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Jan 24, 2015 6:16 PM
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Bartolomeo is just starstruck right now lol. That ending though. Law is definitely wary of this "birdcage".
Jan 24, 2015 6:20 PM
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C'mon! We already know Sabo's identity. It even said so in the episode title! What we've all been waiting for is to see his eyes entire face! Finally... -.- Ah, memories of Sabo's and Luffy's childhood along with Ace.... ;_;

That's not Doflamingo! That's Doflaemon! xD

Of course Doflamingo's alive. Now he reveals the "birdcage" plan. All the anti-Doflamingo forces are in for a real nightmare....

Luffy will fight Doflamingo one-on-one next episode! Can't wait for that!!!
Jan 24, 2015 6:31 PM
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A dragged (flashbacks and obvious revelations) but decent episode. I can imagine what that birdcage is, based on the preview.
Jan 24, 2015 7:10 PM
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Birdcage is when I decided this was my favorite arc in the series. Can't wait to see it animated.
Jan 24, 2015 7:45 PM
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Pretty slow episode. They finally showed Sabo's face, not sure why they were hiding it this hole time though since it was obvious it was him.
Jan 24, 2015 7:47 PM
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Of course Doflamingo would have a plan B. I got spoiled on the name, but it will be interesting to see what it is.
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Jan 24, 2015 7:50 PM
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Meh, this one was rather slow, do we really need a flash back every episode now? Also I swear if they show those stupid animals rampaging around one more time...

As to DF being alive...yeah, no surprises there. At least Sabo and Koala both seem to be pretty interesting *new* characters. The latter already being more interesting then 90% of the females in this show lmao.
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Jan 24, 2015 8:35 PM
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Bartolomeo never fails to make me laugh :)

So hyped for next episode. BIRD CAGE!!!
Jan 24, 2015 8:58 PM
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Epicly slow pace, 8 manga pages

Maybe eventually they'll slow the pace down to 3 episodes per 1 chapter, 2 episodes per 1 chapter is starting to feel so rushed.

Also 5/5 for the content but the episode was so dragged and nothing much really happened so 3/5.

Shape430 said:
Meh, this one was rather slow, do we really need a flash back every episode now? Also I swear if they show those stupid animals rampaging around one more time...

As to DF being alive...yeah, no surprises there. At least Sabo and Koala both seem to be pretty interesting *new* characters. The latter already being more interesting then 90% of the females in this show lmao.

Koala also had a very nice flashback in my opinion. She certainly is my favorite female side character introduced since like, Perona.
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Jan 24, 2015 9:23 PM

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ijuka said:
Epicly slow pace, 8 manga pages

Maybe eventually they'll slow the pace down to 3 episodes per 1 chapter, 2 episodes per 1 chapter is starting to feel so rushed.

Also 5/5 for the content but the episode was so dragged and nothing much really happened so 3/5.



to be fair, it's on average a chapter an episode. last episode went over a chapters worth of content and this one went a little less. this was to end last episode with sabo getting the fruit and using hiken as opposed to destroying the arena with his dragon breath move.

it's just a change in how they wanted to end the episode - did it feel better to see sabo use hiken at the end of last ep, or would it have felt better to have this ep originally start with him getting the fruit?
they're just changing things like that.
Even if they had kept it straight ripped off the manga it would not have felt much different as this episode ended in the same place as the manga.

i'm not saying i disagree that not a whole lot happened this episode but the pace is not getting any slower than it has been.



bartolomeo fanboying will always make me smile
robin looks way better than she did in fishman island arc but koala is one of the best proportioned looking important female so far since time skip.

too bad kyros didnt feel like decapitating anyone else besides mingo. buffalo got it pretty brutal neck snaps never guarentee anything in one piece.

next ep looks hype
Jan 24, 2015 10:05 PM

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I don't read the manga for One Piece, but I'm pretty damn sure I know what he means when he said "Birdcage" Not gonna say cause I know some have not caught onto it yet.

Bartolomeo NEEDS to join the Straw Hat Crew, I love him :D !!!

This is turning out to be the best arc in One Piece ever :O !!!
Jan 24, 2015 10:58 PM

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It dragged too much.

Doffy and Bartolomeo made this episode.
Jan 24, 2015 10:59 PM

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And here we go the Birdcage Battle Royale.
Jan 24, 2015 11:14 PM

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Good episode.

I wonder what this "birdcage" plan is?
Jan 24, 2015 11:59 PM

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A decent episode, next weeks looks a lot better by far.
Jan 25, 2015 1:29 AM

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God... I could kinda deal with the pacing.. but these last few episodes... what the HELL? the animation... the faces are slowly starting to just turn into typical anime instead of the crazy stuff we used to get... why are all the females mouths so damn small all of a sudden? and the fanservice is just ANNOYING.... sure, there was a little bit in the middle of the show (around Enies Lobby) but it was never face in tits and blushing... and the voice actors they start to use for them... Rebecca's voice is SO ANNOYING.
Jan 25, 2015 1:36 AM

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Seeing flashbacks of Ace, Sabo and Luffy always put's a smile on my face, so it's always nice to see them. Good episode overall, this episode could have been centered around Bartolomeo and I would not care. His fanboy outbursts are just hilarious.
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Eltrik said:
ijuka said:
Epicly slow pace, 8 manga pages

Maybe eventually they'll slow the pace down to 3 episodes per 1 chapter, 2 episodes per 1 chapter is starting to feel so rushed.

Also 5/5 for the content but the episode was so dragged and nothing much really happened so 3/5.



to be fair, it's on average a chapter an episode. last episode went over a chapters worth of content and this one went a little less. this was to end last episode with sabo getting the fruit and using hiken as opposed to destroying the arena with his dragon breath move.

it's just a change in how they wanted to end the episode - did it feel better to see sabo use hiken at the end of last ep, or would it have felt better to have this ep originally start with him getting the fruit?
they're just changing things like that.
Even if they had kept it straight ripped off the manga it would not have felt much different as this episode ended in the same place as the manga.

i'm not saying i disagree that not a whole lot happened this episode but the pace is not getting any slower than it has been.



bartolomeo fanboying will always make me smile
robin looks way better than she did in fishman island arc but koala is one of the best proportioned looking important female so far since time skip.

too bad kyros didnt feel like decapitating anyone else besides mingo. buffalo got it pretty brutal neck snaps never guarentee anything in one piece.

next ep looks hype

Last episode was half a chapter, this episode was half a chapter.

The general pace of OP has been 1 ep per chapter and even that is too slow.
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Jan 25, 2015 4:21 AM

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Corontam said:
Good episode.

I wonder what this "birdcage" plan is?


Doflamingo will unzip his trousers and unleash the bird.
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Jan 25, 2015 5:28 AM

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Some decent content this episode, although it's only half a chapter. Seeing Buffalo get his neck snapped was satisfying, just a shame it didn't kill him.

Is it next episode or the one after where things get really slow? I wish they'd blitz through those chapters because I don't want to watch 3-4 episodes of people running around aimlessly, but this is Toei - no doubt they'l drag it out to 5 or 6 episodes -.-
Jan 25, 2015 5:53 AM

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Core1019 said:
Some decent content this episode, although it's only half a chapter. Seeing Buffalo get his neck snapped was satisfying, just a shame it didn't kill him.

Is it next episode or the one after where things get really slow? I wish they'd blitz through those chapters because I don't want to watch 3-4 episodes of people running around aimlessly, but this is Toei - no doubt they'l drag it out to 5 or 6 episodes -.-



people running around..... oh god i am getting punk hazard flashbacks....



pretty solid episode. looks like shit about to go down
Jan 25, 2015 5:56 AM

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one chapter per episode pacing is long gone guys and it ain't coming back

unless they'll make like 15 episodes of filler

but they won't

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yeah, it was really slow in the manga, and will be even slower in anime. I suggest putting it on hold after next two episodes and coming back in 2-3 months
Jan 25, 2015 6:33 AM

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Oh Shiiit next episode is where things get serious now. All was good when the crew arrived at dressrosa but when the word birdcage was said all hell will break loose.
Episode wise I felt it was good the pacing was alright with good action and humor too. Robin-chwaan is still oh so mysterious with her status with the revolutionary army and meeting them during the 2year skip. Birdy-kun is still oh so starstruck especially when he knew that Sogeking=GodUssop he just went haywire.

Luffy and Violet being cautious in unlocking the seacuffs off law was such a lol moment for me, I know whats gonna happen tho so its all good.

Can't wait for the next episode aaahh!!
Jan 25, 2015 7:10 AM

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I don't know what to say about the episode. It was really lame. Only the scenes with the Revolutionary Army were enjoyable, especially Sabo's memories and Bartolomeo himself. The rise of Doflamnigo was weak. They only told us what we all know: that he survived but not why and no action, nothing happened. The birdcage plan can be interesting, but for now I doubt about this. And don't forget Thousand Sunny's crew (Sanji, Nami, Chopper, ...). I wonder what happend with them, since they are no longer part of the show.
Jan 25, 2015 7:15 AM

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Im starting to like the last few episodes because it's just epic~
What's the birdcage? I guess i'll find out next episode
and next episode is Luffy vs Doffy~ OHMAGAWD
Jan 25, 2015 7:47 AM

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Zapredon said:
Corontam said:
Good episode.

I wonder what this "birdcage" plan is?


Doflamingo will unzip his trousers and unleash the bird.


NOOOOOOOOOOOO
Jan 25, 2015 9:34 AM

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Sabo's face reveal was all the progression we got.
All credit goes to Sacred.
Jan 25, 2015 10:20 AM

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bartolomeo fanboying will always make me smile

^Funny guy indeed.
Pretty good episode, can't wait for the next one.
Jan 25, 2015 11:47 AM

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Nice flashback of the 3 brothers. Can't wait to see the next episode, Luffy vs Donflamingo!
Jan 25, 2015 12:24 PM

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Yeah, can someone remind me how the fuck Ace and Luffy did not know Sabo was alive if he was so damn famous? Luffy, fine. I can understand, but Ace?
Jan 25, 2015 1:00 PM

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Yeah, can someone remind me how the fuck Ace and Luffy did not know Sabo was alive if he was so damn famous? Luffy, fine. I can understand, but Ace?

Maybe Sabo got all famous after the Marineford event?
or maybe people recognize him just as a Revolutionary Commander without knowing his name.
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yhunata said:
Yeah, can someone remind me how the fuck Ace and Luffy did not know Sabo was alive if he was so damn famous? Luffy, fine. I can understand, but Ace?

Maybe Sabo got all famous after the Marineford event?
or maybe people recognize him just as a Revolutionary Commander without knowing his name.


Possible, but considering how long he's been in the Army, I doubt he gained his fame during those two years. And they quite clearly referred to him as Sabo in this episode.
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Finally Sabo <3.....I saw eyes and mouth and ummmmm.....nose and other stuff.......I can't wait for the bird cage to be adapted :3
Jan 25, 2015 2:07 PM

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yhunata said:
tr1ckst3r said:

Maybe Sabo got all famous after the Marineford event?
or maybe people recognize him just as a Revolutionary Commander without knowing his name.


Possible, but considering how long he's been in the Army, I doubt he gained his fame during those two years. And they quite clearly referred to him as Sabo in this episode.


Why are you assuming that Ace didn't know about Sabo being alive? Because there is nothing about that.

Also note that Sabo is not an unique name that only one person has, and Sabo was supposed to turn into a pirate not a revolutionary.
Do you believe that a person that you think is dead for more than a decade is alive because you hear that some guy that got famous in a organization has his name? Of course not.
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Based on Ace 'last' conversation with Luffy, I'm pretty sure that Ace didn't know that Sabo is still alive.
And Luffy is confined in some island during his training with Rayleigh and he's not the type to read a newspaper, so there's that.
Jan 25, 2015 4:18 PM

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Forget about Sabo... Koala is so kawaiiii... *_*
Jan 25, 2015 4:40 PM

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Bartolomeo never fails to make me laugh :)

So hyped for next episode. BIRD CAGE!!!

This!
Jan 25, 2015 4:52 PM
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Where do you guys see Sabo being famous?
The only guy that recognized him was Diamente no?

If he was any sort of famous wouldn't Bartholomeo know about him? but he didn't.
Jan 25, 2015 6:24 PM

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Hhahah, I love Batelomeo. He is the best in this arc. His admiration of Mugiwara crew is killing me. xD
Jan 25, 2015 6:25 PM

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C'mon! We already know Sabo's identity. It even said so in the episode title! What we've all been waiting for is to see his eyes entire face! Finally... -.- Ah, memories of Sabo's and Luffy's childhood along with Ace.... ;_;

That's not Doflamingo! That's Doflaemon! xD

Of course Doflamingo's alive. Now he reveals the "birdcage" plan. All the anti-Doflamingo forces are in for a real nightmare....

Luffy will fight Doflamingo one-on-one next episode! Can't wait for that!!!


Hhhaha, Ikr. It took more than 5-6 ep. to get to see his face. LOL
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Why are you assuming that Ace didn't know about Sabo being alive? Because there is nothing about that.

Also note that Sabo is not an unique name that only one person has, and Sabo was supposed to turn into a pirate not a revolutionary.
Do you believe that a person that you think is dead for more than a decade is alive because you hear that some guy that got famous in a organization has his name? Of course not.


Their "brother" died, no body found and suddenly, a guy with the same name starts becoming famous. I'd say he would've at least looked. Or are you saying that Ace was that heartless that he just completely forgot about Sabo or shut him out?

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Where do you guys see Sabo being famous?
The only guy that recognized him was Diamente no?

If he was any sort of famous wouldn't Bartholomeo know about him? but he didn't.


Doflamingo's mooks recognised him. Also, barely anyone knows Sabo's connection to Luffy and Ace, so even if Bartolomeo knew, why exactly would he give a shit?
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This episode was great. Things continue to develop a bit. Next week a fight between Luffy and Doflamingo, so that should be super cool. Something to look forward too.


Time to take a little hiatus from One Piece and let some episodes build up again. I hate watching one piece week after week. It's gotta be a marathon for me. Maybe I'll jump back to the manga...
Jan 26, 2015 12:37 AM
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yhunata said:

Doflamingo's mooks recognised him.

Which ones?
If you are talking about the ones in the inside port, didn't they only comment about it once Sabo introduced him and his team to Rebecca?

re-watching it, they do, but they seem to know his name already.
So at least his name is famous yes.
Is his face too?
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Also, barely anyone knows Sabo's connection to Luffy and Ace, so even if Bartolomeo knew, why exactly would he give a shit?

Sure.
But you're forgetting who Luffy's father is.
If Sabo is Luffy's father number 1 man, you'd expect Luffy's number 1 fan to have some knowledge of it, if Sabo's face was any famous.
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Is his face too?


Well, they have to recognise him somehow and I'm more inclined to put my money on his face rather than his hat and pipe.

geearf said:
Sure.
But you're forgetting who Luffy's father is.
If Sabo is Luffy's father number 1 man, you'd expect Luffy's number 1 fan to have some knowledge of it, if Sabo's face was any famous.


Perhaps, but then it kinda contradicts with how Doflamingo's men know him. Then again, if he's Dragon's right-hand, it makes little to no sense if he's not famous at all, i.e. Bartolomeo not knowing him prior to Luffy likely explaining Sabo to him. Maybe Oda just didn't think it through properly.
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yhunata said:
bigivelfhq said:
Why are you assuming that Ace didn't know about Sabo being alive? Because there is nothing about that.

Also note that Sabo is not an unique name that only one person has, and Sabo was supposed to turn into a pirate not a revolutionary.
Do you believe that a person that you think is dead for more than a decade is alive because you hear that some guy that got famous in a organization has his name? Of course not.


Their "brother" died, no body found and suddenly, a guy with the same name starts becoming famous. I'd say he would've at least looked. Or are you saying that Ace was that heartless that he just completely forgot about Sabo or shut him out?


Sabo died 10 years before Ace died, 1 decade(8 years before Ace went in his adventure). Do you know how much time that his? If after that much time you still searching for everybody that you hear has the same name to see if it is the dead person, you're certainly still mourning and in big denial. Luffy and Ace don't looked like that at all.
Ace and Luffy just couldn't go to where his dead body was because of the Celestial Dragons. After the Celestial Dragons left it was to late for searching of a body.
Also note that how much famous Sabo is, and when he became as famous we don't know. You heard some Doflamingo tugs knowing him. But Doflamingo men knowing about him doesn't mean that the general public knows about him. Just like a lot of people didn't knew about Ace, while he was the 2nd in command of Whitebeard, the strongest pirate of that era. He can also have goten really famous during the 2 years of timeskip.
Also we don't know if Ace knew about if Sabo was alive or not.

Is so many assumptions that is better to for now wait and see what the author will say about the topic. If he doesn't ever talks about it, just think of a possibility(there are many) where it makes sense for things to have happened like they happened. Simple!
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yhunata said:
geearf said:
Is his face too?


Well, they have to recognise him somehow and I'm more inclined to put my money on his face rather than his hat and pipe.

geearf said:
Sure.
But you're forgetting who Luffy's father is.
If Sabo is Luffy's father number 1 man, you'd expect Luffy's number 1 fan to have some knowledge of it, if Sabo's face was any famous.


Perhaps, but then it kinda contradicts with how Doflamingo's men know him. Then again, if he's Dragon's right-hand, it makes little to no sense if he's not famous at all, i.e. Bartolomeo not knowing him prior to Luffy likely explaining Sabo to him. Maybe Oda just didn't think it through properly.



Why are you treating Doflamingo's men like they are people with normal knowledge? Are you totally forgetting that Doflamingo is a underworld broker? And that the Revolutionaries tried a lot of times to know how his business was being done, because it directly influenced the Revolutionaries Army. So Doflamingo and his men knowing more about the revolutionary army than others is not far fetched.
Or will you also complain by the fact that Doflamingo's men knew about the dwarves, but everybody else thought they were fairies? And about Kanjurou and Kinemon when nobody else knew about it?
Note how Jesus Burguess the 1s commander of 1 of the Younko, Blackbeard, didn't knew who the hell was Sabo, but Diamante knew about him just with a glance!

Marines and the best underworld broker's men knowing really well about the Revolutionary Army when nobody else have that knowledge isn't something strange and out of place.
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yhunata said:
geearf said:
Is his face too?


Well, they have to recognise him somehow and I'm more inclined to put my money on his face rather than his hat and pipe.

Sure, but I thought it could just be they know his name (he just said it, and said he was from the revolutionary army)
Although I felt that Diamente knew his face (or maybe just then realized it was not Luffy?)

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geearf said:
Sure.
But you're forgetting who Luffy's father is.
If Sabo is Luffy's father number 1 man, you'd expect Luffy's number 1 fan to have some knowledge of it, if Sabo's face was any famous.


Perhaps, but then it kinda contradicts with how Doflamingo's men know him. Then again, if he's Dragon's right-hand, it makes little to no sense if he's not famous at all, i.e. Bartolomeo not knowing him prior to Luffy likely explaining Sabo to him. Maybe Oda just didn't think it through properly.

Well, you could say the Revolution Army operates in the shadow unlike Pirates, so maybe they try to not get much attention to their face? just guessing.
I suppose with Joker being in pretty much all circles but the revolution army (underground, standard pirates, shishibukai, marijoa, G5, connections to one yonkou...), he gets to know a lot more about key people than your average guy.
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I am starting to hate Doflamingo more and more, wish I was there to kick his fucking retarded face into pieces omg. My number 1 villian was Uchiha Madara, now its Doflamingo!
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Oh I didn't see yours while posting mine, we pretty much agree on that.
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