Kowabon Episode 1 Discussion

raveninthemuddle said:

Another fake rotoscoping. Just face it you'll never see real, competent rotoscoping from anime, because it's all about cost saving and efficiency. But this time they have the perfect excuse for the low frame rate because they are on Skype, far more accurate than that of in the crowd pleaser The Visit. And then it has every horror clichés and tropes you can imagine, just like Kagewani. And what's the point of putting the audience in first person's perspective if the characters don't act realistically or genuinely?

Lockensocke said:


What do you mean with fake rotoscoping?
Definition of rotoscoping: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping
Which simply says that if you take live action footage and re-draw it frame by frame. Since they showed the live action footage at the end, they probably worked with it.
And "frame rate" is a completely incorrect term when speaking about anime. EVERY anime is made with 24 frames per seconds, there is no rate where it drops or gets higher, that’s only in videogames. Sure they use the same picture for multiple frames, but that’s a process called "Limited animation" and is used even in Disney movies, where you have probably the best animation when it comes to animated media.
"Every horror clichés you can imagine", the only trope that I can see is the "picking long haired naked woman as creature" which is pretty common in Japanese horror movies and that mainly since Japanese are very scared of this kind of creature, like they are afraid of the "many hands" trope.
And what are you talking about „characters don't act realistically or genuinely", who are you talking about and what would be your suggestion to make?

raveninthemuddle said:


The original Snow white (1937), that is rotoscoping; The Animatrix, Kid's story, that's also rotoscoping. Of course they worked with the live action footage, but if all you have to do is just draw lines along the circumference of the objects you want to animate, I'm sorry, you are just simply outlining stuff. Rotoscoping is already invented so that less talented or experienced people can also make animation with ease, this is not a creative process but if you look at other animation that uses the same technique you can see there's also room for some kind of artistic input from the animator (the most noticeable is the boiling effect and in the Kids story it shows how powerful rotoscoping can be). Sure by definition it is "rotoscoping", but did you feel any soul or liveness put into the animation so that it's more than just a gimmick? If you don't take the liberty why would you use this technique?

Of course I'm talking about the rate of key frame per second, what else it can be? What kind of anime fan I am who don't know the different between frame rate of a video and the key frame of animation?

In chronological order:
1. Those artificial sound effects when the "Spike" is connected and screen flickering, my Stype and computer doesn't do that.
2. Premature Jump scare, you gotta have at least one right?
3. And Sachi doesn't even react to that jump scare, realistic huh?
4. The "do" sound clearly comes from Sachi's side but instead of look around herself she asks Fuumin to see if there's someone on her side.
5. Freaking modem dialing up sound effect man! Every horror about the Internet is gonna have those right?
6. The same trope you mentioned earlier, but that's the whole point of this anime so it's excusable.
7. Hey, an evil looking entitle is going to get you, REACT! Turn off the monitor or run away, tension! And no, the acting doesn't convey she is in shock therefore incapacitated to react, it's every generic dialogue and acting you can find in any generic horror movie.

The anime tries to use rotoscoping to bring realism into it, I get that, and with the budget and talent they get it's pretty decent for a short. But they could have take one step beyond ditching some of the tiring clichés and tropes if making an immersive horror anime about someone using Stype with realism is their goal. If it wants to be cheesy fine by me, but if that's the case they wouldn't have used rotoscoping in the first place.

mangalicker94 said:
so anyone found the first ep.? ^^

Orionite_ said:
Reminded of Unfriended ;l

SerB3128 said:
kind of weird. Way too short.
Is it going to be a full series or just 13 mini stories?

mangalicker94 said:
so anyone found the first ep.? ^^

Orionite_ said:
Reminded of Unfriended ;l

And then it has every horror clichés and tropes you can imagine, just like Kagewani. And what's the point of putting the audience in first person's perspective if the characters don't act realistically or genuinely?

tingy said:
Anyways, so the ghost was not really in Saki's house? o_o

mayukachan said:

i think it was in the computer

Steven15ify said:
I am really dissapointed that it's only 3 minutes since it's the only horror anime of the season. But then again it was entertaining so I will give it a pass. Can't wait to see what will happen next.

raveninthemuddle said:
Another fake rotoscoping. Just face it you'll never see real, competent rotoscoping from anime, because it's all about cost saving and efficiency.

Lockensocke said:
Sure they use the same picture for multiple frames, but that’s a process called "Limited animation" and is used even in Disney movies, where you have probably the best animation when it comes to animated media.

raveninthemuddle said:
The original Snow white (1937), that is rotoscoping; The Animatrix, Kid's story, that's also rotoscoping.

2weeaboo4u said:

Disney is actually very overrated.

2weeaboo4u said:

Ohira's cut in Kid's Story wasn't rotoscoped, at least. I doubt the rest was either. I couldn't find any source proving anything was rotoscoped, just a lot of people saying it was.