Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru Darou ka Episode 8 Discussion

sonnakotonai said:
Wow, just wow.

Bravo JC Staff, bravo...

I have really longed for some nice animation scene for whatever timeframe.
After all I am a sucker for something like this.

That even outclassed something like the best UBW scenes.
I am not particurlarly talking about the quality, just how it was pulled off.
Some scenes in UBW for example seemed to be awesome, but mostly were short and had a touch of CGI support.

But what made this episode special was this kind of handmade flavour and especially the LENGTH of the fight against the minotaurus.

Just fucking awesome, I wished more anime could pull off scenes like this.

After all we are all watching an animated visual medium, so I wished more people would appreciate efforts like that.

Confucius said:
Duo-wielding? Kirito

Bete's an ass as always

Freya is really beginning to pissed me off, this bitch needs to chill out and get lost. Bell is off-limits

It's his ability that makes him super over powered. I assume it's like having adrenaline coursing through your veins every time the ability chooses to activate itself.

2. Oh I overlooked the bonus stat gained by levels. So to maximize Bell's stats he should max all the ranks (rank SS or SSS? more?) before leveling up right? So if he ever reaches level 6, he will be far better than Aiz stat-wise?

3. I'm probably asking for spoilers at this point. If it will be explained later in the episodes please don't answer this. xDD If adventurers takes years to level up, how come Aiz is still so young yet she's already level 6?

Zefyris said:

I'll explain it then. Ranks are about the stats you gain during that level. They rise as you kill monster and depending of what happens. If you get hit a lot, your toughness rises, if you dodge a lot, agility rise, and so on.
Like it was said before, just killing monster doesn't make you level up, it will only rise you stat (as long as you don't get stuck, since your leveling in stat can get stuck anywhere).

For you to level up, you need to defeat opponent considered of a superior level (like a minautor(lvl2) for a level 1 ). Maybe several I suppose, especially if you do it in group.
For your information, a weak level 2 monster/adventurer is far stronger than a strong level 1, so the levelling rise your raw abilities by a huge margin, and usually, strong level 1 won't try to defeat a weak level 2 alone.

But let's get back to the way stats goes. If you noticed, every time a stat reach a new hundred, it changes its letter. 0-99 I 100-199 H 200-299 G ... 800-899 A 900-999 S.
The highest you rise in stats, the less new fight will influence your stat rising, until it get stucks or until... you change your level.
Usually, peoples doesn't reach S in abilities, except maybe in their main stats ( like a light fight reaching it in agility, for example) . No one even heard of a SS rank, either. The thing is, in Bell's case, his skill means that his stats grows very fast and DON'T GET STUCK (<- note here: this IS completely overpowered) so every stats reached S, except for magic.

Those stats will reset to 0 (I) with a level up, but they won't be lost. They are basically a "hidden parameter", which will influence what he can do, but will no longer be visible on the back of the adventurer.

So usually there is two cases for adventurers.
1) They rise in stats between C and A, and if they're lucky maybe a S, and then they defeat a superior monster in group, and level up (<- this is a MINORITY)
2) they rise in stats and get stuck somewhere. They don't reach enough stats to be able to defeat a level 2 even in group, and since most familia don't have level 2, they all get stuck here with stats inferior to C.

in all cases, reaching level 2 is a process that at the very last takes 1 year (record is currently one year, all others are far longer than that it seems).


So, the Loki familia are completely dumbfounded by two things when Riveria looks at his stats (btw, the " magic" line and everything below it (skill, ability, spells...) is hidden by what remains of his shirt, that's why she says "all S" even though there's a B in magic).

1) How the hell can someone rise all his stats to S without getting stuck beforehand, that's completely crazy.
2) How the hell did that guy rise his stats to S in one month even though the current record of going to level 2 was one year, and that on top of this like I said, that record holder didn't especially rise the all stats to S before leveling.
and 3) For Hestia, Riveria and someone else who could read them as well : What the hell is SS rank? the stats got over 1000 without getting stuck, never heard of that??

bjorno said:


I was thinking the same thing LOL. The fight was amazing though!

temporary said:
No cliffhangers, 5/5.

temporary said:
No cliffhangers, 5/5.

YEEART said:
Other than the annoying power ups, a pretty solid episode.

Though the lack of effort carrying that (assuming 2 handed) great sword kind of ticked me off.

Zefyris said:

Bete acts tough but he's quite a nice guy. He was actually going to comply to Lili's request to save Bell. Some of the things he did afterwards are hinting that way too. he's bas a tsundere flurry guy.

Zefyris said:
Freya is really beginning to pissed me off, this bitch needs to chill out and get lost. Bell is off-limits

Zefyris said:

If Bell was going to go for maximizing, then yes. Other adventurers cannot do that though, as rising from a rank when reaching C-A could take then years, so better move on to the next level as soon as they can.
Now about Ais, yes and no. His stats (as in, the hidden stats) would be higher, but what will make a huge difference is the skills, abilities, magic, in the status, and outside of status, that fighter's experience, and how much he trained with weapons and so on. Gaining speed and strength doesn't teach you how to wield your weapon without unnecessary movement and handling it like a weapoon master for example. Same goes for very difficult stuff to do like, for example, chanting your spell while fighting. Bell doesn't have an incantation in his spel so it's fine, but other adventurers usually needs to stop and concentrate during the incantation, so they are vulnerable. BUT some rare adventurers are able to keep the concentration for chanting long spells while avoiding and attacking just as usual. Those have logically a huge advantage over adventurers who cannot do it, and so on.
Now, levelling up from 1 to 2 isn't especially as easy to control as that, since they depend on you fighting enough with opponents of a superior level for that. So it's not like an Elder Scroll RPG were you can actually decide by one clic when you'll accept the level up.