Police in Iran’s capital said that they will no longer arrest women for failing to observe the Islamic dress code in place since the 1979 revolution. It’s a baby step and they’re mainly doing this due to recent protests but it’s still better than nothing.The announcement signalled an easing of punishments for violating the country’s conservative dress code, as called for by the young and reform-minded Iranians who helped re-elect President Hassan Rouhani, a relative moderate, earlier this year. But hard-liners opposed to easing such rules still dominate Iran’s security forces and judiciary, so it was unclear whether the change would be fully implemented. “Those who do not observe the Islamic dress code will no longer be taken to detention centers, nor will judicial cases be filed against them.” Tehran police chief General Hossein Rahimi was quoted as saying by the reformist Sharq newspaper. The semi-official Tasnim news agency said violators will instead be made to attend classes given by police. It said repeat offenders could still be subject to legal action, and the dress code remains in place outside the capital. For nearly 40 years, women in Iran have been forced to cover their hair and wear long, loose garments. Younger and more liberal-minded women have long pushed the boundaries of the official dress code, wearing loose headscarves that don’t fully cover their hair and painting their nails, drawing the ire of conservatives. Iran’s morality police— similar to Saudi Arabia’s religious police— typically detain violators and escort them to a police van. Their families are then called to bring the detainee a change of clothes. The violator is then required to sign a form that they will not commit the offense again. Men can also be stopped by the police if they are seen wearing shorts or going shirtless. Last year, police in Tehran announced plans to deploy 7,000 male and female officers for a new plainclothes division — the largest such undercover assignment in memory – to monitor public morality and enforce the dress code. Source Now the female members of the Swedish governement won’t have to wear headscarves the next time they visit Iran lol |
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Comic_Sans said: Now the female members of the Swedish governement won’t have to wear headscarves the next time they visit Iran lol You'd still have to wear them in Sweden so why so excited? 'lol' |
| I feel like they switching sides with Europe. |
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Yarub said: Lol nigga that ain't happening. The elections 2018 will be a game changerYou'd still have to wear them in Sweden so why so excited? 'lol' |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: Yarub said: Lol nigga that ain't happening. The elections 2018 will be a game changerYou'd still have to wear them in Sweden so why so excited? 'lol' That's not going to end well. That's the reason I want the people already in power to do their fucking job. Populism just brings idiots and tyrants. |
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| Wow cool now I can see Iranian cuties. |
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WyNdZ said: Barely a step forward and it's pathetic how females are forced to abide by such dress codes. Religion and it's rules should be voluntary. Oh well maybe after 2 decades it'll become voluntary. men also have to abide to dress codes. So your feminist agenda won't be satisfied much by this thread. If the said person does not want to be limited to a dress code, he can fucking go to the other 194 countries. |
Hoppy said: I see what you mean but I actually have good hopes for the elections this year. Maybe Hanif Bali will even become ministerThat's not going to end well. That's the reason I want the people already in power to do their fucking job. Populism just brings idiots and tyrants. Yarub said: LOL, come back when it's the nine year old Muslim boys that start being beaten up for dressing like the kuffar and not their sistersmen also have to abide to dress codes feminist agenda What are you on about? Modern feminists love Islam. There's no way they'd protest |
Comic_SansDec 31, 2017 10:31 AM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: feminist agenda What are you on about? Third wave feminists love Islam. There's no way they'd protestNot really, but it pisses me off that you people are judging 1/6 of the world's population based on the actions of a few extremist or some silly Quran quotes. It is obvious that feminism and radical Islam are incompatible, but there is more to Middle Eastern cultures than rape and terrorism. Disagreeing with certain aspects of a religion doesn't necessarily mean that we hate the people who follow it. And not hating them doesn't mean that we love their religion, lol. |
149597871Dec 31, 2017 10:43 AM
149597871 said: Comic_Sans said: What are you on about? Third wave feminists love Islam. There's no way they'd protest Not really, but it pisses me off that you people are judging 1/6 of the world's population based on the actions of a few extremist or some silly Quran quotes. It is obvious that feminism and radical Islam are incompatible, but there is more to Middle Eastern cultures than rape and terrorism. Disagreeing with certain aspects of a religion doesn't necessarily mean that we hate the people who follow it. And not hating them doesn't mean that we love their religion, lol. Feminism is indeed incompatible with Islam (as with almost all other religions) but many retard exists inside the third wave feminist movement and even more inside the so called new fourth wave feminism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq5vwczXleA (That's the proof) |
Ἄκουε δή, ἦ δ᾽ ὅς. φημὶ γὰρ ἐγὼ εἶναι τὸ δίκαιον οὐκ ἄλλο τι ἢ τὸ τοῦ κρείττονος συμφέρον.  Listen—I say that justice is nothing other than the advantage of the stronger. |
Hoppy said: Comic_Sans said: Lol nigga that ain't happening. The elections 2018 will be a game changer That's not going to end well. That's the reason I want the people already in power to do their fucking job. Populism just brings idiots and tyrants. If the Swedish people want Sweden to be Swedish, then that is democracy. |
149597871 said: I have defended secular/reformist Muslims in the past so I'm not sure why you're accusing me of all people to "judge 1/6 of the world's population". However, to act as if Quran thumping and religious conservatism is merely limited to "a few extremists" in the Muslim world and that it isn't a problem that goes far deeper than that is just wrong.Not really, but it pisses me off that you people are judging 1/6 of the world's population based on the actions of a few extremist or some silly Quran quotes. It is obvious that feminism and radical Islam are incompatible, but there is more to Middle Eastern cultures than rape and terrorism. Disagreeing with certain aspects of a religion doesn't necessarily mean that we hate the people who follow it. And not hating them doesn't mean that we love their religion, lol. If modern feminists want to prove they don't condone Islamic misogyny then they're going to have to walk the walk instead of just talk the talk. As it is now I see too much Linda Sarsour:ing and too little Huda Sha'arawi:ing. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: I have defended secular/reformist Muslims in the past so I'm not sure why you're accusing me of all people to "judge 1/6 of the world's population". However, to act as if Quran thumping and religious conservatism is merely limited to "a few extremists" in the Muslim world and that it isn't a problem that goes far deeper than that is just wrong. It wasn't directed at you specifically. So if it's not the extremists or the "holy" texts then what is it? I would like to hear your answer and how do you think this "deep-rooted" problem should be solved. Comic_Sans said: If modern feminists want to prove they don't condone Islamic misogyny then they're going to have to walk the walk instead of just talk the talk. Yes, I see that argument quite often. I'll say it again - "dealing with Middle Eastern countries and their laws is a delicate thing and it takes time" but if I have to be honest - yes, I'm not doing anything other than talking, you are absolutely right. However, what most people (including some feminists) do not understand is that you can't force your beliefs on others that easily. You can't just go to the Middle East and say "Hey guys, from now on you will respect women and treat them as equal (or you'll die).". It'll most likely have the opposite effect. Everything that happened there for the last 40 years proves that this method doesn't work. It may sound a bit weird and naive but I believe people should figure out what is right and what is wrong for themselves, I can only give them my ideas/opinion at this point. Do you think Saudi Arabia allowing women to get driving licenses or this dress code thing in Iran was done thanks to feminist movements or threats from the west? How do you think feminism even exists here even though our religion is not any different from theirs in terms of sexism and misogyny? |
149597871 said: I have already answered your question, Quran thumping and religious conservatism is the problem. But since you wanted a few linksIt wasn't directed at you specifically. So if it's not the extremists or the "holy" texts then what is it? I would like to hear your answer and http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/ https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx I know not everybody appreciates "The religion of peace" but it's a good compilation nonetheless. how do you think this "deep-rooted" problem should be solved. The first step in AA's twelve-step-program is to acknowledge that you have a problem. Don't downplay it or deny it, admit it. That's a good way to start.Yes, I see that argument quite often. I'll say it again - "dealing with Middle Eastern countries and their laws is a delicate thing and it takes time" but if I have to be honest - yes, I'm not doing anything other than talking, you are absolutely right. However, what most people (including some feminists) do not understand is that you can't force your beliefs on others that easily. You can't just go to the Middle East and say "Hey guys, from now on you will respect women and treat them as equal (or you'll die).". It'll most likely have the opposite effect. Everything that happened there for the last 40 years proves that this method doesn't work. It may sound a bit weird and naive but I believe people should figure out what is right and what is wrong for themselves, I can only give them my ideas/opinion at this point. Nobody's talking about feminists going to Saudi Arabia and telling the good ol' Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud to stop oppressing women, at least I'm not. By "walk the walk" I mean as simple things as not hanging out with islamists like Linda Sarsour (even less allowing them to lead a women's rights demonstration), not acting as if the hijab is a feminist symbol or some shit like that and helping victims of Islamic oppression in Western countries instead of not wanting to touch the subject with a ten foot pole because of cultural relativist cowardice. It really is that simpleDo you think Saudi Arabia allowing women to get driving licenses or this dress code thing in Iran was done thanks to feminist movements or threats from the west? How do you think feminism even exists here even though our religion is not any different from theirs in terms of sexism and misogyny? |
Comic_SansDec 31, 2017 7:23 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| The real problem is the rather Conservative values taught that allow the government to regulate aspects of daily life they'd otherwise have no business doing so without the guise of reglion. There is a reason there was a segregation of church and state, because it allows people to arrest sinners not just criminals. Governance and religion are something that shouldn't mix period. I fail to see an instance where this is a good idea. |
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Comic_Sans said: 149597871 said: I have already answered your question, Quran thumping and religious conservatism is the problem. But since you wanted a few linksIt wasn't directed at you specifically. So if it's not the extremists or the "holy" texts then what is it? I would like to hear your answer and http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/ Comic_Sans said: I have already answered your question, Quran thumping and religious conservatism is the problem. But since you wanted a few links http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/ https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx I know not everybody appreciates "The religion of peace" but it's a good compilation nonetheless.The first step in AA's twelve-step-program is to acknowledge that you have a problem. Don't downplay it or deny it, admit it. That's a good way to start. Yes, yes... I've seen these poll results before. I don't have time to reread the whole thing right now but I'm already quite familiar with it (like ofc, somebody always shoves it down my throat every time I decide to use this argument). Just for the record - I don't support any of those things, my religious beliefs are very, very different. Okay, if these results are accurate* then there is a problem. (*cuz you know Kim-jong Un probably also won the last elections with >99% but I can't really say his people love him that much (anyway, that's a completely different situation)) For now let's just say that they are real. You said the problem goes far deeper and you blame the religion itself which is a good guess but is it really the ONLY problem? That's from your second source: 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam How barbaric indeed. But yet again what was the penalty for leaving Christianity? Oh, yes, death again whether it's crucifixion or some other torture method, it doesn't matter. It was a common practice in Europe and asking the christian population back then whether they agree with it would've led to similar results. But right now all this looks so atrocious to us and we blame others for having the same beliefs our ancestors once had. "Their religion promises them 72 virgins if they die in a holy war" Yes, and this is a part of Pope Urban II's speech: On this account I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ's heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it. "All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. So the roots of those 2 religions are not much different after all.. but why Christianity isn't much of a thing in the West but Islam is a such a big problem in the East? "Quran thumping", "Religious conservatism".. why do you think they exist? We are becoming less and less religious with every single day yet the Middle East remains the same? In my opinion people are turning to Jehova, Allah or whatever higher being they believe in only when they are desperate and having a hard time (or can't explain something but thanks to science this isn't usually the case anymore). These countries have been through a lot (some of it thanks to interventions from the West), it's perfectly normal for the average muslim in the Middle East to be far more religious and have more radical views than us considering the life he had to live while we were sitting in our oversized living rooms talking about our 1st world problems. These people need education and equal opportunities so they can slowly adapt to our society and its values, not having bombs dropped on their heads or sending refugees back to their war-torn countries as it will only increase the gap and lead to more religious radicalism. Comic_Sans said: By "walk the walk" I mean as simple things as not hanging out with islamists like Linda Sarsour (even less allowing them to lead a women's rights demonstration), not acting as if the hijab is a feminist symbol or some shit like that Feminism is a idea and is not limited to the things you see on the news. This Linda Sarsour thing early 2017 was a reaction to the inauguration of Donald Trump. If I remember correctly she also attended some Black Lives Matter demonstrations. Why? Because all of them have a common enemy. As I already said Islam (especially its radical forms) and feminism are incompatible you should not worry about the hijab becoming our symbol. Comic_Sans said: and helping victims of Islamic oppression in Western countries instead of not wanting to touch the subject with a ten foot pole because of cultural relativist cowardice. It really is that simple The victim is a victim and the criminal is a criminal, what's more there to say? |
149597871Jan 1, 2018 5:50 AM
| Christians are one of the most vulnerable groups in the Middle East right now, yet you don't them going around blowing up mosques and whatnot despite the fact that they're being treated like shit by the Muslim majority. The same can be said about Jews in Europe, they have to deal with shit from nazis, extreme leftists and islamists, yet they don't go around blowing up buildings either. So no, "having a hard time because of Western intervention" is not enough of a reason, it is one of the reasons but it can't simply be boiled down to that. Feminism is a idea and is not limited to the things you see on the news. This Linda Sarsour thing early 2017 was a reaction to the inauguration of Donald Trump. If I remember correctly she also attended some Black Lives Matter demonstrations. Why? Because all of them have a common enemy. As I already said Islam (especially its radical forms) and feminism are incompatible you should not worry about the hijab becoming our symbol. I don't think you understand the problem. It doesn't matter whether or not Linda Sarsour and the pussy hat wearers at the women's march have a common enemy because Trump is their enemy for different reasons. The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend and in this case both Trump and Sarsour should be the enemies of modern feminists, yet they only condemn one (Trump) but they don't have anything against the other (Sarsour) and even let her lead a women's rights march.The BLM thing is arguably equally ridiculous considering Sarsour's ideological views combined with the history of anti-black sentiment amongst fair skinned Muslims (look up "Slavery in Mauritania"). The hijab might not be underway of becoming a symbol for modern feminism but they sure seem to have problems to criticizing it. That's why people like Gudrun Schyman happily participated in the "hijabupprop" back in 2013 after one incident of some loser snatching a Muslim woman's hijab but have yet to organize an "ingenhijabupprop" in support of girls and women who are forced to wear it. The victim is a victim and the criminal is a criminal, what's more there to say? That's a good start, the next step is to stop trying to downplay it by saying things like "BUT SEXISM EXISTS HERE IN THE WEST TOO" and "IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION/CULTURE, IT'S THE SAME PATRIARCHAL STRUCTURES EVERYWHERE" |
Comic_SansJan 1, 2018 6:28 AM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| lol, the conservative on rage about this... and with another protest, khomeni authority slowly faded... |
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Comic_Sans said: Christians are one of the most vulnerable groups in the Middle East right now, yet you don't them going around blowing up mosques and whatnot despite the fact that they're being treated like shit by the Muslim majority. The same can be said about Jews in Europe, they have to deal with shit from nazis, extreme leftists and islamists, yet they don't go around blowing up buildings either. So no, "having a hard time because of Western intervention" is not enough of a reason, it is one of the reasons but it can't simply be boiled down to that. There may be other reasons of course (including some that I'm not even aware that they exist). I don't want to argue right now which is the worst abrahamic religion. What's really important is to find a solution or at least don't make the situation worse. Treating muslims like shit and then using "but christians in the Middle East don't do such things when treated the same way" as an excuse every time they do something stupid won't get you anywhere. I'm not saying that it's your responsibility but sometimes you have to make a sacrifice if you want to make the world a better place. In 21st century it should be far easier for people to open their eyes, all we need to do is be patient and help them instead of constantly oppressing them which as I said leads to more hatred and religious radicalism. Comic_Sans said: Feminism is a idea and is not limited to the things you see on the news. This Linda Sarsour thing early 2017 was a reaction to the inauguration of Donald Trump. If I remember correctly she also attended some Black Lives Matter demonstrations. Why? Because all of them have a common enemy. As I already said Islam (especially its radical forms) and feminism are incompatible you should not worry about the hijab becoming our symbol. I don't think you understand the problem. It doesn't matter whether or not Linda Sarsour and the pussy hat wearers at the women's march have a common enemy because Trump is their enemy for different reasons. The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend and in this case both Trump and Sarsour should be the enemies of modern feminists, yet they only condemn one (Trump) but they don't have anything against the other (Sarsour) and even let her lead a women's rights march. The BLM thing is arguably equally ridiculous considering Sarsour's ideological views combined with the history of anti-black sentiment amongst fair skinned Muslims (look up "Slavery in Mauritania"). I perfectly understand the problem, but you also need to understand that I'm not the mastermind behind these events and I've never said that I support their actions (I'm not even sure how I feel about it to be honest). I just tried to explain the logic behind all that. Feminism is not just an organization and these people do not represent all feminists. Comic_Sans said: The victim is a victim and the criminal is a criminal, what's more there to say? That's a good start, the next step is to stop trying to downplay it by saying things like "BUT SEXISM EXISTS HERE IN THE WEST TOO" and "IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION/CULTURE, IT'S THE SAME PATRIARCHAL STRUCTURES EVERYWHERE" I'm not sure why you are telling me this, it's quite obvious. I'm usually the one who mocks culture/traditions and religion all the time. Yes, sexism still exists in the west and it's also true that women are treated far worse in the east, but religion is a huge factor, we were just lucky to be born in a society that is not as heavily influenced by it as the one in the Middle East. (because I already explained certain similarities between Christianity and Islam) |
149597871 said: I never said Westerners should start blowing up mosques or whatever so this is a complete straw man. What I said was that " Muslims having a hard time" is not the only explanation as to why Islamic fanaticism is growing because if it were then you would also see Christians and Jews blowing up shit. You say that you "don't want to argue right now which is the worst abrahamic religion" and instead find a solution but the thing is that you won't find a solution unless you address that question.There may be other reasons of course (including some that I'm not even aware that they exist). I don't want to argue right now which is the worst abrahamic religion. What's really important is to find a solution or at least don't make the situation worse. Treating muslims like shit and then using "but christians in the Middle East don't do such things when treated the same way" as an excuse every time they do something stupid won't get you anywhere. I'm not saying that it's your responsibility but sometimes you have to make a sacrifice if you want to make the world a better place. In 21st century it should be far easier for people to open their eyes, all we need to do is be patient and help them instead of constantly oppressing them which as I said leads to more hatred and religious radicalism. I perfectly understand the problem, but you also need to understand that I'm not the mastermind behind these events and I've never said that I support their actions (I'm not even sure how I feel about it to be honest). I just tried to explain the logic behind all that. Feminism is not just an organization and these people do not represent all feminists. I didn't say that you specifically supported their actions.While it is true that these feminists don't represent all feminists they are far from being in the minority, otherwise Sarsour wouldn't even have been allowed to attend the rally. I'm not sure why you are telling me this, it's quite obvious. I'm usually the one who mocks culture/traditions and religion all the time. Yes, sexism still exists in the west and it's also true that women are treated far worse in the east, but religion is a huge factor, we were just lucky to be born in a society that is not as heavily influenced by it as the one in the Middle East. (because I already explained certain similarities between Christianity and Islam) You might think so but again, your train of thought is far from being the most common one among influential feminists. |
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