was able to offer before the CRTC's decision to impose usage based billing. Users who were on unlimited package rates will be returned to $31.95 capped rates although larger blocks of bandwidth can be purchased.* In order to facilitate this transition we have constructed a new easy-to-navigate portal at https://myworld.teksavvy.com where our customers can choose from the amended and new packages. The details of our new rate plans and charges can be found there. You will be able to register using the account information found at the end of this email. More on the portal below. In addition, in order to accommodate these changes, we have amended our Terms of Service, primarily regarding implementation. The amended Terms form part of your Agreement with TekSavvy and can be viewed at https://secure.teksavvy.com/en/termspolicies.asp. Please note if you do not choose a new service before March 1, 2011, your existing package will be transitioned into an amended package. Existing packages and the ones they will be replaced with in each case can be found at http://teksavvy.com/en/faq-ubb_on.asp for Ontario and http://teksavvy.com/en/faq-ubb_qc.asp for Quebec. Content and data like Netflix, YouTube, IPTV, large file downloads or other streaming services can consume large amounts of bandwidth and place your cap limits in jeopardy very quickly. We encourage you to monitor your usage carefully, as the CRTC has imposed a very high overage rate, above your new monthly limit, of $1.90 per gigabyte ($2.35 per gigabyte in Quebec). The CRTC did however provide an option for insurance usage blocks at $4.75 per 40GB block per month, which can be purchased if you want to reduce your cost for use above 25GB (60GB in Quebec). Ontario and Quebec up to 5 Mbps users with a monthly limit of 25GB and 60GB respectively: Insurance Blocks Offered: * $4.75 - 40GB extra usage * $9.50 - 80GB extra usage * $14.25 - 120GB extra usage (maximum 3 blocks) * $55.00 - 275GB extra usage (maximum 240GB extra usage in Quebec) To select a new package please visit https://myworld.teksavvy.com You will be able to register using the account information found at the end of this email. Unhappy With the UBB Decision? So Are We!-Join Us! The CRTC decision to impose UBB on the whole market is a big win for Bell and other major carriers, but a big hit to everyone else. To view the CRTC decision, go to: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2011/2011-44.htm Like our customers, and Canadian internet users everywhere, we are not happy with this new development. We will continue our efforts to fight the imposition of exorbitant bandwidth charges on usage with virtually no incremental cost to Bell and other UBB carriers, and we will develop strategies to restore the usage levels and costs our customers have come to expect. But we need your support to succeed, and get back to the cost structure we have a right to expect. If like us you are disappointed with the CRTC's decision, make your views known on UBB and what it means to you (and Canada frankly) by going to http://www.stopthemeter.ca, where you will find a petition against UBB. Sign it, get involved, and together we will make a difference! Let everyone you know understand that Canada is about to become the most expensive internet market in the industrialized world! We will keep you informed of our efforts, and look to you for your help. If you would like to get more involved go to these links to make your thoughts known and join this battle: * http://www.stopthemeter.ca - signing the petition will now automatically send our Minister of Industry, Tony Clement, the person politically responsible for the CRTC, an email. * Join the twitter campaign at http://act.ly/2kw * Join the Facebook campaign http://www.facebook.com/notes/openmediaca/stop-the-meter-on-your-internet-use/455248704798 So, we should begetting a letter like that from Rogers soon im guessing. We won't even be able to watch anything online anymore. |
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| Heres a link to a facebook group openmedia.ca where they have more info and a link to an online petition. http://www.facebook.com/notes/openmediaca/stop-the-meter-on-your-internet-use/455248704798 http://openmedia.ca/meter |
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| I have no freaking idea how Rogers could possibly want this much extra money if we were paying a crapload of money/month in the first place. First, we had no limits. Then they imposed a 60GB limit, which my dad upped to 90GB by paying like $10 extra each month. In the end we had to settle down for a smaller company, Acanac, who currently have no limit, but hey - they're still using Rogers lines. The speed is atrocious and our phone cuts out 24/7. But at least we won't get charged crazy extra fees. This is a house with 6 people, four of which are gamers, used torrents or streams on a regular basis, and two of those watch a shitload of anime. It's like our internet is going back to the stone age. I don't understand - is the infrastructure here really that complicated to set up? My hubby used to get unlimited, fast internet in Upstate NY FOR PENNIES. What is it about Canada that has to make it so expensive? The best part is that they removed the cap for the charge you are billed when you go over the limit. Say it's $2-3/GB, if you went 100GB over, and the cap was $50 extra, you'd pay that. Now they'll just charge you $300, yay! That number might be an overstatement, but our household has gone 50GBs over, easy, like we don't even know where it's disappearing. What's really weird to me is that they used to have all this stuff. For example, my cellphone had unlimited incoming calls, all sorts of minutes and unlimited texting plus free calls to local Rogers numbers. It was $50. Now they don't even offer unlimited incoming calls anymore, I just got to keep it because my contract started in 2005. How are they going to gain new customers if they keep cutting down features? I wish I understood, but I don't. Anyhow, to put it in perspective for you...It's $2-3 CAN, no limit on how much extra you can get charged. The Canadian dollar is pretty much equal to the US dollar right now. |
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| Well, i don't live in Canada, but I do stream my videos. I don't know my own bandwidth but my streaming speed is agonizingly slow. |
| I suppose that means alot of Canadians are gonna have to cut back on anime? I feel sorry for them :( |
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| Also keep in mind that these are the same people who have a monopoly (because let's face it, they do) on our cable and phones. They don't want to compete with cheaper and better services like Skype, iTunes, Netflix, etc. So they're making it so we have no choice but to use their overpriced phone services and limited and commercial ridden television options. I for one have stopped watching traditional television years ago seeing as I can access anything I want to watch online whenever I want. Apparently I wasn't alone in this and Bell/Rogers have taken notice. They refuse to get with the times and continue to cling to their outdated services. |
Jrittmayer said: I suppose that means alot of Canadians are gonna have to cut back on anime? I feel sorry for them :( indeed we will but we willl not go down without a fihgt |
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| It's ALWAYS !@#$ing cold up here and now my anime streaming is being limited? God has forsaken us :/ |
| uh oh. :/ |
| If only I could legally purchase services from Comcast... |
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