Jigoku Sensei Nube (2025) Episode 4 Discussion

what the hell kind of sick fuck is so lazy piss out the Window insted of walking to the bathroom

also the later post where miki is shaking her tatas when shes supposed to be a 5th grader?

we really live in a world where the "sane" person or the person whos NOT a "freak" is the one calling a fictional character a "literal child"

oh well, i guess social media is all about finding reasons to demonize other people

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this is honestly the only thing that needs responding as the rest of it is basically just your preference



why make fiction (especially art) if you feel like you HAVE TO to follow real world rules?

these are drawings, and a fantasy, thats the entire point of art... creative freedom and expression, to escape reality

real people are not art

well part of how some people become attracted to idealized, made to be flawless, fictional characters is through sexual content... you know like... irl? (not to compare, just saying) so i don't know what to tell you otherwise

what you stated could easily still be applied to a character 18+ you're just obsessing over her fictional age

its not like 18 y/os don't get exploited irl... shit, they probably get exploited the most

I personally don’t mind the removal of fan service as this remake seems more focused on the horror aspect of the series unlike the previous anime, however I might check out the original or read the manga for fan service.

A great way I love to counter brain dead people who say “That is a child, you a a freak”, just say “If I kill a person in a game, am I a murderer?” and just like that, they have no leg to stand on. Fiction is fiction, none of it is real.

Oh Miki, she overestimated herself...

Tbh, I found this episode rather weird with her character. I know she's very outspoken but the long neck and psychic admiration went over her head. As expected, it's still up to Nube to deal with the problem like usual. Poor guy, he can't ever catch a break.

Damn censorship💢💢💢... we didn't get the fanservice that was Hiroshi pissing out his window. /sarcasm



I'm damn excited that this episode happened. I loved the original, but of course this adaptation is also quite different from the original. Though god damn, this had ALL of the magic of the original episode.

EDIT: Replaced AB frames with a handmade AVIF of the scene, because stills don't have the same impact. Also changed /s to /sarcasm, because we've all seen other people use shorthand that we don't understand, and I think it's only fair to make it easier to read.

That's a child. Why do you wish they kept the sexualization of 5th graders.

I wish the website didn't allow freaks like you. She's supposed to be a literal child.

This adapted chapter 32. Damn, it's skipping more chapters than the original version. Maybe they're just trying to get to the chapters that have never been adapted before as quickly as they can (as in the chapters in the latter half of the manga). And yeah, episodic monster of the week shit. At least they're not adapting early chapters in a much later episode like the original version did.

Figured it was a form of astral projection, but it was weird how everyone could see it. And yes, she learned it watching that shady program! LOL

we really live in a world where the "sane" person or the person whos NOT a "freak" is the one calling a fictional character a "literal child"

oh well, i guess social media is all about finding reasons to demonize other people

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@EcchiGodMamster That would depend on the creator entirely. Broadly speaking, all fiction still follows societal norms unless the work happens to be trying to make a point by portraying otherwise. Such as murder is wrong, stealing is wrong, children are to be protected, etc...

Of course, none of it is "real," but neither are video games, fictional books, or live-action entertainment. No, people are not art, and fanservice doesn't contribute to the abuse of real-world children. However, people become emotionally invested in the well-being of characters in works of fiction and want to see them thrive and achieve their goals. If Geralt from the Witcher slaughtered women and children for fun, then he wouldn't be beloved. If he had a sexual relationship with Ciri as a young teenager, he wouldn't be beloved.

Is it real? No, but writing a good character implies the viewer has attachment and views them as 'human' even if the work of art isn't real. If anything, I understand characters in fiction more so over irl humans because we see their inner monologues and are explicitly shown their struggles and suffering.

Usagi Drop's ending is hated by most people as being disgusting and vile, but it hasn't hurt anyone. But what it did do is over the entire manga, viewers grow fond of Rin and for non-parents, many would think "is this what having a child is like?" But to then have the ending that it did, it provokes an emotional rather than a logical response that acknowledges it "doesn't matter", because it's just fiction.

It really comes down to why an individual watches anything at all and why an artist creates anything at all. There's not a definite right or wrong way to make art it simply comes down to the goal as to what emotional response the creator wants to evoke. It just so happens that the reboot of this show wants to be dark and serious rather than light and pretty fanservicey.

The people who claim you're a freak or degenerate are responding emotionally as they immerse themselves by acknowledging the children being actual children. It really does come down to preference that people generally don't want fanservice of any character in their serious shows, especially fictional children. I think I represent a fairly large majority in that I can't take a show with a fairly large amount of fanservice seriously or immerse myself in it really at all.

Clearly, you watch anime for different reasons than most. I've seen your profile many times in the past lol. At the end of the day, it's to each their own. If you bothered to read all this shit, thanks for that.

@Zudoba Preference is certainly one part, but we can't act like art doesn't reflect reality in a particular sense, even when it's in an entirely different world with different or additional rules, physics, etc. This is troubling for the same reason of any fiction that is more grounded (albeit Hell Teacher Nube involves literal demons and the like in folklore), since it would suggest a possible looser regard for particular norms in regards to sexualizing of minors, probably moreso if we get to elementary school.

I'm all for freedom of expression in art and fiction, the difficulty comes up in the potential implication of trends in writing. Of course, authors can, like any person, compartmentalize, and it's probably not some kind of correlation even with just mangaka in Japan as a sample size that they're more likely to be p*dos or such. Deeds and patterns of consumption should be more the issue, especially the former, given actual victims are a primary concern, not fictional lolis and the like

Kentaro Yabuki, afaik, has no such issues in his history, he has at least 1 daughter and 2 sons, the daughter at an age she'd be going out on her own anyway. And the art Kentaro Yabuki did for To-LOVE-Ru would make you think otherwise, while Nobuhiro Watsuki honestly might've had some examples in later series, RuroKen doesn't seem to have much that I recall in that angle, but Busou Renkin, possibly even Embalming so slightly with the female lead. And well...we know what happened with Watsuki about 8 years ago.

they could just as easily have both

if theyre willing to show blood and gore, they should be willing to show tits and ass, if not, its nothing more than a double standard

and yes, both those things aside the original is still better



apparently violence is far more acceptable than female characters being sexualized

@holdingnothing I think a part of it is that the sensibilities of Japan in the late 90's and early 2000's were such that "ecchi humor" was basically everywhere. Dragonball had it with many of its underage female characters and whatnot. I mean, genuine CP wasn't made illegal until the late 90's and was still legal to possess until 2015, which may or may not have influenced what has been created over the years.

The way it feels is that Japanese children grew up consuming cartoons with a lot of sexual content but less violence, whereas I, an American, consumed much more violence, but our cartoons are basically devoid of any blatant sexual content. Women are still not treated equally in Japan as in other developed nations, which also may or may not influence how often fanservice is depicted. We can consider that the fanservice is intended towards middle school to high school boys, but whether that ends up being a negative influence on their treatment of the women around them, I have no idea. Consuming violence as a child certainly hasn't made me a violent person, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

There is an argument to be made as well that genuine pedophiles who rather consume ecchi or hentai content depicting fictional minors keep them away from real children, but I also have no genuine proof one way or the other for that.

if its not a real person then its not more of a problem than killing people in video games

the same dumbass "it normalizes this and that" argument has been used for violence in video games for decades now and anyone could argue "real or not, its still a person being killed"

yet i HIGHLY DOUBT you care as much (if at all) about that as you do about something like Miki being sexualized

its all bullshit and a double standard because (its bad if it happens to women)

end of story

@Zudoba Even transmission of many manga and such was more limited in the 90s especially, even into the late 2000s, it's only in the 2010s that it really started to take off

Sexual content exists in degrees, same as violence. I remember a scene or two that my parents skipped past when I watched True Grit (which feels like a kid wouldn't have really cared much), probably because they were concerned the violence might traumatize me. The scene in question involves I believe Dennis Hopper's character (an early role) has his finger chopped off by his partner in crime, who then gets shot and stabs Dennis Hopper and they both die anyway.

Sexual stuff would've been generally prohibited for me anyway, it was a rarity when a Simpsons episode didn't have them tell me to change the channel (the Treehouse of Horror episodes were pretty tame, I suppose)

A fair point can be made that the intended audience to be ogling Miki would be boys around her age or slightly older, but Izuna's also in the series and she's 14.

And yes, there is probably an element of validity to the idea of consuming such content as a deterrent, but it's like suggesting someone will stop at alcohol or cigarettes and not become a serial substance abuser. The addiction in terms of pornography isn't even something that's reducible to CP, you can find a whole slew of people selling what's often underpinned by religious puritanism about people that claim they're ex addicts of porn. Which from what I understand is a naive way of looking at it even in a Christian perspective, let alone AA and such. If you are an addict, you're in recovery and sober, there's no guarantee you won't relapse, much like going into remission with cancer

@holdingnothing I fully agree, once an addict, always an addict unless the reason someone stopped was very specific or traumatic. Like my history teacher cold turkey stopped smoking because the brand went out of business, and she didn't like the taste of other cigarettes. The case of the "fix" not being enough anymore, leading to more drastic behavior, is reasonable as a concern.

One could try to apply the argument that I might not have the same high of killing people in games and want to kick it up a notch to something else, but most people don't play video games FOR the violence, rather the game has mechanics that are engaging WITH violence. People like movies such as John Wick not purely because they contain violence, but rather, they enjoy watching a powerful main character bring about a "just" revenge on the bad guys. Whereas broadly, people engage with sexual content not for the story or if it's a game, the mechanics, but purely the sexual content.

as soon as people can prove that loli causes real world harm to children or that video games cause real world violence, then there is no argument against the existence of either

anime characters don't even look like real people, theyre HIGHLY idealized and have bodily features real people can never attain

if the characters looked exactly like real people and the person creating them was using real children as reference, then yea, you'd have an argument