| One thing I've noticed over the years, is how a lot of anime fans get shit upset if you even associate animu with cartoons. Because cartoons are often seen as something childish, they keep insisting that anime and cartoons are two separate things, but that's a false dichotomy. Now to get this straight: 'Anime' usually refers to Japanese animation, nothing more, nothing less. Wikipedia said: A cartoon is a form of two-dimensional illustrated visual art. While the specific definition has changed over time, modern usage refers to a typically non-realistic or semi-realistic drawing or painting intended for satire, caricature, or humor, or to the artistic style of such works. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the 19th century, it came to refer to humorous illustrations in magazines and newspapers, and in the early 20th century and onward it referred to comic strips and animated films. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Because of the stylistic similarities between comic strips and early animated movies, "cartoon" came to refer to animation, and the word "cartoon" is currently used to refer to both animated cartoons and gag cartoons. I wonder what your view is on all of this. Would you consider something like Naruto a cartoon? If not, then what separates it from your idea of what the word is used to describe? Should we all just start calling anime 'Japanese cartoons' in order to upset pissy weebs? |
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| All anime are cartoons but not all cartoons are anime. Anime is just what we call Japanese cartoons, it's a way to seperate it from what we think are basically two different culture and country's mediums or genres. In Japan it's just a short way to say animation, we just changed the definition a little. |
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| Super Mario is a cartoon. Sonic the hedgehog is a cartoon. Team Fortress is a cartoon. Any videogame with unrealistic graphics is a cartoon. Comics are cartoons. The mascot for Wendy's is a cartoon. Many fictional mascots are cartoons. Batman is a cartoon. Monsters Inc, Scooby Doo Live, Kazaam too. But most people don't know this. because when you say cartoon people automatically think of western animations. And you expect people to associate anime with cartoons, you're wasting your time. Just for the hell of it, Anime are advanced cartoons. |
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IntroverTurtle said: All anime are cartoons but not all cartoons are anime. Anime is just what we call Japanese cartoons, it's a way to seperate it from what we think are basically two different culture and country's mediums or genres. In Japan it's just a short way to say animation, we just changed the definition a little. But not all animation consists of cartoons. Would you call anything Pixar makes ''a cartoon''? See, that is where you fail. |
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| Debateably all animations are cartoons since none of them are going to be 100% realistic |
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| Technically both are cartoons, personally see them as different because of the vastly different styles. It's that easy. |
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| Those monsters in horror movies are usually cartoons too. Like the other day I was watching Toothfairy,, she's a cartoon girl. Am I trashing this thread up? |
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Ghostony said: Debateably all animations are cartoons since none of them are going to be 100% realistic Do you think CGI animation would go under this definition? What about clay animation? Wikipedia said: A cartoon is a form of two-dimensional illustrated visual art. While the specific definition has changed over time, modern usage refers to a typically non-realistic or semi-realistic drawing or painting intended for satire, caricature, or humor, or to the artistic style of such works. |
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QueenJenny said: Ghostony said: Debateably all animations are cartoons since none of them are going to be 100% realistic Do you think CGI animation would go under this definition? What about clay animation? Yes Google Dictionary said: Cartoon : A simple drawing showing the features of its subjects in an exaggerated way, esp. in a newspaper or magazine. |
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Battlechili1 said: Are you saying cartoons can't be those things?But: "While the specific definition has changed over time, modern usage refers to a typically non-realistic or semi-realistic drawing or painting intended for satire, caricature, or humor, or to the artistic style of such works." QueenJenny said: True but the word a country uses doesn't have to be perfect. I don't know how to explain it but words are used all the time that aren't wrong the whole time but can be wrong sometimes. Do you get what I'm saying?But not all animation consists of cartoons. Would you call anything Pixar makes ''a cartoon''? See, that is where you fail. Shrabster said: What about powerpuff girls and Panty and Stocking? or Powerpuff girls and Powerpuff girls Demashita Z?Technically both are cartoons, personally see them as different because of the vastly different styles. It's that easy. |
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| This topic again? Anyway.... IntroverTurtle said: All anime are cartoons but not all cartoons are anime. |
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Ghostony said: QueenJenny said: Ghostony said: Debateably all animations are cartoons since none of them are going to be 100% realistic Do you think CGI animation would go under this definition? What about clay animation? Well if you're able to read, then you'll notice that neither of my examples fit any of those two definitions. |
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QueenJenny said: Ghostony said: QueenJenny said: Ghostony said: Debateably all animations are cartoons since none of them are going to be 100% realistic Do you think CGI animation would go under this definition? What about clay animation? Well if you're able to read, then you'll notice that neither of my examples fit any of those two definitions. Yes they do. Do you even english? |
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IntroverTurtle said: Shrabster said: What about powerpuff girls and Panty and Stocking? or Powerpuff girls and Powerpuff girls Demashita Z?Technically both are cartoons, personally see them as different because of the vastly different styles. It's that easy. Are you saying Panty and Stocking is similar to Powerpuff Girls? If so, there will always be some anime that have a more typically Western style approach (and vice versa) but for the most part it's easy to tell the styles apart even with those shows. Never heard of Demashita Z however. |
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Ghostony said: Yes they do. Do you even english? No, you're the one who doesn't English. How could claymation be considered the same as a cartoon you mean? Explain yourself. |
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Slyr3do0n said: Yeah, we know. And Wikipedia is not a proper proof btw. I didn't say it was ''proof''. |
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QueenJenny said: Ghostony said: Yes they do. Do you even english? No, you're the one who doesn't English. How could claymation be considered the same as a cartoon you mean? Explain yourself. Google dictionary said: drawing : The art or skill or making such pictures or diagrams.  Yeah, tottaly not cartoons |
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Ghostony said: Google dictionary said: drawing : The art or skill or making such pictures or diagrams. Yeah, tottaly not cartoons Yes, because Wallace and Gromit are neither drawings nor diagrams. |
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QueenJenny said: Ghostony said: Google dictionary said: drawing : The art or skill or making such pictures or diagrams. Yeah, tottaly not cartoons Yes, because Wallace and Gromit are neither drawings nor diagrams. they're drawings, they were drawn with clay. What more need you know |
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Shrabster said: Yes as in the art style. I don't see how it's easy to tell them apart. And Demashita Z is the japanese remake of powerpuff girls with a different artstyle.IntroverTurtle said: Shrabster said: What about powerpuff girls and Panty and Stocking? or Powerpuff girls and Powerpuff girls Demashita Z?Technically both are cartoons, personally see them as different because of the vastly different styles. It's that easy. Are you saying Panty and Stocking is similar to Powerpuff Girls? If so, there will always be some anime that have a more typically Western style approach (and vice versa) but for the most part it's easy to tell the styles apart even with those shows. Never heard of Demashita Z however. |
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Ghostony said: QueenJenny said: Ghostony said: Google dictionary said: drawing : The art or skill or making such pictures or diagrams. Yeah, tottaly not cartoons Yes, because Wallace and Gromit are neither drawings nor diagrams. they're drawings, they were draw'n(ed?)[past tense] with clay. What more need you know So now clay figurines are the same thing as drawings? *le sigh* You're the one who obviously can't English here. It doesn't even fit with the definition you used earlier: ''The art or skill or making such pictures or diagrams.'' |
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QueenJenny said: Ghostony said: QueenJenny said: Ghostony said: Google dictionary said: drawing : The art or skill or making such pictures or diagrams. Yeah, tottaly not cartoons Yes, because Wallace and Gromit are neither drawings nor diagrams. they're drawings, they were drawn with clay. What more need you know So now clay figurines are the same thing as drawings? *le sigh* You're the one who obviously can't English here. Sorry but you just don't seem to be able to comprehend it.. I thought the drawing of the dog with opposible thumbs would make it obvious |
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QueenJenny said: I don't mind anime being defined as "Japanese cartoons" in the technical sense of the word "cartoon." Only problem is, most people who apply that label are doing so to invoke the connotative meaning of "cartoon," i.e. its association with being mindless/crude comedies, for kids, toy marketing vehicles, etc. in order to get a rise out of anime fans. That's trolling, pure and simple. Same with the people who call them "Chinese cartoons" just to get people to rage about how China and Japan aren't the same just because they're both in Eastern Asia.I wonder what your view is on all of this. Would you consider something like Naruto a cartoon? If not, then what separates it from your idea of what the word is used to describe? Should we all just start calling anime 'Japanese cartoons' in order to upset pissy weebs? |
Zalis said: I don't mind anime being defined as "Japanese cartoons" in the technical sense of the word "cartoon." Only problem is, most people who apply that label are doing so to invoke the connotative meaning of "cartoon," i.e. its association with being mindless/crude comedies, for kids, toy marketing vehicles, etc. in order to get a rise out of anime fans. That's trolling, pure and simple. Same with the people who call them "Chinese cartoons" just to get people to rage about how China and Japan aren't the same just because they're both in Eastern Asia. Yes, that's sort of the point. I like pissing off otaku. |
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Zalis said: Only problem is, most people who apply that label are doing so to invoke the connotative meaning of "cartoon," i.e. its association with being mindless/crude comedies, for kids, toy marketing vehicles, etc. in order to get a rise out of anime fans. That's trolling, pure and simple. Same with the people who call them "Chinese cartoons" just to get people to rage about how China and Japan aren't the same just because they're both in Eastern Asia. Trolling weeabos is one of the best pleasures of the internet. They're one of the most butthurt fandom out there. Is their own fault for making a big deal of it. |
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| According to QueenJenny and Introverturtle, by Japans definition of Anime (the most accurate definition because they are the ones who made the word up) Not all anime are cartoons, but all anime are animations. |
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QueenJenny said: Zalis said: I don't mind anime being defined as "Japanese cartoons" in the technical sense of the word "cartoon." Only problem is, most people who apply that label are doing so to invoke the connotative meaning of "cartoon," i.e. its association with being mindless/crude comedies, for kids, toy marketing vehicles, etc. in order to get a rise out of anime fans. That's trolling, pure and simple. Same with the people who call them "Chinese cartoons" just to get people to rage about how China and Japan aren't the same just because they're both in Eastern Asia. Yes, that's sort of the point. I like pissing off otaku. There are no otakus here well maybe one guy and he is banned/dead. |
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IntroverTurtle said: All anime are cartoons but not all cartoons are anime. Anime is just what we call Japanese cartoons, it's a way to seperate it from what we think are basically two different culture and country's mediums or genres. In Japan it's just a short way to say animation, we just changed the definition a little. This thread should've been stopped here. I personally like people to distinguish Japanese animation from the common Western animation as "Anime" since they're way different in art style, culture and in their standards. It's called MyAnimeList for a damn good reason. |
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| Can't there be pinned boards for all these debates that get brought up a lot? You know, like this one, moe debate, old vs. new anime, and etc.? Though I guess it wouldn't help since people never seem to find the identifying anime sticky. |
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| Allow me to make a slight correction to hold the title as false. Anime and WESTERN cartoons are NOT the same. You are not false in saying that both are cartoons, but that's like saying we are the same as dogs because both humans and dogs are animals. Or that the US and Japan are both countries and therefore the same. Or... you get the point. Well summarized by: Shrabster said: Technically both are cartoons, personally see them as different because of the vastly different styles. It's that easy. |
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Ghostony said: According to QueenJenny and Introverturtle, by Japans definition of Anime (the most accurate definition because they are the ones who made the word up) Not all anime are cartoons, but all anime are animations. Neither of us came up with that word (obviously), and that only works if all animated films/series were cartoons, and well, they're not. 'Anime' simply refers to Japanese animation, not just Japanese cartoons, though that's what the great majority of them are. |
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| anime=cartoons. Weaboos gonna weab |
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| Anime is more on quality of drawings and cartoon is more on quality of animation. |
| Well as far as I know "anime" is just how the Japanese refer to animation in general. In the West we usually use the words "cartoon" or "animation". The contention comes in because in the US and Europe animation is more exclusively targeted towards kids (spongebob, my little pony, etc.) and idiots (family guy, south park, etc.) where as Japan has a larger proportion of more "serious" animations (not to say they don't have their fair share of child and idiot oriented stuff). But I suppose anime fans don't like their preferred medium being lumped in with western animation because of the fact that they see it as "more mature" which, to be fair, is a claim with at least a small amount of credence. But ya, tldr: anime and cartoon are words, get over it |
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