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Mar 1, 2021 7:21 AM
#51
| [quote=Florent3571 message=62162769] MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: TDevil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Literally only one character of relevance died in Shibuya the other characters were either antagonists who didn't have much of if not any characterization and two characters who were only in vol. 0 who didn't have any development. You're not playing fair, I gave you Crust in good faith and you wanna get rid of two major antagonists ? Talk about double standards. Florent3571 said: When half of the deaths in JJK are for shock value it’s hard to take it seriously just like CSM.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. That's crazy 'cause even without the death for shock value, JJK still got more relevant death than MHA.[/quote Florent3571 said: Deaths are the only consequence for you... I’m done quit crying.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Literally only one character of relevance died in Shibuya the other characters were either antagonists who didn't have much of if not any characterization and two characters who were only in vol. 0 who didn't have any development. You're not playing fair, I gave you Crust in good faith and you wanna get rid of two major antagonists ? Talk about double standards. Neither were major antagonists. So neither is Twice I guess. You're gonna tell me that Jogo and Hanami weren't part of the main antagonist group in the same regard as Twice ? Come ON now. I totally give you that he was a better character and that his death is by far the best in both series, but his overall status in the story was the exact same as Hanami and Jogo. Also just so we're clear on who dies in Shibuya and whom I consider a relevant character : Hanami, Jogo, Nanami, Mechamaru and Naobito Zenin. And yes they're ALL at least as relevant as Crust, you can argue that Mechamaru died before Shibuya, but his goodbye scene happens near the end of it, and even then, with GT, that's 4 to 4. |
Mar 1, 2021 9:23 AM
#52
| [quote=MangaOnly69 message=62166236] Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Literally only one character of relevance died in Shibuya the other characters were either antagonists who didn't have much of if not any characterization and two characters who were only in vol. 0 who didn't have any development. You're not playing fair, I gave you Crust in good faith and you wanna get rid of two major antagonists ? Talk about double standards. Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. That's crazy 'cause even without the death for shock value, JJK still got more relevant death than MHA.[/quote Florent3571 said: Deaths are the only consequence for you... I’m done quit crying.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Literally only one character of relevance died in Shibuya the other characters were either antagonists who didn't have much of if not any characterization and two characters who were only in vol. 0 who didn't have any development. You're not playing fair, I gave you Crust in good faith and you wanna get rid of two major antagonists ? Talk about double standards. Neither were major antagonists. So neither is Twice I guess. You're gonna tell me that Jogo and Hanami weren't part of the main antagonist group in the same regard as Twice ? Come ON now. I totally give you that he was a better character and that his death is by far the best in both series, but his overall status in the story was the exact same as Hanami and Jogo. Also just so we're clear on who dies in Shibuya and whom I consider a relevant character : Hanami, Jogo, Nanami, Mechamaru and Naobito Zenin. And yes they're ALL at least as relevant as Crust, you can argue that Mechamaru died before Shibuya, but his goodbye scene happens near the end of it, and even then, with GT, that's 4 to 4. Apparently it's way too hard for you to grasp that one can be extremely pleased by the societal and worldwide consequences of the war while still being underwhelmed by the amount of character death. Character deaths sell the emotionnal impact of an event on the reader, not enough character death means not enough emotionnal impact, emotionnal impact is the main reason any person on earth is consuming fiction in general. I can't write it any simpler than that. In the end yeah, it's a personnal problem, but I really REALLY hate how some of y'all are making me or anyone who critisize MHA look like some unreasonnable bloodthrusty idiot when I'm doing my best at explaining things clearly only for ending up getting answers like this one or straigth up false information about other series. |
Mar 1, 2021 10:09 AM
#53
| [quote=Florent3571 message=62167291] MangaOnly69 said: How many more characters do you want to die too be satisfied? Because if it’s Torino you most likely are getting your wish. Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: TDevil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Literally only one character of relevance died in Shibuya the other characters were either antagonists who didn't have much of if not any characterization and two characters who were only in vol. 0 who didn't have any development. You're not playing fair, I gave you Crust in good faith and you wanna get rid of two major antagonists ? Talk about double standards. Florent3571 said: When half of the deaths in JJK are for shock value it’s hard to take it seriously just like CSM.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. That's crazy 'cause even without the death for shock value, JJK still got more relevant death than MHA.[/quote Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Literally only one character of relevance died in Shibuya the other characters were either antagonists who didn't have much of if not any characterization and two characters who were only in vol. 0 who didn't have any development. You're not playing fair, I gave you Crust in good faith and you wanna get rid of two major antagonists ? Talk about double standards. Neither were major antagonists. So neither is Twice I guess. You're gonna tell me that Jogo and Hanami weren't part of the main antagonist group in the same regard as Twice ? Come ON now. I totally give you that he was a better character and that his death is by far the best in both series, but his overall status in the story was the exact same as Hanami and Jogo. Also just so we're clear on who dies in Shibuya and whom I consider a relevant character : Hanami, Jogo, Nanami, Mechamaru and Naobito Zenin. And yes they're ALL at least as relevant as Crust, you can argue that Mechamaru died before Shibuya, but his goodbye scene happens near the end of it, and even then, with GT, that's 4 to 4. Apparently it's way too hard for you to grasp that one can be extremely pleased by the societal and worldwide consequences of the war while still being underwhelmed by the amount of character death. Character deaths sell the emotionnal impact of an event on the reader, not enough character death means not enough emotionnal impact, emotionnal impact is the main reason any person on earth is consuming fiction in general. I can't write it any simpler than that. In the end yeah, it's a personnal problem, but I really REALLY hate how some of y'all are making me or anyone who critisize MHA look like some unreasonnable bloodthrusty idiot when I'm doing my best at explaining things clearly only for ending up getting answers like this one or straigth up false information about other series. |
Mar 1, 2021 11:01 AM
#54
MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: To be fair a lot of the deaths in JJK seem to be more for shock value. Also, during the interview with Gege (the creator of JJK) he literally said there is a possibility he might revive a dead character. Also JJK only killed off 3 relevant characters in Shibuya. Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Gege never said he might revive a dead character if you're talking about Nobara he said he doesn't know if she's alive or not Nanami, Mechamaru, Naobito, Mahito, Jogo, Hanami and Dagon, that makes 7 |
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Mar 1, 2021 12:19 PM
#55
| [quote=MangaOnly69 message=62167762] Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: How many more characters do you want to die too be satisfied? Because if it’s Torino you most likely are getting your wish. Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: TDevil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Literally only one character of relevance died in Shibuya the other characters were either antagonists who didn't have much of if not any characterization and two characters who were only in vol. 0 who didn't have any development. You're not playing fair, I gave you Crust in good faith and you wanna get rid of two major antagonists ? Talk about double standards. Florent3571 said: When half of the deaths in JJK are for shock value it’s hard to take it seriously just like CSM.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. That's crazy 'cause even without the death for shock value, JJK still got more relevant death than MHA.[/quote Florent3571 said: Deaths are the only consequence for you... I’m done quit crying.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Literally only one character of relevance died in Shibuya the other characters were either antagonists who didn't have much of if not any characterization and two characters who were only in vol. 0 who didn't have any development. You're not playing fair, I gave you Crust in good faith and you wanna get rid of two major antagonists ? Talk about double standards. Neither were major antagonists. So neither is Twice I guess. You're gonna tell me that Jogo and Hanami weren't part of the main antagonist group in the same regard as Twice ? Come ON now. I totally give you that he was a better character and that his death is by far the best in both series, but his overall status in the story was the exact same as Hanami and Jogo. Also just so we're clear on who dies in Shibuya and whom I consider a relevant character : Hanami, Jogo, Nanami, Mechamaru and Naobito Zenin. And yes they're ALL at least as relevant as Crust, you can argue that Mechamaru died before Shibuya, but his goodbye scene happens near the end of it, and even then, with GT, that's 4 to 4. Apparently it's way too hard for you to grasp that one can be extremely pleased by the societal and worldwide consequences of the war while still being underwhelmed by the amount of character death. Character deaths sell the emotionnal impact of an event on the reader, not enough character death means not enough emotionnal impact, emotionnal impact is the main reason any person on earth is consuming fiction in general. I can't write it any simpler than that. In the end yeah, it's a personnal problem, but I really REALLY hate how some of y'all are making me or anyone who critisize MHA look like some unreasonnable bloodthrusty idiot when I'm doing my best at explaining things clearly only for ending up getting answers like this one or straigth up false information about other series. Copy pasting what I said in another thread : Pixie-Bob, Gang Orca and Thirteen. Those are just examples, but they are characters whose disappearance don't hurt much developpent opportunities yet create a small emotionnal void for both the readers and remaining characters and give some credibility to that infamous panel. See ? THAT's what I meant by "middle ground", I never asked for the whole cast to die. You can't seriously tell me that it's not reasonnable and that I was asking for too much. |
Mar 1, 2021 12:59 PM
#56
| [quote=Florent3571 message=62168849] MangaOnly69 said: It’s not an infamous panel. It wasn’t what “YOU” were expecting but that doesn’t make it infamous. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that panel. What are we gonna do harass Hori on Twitter until he kills off more characters? Again, the only opinion that matters to Hori is the one of Japanese fans he doesn’t care what we say on MyAnimeList. A panel loses credibility because it didn’t meet “you’re” expectations doesn’t make it infamous. What we got is better than nothing. We can’t do anything about it so there really is no point in whining about something not happening when nothing will change. Did I want more initial deaths... sure but that’s why I’m waiting until this arc ends to see the final death count maybe you should as well. Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: TDevil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Literally only one character of relevance died in Shibuya the other characters were either antagonists who didn't have much of if not any characterization and two characters who were only in vol. 0 who didn't have any development. You're not playing fair, I gave you Crust in good faith and you wanna get rid of two major antagonists ? Talk about double standards. Florent3571 said: When half of the deaths in JJK are for shock value it’s hard to take it seriously just like CSM.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. That's crazy 'cause even without the death for shock value, JJK still got more relevant death than MHA.[/quote Florent3571 said: Deaths are the only consequence for you... I’m done quit crying.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Literally only one character of relevance died in Shibuya the other characters were either antagonists who didn't have much of if not any characterization and two characters who were only in vol. 0 who didn't have any development. You're not playing fair, I gave you Crust in good faith and you wanna get rid of two major antagonists ? Talk about double standards. Neither were major antagonists. So neither is Twice I guess. You're gonna tell me that Jogo and Hanami weren't part of the main antagonist group in the same regard as Twice ? Come ON now. I totally give you that he was a better character and that his death is by far the best in both series, but his overall status in the story was the exact same as Hanami and Jogo. Also just so we're clear on who dies in Shibuya and whom I consider a relevant character : Hanami, Jogo, Nanami, Mechamaru and Naobito Zenin. And yes they're ALL at least as relevant as Crust, you can argue that Mechamaru died before Shibuya, but his goodbye scene happens near the end of it, and even then, with GT, that's 4 to 4. Apparently it's way too hard for you to grasp that one can be extremely pleased by the societal and worldwide consequences of the war while still being underwhelmed by the amount of character death. Character deaths sell the emotionnal impact of an event on the reader, not enough character death means not enough emotionnal impact, emotionnal impact is the main reason any person on earth is consuming fiction in general. I can't write it any simpler than that. In the end yeah, it's a personnal problem, but I really REALLY hate how some of y'all are making me or anyone who critisize MHA look like some unreasonnable bloodthrusty idiot when I'm doing my best at explaining things clearly only for ending up getting answers like this one or straigth up false information about other series. Copy pasting what I said in another thread : Pixie-Bob, Gang Orca and Thirteen. Those are just examples, but they are characters whose disappearance don't hurt much developpent opportunities yet create a small emotionnal void for both the readers and remaining characters and give some credibility to that infamous panel. See ? THAT's what I meant by "middle ground", I never asked for the whole cast to die. You can't seriously tell me that it's not reasonnable and that I was asking for too much. |
MangaOnly69Mar 1, 2021 1:10 PM
Mar 1, 2021 1:09 PM
#57
Vayetse said: Dagon did one useful thing the entire manga he’s not relevant.MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Gege never said he might revive a dead character if you're talking about Nobara he said he doesn't know if she's alive or not Nanami, Mechamaru, Naobito, Mahito, Jogo, Hanami and Dagon, that makes 7 |
Mar 1, 2021 1:23 PM
#58
MangaOnly69 said: Vayetse said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: To be fair a lot of the deaths in JJK seem to be more for shock value. Also, during the interview with Gege (the creator of JJK) he literally said there is a possibility he might revive a dead character. Also JJK only killed off 3 relevant characters in Shibuya. Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Gege never said he might revive a dead character if you're talking about Nobara he said he doesn't know if she's alive or not Nanami, Mechamaru, Naobito, Mahito, Jogo, Hanami and Dagon, that makes 7 Dagon Put a spoiler tag, you're not on JJK's forum Dagon wasn't relevant ? Reread the shibuya arc while paying attention this time and you'll see how he was relevant. |
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Mar 1, 2021 2:36 PM
#59
| [quote=MangaOnly69 message=62169163] Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: It’s not an infamous panel. It wasn’t what “YOU” were expecting but that doesn’t make it infamous. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that panel. What are we gonna do harass Hori on Twitter until he kills off more characters? Again, the only opinion that matters to Hori is the one of Japanese fans he doesn’t care what we say on MyAnimeList. A panel loses credibility because it didn’t meet “you’re” expectations doesn’t make it infamous. What we got is better than nothing. We can’t do anything about it so there really is no point in whining about something not happening when nothing will change. Did I want more initial deaths... sure but that’s why I’m waiting until this arc ends to see the final death count maybe you should as well. Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: How many more characters do you want to die too be satisfied? Because if it’s Torino you most likely are getting your wish. Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: TDevil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Literally only one character of relevance died in Shibuya the other characters were either antagonists who didn't have much of if not any characterization and two characters who were only in vol. 0 who didn't have any development. You're not playing fair, I gave you Crust in good faith and you wanna get rid of two major antagonists ? Talk about double standards. Florent3571 said: When half of the deaths in JJK are for shock value it’s hard to take it seriously just like CSM.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. That's crazy 'cause even without the death for shock value, JJK still got more relevant death than MHA.[/quote Florent3571 said: Deaths are the only consequence for you... I’m done quit crying.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Literally only one character of relevance died in Shibuya the other characters were either antagonists who didn't have much of if not any characterization and two characters who were only in vol. 0 who didn't have any development. You're not playing fair, I gave you Crust in good faith and you wanna get rid of two major antagonists ? Talk about double standards. Neither were major antagonists. So neither is Twice I guess. You're gonna tell me that Jogo and Hanami weren't part of the main antagonist group in the same regard as Twice ? Come ON now. I totally give you that he was a better character and that his death is by far the best in both series, but his overall status in the story was the exact same as Hanami and Jogo. Also just so we're clear on who dies in Shibuya and whom I consider a relevant character : Hanami, Jogo, Nanami, Mechamaru and Naobito Zenin. And yes they're ALL at least as relevant as Crust, you can argue that Mechamaru died before Shibuya, but his goodbye scene happens near the end of it, and even then, with GT, that's 4 to 4. Apparently it's way too hard for you to grasp that one can be extremely pleased by the societal and worldwide consequences of the war while still being underwhelmed by the amount of character death. Character deaths sell the emotionnal impact of an event on the reader, not enough character death means not enough emotionnal impact, emotionnal impact is the main reason any person on earth is consuming fiction in general. I can't write it any simpler than that. In the end yeah, it's a personnal problem, but I really REALLY hate how some of y'all are making me or anyone who critisize MHA look like some unreasonnable bloodthrusty idiot when I'm doing my best at explaining things clearly only for ending up getting answers like this one or straigth up false information about other series. Copy pasting what I said in another thread : Pixie-Bob, Gang Orca and Thirteen. Those are just examples, but they are characters whose disappearance don't hurt much developpent opportunities yet create a small emotionnal void for both the readers and remaining characters and give some credibility to that infamous panel. See ? THAT's what I meant by "middle ground", I never asked for the whole cast to die. You can't seriously tell me that it's not reasonnable and that I was asking for too much. It'd be extremely presumptuous of me to believe that Hori cares about what I think. Of course I'm not expecting him to change anything (tho I AM praying that he erases Mirio for the volume release but that a whole other topic lol). I'm voicing a complaint about a specific point that imo hurt the arc, people say that my complaint is non-sensical, I answer back, that's discussion, and that's cool ! That's what Im looking for when i write something here. I will admit that I've been unnecessarily vocal about it for the last few days, but it's because I think that it's a matter worth discussing because many people, myself included, were dissapointed and with interesting reasons. But it always ends up with people oversimplifying and deforming the complaint to ridiculous extremes and that ends up killing discussion. All I'm asking for is for people to be slightly more open-minded about a damn manga and to realize that it's super annoying to be told that you haven't been reading correctly one of your favorite series. Anyway, I think I polluted this thread enough so I'll try to not bring up that topic in the future. |
Mar 1, 2021 4:18 PM
#60
Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Literally only one character of relevance died in Shibuya the other characters were either antagonists who didn't have much of if not any characterization and two characters who were only in vol. 0 who didn't have any development. You're not playing fair, I gave you Crust in good faith and you wanna get rid of two major antagonists ? Talk about double standards. Neither were major antagonists. So neither is Twice I guess. You're gonna tell me that Jogo and Hanami weren't part of the main antagonist group in the same regard as Twice ? Come ON now. I totally give you that he was a better character and that his death is by far the best in both series, but his overall status in the story was the exact same as Hanami and Jogo. Also just so we're clear on who dies in Shibuya and whom I consider a relevant character : Hanami, Jogo, Nanami, Mechamaru and Naobito Zenin. And yes they're ALL at least as relevant as Crust, you can argue that Mechamaru died before Shibuya, but his goodbye scene happens near the end of it, and even then, with GT, that's 4 to 4. Twice was apart of the main antagonist group, had character development throughout the manga and was actually important. His character is not the same status as those two one who was mostly a joke and the other who was just a plot device. I didn't even realize Zenin died what a complete waste of space of a character. Crust at least had a standout death and accomplished something but outside one scuffle I don't think Zenon did anything of worth throughout the entire manga. Mechamaru was a plot device, Hanami was barely even a character. I suppose I can give you Jogo since he is relevant and had a big role in the Shibuya arc. So that's two relevant characters. |
Mar 1, 2021 4:24 PM
#61
Vayetse said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Gege never said he might revive a dead character if you're talking about Nobara he said he doesn't know if she's alive or not Nanami, Mechamaru, Naobito, Mahito, Jogo, Hanami and Dagon, that makes 7 Hanami, Mahito, Dagon were all plot devices with next to no character development. There deaths literally mean nothing and change nothing because they were expendable. Naobito might as well just be a literal fucking who because he didn't get any substantial development before his death. Mechamaruw as ultimately a plot device and his development was way too rushed for it to have any impact since the most he did was in his final moments. So yeah literally on two characters are relevant in that list. Vayetse said: MangaOnly69 said: Vayetse said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: To be fair a lot of the deaths in JJK seem to be more for shock value. Also, during the interview with Gege (the creator of JJK) he literally said there is a possibility he might revive a dead character. Also JJK only killed off 3 relevant characters in Shibuya. Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Gege never said he might revive a dead character if you're talking about Nobara he said he doesn't know if she's alive or not Nanami, Mechamaru, Naobito, Mahito, Jogo, Hanami and Dagon, that makes 7 Dagon Put a spoiler tag, you're not on JJK's forum Dagon wasn't relevant ? Reread the shibuya arc while paying attention this time and you'll see how he was relevant. He wasn't relevant. |
Devil_FoodMar 1, 2021 4:28 PM
Mar 1, 2021 5:27 PM
#62
Vayetse said: ONE FIGHT WERE HE IMMEDIATELY LOST...MangaOnly69 said: Vayetse said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: To be fair a lot of the deaths in JJK seem to be more for shock value. Also, during the interview with Gege (the creator of JJK) he literally said there is a possibility he might revive a dead character. Also JJK only killed off 3 relevant characters in Shibuya. Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Gege never said he might revive a dead character if you're talking about Nobara he said he doesn't know if she's alive or not Nanami, Mechamaru, Naobito, Mahito, Jogo, Hanami and Dagon, that makes 7 Dagon Put a spoiler tag, you're not on JJK's forum Dagon wasn't relevant ? Reread the shibuya arc while paying attention this time and you'll see how he was relevant. |
Mar 1, 2021 5:30 PM
#63
Devil_Food said: Vayetse said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: To be fair a lot of the deaths in JJK seem to be more for shock value. Also, during the interview with Gege (the creator of JJK) he literally said there is a possibility he might revive a dead character. Also JJK only killed off 3 relevant characters in Shibuya. Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Gege never said he might revive a dead character if you're talking about Nobara he said he doesn't know if she's alive or not Nanami, Mechamaru, Naobito, Mahito, Jogo, Hanami and Dagon, that makes 7 Hanami, Mahito, Dagon were all plot devices with next to no character development. There deaths literally mean nothing and change nothing because they were expendable. Naobito might as well just be a literal fucking who because he didn't get any substantial development before his death. Mechamaruw as ultimately a plot device and his development was way too rushed for it to have any impact since the most he did was in his final moments. So yeah literally on two characters are relevant in that list. Vayetse said: MangaOnly69 said: Vayetse said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: To be fair a lot of the deaths in JJK seem to be more for shock value. Also, during the interview with Gege (the creator of JJK) he literally said there is a possibility he might revive a dead character. Also JJK only killed off 3 relevant characters in Shibuya. Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Gege never said he might revive a dead character if you're talking about Nobara he said he doesn't know if she's alive or not Nanami, Mechamaru, Naobito, Mahito, Jogo, Hanami and Dagon, that makes 7 Dagon Put a spoiler tag, you're not on JJK's forum Dagon wasn't relevant ? Reread the shibuya arc while paying attention this time and you'll see how he was relevant. He wasn't relevant. relevance: the degree to which something is related or useful to what is happening or being talked about Since when you need character development to be relevant ? Jogo, Hanami, Mahito and Dagon were all from the group of main villains until the end of Shibuya, they were relevant to the story. Thanks to Hanami:Jogo didn't die against Gojo, Itadori used black flash for the first time, Mahito was able to steal the special cursed objects, his death triggered Jogo etc. Thanks to Jogo: Itadori learned about domain expansion, Gojo learned about the group of special grade curse, Naobito's death, Maki is dying, Sukuna has now 15 fingers etc I suggest you to reread the whole manga while paying attention, I just gave you a few examples of how they were relevant, you'll have to find the rest by yourself. Naobito was the head of the zenin clan, his death is literally causing a mess in the actual arc, he had an impact on Maki's grade, his deals with Toji and Gojo have an impact on Megumi's life, one of the main characters, so he was relevant. Mechamaru development started in the tournament arc, it wasn't rushed, pay attention to the story. If you don't care about his death that's your problem but that doesn't mean it's the case for everyone. |
SoukaTheRealMar 1, 2021 6:11 PM
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Mar 1, 2021 5:33 PM
#64
MangaOnly69 said: Vayetse said: ONE FIGHT WERE HE IMMEDIATELY LOST...MangaOnly69 said: Vayetse said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: To be fair a lot of the deaths in JJK seem to be more for shock value. Also, during the interview with Gege (the creator of JJK) he literally said there is a possibility he might revive a dead character. Also JJK only killed off 3 relevant characters in Shibuya. Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Gege never said he might revive a dead character if you're talking about Nobara he said he doesn't know if she's alive or not Nanami, Mechamaru, Naobito, Mahito, Jogo, Hanami and Dagon, that makes 7 Dagon Put a spoiler tag, you're not on JJK's forum Dagon wasn't relevant ? Reread the shibuya arc while paying attention this time and you'll see how he was relevant. Yes and ? Doesn't change the fact he was relevant for the time he had |
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Mar 2, 2021 11:46 AM
#65
| Will this be the comeback to Captain Celebrity to the country that saw him grow?, I hope so, it will be quite the loss if they don't. I don't exactly see him in that panel with the other shades, but that might be just to not make it too obvious, please bring him back. |
Fabrizio00Mar 3, 2021 12:25 PM
Mar 2, 2021 2:54 PM
#66
Vayetse said: Devil_Food said: Vayetse said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: To be fair a lot of the deaths in JJK seem to be more for shock value. Also, during the interview with Gege (the creator of JJK) he literally said there is a possibility he might revive a dead character. Also JJK only killed off 3 relevant characters in Shibuya. Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Gege never said he might revive a dead character if you're talking about Nobara he said he doesn't know if she's alive or not Nanami, Mechamaru, Naobito, Mahito, Jogo, Hanami and Dagon, that makes 7 Hanami, Mahito, Dagon were all plot devices with next to no character development. There deaths literally mean nothing and change nothing because they were expendable. Naobito might as well just be a literal fucking who because he didn't get any substantial development before his death. Mechamaruw as ultimately a plot device and his development was way too rushed for it to have any impact since the most he did was in his final moments. So yeah literally on two characters are relevant in that list. Vayetse said: MangaOnly69 said: Vayetse said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: To be fair a lot of the deaths in JJK seem to be more for shock value. Also, during the interview with Gege (the creator of JJK) he literally said there is a possibility he might revive a dead character. Also JJK only killed off 3 relevant characters in Shibuya. Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Gege never said he might revive a dead character if you're talking about Nobara he said he doesn't know if she's alive or not Nanami, Mechamaru, Naobito, Mahito, Jogo, Hanami and Dagon, that makes 7 Dagon Put a spoiler tag, you're not on JJK's forum Dagon wasn't relevant ? Reread the shibuya arc while paying attention this time and you'll see how he was relevant. He wasn't relevant. relevance: the degree to which something is related or useful to what is happening or being talked about Since when you need character development to be relevant ? Jogo, Hanami, Mahito and Dagon were all from the group of main villains until the end of Shibuya, they were relevant to the story. Thanks to Hanami:Jogo didn't die against Gojo, Itadori used black flash for the first time, Mahito was able to steal the special cursed objects, his death triggered Jogo etc. Thanks to Jogo: Itadori learned about domain expansion, Gojo learned about the group of special grade curse, Naobito's death, Maki is dying, Sukuna has now 15 fingers etc I suggest you to reread the whole manga while paying attention, I just gave you a few examples of how they were relevant, you'll have to find the rest by yourself. Naobito was the head of the zenin clan, his death is literally causing a mess in the actual arc, he had an impact on Maki's grade, his deals with Toji and Gojo have an impact on Megumi's life, one of the main characters, so he was relevant. Mechamaru development started in the tournament arc, it wasn't rushed, pay attention to the story. If you don't care about his death that's your problem but that doesn't mean it's the case for everyone. "Since when you need character development to be relevant ?" Not putting this in spoilers. You being a JJK fan makes it hard enough to take you seriously but I kind of want everyone too see how low IQ you are. FYI none of that shit was relevance, JJK just does a piss poor job with managing its cast because they're all expendable and not really important to the narrative hence why its a fucking joke to really compare the impact of an arc that was years of build up in the making to one in which shit just happened out of nowhere. |
Mar 2, 2021 2:56 PM
#67
MangaOnly69 said: Vayetse said: ONE FIGHT WERE HE IMMEDIATELY LOST...MangaOnly69 said: Vayetse said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: To be fair a lot of the deaths in JJK seem to be more for shock value. Also, during the interview with Gege (the creator of JJK) he literally said there is a possibility he might revive a dead character. Also JJK only killed off 3 relevant characters in Shibuya. Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Gege never said he might revive a dead character if you're talking about Nobara he said he doesn't know if she's alive or not Nanami, Mechamaru, Naobito, Mahito, Jogo, Hanami and Dagon, that makes 7 Dagon Put a spoiler tag, you're not on JJK's forum Dagon wasn't relevant ? Reread the shibuya arc while paying attention this time and you'll see how he was relevant. Let it go, The guy is off his rocker. |
Mar 2, 2021 3:06 PM
#68
Devil_Food said: Vayetse said: Devil_Food said: Vayetse said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: To be fair a lot of the deaths in JJK seem to be more for shock value. Also, during the interview with Gege (the creator of JJK) he literally said there is a possibility he might revive a dead character. Also JJK only killed off 3 relevant characters in Shibuya. Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Gege never said he might revive a dead character if you're talking about Nobara he said he doesn't know if she's alive or not Nanami, Mechamaru, Naobito, Mahito, Jogo, Hanami and Dagon, that makes 7 Hanami, Mahito, Dagon were all plot devices with next to no character development. There deaths literally mean nothing and change nothing because they were expendable. Naobito might as well just be a literal fucking who because he didn't get any substantial development before his death. Mechamaruw as ultimately a plot device and his development was way too rushed for it to have any impact since the most he did was in his final moments. So yeah literally on two characters are relevant in that list. Vayetse said: MangaOnly69 said: Vayetse said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: To be fair a lot of the deaths in JJK seem to be more for shock value. Also, during the interview with Gege (the creator of JJK) he literally said there is a possibility he might revive a dead character. Also JJK only killed off 3 relevant characters in Shibuya. Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: MangaOnly69 said: Florent3571 said: We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.Devil_Food said: Florent3571 said: SupremeTaste69 said: Florent3571 said: If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.SupremeTaste69 said: Dengogiki said: I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show. Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes. You're really gonna have to explain to me two things : 1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ? 2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ? I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast. For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it. Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right? It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it. What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ? And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years. With series like CSM and JJK running in the same magazine it's getting hard to buy that argument, especially when noone is asking MHA to get anywhere near that amount of death of those series (CSM in particular) What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything. Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one. And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle. Gege never said he might revive a dead character if you're talking about Nobara he said he doesn't know if she's alive or not Nanami, Mechamaru, Naobito, Mahito, Jogo, Hanami and Dagon, that makes 7 Dagon Put a spoiler tag, you're not on JJK's forum Dagon wasn't relevant ? Reread the shibuya arc while paying attention this time and you'll see how he was relevant. He wasn't relevant. relevance: the degree to which something is related or useful to what is happening or being talked about Since when you need character development to be relevant ? Jogo, Hanami, Mahito and Dagon were all from the group of main villains until the end of Shibuya, they were relevant to the story. Thanks to Hanami:Jogo didn't die against Gojo, Itadori used black flash for the first time, Mahito was able to steal the special cursed objects, his death triggered Jogo etc. Thanks to Jogo: Itadori learned about domain expansion, Gojo learned about the group of special grade curse, Naobito's death, Maki is dying, Sukuna has now 15 fingers etc I suggest you to reread the whole manga while paying attention, I just gave you a few examples of how they were relevant, you'll have to find the rest by yourself. Naobito was the head of the zenin clan, his death is literally causing a mess in the actual arc, he had an impact on Maki's grade, his deals with Toji and Gojo have an impact on Megumi's life, one of the main characters, so he was relevant. Mechamaru development started in the tournament arc, it wasn't rushed, pay attention to the story. If you don't care about his death that's your problem but that doesn't mean it's the case for everyone. "Since when you need character development to be relevant ?" Not putting this in spoilers. You being a JJK fan makes it hard enough to take you seriously but I kind of want everyone too see how low IQ you are. Lmao you don't need character development to be relevant, example: Levi from snk. You obviously don't know what being relevant to the plot means and I guess that's why you're embarrassing yourself like that, I'll repeat since it seems you're quite slow to understand things "relevance: the degree to which something is related or useful to what is happening or being talked about"...you don't need character development to be related or useful to the plot you know.... Don't be bitter towards JJK just because it has surpassed MHA in sales so easily despite the fact that MHA has 4 seasons, 29 volumes and 2 games. |
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Mar 4, 2021 3:15 AM
#69
Mar 5, 2021 9:57 PM
#70
| LMAO! Was Hawks taking pictures with his cellphone on Rei when she kneeled down before him? Or was he randomly just texting? I think it's fine for top-ranked heroes to know about "One for All." That way, they'll be fully aware of how essential it is not to let the villains get their hands on Deku. |
 She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did! |
Mar 13, 2021 12:42 AM
#71
MangaOnly69 said: We are still in the same arc tho. Okay, then I'm enjoying the series a lot more now than I was during the action sequences of *this* arc. |
Nov 1, 2021 8:53 AM
#72
| I know the topic is not about it but it pisses me off that as expected because Hawks is a hero and Twice a villain noting is done. Anyway, the blame for what happened with Dabi is as much on the mother as on the father. The "I could not do anything" does not exempt you, Shoto's mother says it is everyone's fault but in her word and her way of seeing her husband says the opposite. He did not express himself correctly or listen to her son, she shielded herself by saying or acting as if she were weak and did nothing but allowed her husband to mistreat her son. |
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Apr 7, 2022 1:12 AM
#73
| Okay by this point I think the top pro heroes (at least these 3) would get to know about OFA and AFO and maybe some of his classmates will also get to know about it(?) I mean they should figure it out at this point. Shiggy was so hung up on Deku in that fight and was screaming "I want OFA" to him. They are bond to figure it out. Also dude has like another completely new quikr now. He can literally fly now. So it should be a clear indicator of something weird going on. |
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Aug 25, 2022 5:54 PM
#74
| I think it's okay to tell certain top heroes about OFA. |
Dec 19, 2022 12:19 AM
#75
| It's about time the OFA secret is out, at least the top heroes should know, they are trustworthy and I doubt any of them will betray the heroes. Plus that's what the main villain AFO is after. |
Mar 27, 2023 4:47 AM
#76
| The city is a kaos in all the aspects!!! kekeke |
Jun 30, 8:36 PM
#77
| I love how supportive Hawks is of Endeavor! It's adorable! |
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