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I've seen a few people cancel their subscriptions over this and I really hope more do (I mean, I can't see them needing much of a push at all now after all this "maintenance") as maybe then MAL would get the message. The way they worded that triggered the fuck out of me as it was nothing short of disingenuous and dirty. If DeNa forced them to do it, that's fine, (although I'm betting the pressure came from elsewhere) but don't paint the move as "supporting the industry" and fansubs as a force for evil to save your backside.. A retired mod told me that they tried to get rid of the feature years ago but couldn't because of backlash (or the possibility of it, because it IS a useful feature), so I guess they thought that if they did it sort-of under the guise of an "everything's finally (not) back up!!" announcement and all the recent havoc, and added that bit of "reasoning" at the start; it wouldn't cause too much of a stir. |
ZaugrSep 18, 2018 9:01 AM
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| Goodbye Fansub Group section |
Zaugr said: I don't recall the Mal staff ever wanting to get rid of the fansub section. It was always the company who owned Mal that wanted to. Crave also wanted to, and now Dena just did.I've seen a few people cancel their subscriptions over this and I really hope more do (I mean, I can't see them needing much of a push at all now after all this "maintenance") as maybe then MAL would get the message. The way they worded that triggered the fuck out of me as it was nothing short of disingenuous and dirty. If DeNa forced them to do it, that's fine, (although I'm betting the pressure came from elsewhere) but don't paint the move as "supporting the industry" and fansubs as a force for evil to save your backside.. A retired mod told me that they tried to get rid of the feature years ago but couldn't because of backlash (or the possibility of it, because it IS a useful feature), so I guess they thought that if they did it sort-of under the guise of an "everything's finally (not) back up!!" announcement and all the recent havoc, and added that bit of "reasoning" at the start; it wouldn't cause too much of a stir. |
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| I never got the hate for fan-subs. I don't really consider them pirates, just fans who wanted to share something obscure with the world to save it from oblivion. I imagine the fan-subbers do purchase the show when they can (hence clean quality), and by exposing it to more people they hope other people will support it legally as well that may hopefully bring attention to it so it can become licensed and more legally/widely available. It's why a lot of fan-subs have watermark disclaimers in the beginning of the episodes that roughly state "Not for sale or rent! If you paid for this, you were ripped off!" I take that as a warning message about piracy and knowing what to look for. Demeaning fan-subs and killing sections dedicated to them isn't how you fight piracy. |
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| You are really shooting yourselves in the foot with the fansub list removal move. It clearly shows where your priorities lie: your sponsors, not the users that actually made MAL what it is today. Regrettable, to say the least. |
Zaugr said: myanimelistllc said: As part of ongoing efforts to support the anime and manga industry, the Fansub Group section of the site has been removed. ...What? How does that in any way "support" the industry? It just hurts the community. Fansub groups, if anything, need more love right now. They were doing the vast majority of the work before Crunchyroll ever came about, and have (and still do) helped the international anime community discover how many great animes that would have otherwise never been heard of or licensed abroad? You guys can remove the feature sure, it might not have been popular, but why paint it and fansubs as a force for bad..? That's nothing but insulting. I'm willing to bet that Crunchyroll would have never even come about without all the old fansub groups' role in making anime as widely popular as it is today, nor would so many companies be interested in releasing their films and shows abroad. And god for bid a scenario where the majority would need to rely on Crunchyroll's subs... what with their history of politicizing and changing all manner names and important structure. And out of all the times, why on Earth would you guys think it'd be good idea to do this now? After all the "recent" shit? For me this was definitely one of the most useful features this site had for whenever I wanted to watch old, forever-unlicensed animes; being able to see which groups subbed it, and see people's feedback on those subs (or give feedback myself). I've had an account on Crunchy Roll since 2006 back before it became what it is now. Many people tend to forget or not even know that Crunchy Roll was built off of all the fansubs it used to host that fans were uploading when you used to be able to. They wouldn't be where they are now without fansubs. So their holy than thou attitude towards people using Fansubs is just hilarious to me. |
| Im waiting for the ios app thanks for your service MAL. |
cartals said: taiga discontinued MAL supportPlease asap fix this API we want to use taiga. |
Zephyrast said: Crunchyroll and Funimation have proven to me over and over that they can't be trusted to deliver consistent, accurate translations. Are there problems with every show? No, but the fact that numerous "official" subs they release have severe paraphrasing or outright mistranslations is what creates the need for fansub groups to do the job they should have done in the first place. The numbers (like nyaa DLs and views on KA) show that an extremely vast majority of pirates consume straight rips of official subs, either via re-encodes on bootleg streaming sites, or downloading the HorribleSubs rips directly. Clearly they're adequate for most anime viewers. Are there legitimate criticisms of official subs? Sure, but actually caring enough to look for something different makes you an outlier. Sangaz said: Given that the site's userbase skews towards younger viewers and seasonal/airing anime watchers, most of the "fansubs" they're watching are just edited versions of official subs anyway. If they're even watching something other than 1:1 copies of official subs, which again, most are not. From-scratch, original translations don't exist anymore for shows that get official simulcast releases -- the kinds of shows that get the majority of pirate activity, according to the KA numbers -- and that's been the case for most of the past decade. Basically MAL shitting on it's roots and it just doesn't sit well with me. I mean at least half the user base's anime lists would be a good 70% smaller if it weren't for fansubs. So as unfortunate as it was to see the section go, there was a visible decline in its usefulness and quality: a devolution towards arguing/voting between several versions with essentially the same scripts. For "pre-streaming era" 2000s shows, the version you're most likely to find on illegal streaming and torrent sites is probably going to be the best one anyway, and obscure pre-2000 stuff rarely has more than one release in the first place. For the more-popular classics, all the pirated versions just use official scripts. |
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myanimelistllc said: As part of ongoing efforts to support the anime and manga industry, the Fansub Group section of the site has been removed. What is this bullshit are you saying? More like your ongoing efforts to sell out your fucking userbase. |
| Good to know. Never used Fansubs anyway |
| I'm kind of surprised people are talking about suddenly MAL being a sell-out, like everything the day before was ok. Fact is DeNA was and is a legit Japanese company, not a few random people who try to get into legal business and slowly turning MAL into something different. From the moment they bought MAL, it meant something like this (though to be fair, at first I didn't realise that DeNa being DeNA would be so detrimental to MAL's development). I bet if it were only their decision, fansubs would have been removed the moment they realised the function exists :'D I guess fansubs being a kind of gray area and it being told it is an important feature, they did the least thing possible and removed the links at first, but I'm not surprised they finally removed them altogether. They have partnerships with manga publishers and anime distributors and we even have a manga store. Is it REALLY surprising they removed the fansubs? Whatever good fansubs did in the past, things change and don't forget that MAL is owned by a legit company that has ties with the anime and manga industry which probably doesn't want to rock the boat anymore. Is it a good decision? Well, for us definitely not. For them? EHHH, have they done any proper decision making lately? I get why this happened and I was waiting for it to happen sooner or later, but unfortunately, they suck at trying at keeping a balance. They seem to be losing this game and I wonder when they will wake up... maybe when they finally churn out that API. Maybe if they brought some seiyuu to speak to us too on MAL :^) (And to be fair, I think they have done good things for MAL, but they are slipping way more and my faith is 0.) Either way, my point was that MAL itself isn't a sell-out, but MAL is business to DeNA and business is what it will keep on doing. (Though, they aren't good businessmen :'D) |
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| I never saw fansubs to be an official feature so, this is probably for the best. Clubs can be dedicated to fansubs instead, and it's more appropriate. Communities in a site versus site features are two different things. |
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I think they realized it with maintenance. CEO: Oh wait do we have a feature like that?? Dev: Seems so. Since we do jack shit about the site, we didn't notice it either. CEO: Oohh... So that why. Remove it. Probably something like this. |
| Help me When I check the anime in myanimelist apk it give me a error "Update Latest:Please Download Now" Please Tell me How I resolve this problem |
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Bravo MAL. You know why? In the end, regardless of ethics, or motive, fansubs are technicaly illegal. So I fully support this move as it’s helping the industry. It’s also keeping MAL out of legal trouble. |
Maffy said: I'm kind of surprised people are talking about suddenly MAL being a sell-out, like everything the day before was ok. Fact is DeNA was and is a legit Japanese company, not a few random people who try to get into legal business and slowly turning MAL into something different. From the moment they bought MAL, it meant something like this (though to be fair, at first I didn't realise that DeNa being DeNA would be so detrimental to MAL's development). I bet if it were only their decision, fansubs would have been removed the moment they realised the function exists :'D I guess fansubs being a kind of gray area and it being told it is an important feature, they did the least thing possible and removed the links at first, but I'm not surprised they finally removed them altogether. They have partnerships with manga publishers and anime distributors and we even have a manga store. Is it REALLY surprising they removed the fansubs? Whatever good fansubs did in the past, things change and don't forget that MAL is owned by a legit company that has ties with the anime and manga industry which probably doesn't want to rock the boat anymore. Is it a good decision? Well, for us definitely not. For them? EHHH, have they done any proper decision making lately? I get why this happened and I was waiting for it to happen sooner or later, but unfortunately, they suck at trying at keeping a balance. They seem to be losing this game and I wonder when they will wake up... maybe when they finally churn out that API. Maybe if they brought some seiyuu to speak to us too on MAL :^) (And to be fair, I think they have done good things for MAL, but they are slipping way more and my faith is 0.) Either way, my point was that MAL itself isn't a sell-out, but MAL is business to DeNA and business is what it will keep on doing. (Though, they aren't good businessmen :'D) The issue is @Kineta lied and said MAL wouldn't remove the fansub section after the first removals of series that were owned by the streaming affiliates. idealtoy said: Bravo MAL. You know why? In the end, regardless of ethics, or motive, fansubs are technicaly illegal. So I fully support this move as it’s helping the industry. It’s also keeping MAL out of legal trouble. Its REALLY funny you actually believe that. |
Drunk_Samurai said: I don't believe it's accurate to say I "lied" when a year or more has passed since I last wrote anything about fansubs. But in the end, the events of the last 4 months should clearly indicate to everyone that I don't make any decisions for MAL that DeNA executes, and an inkling into just how much my opinion or advice on things is taken into consideration. If I had any participation at all in this decision, I would have taken responsibility for communicating it.The issue is @Kineta lied and said MAL wouldn't remove the fansub section after the first removals of series that were owned by the streaming affiliates. |
myanimelistllc said: We are currently working a new terms of use for third party application developers. Also, we have mostly finished reviewing all the tasks necessary for completing development. We are planning to start work on the remaining development some time next week. Now that you speak of new, did we have/ where is the old developer agreement and policy ? |
| Talk is cheap, show me the code. Almost is not good enough. |
| Everyone that posted a comment in this thread bitching and complaining about fansubs, third party etc, etc, etc you need to stop. DeNA is not going to listen to you or me. You cannot complain to MAL moderators b/c they have been neutered by DeNA and that is a bad thing. They ran this ship efficiently. DeNA could learn a thing or two from the ancient Romans and how they ran their conquered foes. The ONLY way any of us can affect change is by voting and I am not talking about a ballot box. You vote with your money ( subscriptions ) and your memberships. Cancel your subscriptions and abandon your profiles. Go somewhere else. That is the only way DeNA will change. Example: The NFL. They are a multi-billion dollar entity. The last three seasons ( to include the start of the current season ) they have suffered large loss of viewership b/c of issues on and off the field. They have started to make changes to appease the viewers/fan base b/c they are starting to lose some of those billions. Don't be surprised if the NFL folds in five years b/c they can't stop the hemorrhaging. You want change? Cancel your subscriptions and leave MAL. BTW, can anyone tell me a good site or two? You can find me here. |
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Kineta said: Drunk_Samurai said: I don't believe it's accurate to say I "lied" when a year or more has passed since I last wrote anything about fansubs. But in the end, the events of the last 4 months should clearly indicate to everyone that I don't make any decisions for MAL that DeNA executes, and an inkling into just how much my opinion or advice on things is taken into consideration. If I had any participation at all in this decision, I would have taken responsibility for communicating it.The issue is @Kineta lied and said MAL wouldn't remove the fansub section after the first removals of series that were owned by the streaming affiliates. Of all the moderators of MAL, Kineta is in our corner. I don't say this b/c we are friends. Over the years I have had opportunities to see how she conducts herself both w/ me and other members concerning different issues both good and bad. She is top notch and if you are going to call her a liar I am going to say you don't know anything about her and keep your comments to yourself until you know the full/complete picture. |
| Active Military, Prior Service and Veteran's Anime Club do not forget the sound of my voice until the day we reunite |
| Boi the industry is supported more by piracy than legal methods. |
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Antalk said: Of all the moderators of MAL, Kineta is in our corner. I don't say this b/c we are friends. Over the years I have had opportunities to see how she conducts herself both w/ me and other members concerning different issues both good and bad. She is top notch and if you are going to call her a liar I am going to say you don't know anything about her... The real thing right here. Wish I could +1 the post. |
| Wow MAL dun g00fed up stuck up their ass. -claps- Regarding the API, I honestly believe they are locking it down and shaving access, basically just dangling it to us like candy dangling on a stick string, only leaving third party devs scraps meanwhile driving up more "hype" on the so-called MAL app. Antalk said: Of all the moderators of MAL, Kineta is in our corner. I don't say this b/c we are friends. Over the years I have had opportunities to see how she conducts herself both w/ me and other members concerning different issues both good and bad. She is top notch and if you are going to call her a liar I am going to say you don't know anything about her and keep your comments to yourself until you know the full/complete picture. I wonder what was kineta's take on the "not helpful" button removed in reviews in years past. Shit hit the fan there. |
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| Horrible call deleting the fansubs information. Fansubs = a marketplace that someone isn't tapping into. And for many older anime fans it was an extremely useful source to see what shows even had subs or not. This is a database site that should provide this kind of information. Sure there's aniDB or whatever, but well if you want to keep becoming the worst DB out there then keep at it. Been years since this place had any up front user updates that were actually worthwhile. You're on a downward trend. |
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| API update turns out to be no update at all. It took about five months to bring the site to function again with no actual explanation of what's really going on. By now I highly doubt we'll get anything besides vague posts about updating us with the real issue of why this site was such a mess for nearly half a year. And lol @ the supporting the anime industry by removing the fansubs section. I'm glad I moved to anidb, that & bakabt are all I really need. This entire update is unsightly. |
Midori-tan said: API update turns out to be no update at all. It took about five months to bring the site to function again with no actual explanation of what's really going on. By now I highly doubt we'll get anything besides vague posts about updating us with the real issue of why this site was such a mess for nearly half a year. I'm not sure what these guys are doing but you had better have a functioning API before you even think of terms of use :-P |
| Talk is cheap, show me the code. Almost is not good enough. |
| Anyone knows another website to compare fansub list? This is bad... |
| Looks like another thing for add to "Daiz sin list" myanimelistllc said: Dear Users,As part of ongoing efforts to support the anime and manga industry, the Fansub Group section of the site has been removed. This is literally the worst joke which I've read in past few months. Do you really believe that anyone would believe in this lie? Support manga and anime? If you want to support it, go, buy original manga releases, figurines and other merch. Paying for CR subscription =/= supporting creators. They are receiving even less from this than artists on shitty services like spotify. And read more about CR origins. Now what? Will you force English titles? Western name order? Showing shitty, fake (aka dub) voice actors instead original on front page? Whispernight said: Anyone knows another website to compare fansub list? This is bad... Anidb has decent fansub database. But that's all. Just a database, practically without any user feedback. |
rsc-plSep 23, 2018 2:05 AM
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
-R said: You can actually still view fansub info via group pages. You can search for groups here: https://myanimelist.net/fansub-groups.php Here is a good example of a group with added projects, comments, and votes: https://myanimelist.net/fansub-groups.php?id=5977 They probably don't even know those pages exist in the first place. |
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idealtoy said: Bravo MAL. You know why? In the end, regardless of ethics, or motive, fansubs are technicaly illegal. So I fully support this move as it’s helping the industry. It’s also keeping MAL out of legal trouble.  Comeback and say it again when the shows with only fansubs have legal ways to watch outside of Japan. |
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| The most fucked up thing is when someone is busy trying to prove to us that we can't live without fansubs. Which he is part of. Okay. |
awesomenettleSep 24, 2018 12:35 AM
| Talk is cheap, show me the code. Almost is not good enough. |
cipheron said: Znajomy said: Don't really get what was wrong with fansubs section but I'll be fine without it. What's wrong with fansubs is that it's illegal to distribute copyrighted material. And MAL is trying to stay on the legit side of the law. This isn't just about Crunchyroll. MAL has been owned by Japanese company DeNA since the start of 2015, who make mobile games, some of which have been made into anime. Two examples are the Shingeki no Bahamut anime and the Hackadolls anime. Both were based on games made by DeNA, myanimelist's parent company. If fansub groups sub these series and are promoted on MAL then MAL is effectively promoting piracy of titles based on works by MAL's own parent company, as well as many of DeNA's commercial partners in Japan. Well, what else are you supposed to do when so many animes have no legal way to watch outside of Japan and thus can only be watched thru fansubs? |
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cipheron said: Myanimelist removing the fansub info from the database doesn't prevent you doing that. That is in fact completely tangential. I get that. cipheron said: The whole point was to explain why MAL did what they did. They have partners directly in Japan so they can't be undercutting them. People are still free to talk about fansubs in the forums or the like, but there just won't be any legitimizing of piracy in the database itself. Now this I see sort of I guess. cipheron said: And anyway, the argument that you need to watch stolen stuff because it's not officially release is moot. You do not if fact need to watch anything. Nothing bad actually happens if you miss out on a show. I've heard this before, bleh, my most favorite shows are all fansub-only and I don't know where I would be without them. |
DragonKnightGXSep 24, 2018 1:38 AM
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-R said: You can actually still view fansub info via group pages. You can search for groups here: https://myanimelist.net/fansub-groups.php Okay, this is indeed a fansub group, the first one I've ever seen. How do I access their translation, I mean, I can see comments like "excellent translation, speedy releases" e.t.c but where exactly are all these events happening? A lot of information is not exactly clear about that fansub group. It's not even clear whether they have produced any translations. |
awesomenettleSep 24, 2018 3:20 AM
| Talk is cheap, show me the code. Almost is not good enough. |
| Everybody crying over the fact that they removed the fansub section, while I'm here still waiting for more details on the API. Will it eventually come back? I mean it has been four months since it was disabled. Four freaking months. Asking the "support" team for updates is just like talking to a robot. Delayed and standard responses that got nothing to do with the issue. While I don't really want to leave MAL, I'm considering migrating to AniDB because of all of this. |
Lindholmaren said: >MAL catering to the pure seasonal anime watcher garbage and killing off a futureproofing feature used mostly for older or unlocalized shows in the absence of "real" subs just to cozy up to CR a tiny bit closer. Fot a while I actually believed that ~all~ features were going to be returned, you sure got me haha. I love how in 5 years as a user here, the only post you've ever made is this post. |
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