Since this is a girls-only club, I figured most girls realize that much of anime and manga that we all love unfortunately have the tendency to misrepresent females! Though that's not the case with every anime (fortunately) I thought this club might need lists if anyone ever wants to look for/avoid anime/manga! We are looking for female anime/manga characters that break stereotypes and/or are flawed, well-rounded and in-depth. Positive Portrayal of Girls in Anime/Manga Negative Portrayal of Girls in Anime/Manga Debatable Female Characters Females With No Clear Portrayal ▷ = Recently Added |
ohmystarshineJun 29, 2016 3:08 PM
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| The entire post text is now centered. There is also a recommended format of putting the anime/manga series title followed by the specific female character's name. Alphabetical groups have also been added to the post. |
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| Much as Tezuka is a great manga-ka, some of his women villains are quite... Negative portrayals in manga: Chikyuu wo Nomu- Zephyrus- Over-the-top sexy who uses that to manipulate men repeatedly. Ends up taking over the world, killing lots of people- particularly the one guy immune to her charms, also he's the father of her son, whom she treats like dirt. Meglomaniac. Ningen Konchuuki-Toshiko Tomura- Murderess, plagiarizer, manipulative. Uses people and leaves them empty, suicidal husks of themselves. And then there's Princess Sapphire from Ribbon no Kishi, a more complex yet troubling case. Yes, she can be a powerful fighter and intelligent, but 1) she's forced to live as a boy since girls can't inherit the throne, and 2) she was born with both a man's and a woman's heart, and when the man's heart is removed, she becomes a simpering weakling. |
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| Positive Portrayal of Girls in Manga: Akuma to love song - Maria Reimei no Arcana - Nakaba (maybe) Ouran High school Host Club - Haruhi (she has to dress up like a boy, and she is surrounded by boys but at least she doesn't get all 'oh~~ they are all soooo handsome <3" type of bullshit) Positive Portrayal of Girls in Anime: Romeo x Juliet - Juliet Negative portrayal of Girls in Anime: High school of the Dead - basically every girl in the show Itazura na kiss - Kotoko Negative portrayal of Girls in Manga: Sora wa Akai Kawa no Hotori - Yuri Black Bird - Misao |
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| Positive Portrayal of Girls in Anime: Basically this list -> http://goboiano.com/list/2588-42-characters-that-prove-how-badass-women-are-in-anime |
Jam said: +1Don't forget Chihiro from Spirited Away :D Seltativ said: Gonna list the ones I know with explanations no one asked for:Positive Portrayal of Girls in Anime: Basically this list -> http://goboiano.com/list/2588-42-characters-that-prove-how-badass-women-are-in-anime |
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mshehana said: Jam said: +1Don't forget Chihiro from Spirited Away :D Seltativ said: Gonna list the ones I know with explanations no one asked for:Positive Portrayal of Girls in Anime: Basically this list -> http://goboiano.com/list/2588-42-characters-that-prove-how-badass-women-are-in-anime +10,000 I think a lot of magical girls can be viewed in a positive light, as well as most, if not all, female leads in Studio Ghibli movies. |
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| I'd like to suggest Lenalee Lee for negative portrayals in anime/manga, and it should be obvious to anyone else who's watched or read DGM why I am o v o If I get into my reasoning then we'll be here all day lmao. |
| Positive Portrayal of Girls in Anime Kiki's Delivery Service - Kiki Usagi Drop - Rin Kaga Revolutionary Girl Utena - Utena Tenjou Negative Portrayal of Girls in Anime Speed Grapher - Shinsen, Ginza, Kaoru (almost every female character in this show) |
coromandelNov 4, 2015 2:00 PM
| [size=90]Negative portrayal of a female character...I'd say...Mikasa Ackerman from SnK. People think she's a really powerful female character just because she is...well...powerful...physically and "badass", but she's pretty vapid personality-wise and her only role throughout the whole series is to basically serve Eren. Asuna and any girl from Sword Art Online....sorry. Positive portrayal of a female character: Princess Mononoke and Aida Riko from KnB, and Sailor Uranus & Sailor Neptune from Sailor Moon. |
TongueNov 5, 2015 10:08 PM
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| Since there seems to be some debate for some of these characters, mainly Mikasa Ackerman from Shingeki no Kyojin, should I put a category where these characters can be further discussed until a verdict about where they should go on the list is reached? Also, if a character appears both in an anime and manga, where should the character be put? P.S. Sorry it's taking me so long to update this list! |
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Maka said: Since there seems to be some debate for some of these characters, mainly Mikasa Ackerman from Shingeki no Kyojin, should I put a category where these characters can be further discussed until a verdict about where they should go on the list is reached? Yeah, why not. Personally, I think Mikasa is a great female character. She's strong and fearless, and is trying to protect those she loves. She is never portrayed as being inferior to Eren. She protects him when he cannot protect himself. She is also someone the other (male) cadets look up to. Entirely positive, imo. Maka said: Also, if a character appears both in an anime and manga, where should the character be put? I'd put them in both sections. |
coromandelNov 8, 2015 11:11 AM
kawaiipapa said: [size=90]Negative portrayal of a female character...I'd say...Mikasa Ackerman from SnK. People think she's a really powerful female character just because she is...well...powerful...physically and "badass", but she's pretty vapid personality-wise and her only role throughout the whole series is to basically serve Eren. Gurl you high? The SnK universe overall does not discriminate against women and Mikasa is a very powerful female character who exceeds all expectations. Never saw any male character comment on her gender either and she has solid qualities which are portrayed to be positive. Anyways Makise Kurisu - without her our male MC would not have survived the whole 'ordeal'. She is portrayed as a prodigy and a very understanding and endearing character. |
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| Negative light: Diabolik Lovers - do I even need to start? 1. Women don't enjoy rape. 2. There is nothing great about assault. 3. Even if you're handsome, when she means NO she means NO. 4. Women are not that weak neither are they dumb, your wishy washy backstory does not give you the right to have your way with her (the MC disagrees). |
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667b said: Negative light: Diabolik Lovers - do I even need to start? 1. Women don't enjoy rape. 2. There is nothing great about assault. 3. Even if you're handsome, when she means NO she means NO. 4. Women are not that weak neither are they dumb, your wishy washy backstory does not give you the right to have your way with her (the MC disagrees). As negative as the anime might be, I don't think Yui, is it?, is in anyway a negative portrayal herself. As for Mikasa from AoT, I'm not sure. Of course all the females in AoT are strong and what not but I kinda feel like Mikasa is almost dependent on Eren? Or at least too attached. Kinda feel like it shows that girls need to have a boy to be there for and what not. Just my opinion, though. I feel as if she has both positives and negatives about her. Kinda hard to place her in a category. I saw someone mention Sailor Moon, and I don't know if you mean Sailor Moon specifically or all the girls but IMO Sailor Moon herself is a crybaby, she is weak compared to the other girls, and she is very dependent on Tuxedo Mask, not to mention she is very lazy and terrible in school - and this is coming from someone who loves the series. I grew up watching it and now that I'm rewatching it so I can watch SM Crystal I'm noticing just how terrible of a scout she is compared to the rest. Does she have her moments when she steps up? Yes, but not often enough to be put in a positive portrayal category. |
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| my definition of positive would be girls who retain their feminity yet show they can be independent(badass girls don't necessarily cut it) so... Matsurika - Aoki Umi no Toraware Hime Lydia- Hakushaku to Yousei Ran - Detective Conan Aoko - Magic Kaito Tsukumo - Karneval Anis - Barajou no Kiss(or any main girl from Shouoto Aya's works?) Lys - Hanatsuki Hime Karin - Kamichama Karin Falis - Murder Princess Alita - Murder Princess Kako - Mishounen Produce Hinaki - Kusuriyubi Hime Haine - Shinshi Doumei Cross Tamae - Mamacolle Kanade - Mekakushi no Kuni Victorique - Gosick badass girls I'm not sure of but more or less.. Touka - Tokyo Ghoul Rosette - Chrno Crusade Lady - Devil May Cry Trish - Devil May Cry Tifa - Final Fantasy VII Kurisu - Steins;Gate Mikasa - Shingeki no Kyojin negative light: main girl from Basilisk no Musume. she gets fcked the whole story while being 'strong' which is ttly negative imo. |
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Arrilou said: 667b said: Negative light: Diabolik Lovers - do I even need to start? 1. Women don't enjoy rape. 2. There is nothing great about assault. 3. Even if you're handsome, when she means NO she means NO. 4. Women are not that weak neither are they dumb, your wishy washy backstory does not give you the right to have your way with her (the MC disagrees). As negative as the anime might be, I don't think Yui, is it?, is in anyway a negative portrayal herself. I agree with 667b here, Yui should definitely be on that list.. There are few animes worse than Diabolic Lovers when it comes to feminism / portraying girls in a bad way. |
coromandel said: Negative Portrayal of Girls in Anime Speed Grapher - Shinsen, Ginza, Kaoru (almost every female character in this show) I guess I should explain these: Ginza: A corrupt, violent police woman. She is obsessed with the MC and rapes him every now and then. Kaoru / Lady Diamond: A materialistic woman who has the power to transform her body into a diamond. Her husband gave her diamonds to make her happy, but hung himself after taking out an insurance policy. Since then she became obsessed with making her body into a shining monument of his love for her. Shinsen: After her fiancé left her, she became bitter and resentful towards their daughter Kaguya. She's abusive and downright cruel to Kaguya, and only cares about money and sex. The female MC Kaguya is also super naive and dependant, and there are Prostitutes in a lot of episodes. |
coromandel said: Arrilou said: As negative as the anime might be, I don't think Yui, is it?, is in anyway a negative portrayal herself. I agree with 667b here, Yui should definitely be on that list.. There are few animes worse than Diabolic Lovers when it comes to feminism / portraying girls in a bad way. I agree that the anime is very negative but it seems that people are listing off individual females from anime, not an entire anime itself, and I don't believe Yui is a negative portrayal of a girl at all. Is she put in a bad situation? Yes, but she's very confused at first and doesn't even have a clue as to where her father is and she tries to get to know the boys even though they're bad, she tries to see the good in them (although I haven't watched this in ages so sorry if I'm wrong) but that to me seems like she has some good qualities, but I definitely think a "debatable characters" list should be made and she should fall under there for the time being. |
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coromandel said: She wants to protect the last family member she has. I haven't read it recently but I remember she almost gave up and let the titan have her when she, knowing eren may be dead, decided to live anyway. So se not completely in servitude. The fact she has both a negative and positive light is good. If we can't decide lets just say she complex and well-written. A doog one from aot might be Sasha Braus, a hunter gal who made it into the top ten of her class.Personally, I think Mikasa is a great female character. She's strong and fearless, and is trying to protect those she loves. She is never portrayed as being inferior to Eren. She protects him when he cannot protect himself. She is also someone the other (male) cadets look up to. Entirely positive, imo. I don't think ladies who are crybabyish and weak should be considered bad role models. Also Alex Benedetto. :D |
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mshehana said: I don't think ladies who are crybabyish and weak should be considered bad role models. Considering that girls are told by society that we are weaker compared to men (and pretty much inferior in just about every aspect), I still stand by her being a negative portrayal of girls. She's a crybaby, weak, lazy, awful at school, and depends on a boy way too much while NONE of the other girls are like this. If it was only one or two of those things or at least showed her overcoming them and showing everyone that she can't be labeled and that she can step up to any task given to her then I think I'd be fine in seeing her as a positive portrayal 'cause everyone is going to have their flaws but they gave her way to many flaws IMO and (as far as I've gotten in the series which is almost about halfway maybe, idk) she hasn't shown any kind of improvement. |
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Maka: I have updated the lists as well as put it in a new format, please let me know what you think~ There is now a list for debatable characters. Check it out as well as the newly updated lists~ If a character is questionable to you, feel free to explain why in a comment and we can move it over to "debatable" |
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Arrilou said: coromandel said: I agree with 667b here, Yui should definitely be on that list.. There are few animes worse than Diabolic Lovers when it comes to feminism / portraying girls in a bad way. I agree that the anime is very negative but it seems that people are listing off individual females from anime, not an entire anime itself, and I don't believe Yui is a negative portrayal of a girl at all. Is she put in a bad situation? Yes, but she's very confused at first and doesn't even have a clue as to where her father is and she tries to get to know the boys even though they're bad, she tries to see the good in them (although I haven't watched this in ages so sorry if I'm wrong) but that to me seems like she has some good qualities, but I definitely think a "debatable characters" list should be made and she should fall under there for the time being. The thread title says "list of anime & manga that portrays girls in a positive/negative light". Now, it's true that Yui herself doesn't have super bad character traits herself (although she's rather weak - but that is not my point). She is shown as this girl the vampires can just "take" whenever they want. Correct me if I'm wrong - it's been a while that I've seen it - but one of them even calls her "b*tch" several times and she endures it.. The whole show is called "lovers", when they're really just violating her. So I do think she is being portrayed in a negative way. |
Arrilou said: mshehana said: I don't think ladies who are crybabyish and weak should be considered bad role models. Considering that girls are told by society that we are weaker compared to men (and pretty much inferior in just about every aspect), I still stand by her being a negative portrayal of girls. She's a crybaby, weak, lazy, awful at school, and depends on a boy way too much while NONE of the other girls are like this. If it was only one or two of those things or at least showed her overcoming them and showing everyone that she can't be labeled and that she can step up to any task given to her then I think I'd be fine in seeing her as a positive portrayal 'cause everyone is going to have their flaws but they gave her way to many flaws IMO and (as far as I've gotten in the series which is almost about halfway maybe, idk) she hasn't shown any kind of improvement. I agree. It's been a long while since I've seen the original Sailor Moon series, but I was shocked when I saw Usagi in Sailor Moon Crystal. My main grip with her would be her helplessness and how she always depends on Tuxedo Mask. The lazy part is also true. Phraze said: Touka - Tokyo Ghoul Rosette - Chrno Crusade Lady - Devil May Cry Trish - Devil May Cry Tifa - Final Fantasy VII Kurisu - Steins;Gate Mikasa - Shingeki no Kyojin Why Touka and Mikasa? |
coromandelNov 9, 2015 1:03 AM
LittleDarling said: I am curious why Homura Akemi and Asuna Yuuki are on the debatable list? ^^ I have mixed feelings about Homura. Yeah, she's strong, but that doesn't make her a positive influence, IMO. She's like two different people between the series and the last movie. Gotta do some thinking on that one, but anyone is free to share their opinion. I meant to ask @papa why she thought Asuna was a negative portrayal. I might have an idea why, but I'd like to hear her reasoning. coromandel said: Phraze said: Touka - Tokyo Ghoul Rosette - Chrno Crusade Lady - Devil May Cry Trish - Devil May Cry Tifa - Final Fantasy VII Kurisu - Steins;Gate Mikasa - Shingeki no Kyojin Why Touka and Mikasa? I'd like to know about Touka as well. There are already a few arguments for Mikasa, but I'd like to hear your reasoning, too. Also, more opinions on Yui from Diabolik Lovers would be nice. |
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| [size=90]Wow okay I guess this whole Mikasa thing blew up. Okay maybe I shouldn't have said to put her on the negative list, my bad. But I don't regard her has an overall positive female character because the main thing she has going for her is that she is physically strong (which is great) and while Eren is her only living family member, I feel that her whole existence/role in the series completely revolves around him. Without him, she wouldn't be her own character. Her motives are fueled purely by the fact that Eren is still alive and also...a lot of her thought process, character development and her moral compass, are results of Eren's words and actions influencing her. She basically follows him around and complies to most of his decisions. If anything, she just seems like an obedient bodyguard rather than a sister-figure. Both protect the people they want to protect, but the latter is more character-defining. But at the same time I can't vouch for her character development in the manga because I stopped reading the manga. From the anime alone, this is what I gathered and to me, she's just a fun female character who's really strong. I just find it annoying that here we have Eren, the main protagonist whose main motives are fueled by revenge and doesn't really stop and think that Mikasa is his only family member and that maybe the both of them should live to protect each other...instead it's Eren going apeshit about exterminating all Titans and Mikasa's the only one who's looking out for the both of them. Also to note that Mikasa cut her long hair bc Eren commented on it.... She just doesn't seem to be her own girl for me. I find Yui in Diabolik Lovers to be a negative female character because...well she's very vapid in personality and I feel like the more vapid she is, the better it is for the anime as usually reverse-harem series based off of otome games are for female audiences to be able to place themselves inside the fem. protagonist's role. I mean yes, she's a high school girl so it makes sense she's powerless against a large group of vampire boys...but the fact that they terrorize her, abuse her physically, mentally and verbally but she STILL is later okay with that...? That's fucked up. Like just think of this scenario. She's a young girl who arrives at a place full of strangers. They all basically take turns sexually harassing and abusing her (she might as well have been gang raped) and she gives up fighting them. She lets them physically and verbally abuse her. And then she basically sits down and wants to be friends with her abusers. It might be more acceptable if vampires overpowering is awaking her sexuality and she enjoys being abused...because I mean some females like that. Like it could be a form of sexual release and desire but that is not the case at all with this crazy ass girl. As for my thoughts on Asuna from Sword Art Online...again we see a "powerful" female character but her role compared to Kirito is completely overshadowed and she just becomes his in-game waifu. I don't really see her doing much independently. And then later she gets kidnapped by some creepy motherfucker and is put in a cage like a fragile little bird, and her only means of escape is to be rescued by Kirito. The only ounce of of independence I saw of Asuna was from one small arc in the second season where she befriends a terminally ill character. And for once, her life did not revolve around Kirito. But even in the second season, she got reduced to a secondary character while Kirito got to become another overpowered protagonist. In fact, another girl pretty much replaced her role and became a potential love interest of Kirito. I just feel like lots of people see a girl character who can fight or can wield a sword and automatically think she's a great female protagonist who can fend for herself. But it's not all about physical strength. It's also got a lot to do with emotional strength in regards to relationships with other characters. It's okay for a female character to be attached to a male character for any reason, but that attachment/relationship can't be the only thing that defines her character. Sorry for long rant. ;___; that's just my thought on these characters. |
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Arrilou said: coromandel said: Why Touka and Mikasa? I'd like to know about Touka as well. There are already a few arguments for Mikasa, but I'd like to hear your reasoning, too. Also, more opinions on Yui from Diabolik Lovers would be nice. Mikasa and Touka are similar so talking about Mikasa made me remember to add her xD On a serious note, they are characters I feel are more towards positive. They're girls but in their world they're strong-willed and can make their own decisions. Even if Mikasa has Eren as her tiepost it's a normal thing I guess....every human has someone important to them.. Touka has her frustrations and all, like with her human friend, but she doesn't whine about them. They're both positive portrayals imo. Just because they're OP don't make them negative to me, so long as they can make their own decisions without hiding behind someone... and we're not doing a like/dislike list here o3o as for Diabolik Lovers girl. she sounds debatable to me. it's not like she's rejecting the abuse and getting it. that I would consider a negative portrayal - showing how helpless a girl's will is. |
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| @papa These discussions are really good, though. I honestly like seeing everyone's point of view on these things. Mikasa I agree with papa on this one. She is definitely a badass character, but badass or physically strong does not always mean positive influence. Take Hana from Wolf Children. She's not physically strong or a badass. She is strong in the sense that life has thrown her quite the curve ball and she never gives up. She keeps going and gives everything her all and is always trying to stay positive. I absolutely love that. Anyway, back to Mikasa. Well, actually, I really don't have more to say. I think papa did a really good job at summing up how I feel. Again, the anime does a great job representing females and making them strong characters who are able to fight along side the men but Mikasa is another story. Yui Ah man, I'm still torn on this one, lol. I completely understand where everyone is coming from, and while I agree the anime overall is negative, I still don't think Yui herself is negative. Let me ask everyone this: what would you do if thrown into a household full of vampire boys? I know, we all wanna say kick some ass, but let's be real here. We'd be defenseless. There wouldn't be anything we could do. They're vampires, meaning they're stronger than us, faster than us, and even if we sneak out while they're asleep they're going to be able to track our scent and go after us. Face it, we'd all be in the same boat as Yui is in. Therefore, as negative as the anime might be, I can't exactly view Yui herself as negative because there's literally nothing she can do given the situation. Also, I do feel as if she tries to make the best of a terrible situation. She tries to learn about the boys and tries to get to know them and even cares for them. For instance, when one was sitting on the ledge of the second floor balcony she wanted him to be careful because she didn't want him to fall and get hurt. IMO, I feel like she does her best to be positive and to be a part of this new life of hers. We can see that she is scared (honestly, who wouldn't be??) but instead of just sitting around crying all the time she tries to get to know them. I mean, if that was me, I'd probably just try to stay the hell away from them and wouldn't even bother trying to get to know them at all and would cry myself to sleep every night trying to think of how the hell to get out of it. Again, I can definitely see everyone's side to this and everyone has made some really good points, but this is just how I feel. Guess I just like trying to find the positives in a situation sometimes, lol. Asuna Papa, totally saw some of those reasons coming. I haven't seen the second season of SAO to know how she is in that, but in the first season I do believe she was very strong and independent, then she got married to Kirito and kinda turned into a damsel in distress and I feel like she could no longer fend for herself. Not much more I really have to say on that. Again, papa did a good job taking the words from my mouth. Touka She does care about Kaneki and want to help him, but she also cares about Hinami and the rest of Anteiku as well. She also doesn't just sit around and mope over a boy. Nope. She takes all that mopey-ness and channels it into studying and getting into college. And I know someone might mention "well it was the same college Kaneki went to" and you're right, but it's not like she did something as dumb as joining Aogiri to be with Kaneki. She pushed herself to do something worthwhile. And honestly, think about how that impacts Hinami. She's setting a good example. I think she's positive. |
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| Oh my gosh, @Arrilou thank you! I've been extremely busy and was not able to fully update the list, but the way you formatted it was great! For the debate (this isn't final just because I created the topic): Asuna: She's strong at first, but then slowly devolves into needing Kirito to save her and becomes a tsundere. Her extreme helplessness and how she needs to be saved in the Elfheim part makes this clear Asuna should be on the negative list. Homura: Even though she's quite problematic and I find her an over-glorified character for her obsession over Madoka, I don't think she is portayed negatively in the way most females are negatively portrayed. I don't think she's a positive role model either though, so this one is quit conflicting for me. Mikasa: Probably the most debated-over "feminist" anime character in the recent years, Mikasa is difficult because while she is strong, she is only strong for Eren. I have many personal gripes with Mikasa because she only seems to care about Eren, and not even Armin as much. She is so fixated on Eren that she becomes too one-sided for me to honestly enjoy as a character. I would tentatively put her on the positive list because of how strong she is and how she is definitely recognized for being strong. EDIT: After thinking it over, there are other positve portrayals of girls in SnK that do not obsess over one person, so I'm going to change my answer and put her on the negative list. Touka: I actually am not sure why Touka is debated over, I think she is shown strong but also is very in touch with her emotions. I have only seen the anime though and am not that invested in Tokyo Ghoul so that might be it. Needless to say, I vote she goes on the positive list. Yui: This is a case where I feel like the show itself actually reflects it's view of woman and the rapey tones the show gives. I am all for portrayed weak female characters positively, but I just don't feel like Diabolik Lovers did that. I vote negative list. Now that that is out of the way, I'm going to add Uryuu Minene and Iwakura Lain to the positive list and adding Chii from Chobits to the negative list! I'd also like to ask what people think about Gasai Yuno, since she is bound to come up eventually. Thank you everyone for contributing! I was also thinking about looking up some articles that list anime that has good/bad female portrayal and posting them here, so people could discuss if the articles' claims are true or not? I feel like it could greatly help improve the list but I am open to objections! |
MakaNov 23, 2015 1:57 PM
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| [size=90]Yup, I do agree with Maka about Mikasa being way too weirdly fixated on Eren. It's like she is obsessed with Eren in a way. It's kind of disturbing how blindly she goes after him and gives no shits about Armin even though they're childhood friends. Also idk how many have you been watching the new junior high school titan show, but from like the couple episodes I watched of it, I saw Mikasa pursuing Eren as a love interest? Was I seeing things? Idek it was weird. As for more on Yui...idk it's like a case of Stockholm Syndrome kind of. The way I see it is that the creators made her so vapid that any "nice" traits she has are unappreciable (well to me). Like her ability to be understanding and forgiving. I think just the fact that she has such little character development or even much character to her at all, she doesn't stand as a good character let alone a good female character. She is almost worst than the female protagonist of Amnesia. Comes very close, but I'd have to say the chick from Amnesia is the worst ever. :c My thoughts on Touka from Tokyo Ghoul is that I actually respect her more as a positive female character more than Mikasa because Touka has her flaws and she is aware of her weaknesses, so she tries to act on them and try to improve herself. She worries about Kaneki as a friend, but her relationship with Kaneki doesn't define her role. She very much does her own thing. She chooses to do the things that she does (work at Anteiku, go to school, be friends with humans, pursue revenge, etc.) based on her own desires. Although I think Touka in the first half of the series (I'm talking more of the manga) is more powerful than how she is later on. Her relationship with her brother is also a whole story on its own and if need be, I think Touka could make for a well developed main character of her own world. I just appreciate that although the people she cares deeply about such as her brother and Kaneki go off and do their own thing, she doesn't blindly try to follow them or be with them. She chooses what's best for herself and stays where she thinks she is most needed, but at the same time she knows when to step up and help out her friends. And I think she equally cares about everyone rather than being fixated on Kaneki (which could be very easy to do). I even like Akira's character as an independent female character who's trying to pave her own way as an investigator and not trying to fall into the footsteps of her father or partner. I forgot to mention my thoughts on Usagi from Sailor Moon. I don't think there's anything weak or negative about her being a crybaby and a ditsy moron. A lot of girls are emotionally sensitive and whiny and lots of girls aren't good at school, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they can't be empowering as females. If anything, I find Usagi to be more realistic as a girl character than a lot of shoujo protagonists. Though Usagi can be annoying as fuck, she has her flaws but despite that, she can become a magical princess soldier and fight evil. I know a lot of people think she can't be considered a positive fem. character because she always gets saved by Tuxedo Mask. But I don't really find this a huge problem because although the sailor scouts get into pinches, it shows that sometimes they just need outside help. And it's not always just Tuxdeo Mask who happens to save them in time but that role is also allotted to the outer senshi characters who step in to do the same exact thing. Not to mention that the sailor scouts have helped Tuxedo Mask multiple times and have had to save his ass in order for him to live. I know I nominated Sailor Uranus and Neptune for the girl positive list, but actually almost all of the sailor scouts could belong on there. Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Venus, and also Pluto. Overall, Sailor Moon as a series is unusually girl positive. It kind of doesn't look like it what with how much Tuxedo Mask becomes a focus of Sailor Moon's attention, but the whole series rides on the theme of love. Not only girl-boy love, but love among friends who are girls and love between girls. Everyone looks out for each other. Though god, I cannot stand the new Sailor Moon Crystal anime. </3 |
TongueNov 9, 2015 8:17 PM
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| I really don't have anything else to say on the first three, lots of things have been said already, but as for Sailor Moon... She is a very realistic character, but look at how many flaws they gave her compared to the others and honestly for how far I am into the series I'm seeing no character development whatsoever. Trust me, I absolutely love the series, I grew up with Sailor Moon, but rewatching it now has made me see a lot of negatives in Sailor Moon herself. She's kind of a bad role model. Her performance at school is low, and I know not everyone is great at school, I shouldn't have said bad at school, that was the wrong choice of words, but she chooses to be lazy and not study or do homework or what not which I think sets a terrible example for the younger viewers. She is also way too dependent on Tuxedo Mask. She never wants to get her poop in a group during a battle til he has to show up and throw a frickin' rose at the villains. She has some kick ass magic and what does she do? Run around like an idiot acting like it's her first battle until Tuxedo Mask can show up to throw a damn rose and say "you can do it Sailor Moon!" Like, come on. None of the other girls do that. (Sorry, starting to get into a rant now XD) Anyway, as much as I love the series, she is the only one I can't view as positive. She's realistic which can make her very relatable to some, but she's a terrible role model and way to attached to a boy. I might even go as far as to say she's more of a damsel in distress than a sailor scout. I mean, I can honestly see why they had an episode of the other girls wanting to make Sailor Mars the leader, Moon just doesn't cut it. I forgot to add this last night, but society sees woman as emotional and that we cry and complain a lot, like Sailor Moon, and it's very negative because if I guy was to act in such a way then he'd be called out on it and told he's acting like a girl or being feminine and it's very negative. Also, as for Homura, I've decided that to me she is negative. She's very selfish in the fact that she tries to keep Madoka from becoming the goddess (or whatever the specific term they use is) because she wants Madoka around forever. To some I'm sure that might seem nice and that she's just being a good friend and protective of Madoka, but how many times does she skip from timeline to timeline to do so? Plus, as I mentioned, she's only doing it because she herself doesn't want to lose Madoka. She's being very selfish, especially if you take a look at the third movie where it ends with her throwing everyone into what she wants reality to be which is having Madoka around. It's very selfish because she's only doing what she wants, she doesn't take anyone else's feelings into account. She only cares about being with Madoka. I feel like if she was a good friend she would've let Madoka do what she felt was right and let her make her own choices instead of jumping from timeline to timeline just to try to keep Madoka around for herself. Now, I don't really know if this is a negative portrayal of women in anime, but I don't really view her positively, but everyone's free to share what they think. |
ohmystarshineNov 10, 2015 10:36 AM
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| @ Arrilou, coro, papa Coro and papa have made legit points. Now let's add to that: I feel that DL is an insult towards both genders lol but anyways. Yui? She is the epitome of extreme Stockholm syndrome. A severe plain clueless masochist who tries to befriend the very men who have given her nothing but pain. She has been passed around more ways than one; either being claimed as property or some ragged doll, a meaningless object in a sense. Physical and verbal abuse is a daily occurrence for her. Never has she asked for an explanation, the only dialogue that is ever exchanged is when she's being plowed or pounced on. Confusion and being scared is one thing, dialogue is another. Even her thought process doesn't inform the viewers if the girl has ever considered changing her situation. Another thing I loathe is how she easily takes pity on her captors, I feel unintentional emotional blackmail is always prevalent and she seems to easily fall in the trap. You can't take sympathy on every MAN who you KNOW is gonna suck the living blood out of you and then some. She's been fooled by at least 8 men and more AND COUNTING. All the above can be questionable when it comes to s1 and Yui, but all the above HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED IN S2. Captured by another set of vampire gentlemen, I feel Yui has been gagged down EVEN MORE THAN USUAL just so the audience can get an eyeful of the vampires. The show has even depicted flashbacks of these vampires to make us feel sorry and justify Yui's situation with those oh so poor bloodsuckers. The show has tried to make the new men a bit more friendly but the abuse exists! You can't grow a liking to hypocrites and especially can't grow a liking to an MC who herself has not shown even a bit of potential growth in all her encounters. |
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| Alright, I will move Yui over to the negative list later on this morning when I'm not on from my phone. We can go ahead and finish up some of the other discussions we have going now~ |
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| @667b I didn't want to say anything because I've never seen the anime, but I was definitely thinking 'Stockholm syndrome'. The way I see it seems Yui might be a horrible portrayal for the ladies. Giving second/third chances for men is nothing but asking for abusive relationship. I don't want women to think that's ok to be a doormat. Maybe be a bitch or whatever but never a doormat. :I chesschase said: I hope you don't mind I used google translate - _ - but yes you can!duss.. how this works ? I can just call character ? Because if yes , then I have a few : 3 |
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| I guess Mikasa can be left debatable..or neutral. she IS portrayed more as a man than a girl tbh lol Touka was portrayed as a girl who's strong so, positive. Asuna is more of negative since the representation of a strong girl isn't there at all. just a hot chick who kicks ass and whines from time to time. Diabolik Lovers girl rly sound hateful to me(reminds me of Yuuki Cross) but she wasn't portrayed negatively or positively, she was more of a plot device to make a story so.... Sailor Moon girls are all positive. they rely on people but can think as themselves. also, my idea of a positive portrayal is whether the girls can....show the world being a girl doesn't make them less important, like they won't be overshadowed by a main guy or smt. |
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| [size=90]Yes yes I agree with 667b~ So while we're at it...we should add this chick to the negative list. She is the protagonist of Amnesia and of all the heroines for reverse-harem anime, she is probably by far the worst in anything. She is even more vapid than Yui...partly because she has amnesia throughout the whole damn series but her responses to anything her demanding male counterparts say to her are just like "Huh?", "O-oh" , "B-but!" and "Okay" and her staring down at the ground or at her feet stupidly. She is the epitome of weak-willed and she rarely does anything to take hold of her current life situation, which is...having goddamn amnesia. At one point the main guy in the story locks her up in a fucking cage over night bc he wants her to himself and like pretty much assaults her. And this one dude who's like actually in love with her is psychotic and kills her a bajillion times. Idc how hot the bishies are, this show was a mess. A possible positive fem character I'd like to nominate is Chihaya from Chihayafuru who is a character that exhibits passion and love for something and she gives no fucks about what other people think of her and she does what she thinks is best. She doesn't rely on any male companions to define her character and really what I love about the series is that Chihaya is fixated on her passion for karuta that her focus on high school love is overshadowed by it. |
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| @papa Added Heroine and Chihaya to their respective lists~ @chesschase Are these positive or negative ladies in anime? Also, make sure you're checking the list, a couple of those are already up there~ |
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AnnaSartinNov 21, 2015 5:02 PM
| @AnnaSartin I'm curious as to why Sakaki positive and Anthy negative? Sakaki is not really a positive or negative portrayal in my opinion. There are many female characters that are not portrayed negatively but do not have any strong connotations with being a character that defies stereotypes or is written so that she is a well-rounded and in-depth. Like Azumanga Daioh, K-on is full of female characters and do not talk to the other gender much, or provide any evidence that they go beyond stereotypes often portrayed in anime. I consider both of these shows' characters to not be applicable to this list. Edit: I am going to take Touka off the debatable list and onto the positive list because there is almost a full agreement she should be there. Edit Edit: I am suggesting Haruka Ozawa from Shinrei Tantei Yakumo and Tiz and Karim from Jyu Oh Sei to be put on the negative list. |
MakaNov 12, 2015 6:38 PM
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| Positive: Saki Watanabe - Shinsekai yori Hana Morenos - Michiko to Hatchin Negative: Nana Komatsu - Nana Hannah Anafeloz - Kuroshitsuji II Eva Heinemann - Monster Mika Harima - Durarara!! |
| Positive: Oscar François de Jarjeyes Youko Nakajima I also don't see how Usagi is debatable. She always rises above every challenge that comes her way, would give an arm and a leg to protect her friends and she gets her fair share of character development throughout the series. She is a great female character. I don't think that her being a teenage girl with a crush makes her any less eligible for the list. Also, I don't think it's true Tuxedo Mask is always rescuing her. In fact, it's the other way around. Who gets kidnapped and brainwashed into being evil in the first arc? Tuxedo Mask. Who rescues him and defeats Queen Beryl? Usagi. Who gets kidnapped in the first Sailor Moon movie? Tuxedo Mask. Who rescues him? Usagi. Who gets kidnapped by the evil version of his own daughter? Tuxedo Mask. Who gets taken from Galaxia? Tuxedo Mask. Usagi is the hero who always goes to the rescue of her friends and her lover. It is true she has a crybaby personality and depends on those around her sometimes, but at the end of the day she is a very strong and dependable woman who can get the job done on her own when she needs to. |
UsagiNov 13, 2015 3:08 AM
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Maka said: @AnnaSartin I'm curious as to why Sakaki positive and Anthy negative? Sakaki is not really a positive or negative portrayal in my opinion. There are many female characters that are not portrayed negatively but do not have any strong connotations with being a character that defies stereotypes or is written so that she is a well-rounded and in-depth. Like Azumanga Daioh, K-on is full of female characters and do not talk to the other gender much, or provide any evidence that they go beyond stereotypes often portrayed in anime. I consider both of these shows' characters to not be applicable to this list. I consider Sakaki positive because she balances being cool and athletic without sacrificing her feminine attributes (love of animals and cute things). Too many people are led to believe you have to be feminine OR masculine, not both. Lesbians and female superheros sometimes get a pass on this but regular girls leading ordinary lives often do not. Add Sakaki's goal of becoming a veterinarian- which she had been admitted into college for at the end of the series- and moving into her own place with the orphaned Iriomote cat she adopted and I think her positive example for girls is one worth noting. Although she is athletic, she didn't become an athlete. Although she loves cute things, she didn't pursue a career in something shallow and superficial like designing fashionable coats for poodles. This motivated young woman is using her BRAIN pursuing a medical degree to help animals and I think that's awesome. Sakaki shows if you work hard and do your best it's okay to be yourself and live the life your heart desires. Regarding Anthy, although I don't hate her character I believe she is a terrible example for young women. She plays the "battered woman" role (which we later learn is to manipulate others, making people like Saionji obsess over her and people like Utena feel they have to rescue a damsel in distress), allows herself to be manipulated by her brother and engages in inappropriate sexual relations with him and after Utena spends the entire series busting her ass trying to help her, Anthy (literally) stabs her in the back and leads her to be run through with swords... all because a man told her to. Do I recognise that she wanted to save her brother? Yes. Do I applaud the fact that she finally leaves at the end? Yes, but her actions are a day late and a dollar short in my opinion. While she's not the worst person in the world, I can scarcely think of a worse role model for young girls. To make it sadder, Utena is an excellent role model for most of the series and her end was quite tragic. I don't deny that Anthy has a complex personality, but her personality is not a good one. The "I did it because it's what the man I love wanted" stereotype is very old and very obnoxious, and the "manipulative bitch pretending to be a marauder" trope is also overused. |
AnnaSartinNov 13, 2015 8:39 AM
| @Usagi Sailor Moon is very debatable. I mean, any character can be debatable since everyone has their own opinions, most of the time everyone happens to agree, but then there will be times, like this, when some will have opinions that oppose others. If you haven't seen my argument for her being negative (which I don't blame you 'cause there are loads of long paragraphs on this page lol) then here it is (and this is in response to someone else): Arrilou said: I really don't have anything else to say on the first three, lots of things have been said already, but as for Sailor Moon... She is a very realistic character, but look at how many flaws they gave her compared to the others and honestly for how far I am into the series I'm seeing no character development whatsoever. Trust me, I absolutely love the series, I grew up with Sailor Moon, but rewatching it now has made me see a lot of negatives in Sailor Moon herself. She's kind of a bad role model. Her performance at school is low, and I know not everyone is great at school, I shouldn't have said bad at school, that was the wrong choice of words, but she chooses to be lazy and not study or do homework or what not which I think sets a terrible example for the younger viewers. She is also way too dependent on Tuxedo Mask. She never wants to get her poop in a group during a battle til he has to show up and throw a frickin' rose at the villains. She has some kick ass magic and what does she do? Run around like an idiot acting like it's her first battle until Tuxedo Mask can show up to throw a damn rose and say "you can do it Sailor Moon!" Like, come on. None of the other girls do that. (Sorry, starting to get into a rant now XD) Anyway, as much as I love the series, she is the only one I can't view as positive. She's realistic which can make her very relatable to some, but she's a terrible role model and way to attached to a boy. I might even go as far as to say she's more of a damsel in distress than a sailor scout. I mean, I can honestly see why they had an episode of the other girls wanting to make Sailor Mars the leader, Moon just doesn't cut it. I forgot to add this last night, but society sees woman as emotional and that we cry and complain a lot, like Sailor Moon, and it's very negative because if I guy was to act in such a way then he'd be called out on it and told he's acting like a girl or being feminine and it's very negative. Recommendations have been added up to this point |
ohmystarshineNov 13, 2015 11:02 AM
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