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| WOW - The characters in this show REALLY pissed me off. HOW DUMB can some of them be? Firstly, Shu - there's optimism and there's just plain stupidity. And he NEVER learnt, TWICE, by two different people, he got told that he must use strategy and tactics but all he ever does throughout the whole show is rush in with a stick and start hitting, no matter what. His own self righteousness really gets me as well, even a little kid would pick up a gun, what's with him?! - This is war, learn to adapt to your situation FFS. That woman who aids Hamdo, WHAT THE HELL?! Why would ANYONE put up with that? It's clear that he's unstable, it's clear that she's being used, it's clear that if anyone follows him, it'll only lead to a dead end. Sure, follow him your whole damn life only when enemy defeats him does she betray him. I thought she would have at least done the honourable thing and drowned with him. RAAAAGE!!!! |
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Prede said: MRLX69: First Shu is very admireable for doing what he did. Not picking up the gun takes a certian type of person. He's a good human being because of it. Why should he have to adapt to the world? He should instead try and change the world...that's the point. And the women, Lady Abelia , probally was in love with King Hamdo. That would explain a lot. The English Voice actor compared it to women who stay in abuseive relationships, and a weird father like relationshp with him. I'd have to agree with her on both accounts. That would make sense. But yes that is the one question left unanswered by this series, that many wonder about. The most supported and popular theory is that She fell in love with him BEFORE he was insane. She then kept doing what he said, out of love and respect. But by the end,she TRULY relized how freaken NUTS the guy was, and thought it was best for the world if he were to die. My sentiments exactly. Especially since this isn't Shu's world. It's one thing to believe in nonviolence when you grew up in a time of war' it's another when you are just dropped right in the middle of it. And remember that one should always change the things he/she can never accept. This anime would have been ruined otherwise. And Abelia was in love, obviously. Ryushi said: No, those are the things you do when you don't know how to finish up the series, so up just insert an open ending. Well, its not open, but it had much more possibilities. I mean, so he is back to earth... Will he change his "fighting style"? Will he fing lalaru's look a like (Not sara.)? Will he fight that kendo kid again? Another extra episode telling the "after story" really wouldn't hurt anyone. An extra episode would actually hurt this story. You're complaining about the possibilities, but in actuality they aren't. Anyone who watched the series would have an answer to your questions (because we know Shu). The ending wasn't open, like you said. And as the person you replied to said before, the best endings always leave you wanting more. One of the five anime that really suprised me. |
fisher_88Jun 24, 2009 9:15 PM
fisher_88 said: I already had enough of open endings.An extra episode would actually hurt this story. You're complaining about the possibilities, but in actuality they aren't. Anyone who watched the series would have an answer to your questions (because we know Shu). The ending wasn't open, like you said. And as the person you replied to said before, the best endings always leave you wanting more. And i must say, that this specific open ending was horrible comparing to the full series. It ended like nothing had happened at all. I mean, sure, Shu's objective was to stay they way he was, but acting like nothing had happened is just so unreal and flat that kind of messes up with all that psycology that the series was using as base. |
| that was really good! it's not the best ending i have ever seen, but it was one of the better one's. i wanted more of when he got home and the effects of the things that transpired when he was in the other world. this was quite good, and la la ru had a very annoying name. but la la and shu were complete opposites. hard to believe that they fell in love. but in the end i give it a 9/10. a great anime. |
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| Pushed a little harder than normal and finished this series in 3 days. This has to be one of the more depressing series I've seen. This last episode did not have as much impact on me compared to some of the previous episodes, although the ending was not too bad. I kind of wish it had a little more closure though, compared to this rather open ending. I still can't and don't agree with Shu's way of thinking and way of doing things, but still, I guess he stuck to his ideals right till the very end in not shooting other people with a gun. Although his optimism still annoyed me since good things do not necessarily happen to those who continue living. This series should be at least an 8/10 or 9/10. I'm not sure what more I can wish for in the ending other than a little more closure. |
Ryushi said: I already had enough of open endings. And i must say, that this specific open ending was horrible comparing to the full series. It ended like nothing had happened at all. I mean, sure, Shu's objective was to stay they way he was, but acting like nothing had happened is just so unreal and flat that kind of messes up with all that psycology that the series was using as base. 'like nothing had happened', 'open ending'. Ha! People should get schooled on what open endings are! There are tons of classic literature you should read; better yet, just go and see some reviews on some of the greatest endings in media (choose what you like), understand what endings are and what they are/aren't supposed to accomplish. Hint: great endings always leave you wanting more. |
| This gets a 10/10 from me because I couldn't have hoped for something better. Like fisher said, one of the biggest surprises I've seen in anime too. During the last episode, I also thought it seemed rushed, with the big chance in pace, but mainly I was thinking that it seemed quite exaggerated/stupid (let's not talk about time/place warp, flying towers, water controlled by a girl and a jewel) since it seemed so easy. This could have actually ended much earlier in practically the same way (but of course, it wouldn't have been satisfying). I also thought something else made it impossible, and I figured that out when I had time to re-think quickly once the episode finished (too busy paying attention to the episode, and it could wait). The reason I believe it couldn't have happened earlier, is because Lala Ru didn't have the same character back then. The character developments played a big part in the show. Even though she had lost trust in humans, thanks to Shu, Soon, Sis, etc, she had the opportunity to feel emotions again. Shu was right in her eyes, the world does have good people, and she gives them the chance to live with her sacrifice. I didn't mind how Shu was just silent back in his home. Seriously, why would he start jumping around or act surprised? That would have ruined it. I see it as reflecting upon what happened, and how so much has happened, yet in his world he's the only aware. Everything he's lived through recently, everything that meant so much just 5 seconds ago, is entirely gone; only memories and feelings are left. He might even be wondering how everything will continue there, if reuniting with Lala Ru will have to wait until he dies himself, etc. The silence was the best way to express that; if we could hear him asking himself that, it'd just feel out of place, since we've rarely (if not never, I'm not 100% positive about it, although I am quite sure) heard him contemplating out loud what choice to make. We only had his answer in those situations. No answers in this one, no speech. Perfect. An after story wouldn't be my thing. A psychological anime gets you to think, and an open ending is one of the best ways to really do that. You can imagine too many questions that you can consider will never be answered. I'm glad this one followed that route. Although I'm very annoyed by Shu's type, loud brat, optimistic 24/7, etc, and I actually disliked him throughout most of the series, that ended up being gone by the time I reached the last episode. How he was still humane at the end was a good thing, and also let the show have optimistic messages and not mainly the bad ones about the effects of war (too many to count, although a lot are already known, I'd still guess people actually realized some things by watching it). He doesn't become a favorite character just for that though, heh. Big sunsets were pretty epic. I lol'd @ how Sara just ditched her family back in America. |
HakoriaAug 4, 2009 7:38 PM
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| This was a spectacular series but, as some people already pointed, the final episode felt really rushed. Mostly due to the fact that they omitted needed scenes for the sake of just ending the thing. Still, despite the emptiness of the episode, I did like the ending. ^_^ 9/10 |
ArcanusAug 20, 2009 2:48 AM
| Well, I don't really like Shu's kind of character either. Especially after he leaves Hellywood. I hoped for some kind of riot or else, but it seems Hamda at least did one thing right. He he managed through fear and else to keep his men from betraying him.(Perhaps with Abelia's help) The interesting thing was about the characters that they weren't as heroic as usually the anime characters are. They made quite large mistakes acted irreasonable and showed lesser will to change. It's kind of like how most of the people do things. It thus helped to sympatise with the characters more(at least for me). About the rushed ending. It was only natural if they spend so much time showing the peacefull life of that village. Anyways it was a good show, but I expected more at the beginning. 8/10 |
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| Wow! and I thought Grave of Fireflies was depressing... So technically in the end nothing happened, except for memories of Shu and one girl from America dissappearing everything is the same.... Anyhow the anime was really great. At many times I felt really angry and sad. Shu beating Hamado with his trusty stick ( which for some reason after suffering through hell broke in the end) was really relieving. The whole Sarah part of the story made me the most worked up. Whether the ending felt rushed or not i dont know I didnt cared but in the end I did feel like What?! over? already!!, I felt like they could have shown more...Before the credits started rollling with the song(the song is amazing i just cant get it out my head, its just there) i was wishing plz dont end ..... show me something, anything...! but....... o well.....there are hardly any animes that I have watched and given low rating all of them have 6-9/10, but 10/10 is rating I save fore animes like this. Prede said: hmm..never thought it like that... fisher_88 said: Well I would love a after story. Not something like sequel or something with an all new story, just maybe like a 20 min ep, like I said above....show me something, anything...!! There is so much more I want to say about this anime...o well.. |
| Hamdo really got on my nerves. I'm glad he died, and moreover, I'm glad Abelia let him die. Anyway, I really really liked this anime. I wasn't sure what to expect when I started it, but it really turned out to be quite the dramatic journey. Really Good. I must say though, it was quite sad. There were a lot of people who died that I wish hadn't, though that added to the drama which was a good hook for the story. I really enjoyed this. |
| "There are four lights!! THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!!!" - Captain Jean-Luc Picard |
| The seiyu for Hamdo did a terrific job. I was delighted when Shu beat the crap out of him with his stick; Hamdo had a fitting dead he drown like rat.Too many sudden dead's to make me care emotionally, but nonetheless a great ending. I'm glad I stumbled into this wonderful series, I wonder why it's rated so low on MAL. ☺ 7-8/10 How's the English Dub?, I might show this to my family. |
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| Such a bittersweet ending, with Nabuca and Sis dying...(I think I'm not mistaken when I say no one misses Tabool and personally, I don't miss Lala-Ru.) What surprised me at first is that Sara didn't go back to America...but thinking about it now, how could she? After all those things she's been through, and with Sis's kids having no one left alive... ...Funny, how I have many things to say while I'm watching the episode, and when the whole series ends, I don't really know what to write about it. I'll try anyway. Well, after the first few episodes I didn't expect myself to enjoy this as much as I did by the end. What I find unusual, and adding so much to the storytelling's intensity, is that the creators never spared us anything - we just watched a show about children who kill each other, for crying out loud. Even if the very ending with Shu going back home was a little too quick, it left no bad impression, at least on me. I'll definitely remember this one for a long time. Glad I picked it up :) Edit: Ah, and in the end, it was Abelia who killed Hamdo. Way to wake up, darling. |
CenedessMar 5, 2010 3:40 PM
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| Well, I started this last weekend, watched a few episodes here and there up to episode 5, and then finished all the rest tonight. Despite what a lot of people seem to think, I liked the ending. I thought Sara staying behind with Sis's kids was the right thing to do, and then with Shu when he got back and his bag was there at the place, like nothing had happened...I liked that. The reason I liked it I think, is that it's like, what are you supposed to do now? He just went through all that insanely horrible stuff, saw people beaten, war, death, and yet, suddenly he's smack dab right where he was before all of that. If that happened to you, do you really know what you'd do next? Cause I sure don't, and he seemed almost like he felt lost when he was back, and to me, that really fit. I gave this 9/10. |
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| I was rather disappointed in the anime as a whole. I mean, almost all of the reviews I had read of it spoke of it's thought provoking look at war and how it was a depressing look at the world, etc. etc. Yet that part of the story rarely affected me like that at all. As for the ending, I think it was more suited for the opening quote that you saw throughout the entire anime. All of the time he spent in that world, the relationships he built, how easily destroyed they were. Like his stick he had with him. It stuck with him throughout the entire series, and then... just like that... it was gone. I mean, I don't know about anyone else, but I probably felt more attached to that stick than to anyone else in the story. I felt like there was little effort to forge a connection between the watcher and the characters. Sure some of them I felt a twinge towards when they died, but all in all it was just a "oh, looks like they're done for." All in all, I gave it a 7/10. |
| "To be ignorant and to be deceived are two different things. To be ignorant is to be a slave of the world. To be deceived is to be the slave of another man. The question will always be: Why, when all men are ignorant, and therefore already slaves, does this latter slavery sting us so?" ~ R. Scott Baker |
| Well that ended abruptly. Most of the storylines got chopped off at the end and there was no time to reflect on the things that did get resolved. After watching all the terrible thing happening to children I'd expect more from the end. Also, isn't it ironic that the only way to save the day was to kill the bad guy in the end? Wasn't the point of the show is to tell us that killing is always bad under every possable circumstance? I think the truth is a little more complicated than that so I wish they didn't make everything so darn simplistic for the show. Despite it's flawed ending, it was at least better than anything that AIC is making these days. |
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| this is the most epic anime i have watched that was in dubbed version i honestly enjoyed this anime regardless of how long it has been since i watched this |
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| I wish I could kill every single character in this entire series. Not one of them would be spared my godlike wrath, and their torment would be eternal. But sadly, it's just an anime. 6/10 because I couldn't bring myself to think that even one of the characters were decent. And the only believable character was Sara. |
| Awful series, the characters were so one-dimensional and all the drama was completely forced. I love how the character deaths always drawn out and ridiculous like a B action movie. It was often more absurd than a dumb parody of action movies. Also I don't quite understand why a massive ship which is searching for water would completely falter when it gets drenched or why Sara would accept living because Shu gave a generic speech on how living is better than dying and it will be worth it(?). I personally think a story without Shu and a story revolving around Nabuca would've been more interesting character-wise. |
| Closest feeling I can compare the ending of this series to would be TTGL. But TTGL didn't have such absolute gruesome details to it. I suppose I should say TTGL reminds me of this anime instead, although I watched this one after. This story was amazing, to say the least. A tragic end, with hope for the future. Sara obviously couldn't return home. It'd be better for her family to assume she ran away/is dead/etc, than for her to return home pregnant, attempt to explain what happened and have no one believe her for the rest of her life. At least in the "future," as long as she is alive she can help make a difference, and I think Shu helped her realize this (as much as he annoys the hell out of me). I probably felt the most for Sara throughout, but that's likely common for most of you. As far as the ending being rushed, I agree to an extent. I don't really want to know what Shu did, I think that's already pretty obvious. Something I'm curious about is Lala-ru. The way it happens in the anime it seems like when the water is all dispersed throughout the planet, the girl also disperses. So at what point did the water decide to dry up and collect into the pendant? If the plant was indeed earth in the future, how long had the water been dried? Was it just because of the world-wide conquest of Hamdo? Lala-ru mentions being alive for so much longer than others, but is that to mean she has been in human form for that long? Or has she always been "alive," even as water? I guess I'm asking for a lot here, but it didn't really need to be word for word, this is exactly how things are. Even some hints about how she came to be, I guess. But really this is just curiosity, and doesn't affect my enjoyment of the series overall. In the end a 9/10 from me, fantastic series. |
| If you want to feel depressed by watching anime then this is it |
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| ^ yep, I can stand a lot but rape isn't one of them T_T |
| Fantastic series. Some pretty horrifying moments (Shu trying to save the assassin in ep 5 comes to mind), but overall it packs a serious punch. Marathoned it in about a day :-D BTW, the soldier who actually raped Sara is the ugly one who gets about 4 seconds of screen time total. I forget the episode, but she picks him out in a crowd and panics for a few moments. Her reaction to the 'nice' soldier was just the same reaction she gave to any soldier (remember the almost rapist?) I'ma give it 9/10 |
| "Ah yes, the demon drink...'Nature's Alzheimer's' they call it" |
| I think this series really captured a lot of what Japanese youth wish... sans the rape, slavery and killing. In the end, good won out in most everyone's heart and those that did not were killed. Shu got to go home and saving a world is all in a day's work for him. It certainly was an excruciating story though. Deaths riddled everywhere such as Sis and Soon break my heart. |
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XxMalcolm said: teasaveslives said: Fantastic series. Some pretty horrifying moments (Shu trying to save the assassin in ep 5 comes to mind), but overall it packs a serious punch. Marathoned it in about a day :-D BTW, the soldier who actually raped Sara is the ugly one who gets about 4 seconds of screen time total. I forget the episode, but she picks him out in a crowd and panics for a few moments. Her reaction to the 'nice' soldier was just the same reaction she gave to any soldier (remember the almost rapist?) I'ma give it 9/10 she was also raped by him as well. Really? Which episode? |
| "Ah yes, the demon drink...'Nature's Alzheimer's' they call it" |
| Yeah, lots of messed up stuff happened in this series. Overall, I'm pretty satisfied with the ending and the show overall. Definitely not a feel-good anime, but it gets some other emotions stirring. 8/10 Glad I watched it. |
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| Amazing emotionally powerful story line. I am definitely going to have to write a review on this show. One of my favorite series. You ever get that feeling when watching a 13 ep anime series thats its just not enough, like its a short season that they can expand upon by a whole alot. I certainly do on most occasions, but this show really had such great pacing to it and i felt like i was actually watching a good 26 episodes series instead of a 13 episodes series. Truly a remarkable masterpiece, well directed and written. |
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| Noooooo! Nabucaaaaa! In other news, this was a pretty good anime. Gotta go now read about actual child soldiers. |
| The series was amazing! Such a distinctive and heavy-handed series. All of the characters were flawed, and that's a good thing. The ending was rushed, but I'm glad it finished in a happy way. :) 9/10 |
| I'm somewhat satisfied with the ending and foresaw most of the events happening, like Abelia turning on Hamdo and Sara choosing to stay, but like others I felt it was rushed. Still don't know why Abelia is so devoted to Hamdo. Yeah she was in love with him, but why? No background or back-story. The story never fleshed out her character and I thought she was the most one-dimensional characters in the series. Also I like Shu's optimism, because he was proactive about it and he had a lot of determination. It's wasn't blind optimism or sit on your ass hoping for good things to happen, he made them happen and pushed through. It's one thing to say it, but it means much more when you do it. One last thing, Hamdo got off easy. He deserved much worse. |
MiraiLinkMay 14, 2011 2:50 AM
teasaveslives said: XxMalcolm said: teasaveslives said: Fantastic series. Some pretty horrifying moments (Shu trying to save the assassin in ep 5 comes to mind), but overall it packs a serious punch. Marathoned it in about a day :-D BTW, the soldier who actually raped Sara is the ugly one who gets about 4 seconds of screen time total. I forget the episode, but she picks him out in a crowd and panics for a few moments. Her reaction to the 'nice' soldier was just the same reaction she gave to any soldier (remember the almost rapist?) I'ma give it 9/10 she was also raped by him as well. Really? Which episode? I don't remember which episode but she was. Its inferred that she (and really all other girls kidnapped to Hellywood, who we don't meet but they're mentioned in a few conversations) is raped by all the men she is carted to in chains by the boy soldiers so they can try to impregnate her, except the last one that she kills before he can. Pretty good show, hella depressing, could have been better though. 8/10 |
| Sheer disappointment for me after all the praise I have read about it. It has some very strong points, especially around Sara's and Nabuca's characters. Still, the flaws are noticeably there and take away a lot from the enjoyment value. 7/10. |
| its a freaking crime that this show is so unknown and underrated, i dont think ive seen another show pull off the emotions this show did. And people need to give this ending more credit, they wrapped everything up and managed to make a ending that was both depressing but uplifting |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| A show full of contradictions and ridiculous plot. How on earth does a trained soldier (Abelia) miss when her target is right in front of her? 4/10 |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
| i haven't commented on any of the other eps, the reason being, i marathoned the S**t out of this, literally all done in one sitting aside from toilet breaks and food. This series was amazing for me, brilliant plot-line, great characters, emotional, shock factor, action, crazy ass leader.... I couldn't have asked for me... well actually, I wish it would have been longer to tie up a few things but apart from that, very much a 9 and earning a spot in my favourites! |
| Finally got around to watching this classic. I can certainly feel the flair of 90s anime here with solid story telling and great direction. While I must commend the creators for the heavy message and dark mood, I've also got to say that for such an approach a much more realistic handling would have been necessary. Shu winning fights with a wooden stick against guns? Over and over? Seriously? The 2 assassins failing in their attempt at Hamdo's life? Ridiculous! In a non-anime-environment a character like Shu would not have lived long enough to even make one of his generic speeches. "Everything will turn out well, I promise" - really? I really couldn't come to like his character, it seemed so stereotypical and uncalled for with such a dark story. There were also quite a few questions left unadressed that I felt were rather important, one being Abelia's loyalty (or rather devotion) for such a creep. Some things were just so convenient, simply to make the story run for 13 episodes. Having said all that, I was weirdly fascinated by the show and watched it in a single day. However, I can't really say that I enjoyed it. Important message but somewhat lackluster execution in the details. The series could not transcend its anime-origin - which I feel it needed to in order to fully succeed. |
| Watching Hamdo got beaten by a wooden stick made this series worth it for me. |
| Such a beautiful, strong, and meaningful ending to this anime! I really loved the sense of closure with the death of Hamdo and Sara finding peace with herself! I would definitely give a 10 for the last three episodes and an 8 for the whole anime |
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| What a wonderful anime! Watching the first episode I never expected that the series could become so sad, cruel and cynical. The story is nothing special but the interaction between the characters and the realism of the events have been really well done! I think the end is right, for Sara to return to the earth would have been embarrassing and complicated after all that suffering, but mainly because of being pregnant and Shu finally was able to go home and try to live a normal life. One of the few series that I will hardly forget. 9/10 |
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| Why Lalaru die?!!!!.....Why Sara not going back to earth? minoru09 said: Watching Hamdo got beaten by a wooden stick made this series worth it for me. Yeah, F*cking insane Hamdo beaten to crap by wooden stick and drown to death...... |
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| I didn't like the ending at all, it destroyed what the series achieved. First off they make a point of making Sara's psychological after-rape state as realistic as possible, then in like 5 seconds she self cures herself and finds enlightenment. A woman her age in her condition would be very unlikely to keep the child, or being able to take care of it anyway, she would need heavy psychological counselling after that not more responsabilities. Also, why would she stay in a chaotic land with ex melitias running loose rather than return to her obviously worried parents. I'm also really pissed at the obortion deal, it felt like conservative christian crap to me, it's like they outright said to her that decent people don't have abortions. Then there's Abelia, really! It is almost impossible that she wouldn't be executed, but I guess since Sara being a reborn saint and getting appointed as commander and chief she gives the orders now. And with all the crap she did should she be spared? I also found all the heroic sacrifices they did to pass the trash of the cast as decent characters annoying. Sara's rapist redeems himself because deep down he's really a good person; what a load! Yeah sure, he's the kind of guy you want dating your daughter. Some scenes were just utterly stupid. Off course the series had more than just the ending as a weak point, having a shounen hero didn't help either. Don't get me wrong I like shounens, I love them actually, but some genres just don't mix and a gripping realistic depiction of the horrors of war in a post-apocalyptic land DOES NOT need Naruto as the lead. Then there was the character focus, seriously, the boring shounen lead gets almost all of the screen time when the focus should have really been on Sara: she was the best character right up until the final episode. Though to be honest I wasn't too fond on how our shounen lead's speech saved her from depression; heck psychiatry is overrated, you don't need an expert to anylize you for years to help you pass your post-kidnapping/rape/impregnation trauma, all you need is an idealistic teen to give you the shounen "never give up" rethoric. In retrospect I liked the series (7/10) but I would have preferred to love it and I honestly can't. Don't get me wrong, a 7 is plenty from me, it means I not only liked it but will re-watch it one day. But it also means the series as it share of flaws. |
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| Disappointing really, everyone expecting Sara to keep the baby repulsed me and I would've liked to see that world die. Too many random things that don't make sense either and too much crap thrown together. Overrated and bad imo. That being said, Lala Ru disappearing was a nice tough, sad, but nice. |
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