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ConfVamp said: This episode struck a really personal part of me. Being gay in a country where your marriage and relationship recognized. Gay marriage wasn't legal until I was 20 and I remember worrying about how I could never live a "normal life" as a teenager. I hope she finds the girl of her dreams and can stay happy. <3 The novel implied that she got back with her girlfriend so hopefully they will be happy together |
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jungsae said: Richard is so easily triggered I wont be surprised if he owns a tumblr account. Seigi's question about arabian garment was naive at worst, which he was also polite enough to ask Richard and not the person himself. And his comment about the lesbian was a mere realization that there are people who struggle through things that seem so simple and natural for him. Yet Richard decided to be a dick instead of simply explaining why must that man wear such garment in a foreign country and in hot weather, then threw totally inappropriate generalization accusations for no reason. Big yikes. In fact, he's just training his employee to be convenient and keep his mouth shut about people's particularities. |
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| Sad for all parties evolved. Not sure if I should dislike mami for leading him on or what lol |
| I'm used to episodic cases like in Detective Conan so I don't have an issue with this. Seigi is a really boring protagonist lol. Richard is the only one interesting here. I think this show is wasted as an anime, it would have done much better as live action since most of y'all (not necessarily this thread but the community) don't appreciate this genre and prefer stuff like Psycho Pass anyway. |
| I wanted more character development but it was a nice story |
| Pretty fantastic episode. And I hope that woman can find some happiness. |
janiwolf said: I really liked how this episode dared to show the issues with systematic bigotty in Japanese society. And how even good people like Seigi have it unconsciously. The Gem in this episode was interesting. I guess I'll watch all the episodes of this anime and won't drop it. Agree - this is how i felt too. I was on the fence about it and totally thought her issue was that she felt bad she couldn't bear children or something like that but when it turned out she was a lesbian i was genuinely impressed. Loved Richard calling out Seiji's unconscious bias too!!! |
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| I'm really loving this show so far. It reminds me of some of the quieter live investigative and detective shows, often involving PIs and defense lawyers, which I always used to watch with my mom growing up and still can always put on and enjoy today. I really respect how it's tackling some major life issues and grounded problems like inter-generational guilt, poverty, shame and desire to assimilate into conventional society over your sexuality or other factors, and doing it all in a very subdued and relaxing manner. That's how I best would describe the show so far - "Relaxing". Like taking in a mystery novel on a cozy autumn afternoon alone in the house with the blanket draped over you and camomile tea in hand (or royal milk!). Even though just two episodes in some of the issues it's presenting are controversial and serious ones, it doesn't feel the need to necessarily be tense or scary to tell its story, nor to be excessively loud. Not every show has to have a bunch of screaming and catchphrases being loudly shouted. It's almost like an iyashikei-mystery hybrid, like the Aria of mystery anime. So far slowly poring over details seems given more primacy than delving too much in to some of the main characters, like Richard. And on that topic, about Richard, I also don't understand what he is calling discriminatory. The first question asked was about whether the Arab man (he looked like a Gulf Arab like a Saudi or Emirati in a dishdasha to me) would be hot in his clothing. That's a perfectly legitimate question, since it is clothing he is not accustomed to seeing and even native clothing from within your own culture could arouse such a line of questioning. It's something I might ask about someone with a heavy wool sweater and has nothing to do with denigrating other ethnicities. Sure, someone could ask this, as well as any question, in a mocking or condescending way with hostility or intentions of insulting or alienating someone for their difference, but it certainly wasn't either phrased or vocalized this way in tone at all. And the question about people like the female lesbian character having it hard in Japan. That seems like a respectful observation of the societal pressures a minority in Japan might come under, like one who is a minority for their sexual orientation. Folks need to learn that simple acknowledgment of difference existing is absolutely not derogatory in and of itself in any way. Saying a minority exists and they may have it hard or may have to deal with A, B, or C is not like calling them subhuman or a proclamation of your superiority over them or something. WTF? In this case, it came off more as a show of deference/humility and sympathy with her plight. I don't know what the show creators and/or original author's intentions are with that characterization, but I'm finding it amusing as a bit of probably unintentional humor to see what innocent comment Seigi will say next that will set him off. And how folks will react to it on here. Its inclusion is worth it for that. Two more points about Richard I loved this episode: 1) That quick vicious glare he gave Seigi, not over any of the discrimination drama, but when he offhandedly remarked to the woman's fiancee about maybe she "has the marriage blues". Lol. All it took was a look from Richard. No words. That's the kind of subtle humor, intentional or not, I thrive on. 2) Richard's last line (the last line of the episode, I believe?) about the standard weight and measurement system for gems being carats and how that could be converted to grams, but it's preferable not to just for the sake of preserving its distinctness, beauty, and unique sheen. About how having different metrics and measuring systems is worth something in and of itself. That line is a gem. As a supporter of both neurodiversity and biodiversity in all relevant contexts which come before me, I took notice. There is some truth and value in just acknowledging that no two gems are exactly alike, and so too no two humans, no two non-human animals, no two plants or fungi, down to probably even bacteria to the subatomic level. The diversity of the world and universe is also its majesty. And so many people who claim to love and extol the benefits and virtue of diversity don't actually in practice respect the existence of genuinely different (not just cosmetic or superficial) ways of thinking and of lifestyles. What poignancy a line can carry. |
WatchTillTandavaFeb 8, 2020 9:09 PM
| I was not expecting a casual lesbian character appearing right in the second episode. That definitely was fresh. As for Mami's words, I understood them as her conviction that there is nothing "productive" in a homosexual relationship. As in, a heterosexual relationship can lead to marriage and children, which are considered to be one of the most important goals in people's lives, whereas a homosexual relationship can't have either (You can't marry in Japan and you can't have fully biological kids with your partner). That's why being in such a relationship can be like tending to vegetables in desert.(don't remember the exact quote lol). Well, she definitely had her issues but luckily, Seigi channeled his inner psychologist. P.S Lmao at people thinking that Mami is a trans |
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| Quite the serious case this weak, kind of sad for Homura but at least he cares about letting Mami happiness over his own, also sad for Mami since Japan isn't the most open towards lesbian relationships like western countries are Seigi making some small steps but he still has quite a lot to learn, at least he can make some decent tea now |
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| Weird, it was pretty clear to me the reason Richard didn't explain everything is because he knew Seigi was smart enough to realize why the things he said were insensitive. No need to spoon feed him when he has a brain to use. |
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| Mami's story felt some attachment to me |
| The show's alright, but the fans take it to an insanely crazy level. Why do so many people treat gay people as sexual projected objects for their own fantasies? There's zero sign of both MCs being in such way. And her being trans? Am I living on another planet? I know people lack any basic intelligence when it comes to describing trans people... apparently cactuses having something to do with it now lmao. It's sad that this has become a projection show for woke people and it's really pushing me off the show. Aspects of it are forced and biased anyway but these fans are just reminding me of something that gets proven every day: not a single person is treated as a human being unless it fills their agenda. I am so fed up of woke people completely erasing the suffragette movement, tomboys and lesbians. Nobody understands what actual discrimination is nowadays. It isn't questioning why someone is wearing a skirt in the winter. And why is your sexuality relevant in a jeweler? Nobody knows your sexuality when you walk into a shop. Or are they trying to prove that cheating is okay as long as it's not straight? |
BunilleNov 21, 2022 6:31 AM
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Bunille said: The show's alright, but the fans take it to an insanely crazy level. Why do so many people treat gay people as sexual projected objects for their own fantasies? There's zero sign of both MCs being in such way. And her being trans? Am I living on another planet? I know people lack any basic intelligence when it comes to describing trans people... apparently cactuses having something to do with it now lmao. It's sad that this has become a projection show for woke people and it's really pushing me off the show. Aspects of it are forced and biased anyway but these fans are just reminding me of something that gets proven every day: not a single person is treated as a human being unless it fills their agenda. I am so fed up of woke people completely erasing the suffragette movement, tomboys and lesbians. Nobody understands what actual discrimination is nowadays. It isn't questioning why someone is wearing a skirt in the winter. And why is your sexuality relevant in a jeweler? Nobody knows your sexuality when you walk into a shop. Or are they trying to prove that cheating is okay as long as it's not straight? People are generally extremely tribal and tribal-minded and what this translates to in terms of what they desire from a TV series is that while some just want to see a character which is reflective of them in some part in behavior, interests, views, personality traits, etc., many, perhaps most today since it's deliberately promoted in an era of identity politics, take that to mean they need to see a character of their specific race, ethnicity, nationality, sex, sexual orientation, and/or religion, in order to feel validated and represented. It's a completely unrelatable and alien mentality and ideology to me, but it's increasingly extremely commonplace and pushed everywhere. I also think the phenomenon as it relates to gays is also part of an alternate push and pull of a pendulum swinging. For a long time in Western societies, homosexuality and expressions of it were extremely repressed so that has led to a backlash or pushback and now it's pushed to an extreme in the other direction by those who felt maligned, and it's profitable for companies and politically advantageous for different governments and parties/factions as an easy way of near-guaranteeing some vote share and financial contributions by engaging in identity politics, the same as superficial representations of and appeals to other minority groups. Although I do see the two main male characters as either gay or at least bisexual and open to the prospect. But since I only watched this series fully once, I can't remember if it's an impression I had from the start, by episode two (the subject of this topic thread), or at some point after some later episode due to other dialogue or events which solidified this belief, so can't/don't want to really speculate on the specifics as to why or spoil anything for later episodes. I think most broadly it can be said that it leaves things at least suggestive, ambiguous, and open, and there is definitely an either asexual, aromantic, or both supporting character. |
WatchTillTandavaNov 28, 2022 2:03 AM
| Didn't expect the story goes this way but it was interesting for me |
| Richard can speak any language! |
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