Boku no Hero Academia Chapter 303 Discussion

Cinediere said:

2. What Shoto decided to do was harder and stronger while Hawks made the weaker and easier one.

Cinediere said:
This should not the right message to put out there.

Dengogiki said:
Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show.

Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes.

Dengogiki said:
Sweet chapter and all, but I'm honestly getting disappointed with the aftermath so far, after all it had started out with so much potential. I say this now since it looks like we're closing in on the end of that. I feel that this does way too much tell but don't show.

Still, a nice chapter, and I liked the past chapters too. The Todoroki family drama, many find it tiresome (and from others disappointing since the sudden focus shift ever since the Hawks chapter, and there are also people that still argue with this feeling like a retcon due to how it was portrayed for many years before these recent chapters came out). I understand why they would feel the way, but at least it's been rather enjoyable in my eyes.

SupremeTaste69 said:
I understand that this wasn’t you’re head cannon but it’s not disappointing at all. So multiple heroes die (and yes I know the only relevant one was Midnight and she got off-screened but multiple prisons were broken into and over 10K prisoners were released, society has completely lost trust in heroes, Aizawa lost a leg, Torino is probably going to die when Deku wakes up and Deku’s secret is basically out there now. Many civilians have died, pro heroes have retired and you are calling this disappointing... why because a certain character you wanted dead didn’t die GTFO!!!

Florent3571 said:


You're really gonna have to explain to me two things :
1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ?
2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ?

Florent3571 said:


You're really gonna have to explain to me two things :
1. The person you quoted didn't say anything about death counts so why bringing it up ?
2. What does headcanon have to do with being disappointed by the amount of character death ? 'Cause I've seen this term used multiple times to defend the low death count but like how's it a good counter to that critique ?

SupremeTaste69 said:
If you are expecting MHA to kill off characters like CSM you are gravely mistaken. I’m not disappointed in the death count I think it was good enough for a Shonen but I wish we got more information on characters that might be dead like Gang Orca, Mt.Lady, Tamaki and Fat Gum.

Florent3571 said:


I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast.

For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it.

Devil_Food said:

Because that's the best way to shut that argument down. CSM having a huge death count doesn't mean it was good especially when most of those characters who died weren't even important and were mostly expendable. Hell I can do an even better example Akame Ga Kill a series that actually got heavily criticizes for its excessive body count, I wonder why that series isn't highly praised then since by your logic dictates if you kill off characters then the series must be good right?

It feels like everyone who tries to criticize this series only exposes themselves at being inept at reading it.

Florent3571 said:
Coming back quickly to add something that was clarified with the offical release.

Kyoka asks Ochaco on how Deku's body is doing, and Ochaco answers that "it's okay" according to the doctors I guess, making it sound like Deku's arms might be fine after all....

I'm not gonna jump to conclusion right away, but if that's true and Deku doesn't actually suffers long lasting injuries after being warned so many times, this is gonna be a HUGE blow to the actual importance of his fight with Shigaraki.

Devil_Food said:

This sure wont age poorly at all

Florent3571 said:


What on earth is so damn hard to understand in "acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast" ? Like who isn't able to read here ?

And on god stop with the "you can't read" line, it's not the unbreakable argument you think it is, especially with a guy who's been praising the shit out of Horikoshi for the past 3 years.

Florent3571 said:
Coming back quickly to add something that was clarified with the offical release.

Kyoka asks Ochaco on how Deku's body is doing, and Ochaco answers that "it's okay" according to the doctors I guess, making it sound like Deku's arms might be fine after all....

I'm not gonna jump to conclusion right away, but if that's true and Deku doesn't actually suffers long lasting injuries after being warned so many times, this is gonna be a HUGE blow to the actual importance of his fight with Shigaraki.

Florent3571 said:
Coming back quickly to add something that was clarified with the offical release.

Kyoka asks Ochaco on how Deku's body is doing, and Ochaco answers that "it's okay" according to the doctors I guess, making it sound like Deku's arms might be fine after all....

I'm not gonna jump to conclusion right away, but if that's true and Deku doesn't actually suffers long lasting injuries after being warned so many times, this is gonna be a HUGE blow to the actual importance of his fight with Shigaraki.

Florent3571 said:


I find it mindblowing that every time somebody complains about the death count, there's always someone that has to bring up the extremes of CSM, like there isn't an acceptable middle ground between one relevant death and killing your whole damn cast.

For a series that can pride itself of its nuance, any attempt at defending it ends up lacking of it.

MangaOnly69 said:
We don’t know what goes on at Jump. Besides, Japan doesn’t carry about killing off characters it’s only the West it seems like. Can’t complain about deaths when a series like BC killed off a character and brought him back to life as a child.

MangaOnly69 said:
Can you tell me what you want his consequences to be for his fight with Shigaraki? Do you want him to lose an arm, have an arm paralyzed or be handicapped in terms of combat for now on?

Cinediere said:
Time to get my flame shield up again.

I really didn't like this bit:



I really didn't like this at all. Either of these two has been implied from this bit.

1. Shoto made the better decision with always wanting to fix his family while Hawks made the worse decision not to.
2. What Shoto decided to do was harder and stronger while Hawks made the weaker and easier one.

This should not happen. Shouto doing what he did, his right and it's okay (some may argue), but Hawks should not have such thoughts to himself. He literally did nothing wrong. I have no idea why he has such thoughts when he expressed not being shackled anymore and he was given away as a child to be a governmental tool, basically. Even if he did have the spare time and attempts to make the family happy during his job, he neither made the worse nor weaker decision not to do so, and I'm tired of that being labeled or thought as such just because it aligns with "giving up". Hawks has no one. That's his one and only family, and they were both monsters. Hawks' family is literally irredeemable. His father was a criminal and a massive abuser to both him and his mother, and his mother not only treated him horribly as well, but literally gave him up not once, but twice. She gave him up since he was a child and she ratted him out as an adult. There would have been a possibility for redemption if she didn't do what she did as Hawks is an adult, but she did, so there is nothing.

I'm gonna hope that he will be reassured later that he did nothing wrong, because if he isn't, then I especially feel sorry for him since his character would be mishandled... again. This should not the right message to put out there.

Devil_Food said:

What the hell are you talking about? MHA killed off more named characters in one arc than JJK has done for the majority of its run and this isn't counting the thousands of lives that were lost during Giga's wake. Once again CSM death toll meant nothing since most of the characters that died were either jokes or fodder since it didn't mean much of anything.

Florent3571 said:


Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one.

And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle.

Devil_Food said:


Literally only one character of relevance died in Shibuya the other characters were either antagonists who didn't have much of if not any characterization and two characters who were only in vol. 0 who didn't have any development.

Florent3571 said:


You're not playing fair, I gave you Crust in good faith and you wanna get rid of two major antagonists ? Talk about double standards.

Florent3571 said:


Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one.

And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle.

Terrestrious said:
Bean Jeanist was great here. Illegal denim and my favourite part of this chapter was him just using Bakugo's full hero name "Great Explosion Murder God Dynamight! You're all right!". The last bit of Bakugo's hero name is a nice pun but I don't think I'll ever not smile at someone using his full name, especially in the context of concern.

Outside of that, these last few chapters have been solid, I'm enjoying the series a lot more now than I was during the big action sequences of the last arc.

kunieda said:
Hawks' character comes off as doing a considerable amount of projecting re: Endeavor. And at this point, I'm not sure it's even meant to establish the dissonance he's been displaying and his unwillingness to detach entirely from that idealized version he had of him; rather, it seems to be a rehashing of "Endeavor is better now, let bygones be bygones". Natsuo, for one, continues to be a realistic portrayal of digesting one's resentment and being willing to compromise as an exception rather than glossing over his own hurt. Maybe Hawks should take a look at the middle son, rather than just projecting onto 15 year old Shouto 😬.

Florent3571 said:


You're not playing fair, I gave you Crust in good faith and you wanna get rid of two major antagonists ? Talk about double standards.

Florent3571 said:


Sorry but knowing the names of X-less, Native and Majestic doesn't make them relevant characters, I'll give you Crust 'cause he had a great death scene, but if we count heroes and villains casualties, for MHA we got Midnight, Twice and Crust, that's 3 deaths for the war, 4 if GT dies soon. And for JJK in Shibuya ONLY we're at 5 deaths on a much smaller battle scale. MHA ain't winning this one.

And I'm not saying that JJK's story is better for it, I'm just saying that the actual character death doll is simply more satisfying in the scale of the battle.

MangaOnly69 said:
T When half of the deaths in JJK are for shock value it’s hard to take it seriously just like CSM.

Devil_Food said:


Neither were major antagonists.

MangaOnly69 said:
Dude seriously stfu. Why are you taking this seriously?