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09-08-11, 11:30 PM

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soulelle said:

Regarding the book she got (Kaeru-kun "Tokyo wo Sukuu" - "Save/Help Tokyo" by Froggy): She tried looking for it in the Light part of the Underworld but they didn't have it. She then asked #3 to help her find that book and #3 showed her the way to the Dark part of the library... The books in that library are all written by Kaeru-kun (i.e. Froggy). Most of them are called "Save/Help somebody/something", e.g. "Save Otello", "Save the Foreign Legion", "Save the lover", "Save the family" etc. The "Devil" reads three books to Himari about her past: "Save the H trio", "Save the Takakura", "Save the TV-combo" - it's up to you to speculate about the actual meaning of those titles. I'll do it once I'll see the episode with subs and can understand for sure everything that happened in each of the flashbacks. But I'm pretty sure that the book Himari was looking for and eventually found was the "spell" to get back to Tokyo. One might also consider it a pun on KAERU, which can also be translated as "return, go back" rather than "frog"


you have a interesting consideration.
but that "かえるくん東京を救う (Kaeru-kun Tokyo wo Sukuu / Super-Frog Saves Tokyo") is a title of a existent short story by Murakami Haruki.
it is included in a collection of short stories "神の子供たちは皆踊る(Kami noKodomotach ha Mina Odoru / "After the quake ")

this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_the_quake
 
09-08-11, 11:56 PM

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why does penguin nº 3 is already numbered in the first episode...

in fact i also found strange that it was numbered right after kanba said about numbering the penguins , i thought like "did he call himari for that?"
 
09-09-11, 12:05 AM

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Ok here is the first shot. The Seven Social Sins translated in the spoiler
based on that here is my take:


Going in order from top to bottom:
1. Sloth
2. Gluttony
3. Not sure
4. Greed
5. Cruelty
6. Tyranny
7. False belief
So what do you think?
zimno said:
Here are the key passages:
The stories were written in response to Japan's 1995 Kobe earthquake, and each story is affected peripherally by the disaster. Along with Underground, a collection of interviews and essays about the 1995 Tokyo gas attacks, and The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle, a complex exploration of Japan's modern history, after the quake represents part of an effort on the part of Murakami to adopt a more purposeful exploration of the Japanese national conscience.

All of the stories are set in February 1995, the month between the Kobe earthquake and the Tokyo gas attacks.
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09-09-11, 12:20 AM

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A most fabulous episode again. And after the cliffhanger last week, Ikuhara's such a troll xD The backstory was handled very well, it answered some questions but raised even more. Anyway, I'm glad it was a non Ringo-centric episode cuz I was getting slightly fed up with her antics.
How very fitting that the book Himari was looking for was named 'Super-Frog Saves Tokyo' (I suggest reading it, it's quite short). Firstly, because this Murakami's story is an example of magical realism, much like this anime itself. Secondly, because the story was published as a part of the collection called 'after the quake' - in it all the stores are set in 1995, between the Kobe earthquake and the Tokyo sarin gas attacks (yeah, me bringing this up again, but I don't believe in mere coincidences).
Music was great, now I'm eager to get the OST!
Oh, so much could be said and speculated about this episode, but my mind is currently blown, so I shall stop here.

Mundane said:
I'm getting such massive Utena vibes from this, which is great. I'm glad Ikuhara hasn't lost his touch after so long.

Definitely! And even the bride thing again xD

Yumekichi11 said:
Ok here is the first shot. The Seven Social Sins translated in the spoiler
based on that here is my take:


Going in order from top to bottom:
1. Sloth
2. Gluttony
3. Not sure
4. Greed
5. Cruelty
6. Tyranny
7. False belief
So what do you think?

Nice! Btw The Seven Social Sins listed on the library entrance really exist, they were proclaimed by Mahatma Ghandi.
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09-09-11, 12:28 AM

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metamorphius said:
Mundane said:
I'm getting such massive Utena vibes from this, which is great. I'm glad Ikuhara hasn't lost his touch after so long.

Definitely! And even the bride thing again xD

Yumekichi11 said:
Ok here is the first shot. The Seven Social Sins translated in the spoiler
based on that here is my take:


Going in order from top to bottom:
1. Sloth
2. Gluttony
3. Not sure
4. Greed
5. Cruelty
6. Tyranny
7. False belief
So what do you think?

Nice! Btw The Seven Social Sins listed on the library entrance really exist, they were proclaimed by Mahatma Ghandi.
That is what makes it even more interesting. Its implication may mean taht the library was indeed in heavens. Also the portal to hell existed there because it refers back to the Christian principle of "Fallen Angel" where hell is the Angel's fall down should they betray God. Thus the Abyss pit. Finding stuff may be easier but at a price perhaps it is easier to work harder at it then being spoon fed of finding it. Anyway interesting stuff.

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09-09-11, 12:35 AM

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Hmm, so this episode started at 7:10 of episode 1, except from Himari's perspective instead of Shouma's. Not much change except for a bright flash of light and this:
instead of this:


Also, for 9:02 for episode 1 and 2:39 for episode 9, try syncing up the "what color ribbon would you like?" "Let's see... Pink, please." dialogue and watch the scenes from both episodes at the same time. Himari begins her second descent after they administer epinephrine and the doors open as she's flat-lining. Not sure if that was intentional but it's pretty cool regardless.

And then these books:
The Stephen King one is obvious (and kind of funny considering last episode), but does anyone know what the first two are references of?
 
09-09-11, 12:35 AM

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I'm still in fits over the pink-haired beauty turning out to be a GUY.

I liked finding out where the girls in corsets were from. So are they supposed to be the same girls that show up on the train monitors?

Most of you guys are able to read much more into it than I can >_>

DrHouse said:
Hmm, so this episode started at 7:10 of episode 1, except from Himari's perspective instead of Shouma's. Not much change except for a bright flash of light and this:
instead of this:


Good catch!
 
09-09-11, 12:35 AM

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When I first saw the elevator part, I was reminded of Inception XD

Pretty interesting episode. I like how the two mascot girls on the subway are not just random mascots, but actually connected to Himari (it explains the ending scene too).
 
09-09-11, 12:37 AM

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Not coming from a belief system that recognizes sin, I still think Ghandi had the right idea as to what plagues societies in the modern (and post-modern) world. That inscription was one of the highlights of the episode. Finding out the origins of the subway girls was another.

Overall, just....wow......totally unexpected and adding an even deeper level of meaning below the main story. Can't wait for the next episode....
In my next life I want to collide at the corner with the cute transfer student carrying a piece of toast in her mouth......rodac

Must...not...feed...trolls....
 
09-09-11, 12:37 AM

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So we have to wait a little longfer to see what has become of Sho. This was certainly an interesting revelation.
 
09-09-11, 12:39 AM

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A random flashback episode when last episode ended with an accident was disappointing. Weird episode too. Pick hair dude is a pedo and Himari just happens to have her books when she was at the zoo. Also the penguin she had already had a number on the back.
 
09-09-11, 12:52 AM

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Yumekichi11 said:
That is what makes it even more interesting. Its implication may mean taht the library was indeed in heavens.Also the portal to hell existed there because it refers back to the Christian principle of "Fallen Angel" where hell is the Angel's fall down should they betray God. Thus the Abyss pit. Finding stuff may be easier but at a price perhaps it is easier to work harder at it then being spoon fed of finding it. Anyway interesting stuff.

Yeah, it's definitely interesting. I think it's safe to assume that the hidden library is at least not of this world.

EDIT: On another site, a person noted how the interior of the library is inspired by the concept for the Stockholm Public Library dubbed 'Wall of Knowledge'.

For some reason, all this is kinda reminding me of Jorge Luis Borges' stories.

DrHouse said:

And then these books:
The Stephen King one is obvious (and kind of funny considering last episode), but does anyone know what the first two are references of?

I believe the first book 'Sputnik Weirdo' may be reference to 'Sputnik Sweetheart' - another work by Haruki Murakami, but I0m not sure about the second one.
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09-09-11, 12:53 AM

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DrHouse said:

And then these books:
The Stephen King one is obvious (and kind of funny considering last episode), but does anyone know what the first two are references of?


first one is references of this: スプートニクの恋人(Sputnik Sweetheart) by Murakami Haruki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_Sweetheart
second one is : 年収10倍アップ勉強法 (amazon link) by Katsuma Kazuyo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazuyo_Katsuma

btw, i hate Katsuma Kazuyo
 
09-09-11, 1:03 AM

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I totally loved this episode! So many Utena references. The Return of Akio and now Himari is Penguin no Hanayome. My mind is blown with christian references. Damn Ikuhara, big troll 'cause let poor Shouma in another episode and 'cause he doesn't lose his touch.
 
09-09-11, 1:07 AM

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Sanetoshi is absolutely delicious. His hair is so pretty, I just want to touch it!

Interesting episode. It was nice to finally get some background on Himari.
The visuals on this episode were great!
 
09-09-11, 2:03 AM
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This episode was so beautifully crafted. Definitely my favorite thus far.
 
09-09-11, 2:26 AM

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did someone noticed the game-door between the library and the hole-library? with that shape the last number to be moved is the 4, and in japanese culture if i remember right they use 444 instead of 666
also with that last 4 rule, one has to complete it backward in number count
wonder what is the final picture once it has been completed, part of it near the handle looked like the face of a penguin (one eye and a peck)

penguins really are everywhere, pingsonic xD

mmm, after this episode it has come to my mind ringo's diary may be the record of her sister from the hole-library :/
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09-09-11, 3:33 AM

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wow that was a brilliant break from the main story to show what happened to Himari and i swear i thought that guy is breaking the bishonen line >_>; pink hair is too random lulz
so this "devil" supposedly tempted Himari by using her memories but she prevailed :D
pinguforce to pingoup.inc and the reversal of that conveyor belt to the library and its reverse side were brilliant o_O
maybe im the only one but himari's "soul mate" looked like sho to me ._. maybe its the hair >_>;

oh yea and looks like genderbender idea is out the window now lawl
 
09-09-11, 4:06 AM

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I got some more points but TBH there is way too much vagueness to be sure of anything as the interpretations to follow other than taking them into consideration. I do admit some of mines did come true in some anime series.
  • The Barefoot Gon thing in the spoiler
    is in fact a reference to this book from wiki. It’s about the A-bomb. Another tragic event.

  • Despite loving Himari’s lovely mother, the falling mirror segment and Himari’s mother in the spoiler
    being all injured may refer among the 7 sins, one of the wrath! Simply because Himari got angry and in its spur knocked the mirror, which ensued her mother being hurt. There is more to it, knowing this Sanetoshi most likely used this to invoke negative emotions upon Himari among the other ways he used. The segment was quite touching.

  • An interesting symbol in the spoiler
    not too familiar with its origin or meaning other than being some directional medium. Regardless I am curious about it.

  • In regards to the door number, did you think about why the white doves flew away suddenly in the spoiler?
    That’s because it means a bad omen and it also has a symbol that something evil/bad has been opened. Hence the underworld.

  • I am a little baffled as to how did Sanetoshi suddenly pull out that hat in the spoiler
    it is totally eluding that it would be remotely even possible itself.

  • According to the following spoiler
    there are indeed 2 factions and the ones from Natsume are very aggressive with their weaponry. While the other group may be one to help out society. Thing is that there should be not be a possibility that both factions may attack each other. There may also be a chicken/crow factions. Tabuki has a crow around him in the OP.

  • The apple segment with the 2 shadow figures in the spoiler
    may be the incest reference from the beginning. The soul mate may be Kanba but those are speculations. Being a forbidden fruit and fate being included it would not be foolish to think of incest being that taboo of fate being shared.

  • The child broiler in the spoiler
    is a obvious reference to this wiki reference among others. Simply because who else would you prepare kids to be served as meat for? Oh noes the Devil/Satan himself! Of course that implies human sacrifice notion.
Will leave it at that for point noticing.

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09-09-11, 4:26 AM

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^the 2 kids with the apple are in the child broiler's room
that child broiler may simply be the place where souls wait before to be born in a body (random guess)
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