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| Mediocre ending to a series which had a lot of potential but failed to fulfill it in my opinion. The transition from mafia to sci-fi never sat well with me and I lost interest after episode 16. The characters were great though so it's disappointing that the story didn't match up. 7/10 |
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| After Brandon's death the series went down hill. It's still fun to watch though. |
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| This episode was beautiful. And sad. I loved how they showed everyone one by one. RIP all of you. True friendship will always prevail. 8/10 |
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| 8/10 Could've been better. I don't understand what happened in the end. They died , i'm sure of that , but why was Mika smiling ? Brandon and Harry died hugging each other or something like that ? |
| Dude , sorry , but Brandon couldn't possibly survive much longer than a few hours. His body was entirely destroyed and nobody could've saved him , Tokioka died and that lab was destroyed. And in top of that , i don't see the point in Brandon being alive. Still , i'm surprised that Harry didn't use necrolyze on himself. I wonder why.. |
| Rest in peace,big bro. |
"If people want to achieve time travel,they should just put Haruhi on a spaceship.She'd probably just ignore the theory of relativity." - Kyon |
| I'm fine with the ending, rather than happily ever after type, it's good that it ended in a consistent and emotional way. I believed brandon died too. Signs are clear that he only had a few time to keep walking. Overall, gungrave is 8/10 in my book. If not for all those ridiculous and disgusting monsters kind of sci-fi thingy, I'd have rated it higher. The later episodes drastically paled in comparison with the backstory episodes. Still, I like the backstory, friendship and betrayal concepts so much that I have to rate it this high. MRLX69 said: Is it just me or did he die a virgin? Too focused on work... tut tut.... He should have taken the girl instead of letting that old dude have her. LMAO, you're not the only one, If I were Brandon, I'd screwed the whole "I'm a sinful hitman and putting my ass in danger" shit, and had her all for myself. " :D |
ForsakenArcherFeb 6, 2011 12:36 PM
We are the United. Even in defeat we stand united. |
| Went straight to this series after finishing Cowboy Bebop, and Albeit both made it into my favorites. |
AnchiHiroAug 18, 2013 10:11 AM
| So touching, this was really such a great story. Didn't want the end to be such a tragedy but.. ~It's been a while since I granted a "Great" score.. ~Brandon doesn't die, not at all. Google Gungrave: Overdose, not an anime sequel but at least it is the sequel of the story. |
K-ShuunSep 8, 2011 12:48 AM
Apologies, I just can't avoid to rant. |
| This would've been the perfect final episode, if not for Big Daddy putting his hand on Maria's shoulder in NTR fashion. Just when you think Brandon might get another chance as a spirit to get it on with his true love, Big Daddy appeared as a spirit to cockblock him. I'm sure the writers were trolling when they decided to let an old man impregnate a woman half his age, when she only ever loved the virgin lead... I know, in reality, people don't always make the right choices and it was realistic in that sense, but seriously: LET THE LEAD DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN KILL PEOPLE ALIVE AND COME BACK TO DO MORE KILLING AFTER DRYING! He'd give basement dwelling otaku a run for their money in the virgin league. ...Anyway, the final episode was as good as it could've been, ignoring the BrandonxMariaxBig Daddy fuckery. Brandon always communicated through his actions and he wasn't about to change his style when confronted with the man who'd killed him: he saved him over and over until it clicked that he wasn't ever able to truly betray Harry. Brandon ACTUALLY SPEAKING A FEW WORDS to hammer this home as Harry sobbed - apologizing over and over - was touching. Even after everything that had happened and all of the people that Harry had killed, deep down they were still best friends. It was nice for them to go out together with their relationship repaired, rather than the series ending with Harry transforming into some kind of demonic monster. The series had its weaker moments because of the undead stuff, for sure, but it says a lot about the non-undead writing for the series to end with their bond of broship still intact. Overall, Gungrave is still worth a spot in my top ten, many years after I first watched it in a Berserk-esque 26 episode marathon. The Blood War, Bob-heli, Lee-spider and Big Daddy NTR did detract from my enjoyment, but even when Gungrave was bad it was still betterthan most animated rubbish pumped out. So good was the characterisation that I ended up preferring Harry over a certain Michael Corleone. I might have been conflicted over my score, had the series not improved as it neared the end, but episodes 24-26 were all in the 9-10/10 tier and made up for much of the post-gangster disappointment that came before. |
| This would of been an easy 9-10, but an 8. Could of ended better, so what happened, the future? Really, they could have ended it better, however the rest was nice. I had some issues with some parts of the anime, but it ended nicely, could have been better... |
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| Wonderful last episode. Really touching. My take on Brandon is that people expect too much from him. At the end he was what he always was. An orphan in search of love/family who was loyal to his friend to the last. If Harry hadn't shot him back in the day, Brandon would have probably remained with him. He chose Harry McDowell all along. And even though he loved Maria, he was incapable of having a romantic relationship with a woman. He just couldn't imagining himself making her happy and that's why he was content with letting Big Daddy ending up with her. 9/10 just because the Superiors were too silly. They should have done a better job with that. |
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| God damn that was great. But holy hell do I need to watch something light and fluffy now to counterbalance all the tragedy. |
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| All the necro zombies crap ruined the show for me... They were totally unnecessary. I know they're trying to appeal to both mature and young audiences, but they really should've stuck with the former. The first 2/3 was worth watching, then it turned to shit and very anti-climatic all the way to the end. *hops on overrated crew boat* |
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| This series was amazing until episode 17, and then it went a little downhill. However, I did enjoy the final episode, it really redeemed Harry's character. Overall I give this series an 8/10 |
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| Damn you who ever made gungrave anime for the ending !!! you totally ruined it... even in the origin game of gungrave ...... the ending was different ... it was more epic than the anime itself (*in the game.... brandon killed harry without hesitating*) .......... _l_... .......... ...i wanted Harry to be killed by brandon because of his betrayal to the organization,big daddy and brandon....... used to give it 9/10 rating but because of the ending i changed my rating to 8 .... i know it deserve 7 but i was in love with the game on ps2 back then so..... ye 8 xD . |
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| Well this series wasn't that good but I enjoyed it. And yes, the ending of the "Brandon...", saw that coming. Anyways, 8/10 for the series. Season 2? Hell if I know. |
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| Bullshit. I wanted a good ending for Brandon, he suffered enough. Well, I suppose it was fine. Anyway, loved the show without a doubt. |
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| Yes an other deep serie which I truly enjoyed! |
| Waaa... Can't stop myself from crying. This is probably one of the saddest ending I've seen. **Sigh** stories of friendship always makes me cry. But anyway, I think Brandon did not die since Mika said "Welcome Back".... So overall, it was a great story with great character development. |
| A decent ending of this story but I must say that this whole story really disappointed me as well it is still rated 8/10 but for me it doesn't give me the proper quality I would expect from a 8/10 rated anime... The pace was rather horrible and it only started to become good when we were in the middle of the story. So yea in general I didn't like it at all but well it did entertain me sometimes! 6/10 |
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| I enjoyed the anime, but it really could have been executed a lot better. The last 2-3 episodes were great though; I LOVED the flashbacks with their friends.7/10. I guess all Brandon Heat wanted to do was protect people. Shit, he was even protecting his enemies in this last episode by not fatally wounding any of Millenion's men. |
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| one of the best endings and final episodes ive ever seen to a show, brandon and harry's deaths were stunning. Im not gonna lie i teared up when they both died together. This series was phenomenal, while the sci-fi bits were more mixed in quality than the consistently amazing mob story these last 4 episodes were easily the best part of the series and the ending is chill worthy. Its a very enthusiastic 9/10 for me bOnesS said: They were probably going for a bit of interpretation for the viewers but its pretty clear what happened, they both died together in one final act of friendship and redemption for all the wrong they have doneI don't understand what happened in the end. They died , i'm sure of that , but why was Mika smiling ? Brandon and Harry died hugging each other or something like that ? even hypothetically if brandon had survived that, it'd not matter, hes already passed his expiration date with the necrolization and he'd simply crumble to dust in the coming hours or minutes due to the wounds. Brandon and harry both died together, I interpret mika in the last scene as her saying goodbye to him, "welcome home" as in hes finally in a place of peace with all his loved ones, The credits can be seen as all the characters now in the afterlife who died welcoming both harry and brandon which is why they were saying their names. depressing but beautiful |
JizzyHitlerFeb 21, 2014 11:14 AM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Classic anime ending. We will kill him off just because. He could have easily survived but na, he felt like he deserved to die or some stupid BS etc. sigh. great series though. but like so many others I need to try to forget the end. |
AironicallyHuman said: This would've been the perfect final episode, if not for Big Daddy putting his hand on Maria's shoulder in NTR fashion. Just when you think Brandon might get another chance as a spirit to get it on with his true love, Big Daddy appeared as a spirit to cockblock him. I'm sure the writers were trolling when they decided to let an old man impregnate a woman half his age, when she only ever loved the virgin lead... I know, in reality, people don't always make the right choices and it was realistic in that sense, but seriously: LET THE LEAD DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN KILL PEOPLE ALIVE AND COME BACK TO DO MORE KILLING AFTER DRYING! He'd give basement dwelling otaku a run for their money in the virgin league. ...Anyway, the final episode was as good as it could've been, ignoring the BrandonxMariaxBig Daddy fuckery. Brandon always communicated through his actions and he wasn't about to change his style when confronted with the man who'd killed him: he saved him over and over until it clicked that he wasn't ever able to truly betray Harry. Brandon ACTUALLY SPEAKING A FEW WORDS to hammer this home as Harry sobbed - apologizing over and over - was touching. Even after everything that had happened and all of the people that Harry had killed, deep down they were still best friends. It was nice for them to go out together with their relationship repaired, rather than the series ending with Harry transforming into some kind of demonic monster. The series had its weaker moments because of the undead stuff, for sure, but it says a lot about the non-undead writing for the series to end with their bond of broship still intact. Overall, Gungrave is still worth a spot in my top ten, many years after I first watched it in a Berserk-esque 26 episode marathon. The Blood War, Bob-heli, Lee-spider and Big Daddy NTR did detract from my enjoyment, but even when Gungrave was bad it was still betterthan most animated rubbish pumped out. So good was the characterisation that I ended up preferring Harry over a certain Michael Corleone. I might have been conflicted over my score, had the series not improved as it neared the end, but episodes 24-26 were all in the 9-10/10 tier and made up for much of the post-gangster disappointment that came before. You sir, can't agree anymore with you. The fact that Big Daddy got Maria and Maria returned his love, i can't comprehend that shit. It was nearly unbearable at points that Brandon didn't get her and some old fart got her. |
| I think most of the episodes taking place in the present were awful compare to the back story episodes and the episodes 9&10 which really introduced the mutants were bad also but i still really enjoyed watching the series. I do think that the back story episodes were fantastic (excluding 9&10) and i kinda do wished there would be a alternative version with added scene to make the back story of Brandon and others a series of it's own without the mutant aspect. But yeah. Still highly recommend the show. |
| really enjoyed the series. My final score is 7/10. I expected I would rate it alot lower but by the end I can say this was a great watch! |
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| Loved the first half, hated the second half. Didn't dig the ogremen and superiors at all. |
SaveTheAralSeaJan 27, 2015 12:12 AM
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| Not bad, just fine. 6.5/10 |
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| I really liked this show, especially the characters and especially Harry, because he was so well written and morally ambiguous that it was hard to either love him or hate him, or to be more accurate, he felt human, unlike many one and two dimensional characters(not in this show particularly); Harry was also nicely developed from being the powerless happy child, to the power hungry man he became after he joined Millennion. On the other hand, I think Brandon was kind of less developed, because since the very beginning he was caring more for the others and less for himself, in other words, to me, he felt like a two dimensional character. I think the story should've ended in episode 24, Harry being killed by the ambush, Brandon living with Mika, as well as taking a stance that he didn't betray anyone instead of just keep being silent. Jumping to episode 26, I still think it would've been a better ending if Brandon just killed Harry. It would have been much more satisfying end for me at least, due to what have happened to Brandon and I think it would've developed his character a bit, showing that he had a grudge against Harry for killing him, Maria, Big Daddy, Gary and Widge. I think that would've been the most realistic scenario, since I kind of find it hard to believe that it will just pass like that, just because he's your best friend. Other thing that I didn't like was the forced relationship between Maria and Big Daddy, they just should have kept Brandon and Maria together, it was way more natural than the forced relationship between Big Daddy and Maria. And the last thing that ruined the show for me were the Necrolyzers(or w/e they are called). It would've been more interesting if there was a struggle for power between the other organizations and the betrayal between the friends and family, but that would have made it into a whole different show and war between mafias. Other than that, I enjoyed the character of Bear and his struggle between the emotions for his daughter and Millennion, the love for his subordinates, not letting them become Necrolyzers, I think he was even more interesting character than that of Harry. To summarize, the show's most shinning moments for me were during the first half and the characters, tho, the weakest were the forced romance between Maria and Big Daddy and the Necrolyzers, and probably the ending for me, would've prefer if Brandon just killed Harry. |
ourielFeb 16, 2015 9:42 AM
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| What an emotional last episode. I prefer this ending over the game's ending. Brandon had, as he said himself, no future, since Harry killed him. No matter what Beyond the Grave would have died anyway. Just a small thing but I like how the name of the first episode is "Destroyer in the Dusk" and the name of the last episode is "Dusk of the Destroyers". I enjoyed the first half of the series enough to give it a 7/10, but I liked the second half even more. 14-17 and 24-26 were the highlights of the show. Despite what others think I feel that episode 1 was necessary just to see how it all came back together in episode 18. I already played the game beforehand so I knew the main spoiler and also expected the fights with the Superiors so I didn't feel like it was stupid or anything. Unfortunately, Mika existed. Harry was definitely my favourite character. I felt that Brandon was too stupid to really like him despite his skills, for reasons mentioned earlier. Overall a 7.5/10. |
Kikoman589Feb 21, 2015 4:28 PM
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ouriel said: the weakest were the forced romance between Maria and Big Daddy and the Necrolyzers, and probably the ending for me, would've prefer if Brandon just killed Harry. So many things just don't hold water here. New Boss said to Mika that she nothing can't do with it, but then he commands to stop shooting few seconds later point of no return. Just let Brandon stays alive, it would justife Big Daddy x Maria crap somehow(it excludes kinda incest). Why so much hate to Mika? She deserves happiness. At least there is always some work for Brandon till Mika is alive. But still it's a good tale, seems complete. UPD. just watched game's ending and it really justifies BDxMaria shit and Mika's future safety as well, but there is some lack of Harry and Brandon friendship, I guess. |
kl8onFeb 28, 2015 3:06 AM
| What an amazing last episode to an amazing series and while the pre-time skip was for me more enjoyable as a whole this series was downright fantastic. |
| trash ending for a trash anime. 4/10 |
| I was so mad at Brandon in the end! Really, I could not believe he defended Harry! Argh!!! And I wanted a happy end to him, near Mika's side...so sad! 7/10 |
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| 8/10. Great anime that had a decent ending. I just wished Brandon and Maria were together at the end. Oh well, a classic. I would have given this a 9/10 but the visuals and animation were very inconsistent through the show. RIP Brandon and Harry. |
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